Last Podcast On The Left - Side Stories: Father of Cheddar Goblin

Episode Date: August 4, 2021

This week, Ben 'n' Henry talk to SFX master Shane Morton about his creation Cheddar Goblin, classic horror monsters, and the allure of Godzilla.Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 License creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0

There's no place to escape to. This is the last time on the left side stories Cannibalism started Now it's time for my fucking this is my brother from another mother Dude right here this guy. I'm excited. It's been a long time. I miss Shane. It's been too long It's been too long since we've had him on the fucking show. I'm glad he's here. We're gonna talk about all his new bullshit I miss you seeing my nude body spray painting me with my fucking dick out All right, that would be when you were filming your pretty face is going to hell welcome to side stories everyone I am Ben hanging out with Henry y'all and as he mentioned today's guest. He has worked

Extremely close with Henry's body. Oh, yeah knows all the nooks. He knows all the crannies and I'm sure he has PTSD He also recently just worked on this kick-ass movie Sam and Maddie make a zombie movie if you haven't checked that out check it out Shane Morton is with us and it's just so great to have him here, dude great to be here We have a lot of stuff to cover a lot of stuff because I want to start first of all I want to thank you for cheddar gobbler The world wants to thank you for cheddar goblin what people may not know it can we even leave we can say this kind of shit Right because during it in Mandy the cheddar goblin sequence was was it directed by you or was it Casper? It was Chris Kelly directed it. Yes, sir

Casper Kelly directed the segment but you they just like let you run with cheddar goblin How did that happen? Like how did you get the script for that and how did it like how did that go down that you got to be the father of Cheddar goblin the jupato you were actually there when it happened because crit we were shooting pretty face and Chris was like What do you think about next weekend us doing this little? Horror puppet thing you could make this puppet. It's gonna throw up all over these kids. We can yeah afternoon and I was like Crit Chris are you fucking crazy like look at this workload? I have and he Chris knows I work on the weekends when we're on pretty face

Yeah, all your unbillable hours you do it because you're a fucking psychopath Yeah, because we're trying to make stuff better with that limited budget or whatever, but right he goes But it's for Panos cosmetos and I was like, okay, well, then we're doing it, you know Definitely, of course of beyond the black rainbow Why did he kick it to Casper versus he direct that sequence because he wanted it to be like From another viewpoint, right? Wow, and he and he wanted it to be like too many cooks. That's that's basically what did it shit It was like can you do something kind of like too many cooks that's weird and shouldn't fit in the movie, right?

And he didn't tell us much about the movie really He just said make this crazy thing and of course Mandy was just such an unbelievable cinematic beauty It was such an incredible movie and then this scene really stands out it pops because you're like, oh wait What is this whole new reality? It's the hinge of the whole movie. It's a crucial moment in the movie as well What did when it comes to cheddar goblin if you haven't seen the movie Mandy? You can find cheddar goblin just search it and that scene is I'm sure it's on YouTube or something Yes, but check it out. Where did you come up? You hear that you are asked to make a character that bomb It's a bunch of mac and cheese and a bunch of children. How do you start creating that character? That's the guy right there, Shane

well, originally I'm thinking it's macaroni and cheese, right? So when I'm thinking about creating something especially for panos I'm thinking it's color, right? Yeah, so what's the opposite of macaroni and cheese? It's purple so I came up with this purple stringy character It was like why is purple the opposite of mac and cheese if I may ask because I don't think I would have gotten that right Purple's the opposite of orange when you look at a color wheel You have to see what the complementary color is on the wheel, right? So okay, purple was as far on the other spectrum

Other side of the spectrum from orange as I could get so I originally started that and he was skinny and sharper and more angular and immediately They were like no, this is all like 80s ghoulies, you know think of that ghoulie Okay, so then we'll just go for that, you know, and I just put a bunch of veins and the kind of weird Warty stuff the weird kind of a I don't know. It's this gloopy style. I've got that's real 80s influence so cool. We used to call it like string cheese back in the day. Everything looks like bad pizza

Yeah, so sweet though. The cheddar goblin looks, you know, he sits in my living room So I sit there and I see him each day. Well, you know, it's just like with my stuff Even if I'm making stuff that's like evil. It's got to be kind of cute Of course and cheddar goblin fun. Maybe not cute, but something fun about the stuff my style How was it to spray the kids with the mac and cheese? That was brutal because kids didn't like it, huh? well when they I Show up and the kids are there and I was like, hey, how much do you guys like macaroni and cheese? They're like, we love macaroni and cheese. It's the best. We love it. We don't eat it any chance we get and I was like not after today

About seven hours in I was like, so how do you guys feel now? What do you think about Mac and cheese and I was expecting to be like fuck this shit But they were like, nah, we love it. You give it to us right now. We'll eat it. That's amazing It wasn't macaroni and cheese that they were getting hit with what were they getting hit with? it was macaroni and cheese mixed with lemon or Pineapple Fago and mixed with like lemon Jell-O to get the consistency Citrus and that cheese Kind of combined to make this smell that was like, why did you vomit?

Why did you sell your vomit? Why did you settle on the ICP Juggalo beverage? It was this was a low It was a no budget, you know, I Made that I sculpted that thing in like five hours and we put it on we've put it in a mold on set Kyle and Kevin are like Why the fuck are we doing this? There are 20 people that are in makeup and we've got these products kids coming in to get his feet cast I don't know if you remember to ready to get some child in there to do a cast of it. Yes, he got shrank Yeah workload is so big. Why are you doing this to us? And I was like because You never know watch this might be the biggest thing we do all year and then fucking watch it immediately like holy shit Well, I forgot about it and Chris calls me from from Sundance and he goes. Oh my god

You're not gonna believe this movie we made and I was like what movie and he's like the one with the macaroni and cheese and I was like, what are you talking about? He's like Man, it's crazy. He's like just promise me You're sitting with me when you watch this movie because you're not gonna believe that the cheddar Goblin is the linchpin to the movie and it's one of the greatest horror moments in movie history He's like in Leonard Moulton's and viewing interviewing your puppet right now Are you talking about and Just looking at it face value. It's just the cheesy 80s looking monster puppet

but in the context of that film, it's like the most Horrible Lovecraftian level of cosmic horror that this guy is going through and that is the symbol of how little you matter in the universe Is is an existential nightmare taken to the extreme turned up to 13, you know But then honestly it made me identify with the cheddar goblin because I understand how hard it is to get commercial work And it's kind of when you are a specific work. Yeah, he's gonna kill it. I have the same body as cheddar goblin I think you've gotten more work out of this than I have. Yes When you created the first cheddar goblin that was purple and kind of thin and different looking and then you get the notes How did you settle on green number one?

And then also like when you get notes like that as a as someone who is Unbelievably talented with what you do. You're also hyper independent because the one thing about Shane Right, who is that silver scream is one of this like it is a kind of a pillar of a very very independent Special effects that used to be because special effects of maybe I'm wrong Shane But it seems to be it was way more regional for a period of time where you have like the Pittsburgh scene There was an LA group, but there wherever there was a run-and-gun movies being made There seem to be at least one special effects kind of house, right? Yeah Yeah, I would think so and they're usually like part of a big house

You know what I mean? Like these are guys that would work with Stan Winston and Rick Baker And then they would get some little project, you know, like people like Gabe Bartolos who I know from basket case and all those Please movies. He was like, you know working with Baker, right? So so just maybe if someone wants to get into the arts out there in special effects How did you internalize what the director wanted you to do and then how did you translate that to this really kick-ass? strangely iconic Cheddar Goblin Well, I'm lucky in the fact that Panos Panos however and Chris Kelly and

Like you guys we are on this kind of thing where we can just say We have a huge Like repertoire of stuff to pull from so we can say things like it's kind of like ghoulies, right? Sure, but it's also got this like He's got to be kind of lovable. So there's a bit of Yoda Goblin, right? Yeah, that definitely plays as I look at it. Yeah, the big ears make it cute There's something about the big ears and make it's kind of like it's kind of like a bunny rabbit or like a cute dog It reminds me of Wendy or like, you know, it's like you look and you see the big ears and kind of oh, you can trust this thing Yeah, yeah, cuz the silhouette is basically Yoda, you know, right, right?

He's kind of huggable until the lights come on and then you're like, oh This is not Yoda. Oh, no, it's a professional comedian. Oh my god The worst thing ever to see when the lights turn on so is that usually your thought process? You take things from that have already created and you just find a new way to kind of combine them and just kind of rework the formula in some ways well Yeah, because I don't I'm not like I Guess I'm not so full of myself to believe that I'm really creating anything, you know

If that makes any sense like I believe that creative people basically have an antenna that goes up It grabs out of the same ether that everybody does. Yeah, I've got such a I'm so into like old classic movies and just The whole genre of fantasy filmmaking and everything that I'd be crazy to think that I'm actually Making anything up, you know, I'm pulling from this I'm pulling from that and Sorry guys here something there's a we have a new kitten and he's going crazy. Yeah here. They'll scratching yet That's definitely not a person bound In your home

No, there's no like teenage girls and cages down. No, no, I know that I don't hear them That's great. So but that that actually makes it a little bit less scary Knowing that it doesn't have to come out of nowhere because I think a lot of reference points all reference points because a lot of people when they're starting to work Yeah, nothing comes from nowhere It's just like with music, you know You think you've come up with a new song or a new way to play something and you realize I think there's like six Songs in the world

There's only six that you can like change around and play a different way But it's still one of those six songs. Yeah, you kind of like they're out there the building blocks But it's now up to artists like your job is you have a series of references that come from either Absorbing material or going to school or whatever and then you use that Going forward and mix and match to make the new shit. The new shit. Yeah, it's just a reorganized old shit Yeah, I mean if you're good enough Then you can put your own twist on it in a way that people will not be able to see where it all comes from and you've applied your perfect your personal

You know fingerprints all so it sort of Transcends right what it is like like how Mandy is technically just a You need to say like it's a revenge movie, right? So it is a normal revenge movie, but Panos's ability to Artistically come out from another an angle make it makes it something else like I went to go see pig the new Nick Cage movie Have you seen this movie? Uh-huh. It's John Wick It's Nick Cage basically it's John Wick, but through the Portland fine dining scene It is the most specific shit

I have ever seen in a movie where it is a missing truffle pig. Oh mixed with the obnoxious Like people showing up with it's it's fine dining. I don't know how to describe it is a nonviolent John Wick I have to see this movie. I haven't seen pig at all I mean put some truffles on the floor and the truffle pig will come I do want to ask about so we were talking about before God's ill of God's ill of econ, right? So the first movie I we're all like movie horny obviously for the quarantine I had to go see a movie in the in the theater as soon as humanly fucking possible the first one I saw was Godzilla versus Kong. I watched that last night

My cherry on that one, too, that was the first theater experience We rented a theater and like a couple dozen of us went and it was like awesome It wasn't a great movie, but it was a lot of fun We were fun to be outside of my home. Yeah, that's the bar that any movies great Yeah, I'm looking back at the row behind me at Jim Stacy, and we're like wow that you're looking back, dude He's like I can't believe it. Mechagodzill's in this movie He's pretty crazy And he also didn't know that was a reveal and accidentally spoiled it on the show and people got mad at me

Can you we call it Megazilla? Mecha megas Mechazilla Mechazilla sounds better than Mechagodzilla He's billed to be like he's supposed to fight Godzilla. I know I just don't think we need the God in there I think it can just be mechazilla You're like Godzilla is like one of the cornerstones of your whole life, right? Yeah, you'd be like I'm weird about Godzilla Like I'm so weird about it like I've gone to Tokyo for movie premieres and stuff cool Now you saw Shin Godzilla in Tokyo. Yeah, we saw Shin Godzilla like in The 40 theater with people going crazy Godzilla was everywhere. We had stated the Godzilla hotel. We're nuts about it

So really something like Godzilla v Kong, right? I understand we're in 2021 people want these people want the massive avengers style Entire city gets destroyed in an instant every single thing is computer Generated I do believe that like some digital is some of the digital fighting was really cool with Godzilla vs. Kong But it still misses some of the tangible tangible is obviously misses the tangible, but Shane, how do you make a movie? like that size With practical shit mixed with digital like like what's the way to make it all work out like what do you do? Yeah, what's the balance there because I mean the old the movie that I always referenced that I thought did a good job Was the mist yes where it's like you could tangibly see certain creatures and stuff and I love watching creatures

But yeah watching Kong vs. Godzilla. I could have gone for just one guy in a monkey suit once seriously. Yeah, well I I the Japanese are still doing it, you know, all you got to do is go over there and look at the movies that they're still They're still making stuff that has like classic tokusatsu effects now They will say that this isn't true But they did use a puppet and a full waist up 30 foot tall puppet also for shin Godzilla They added them. Yeah, they added some special effects over the top of it with digital But there are certain scenes in shin Godzilla where they were using practical effects, too

They built miniatures and they knocked them over and applied it to real buildings They knocked over some almost real side, you know real-scale buildings. Yeah, what are your thoughts on that? How do you what as far as? That strategy of using tangible real puppets and then combining the CGI Do you think that it should start with the puppet and then the CGI is just the cherry on top and the icing on the cake? Because right now it seems like the CGI is the whole dish. Yes, but some people like it I don't know if you like it that much computer graphics because I know what brought me out of it is how good video games are now Yeah, so I'm watching Kong vs. Godzilla and I'm like, why am I not just playing this game? Yes, seriously

But what are you now? That's the key word now you think it's good Go back and watch Lord of the Rings or the first Iron Man, which I'll never forget that opening scene in Lord of the Rings I was like, holy shit. This is the next thing. Yeah, I was like, I you know all the air got sucked out of the room when all those Thousands of hordes of orcs were trailing across but go back and watch it now and now it looks like a bad video game Hmm. Okay, and and the problems with that with this technology is the technology itself It's like it keeps evolving and it leaves the stuff in the past Looking like bad video games. So now you're thinking. Oh, it looks like space invaders versus, you know red dead redemption Which is what you're getting out at Godzilla versus Kong or whatever like we'll talk about this in 20 years

What we think about Godzilla versus Kong Now we've seen the new level of movies and I can guarantee you that 20 years from now People are still gonna be watching Ray Harryhausen's Jason and the Argonauts Yes, and they're not gonna be watching Godzilla versus Kong and that's so ironic about Peter Jackson obviously who did the Lord of the Rings I don't want to spread any information. Are you Quentin Tarantino? That's the deepest cut. I know I really nailed it But if you look at Dead Alive Peter Jackson's one of his earlier movies that movie is timeless. It's timeless. It's just you can't it doesn't It can't look any different than that

It also leaves them open to say I'm gonna need some more money to update these films Oh, and then what they'll do is each time we'll get a new repackaged revamped redone one of the rings like 20 years from now We'll get it with the newest technology where it sucks your dick that you go in the theater Yeah, yeah, that'll be nice or we'll be watching it on cave drawings and sticks and stones Yeah, that's the world war four will be fought with I can't Yeah, rain of fire when they realize they're telling Star Wars. Yes. Yeah, exactly I

Don't want to get too more deep until old man yelling to the cloud about practical because I get into this I Get into the electrical guy. I like practical. You bought are call me a boomer. Oh I'm Gen X, you know, but I the forgotten generation. Yeah Getting more and more every day. That's perfect. You're lucky. That's the goal But okay, you bought a new house and I'm not gonna blow up your address and shit like I don't want to dox you but yeah, you are Really investing in creating a full-on permanent haunt, right? Is that kind of the idea that this is going to be or is it? Or are you just living in this house? Is this just a house that will be a horror house?

Well, no, I showed you the house that we bought to live in. Yes That's Madeline's thing like she's been able to make it a nicer place because she lived in my weird house for ten years She's not Madeline Brumby. Yeah, Madeline Brumby who is an actress who's also in um God, what was it? No, dear god. No Frank's uncreated bikers and she's done a bunch of stuff with us, but she uh, she wants the nicer stuff, you know, she's a blue blood and So she you know, but When when coat coat would happen, you know, we lost our gigantic building out there with this

effects where you guys have done tours and stuff and And we shot good head out there and we've done a million things out there So I was like, well, what are we gonna do with all this stuff? You know, I have I mean, you're working on a horror museum You're working on a special effects museum in Atlanta and it was insane I donated two thirty foot box trucks crammed full of props to six flags who I build theme parks stuff for um, I put it took four months to figure out what I was keeping and how am I gonna do This new building so we could and the market is terrible right now

You can't buy a warehouse especially in Atlanta where there's more movies being made here than Hollywood So there's nothing available. Oh, yes. I'm having to build my own New studio, right? Is that where you are right now? No, I'm in the basement of the house of the house. We live in The house that we bought to turn into a studio. It's this is the craziest story, right because we own probably the oldest house in Atlanta and That's gonna be so much fucking dark history in that house No, actually, here's the fun part because we were gonna make up a dark history because when we found the place we were like

1840 there's nothing that old here. I got burnt down in the Civil War Well, there was a rumor that Sherman stayed the night there and that's why it didn't get burned down Oh, well, we've had all these historians come out with their, you know crazy Research stuff and they found officer union buttons and the story now is Because I got to say when we were looking at the place. I was like plantation style house Are there a bunch of people buried here? Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's like a center of evil. Yeah No, this guy was a union sympathizer and General Slocum and his troops stayed on this property And this is the story that we're getting now. So this guy was like

Making he was fighting the good fight. Holy shit. Yeah, but now you have to make it evil because you're gonna have people come So you have to have some kind of experimenting No, we've got the Civil War nurse coming out of the wall like grab your pants Bullshit stories we're gonna start telling but it's not gonna be something that's really open to the public all the time Like the old place. It'll be something we can shoot in, you know, we're building a big thing behind it But we're gonna be able to say that yeah our studios and the older, you know, a 200 year old haunted building That's really freaking cool. I mean, I gotta ask how did you even get started when it comes to now? You're gonna have your second location. Silver Scream is doing great. You're working your ass off

For people out there who want to get into the world of special effects. What do you how do you even start this? You just do it, you know, so you just started creating in high school or you just have always wanted to do it Yeah, I saw King Kong when I was three years old and ever since then I've been like doing makeup on myself and on my friends and Making little, you know, we started making little haunted houses out of refrigerator boxes in the garage and now I just kept doing it making movies and You know, what was it about King Kong and Godzilla that got you because as it can mean they're cool I love Godzilla. Yeah, but for me, I like to have like Freddy Krueger He was like, that's very feast-funny and he kills people. We were the generation that yeah It was a pinhead meant a lot to me as a little kid Jason and Freddy meant a lot to me

I think that you had the Godzilla the monster in King Kong. Yeah, the classic monsters are different and that they're not villains The villains were the 80s like slasher Things and those characters were murderers and rapists and child molesters and stuff and the stuff Freddy was not a child. We have we got correct corrected by Elijah Wood's killer He got retconned into a child molester Freddy Krueger because they they did that in the new Jackie Earl Haley movie But the original one he only killed he just killed kids. So he was a janitor. So you tell me you cannot I love Elijah Wood, but he's wrong about this All right, we're gonna have to have you and Elijah on you're gonna have to go head-to-head because I'm team Woods on this one

No, there's too much sexuality and and lecherousness in his performance. He's always like coming through the phone and licking their faces He's wanting to diddle him with his fingers. He's making those are teenagers to be fair. Yeah, I say the teenagers are nice It's not legal for them. No, it's not good. Okay. They were 16 year old teenagers. Not good I'm not now you have me defending Freddy Krueger. Yeah, you did this Shane. Yeah. Well, I mean, it's you know So you like a hero of Godzilla raping him before he's murdering, but he's like doing some diddling Freddy is a creepy kind of guy He is a creep. I'm not saying he's not creepy. I like Freddy too, right? Like doesn't seem like it the movies are the movies are fun Like I saw it opening night and came out of there. I'm not a slasher film guy. Yeah, really

I liked it because I was a teenager and there were boobs in it and I liked seeing Tom Savini's gore effects But the movies like, you know, this is a guy of my favorite movies are like their first metropolis I watched silent films. I watched performances by Lon Cheney Senior, you know what I mean? I need something more cerebral. That's funny. You're not a slasher guy I would have just assumed I guess it's the world is the world building of the older films I think that are very very inspiring especially to artists because it really does the in Freddy in those movies in the 80s slasher films It's way more kind of about momentum and the sexuality and stuff like that where the the monster movies of

The earlier period are more atmospheric. It's more of a vibe Well, also, there's this if you want to get down to like the foundation of these characters and why children Adhere so strongly to like the Frankenstein's monster and the wolf man and care in the classic characters It's because they are like kids. They move around. They don't have control over their bodies They don't have control over their emotions. So kids like relate to these things, right? Because They're not in control of themselves too all the time. So I think that like there's something very basic about why children are Attracted to the classic monsters, you know, I think it speaks to them in an eloquent way that they may not understand Like the sociological reasons why they're attracted. Well, you make

Like a lot because some of the characters are also very silent too, right? They're silent characters a lot of times and they're kind of you can kind of project on to them how you can you feel about them and You can picture yourself Kind of as the wandering for especially the Frankenstein like good because he's technically they're very sympathetic characters Monsters also Kind and this is a thing like Freddy Krueger. Is he a child molester? He's a child murderer Frankenstein's monster Is he a child molester? No, he's just read the book and then you might change your mind

He's like Michael Jackson. He was childlike of mine. He didn't know the difference. I always think about that He wouldn't just kill these children. He would destroy them in a way that would hurt the Parents and the family It's it's definitely alluded to that Frankenstein's monster is doing something more than just killing Well, I never really thought about him in a sexual way at all. I think Shane is he has fanfiction I think you perhaps you're the problem, Shane No, read the read the book you'd be surprised, you know, you know This let's not hide a lot of stuff in this old literature in these old classic

Well, that's right Frankenstein also you were the first one that showed me that bright of Frankenstein is a story about being gay as well And about like yeah, that is very very interesting What else I wanted to bring up during Godzilla v. Kong well the idea of that like just the Idea of the earth being hollow has become so mainstream They throw it in the middle of this like essentially children's movie. Yeah, it's it's we bitch about it We've been bitching about this for like almost 10 years now Henry how everybody's stealing all our fun conspiracy theories and making them lame Making them why I'm making them where like we can't talk about them at four o'clock in the morning anymore because like you sucks Right the whole queue storyline sucks. It's something there's nothing fun about there. Where's my David Ike? I missed him. I miss him

Oh, I'm on tour I missed him when he was fun and now it's not fun to talk about because now people think that we might really believe that you know It's not fun and what David Ike has to do is start infusing his soccer skills on the stage I would watch him kick a ball in the air a few times if he just set up a net that had one in a ball that looked like a reptilian Had and he just kicked it into that would be huge I'm just I feel bad for David Ike because he really thought he was gonna be Jesus, but then that time came and went and then He just had to turn into David Ike that we know now. Mm-hmm. Yeah, you know I guess a lot of these guys are always on the precipice of it and they could go either way

Yeah, they never seem to be able to handle the precipice. Well, though No, no, so why like with David Ike and with the mainstreaming of conspiracy theory And conspiracy thought which I completely agree with you guys Uh, the idiots have the conversation right now and we got to take it back. We have to take it back. We'll take it back Um, but how does special effects or Mirror these these things that are happening in real time and in real life as we now we're in the um Throws of the future which we're understanding people weren't ready for the internet. We're understanding It might be a have a massive speaking of net net negative on society

How does your job and how does your creative process? How do you? Um, reflect what you see happening in reality with your with with special effects Yeah, dude last weekend on on mushrooms and like Sina dropped it on me. He's like, you know that we've only had the iphone since 2007 I know like holy I would stop all tech at 2006. That's what I would say. But anyway, that's just me Well, we can't do that, right? No, we're done So me, you know and just like Henry's saying I'm trying to stay pure by staying away from computers and stuff I still have to use them. You know, I use them the storyboard. I use them for production design

and and whatnot, but What it's going to do is going to make you have to work harder You're going to have to work harder with with these technologies to use them in a way That you're still and they did this with godzilla versus kong, right? So people were bitching about it and saying oh a lot of the old school guys Oh, this sucks and I was like actually I had a lot of fun with it because it reminded me of these cheesy movies that I love like It's you know at the earth's core and all those dug McClure Edgar rice boroughs movies that were lit like

Psychedelic mario bava stuff and they you know, they had cave girls running around submarines That's what godzilla versus kong felt like to me. It felt like a saturday afternoon in the late 70s Take me to this theater to watch this goofy movie. Yeah And uh, it's just the digitally just better because they didn't have millie bobby brown in them Millie bobby brown was just not the she just needs to take a break But it's also deer pop her head out of a hole. I don't know what I'm being. I'm here. I am. No, I don't know But it's a hundred million dollar Version of those movies that used to cost like 50 grand apiece. Yeah. Yeah. So does it make it better?

I mean I think that i'm gonna go back and watch at the earth's core a lot more than I would go back and revisit godzilla versus kong Oh, yeah, my nephews were tearing the living room up last weekend when I showed it to them and they were like The one kid looked at me like near the end of the movie when mecha godzilla was fighting and he looked at me and he goes This is the greatest movie ever You know, man That actually makes me feel really good that a kid had that reaction to it Oh, yeah, because it was a very fun movie

But there's also there is a movement within horror movies to keep things practical I nick cage will one day be remembered as the lawn cheney of this time period I think that we're gonna be upset when he's gone. I don't think film is gonna understand what we were missing When he leaves Johnny depp is gonna get more Than cage well if you can get a shit together page is not as varied as like depp, right? Yeah, I don't think that he's gonna like he did. He's been doing some amazing things lately, you know, but they're um He does a lot of schlock, too. He's gotta pay them bills. They all do but I think Johnny depp's probably the closest thing that we have Because he's got Edward scissor hands. He's got ed wood. He's got

He's a shape ship. Oh, he really is a shape shifter work to make up before, you know, he's used that Speaking of the world's most incredible actors he's playing in his band though right now. He is the hollywood vampire Hollywood vampires From your grave But speaking of the world's greatest actors you've now been working again with matt servito He played satan your pretty face is going to hell. He's directing now, which at first not that I was scared Only just because I've seen him drink so much scotch that I was like, I didn't know what he was gonna be like I didn't know what he'd be like as a director

But now he's really crushing it and we made a short together called good head where you got the ypf team all back together Which was wonderful. We made a horror horror short But then you just got back filming in albania For a month with masservito at the helm. Oh, it was in austria. We were in austria How was it? How was it being under matt servito as a director and also being in fucking austria During this time period. I know that he told me that the crew drinks a lot of wine Oh, no, it was it was insane, you know, and you know We've you know, we've spent a lot of time with matt. We've been locked in on a production together where we're working hard

But living together for a month While working on a movie tell you then you're really seeing it, you know, you're oh, yeah People are waking up and wondering why me and matt are in our underwear at the dinner table drinking scotch at five in the morning And when we got up, we're on your next time story boarding We changed the ending of the movie. Here's the new ending No, I mean it was incredible like, you know, I brought all over all over came over to play the monster And it was it was good to have you know

Somebody like with me all the time in that world to help out too and to also see Just how fucking great it was like it was life affirming to be over there with all these like amazing people who were not like A lot of them were not movie they were not like Jaded movie people some of them. This was their first thing And they came in because they're working with this big Hollywood star. So they had they they had some preconceived notions that we had to You know Pull the curtain back and say, hey, no, you guys don't get it. We're independent movie makers like you guys

What is the key difference between shooting in Atlanta versus shooting in austria? Like, I mean, obviously, there's got to be a lot of differences, but Oh, seven different languages were being spoken on on that set. It's a goblin too for control. No troll too It was yeah, it was it was bonkers. So I carried an iPad around because you know, I was storyboarding the movie and uh They they require a lot of pre-production over there Yeah, I think And so they weren't you know, and you've heard matt say this before

Just chill the fuck out. We're making jazz here. I hate the term. We're making jazz here. What's he saying? We're making jazz here in austria. That's not jazz. It's that's polka. It's it's uh not really but but it was funny because The ad after three days of this the ad comes to me and the producer and they take me aside and they're like What the fuck is going on here? And I I had talked to him about this the first day because I was like are you guys ready to make I have a crazy time. We're making a crazy movie

It's gonna things are gonna get crazy because you guys made a horror western What servito told me is you guys are making a horror western. It's out in austria in a Was the because in austria, I guess they were obsessed with the old west the american old west So they had like so we had to size that to the point they built theme parks all over the east, you know All over that sounds fun. Did you go to any of those? No, it was an abandoned theme park Yeah, that's what they were shooting and they were living in it. That's awesome So there were all the buildings are real like all the saloons and everything were hotels on top So all the romanians stayed in the saloons and all the grips stayed in the

Indian village and stuff. It was crazy That's awesome but yeah, it was um It was really awesome, but You know, there was there was stuff where I was like, you know, I think you guys are Expecting a different Thing than what were they? I mean, what were their expectations? They thought we were making a spaghetti western which we were because we're shooting everything with giant cameras and anamorphic lenses

And it looks like a Sergio Leone western. Yeah, but we're also making The thing meets alien In a western town, right? So there's sweet. So they didn't they didn't understand. There was a horror movie There's a shape-shifting skinwalker, right? And there's an Indian curse. So when I start telling these guys Dutch the camera every time they're running up the stairs in this place and the romanian Camera guy looks at me. He goes that is not the movie. That's what we're making

I was like, oh, yes, it is. We're making a fucking horror movie You guys need to start looking at this thing as being more like evil dead Than Sergio Leone because if we don't make the movie weird because they they're looking at the Indian girl dancing and the stuff And they're like, where does this cut in? and I'm like Trust us we there there is an Indian curse going on here and we're going to interject these crazy visuals throughout because if We don't make the movie weird from the start when the fucking monster shows up in the third act People are going to be like, what the fuck is this? Yeah, what movie is happening?

So how do you how do you do that when you disagree with the genre? Like when it comes to like a crew not knowing the genre of a film that seems like it's a big deal Yeah, it seems like it would really make every single thing you do a colossal pain in the ass It kind of was but it was also kind of neat because then I got to explain it and explain the reasons why this was happening Why the shot looks this way did it did they understand? They did and he would look at you know, like the guy that was challenging me a lot He would look at me. He goes. Oh, I see It's the psychology of the film. Yeah, there we go. He's like we are not shoot because I told him

I said, there's no coverage or not. Yeah, it's not about coverage Why is the camera on the floor and I was like because now it's a rape scene and he goes Oh, I understand because now it's just about Master Vito's boots walking into this guy's boots that are torn up and you know something bad's about to happen But you don't need to see the knife Right, you just know that and it kind of looks like a beginning of a rape because there's two Boots here spread and the other boots come in and it's artsy, right? It's We thought a lot about I'm sure you did. It reminds me a little bit of uh, when they took everybody loves Raymond to Russia

It must be difficult when it comes to uh, educating people on film Especially when you have 30 days to get the goddamn thing done and you're also like, let me teach a master class really quick also Well as the thing goes and you know, Henry knows us from working with Tim and those guys at media team We would just look over and go no, it's the shot from nightmare Um nightmare on elm street 3 when the lights coming under the door and everybody goes. Okay. Yeah, that's it We need a blue light over here. We need orange light over here and the cameras on the floor But the hundred on the lens Like we have this language of cinema and horror cinema underground

Weird movies that they might not necessarily get But because I can hang with anybody with samurai cinema And maybe they knew more about french new wave than me, but I could still go no This is that thing where the faces are, you know, it's the uh, The genre cocktail shot where the faces are looking at each other and they're talking and Yeah, so you got cocktail. This is it's all these reference points that come from being an a voracious consumer and Studier of

Film like it's a film and like it is watching it and also what I like is what you talk about all the time where it's While horror is obviously the most important thing to know To how to walk the walk and talk to talk about horror. It's the other shit It's the other references that can really make films come together Like you can say like we're telling this story through the lens of a horror western And then also Shane, how do you infuse the comedy because Mandy cheddar goblin? It was I laughed out loud. Yes, of course Absolutely, but it's also grotesque. How like do you have a thought process as far as like

A uh, do you do you ever intentionally try to infuse comedy? Or is that just something that happens naturally with just the super bizarre structure of horror in general? Well, that cheddar goblin stuff. That's mostly that's on chris kelly. Like, you know, he's the funny man But like for me, I think it just comes out in my artwork because once again my influences I grew up on sit and marty croft and the adams family So that stuff is in me. It's a part of me and it's going to sneak out and in these ways What did you did you have a chance to see cycle gormin by any chance? loved it

Yeah, I would love to go on thinking I did it because yeah the production design was so gormy It was such I loved it. It was so perfect I have such like a soft spot for because I'd say our style because a pretty face too. It was just like that goopy Yeah, kind of run and gun Very funny, but also like there is something weirdly precise about it like cycle gormin like kind of made that Nailed it. It nailed it. Yeah, it did and it and cycle gormin proves It doesn't need to be totally slick to get the point across sometimes and this is like something I learned Those they've released his point

Yeah, you know, you got it. Well, here's here's and I learned it most eloquently from the great painter basal gogo So you guys are probably familiar with because he painted all the crazy covers for the famous monsters of film land magazines where there's like hard light sources and like You've seen he's done covers for rob zombie late in his life and his art is very prevalent and it inspired Generations of artists, right and basal gogos told and I told go goes I was like the reason that you're going to live on forever is because The gesture of your drawing is retained in your finished piece of your art and he looked at me and he goes

The gesture is everything So what I'm getting at is if you overwork your piece so much and you lose the soul of the art, right? So who's a better sculptor rodin? or Leonardo da Vinci or Michelangelo, right like somebody does something really tight Or something where that like like a frank risetta painting where you can tell he slashed at it while he painted it, you know And it's yes. It's got this like really Savage quality to it. You actually see where you see the sketch Yeah, the years of doing our show too. You really can't see it. It really is about the thing that

You sometimes hate about your own work Is you actually seeing yourself in your work and you want your work to look like somebody else's like you want your work to look Like oh, I want it to be tight and clean. I want it to look like this thing I want to look like a highly produced project. I wanted to look like this But it's like no the thing sometimes that you maybe don't agree with your work You look at it. Maybe it feels green or whatever That's you speaking and that's actually the most essential part sometimes is the you speaking Even though it's not maybe perfect and it's not something you don't recognize is perfect

But it is like it makes it alive and it makes it something that only you made with your hands Yeah, I you know Orson will said he said an artist without boundaries can't make good art so like maybe That's part of my my whole stick too is that I've never had like really big budgets to do stuff and it keeps me grounded in this world Where I have no choice but to retain the gesture of the idea Right, you know Well, it just seems like with that with that premise which I love that

You can't get that in CGI No, of course not if you're if you're creating a CGI character I mean, maybe someone who is very good at creating something like that can be like that's my personal touch But if it's janky, it just don't see it It bumps you out of it if it's janky So when it comes to tangible special effects, that's why psycho gorman It was laugh out loud and it was also like during the kills. It was like awesome. Like you get that Incredible satisfying feeling of like

Watching a snuff film that you know is fake fear street did good that new fear street series on netflix did really good with the practical kills Yeah, I'm really enjoying that one Madeline got angry with it and thought it was exploitative Towards teenage sexuality and it is it is strange. Yeah Well, I didn't think so because they're making 80 slasher films, which were very exploitative towards Yeah, sexual feelings, right? Like sometimes the whole movie is based on that, you know, Jason's just like Penetrating everybody with his machete. It's just that's what the thing's about. So I think that they really get it I've I've been digging fear Shane if you could work on one of the major franchises I know you don't love slasher, but let's just say you got you you're getting hired

Yeah, what's the big one do you want to work with you want to work with halloween? nightmare where you did a set for halloween too halloween too with rob Oh, you did. How was that experience? It was well, it was tough because It was a uh, it was a wines. Harvey Weinstein was there and caused a lot of trouble. Oh, Jesus Christ He made it really rough on rob who was like the whole reason I was there is because he's fucked with rob zombie, too Oh, it was what a bitch. I'm not gonna talk about this publicly But it was brutal. Like I wanted to kick the fucking guy's ass. I didn't know who he was But

Well, rob, of course is like such a sweet um He's not like rob zombie. Yeah. Yeah. Like this like sweet like artist guy. That's that's like Internalize this stuff, you know what I mean? So it I don't know. It was it was rough seeing him go through it and he was just getting screamed at the whole time Well, he was trying to make this love letter to italian euro trash movies, right? And italian spanish like paul nasci and stuff. Yeah And people that were on the show

Would look at me and go what the fuck is this all about? and I was like it's It's the you know, it's The feeling that he's going for like people are like, I'll never forget this We're shooting the scene where the pumpkin headed guys are eating at this dinner table. Yeah. Yeah, sweet I love I love halloween. I love both of zombies remix. I love. Yeah Well, I like halloween too, especially because it's one of the only halloween movies where something happens

There's like a character's character arcs. Yeah, like as much. I love the first halloween movie It's really just a glorified music video. I mean one of the characters spends the whole movie peeking out of the bushes Like something out of a russ meyers peekaboo movie I love that first halloween is but I love it but like I think that uh You know rob was trying to make an art film and they just that's not what they were wanting to do Yeah, it seems like rob in the industry. I'm totally talking on my ass here

But I know he wanted to make that hockey movie. He did and they're just seems like Whatever, I fucking hate the system so much. It's very difficult to fucking navigate it through also to keep your ego hold So you have to you have to go and oh god It's dumb to have to try to make them happy and you happy at once because then you're never happy. Yeah Yeah, I had this conversation with him after the the movie wrapped, you know, and I was just like Why are you even doing this? Like why don't you just make your own thing and just get it Get the money somehow and make your own thing and then you'll have to deal with these fucking assholes Because I was like, I don't want to work with these people again

But he did it with 31 though 31 was not kind of dropped the ball a little bit. Oh, I just can't even imagine The monster of hardy winds. They'd be upset. I like lords of sale lords of sale I think it's his best movie. Yeah, I think lords of sailing was fantastic. I'm looking forward to the monsters I think he's gonna do good. I think so too. I kill it. I can't wait to be awesome Oh, but it's Shane. Do you have a dream? Yeah dream franchise like what would you pick? What would you pitch? It's not really a franchise and I and and this is funny because this is Rob asked me to well, if you were going to do a remake, what would it be? Trick or treat. Oh

That's but it would be Okay, and now it's now it's going out over your show. So now somebody's gonna make it next week No, no, no make them make it make them make it for us. They're gonna have to but imagine trick or treat But Sammy Kerr is now not an 80s dude with big spray painted hair. Now. He's a norwegian death metal guy That's great running down the churches and the teenagers are getting you know, like You could create a whole new like horror guy With this corpse painted dude that's able to sneak through speakers and yeah, that's actually a really interesting idea It's such a difficult thing to I'm just trying to rack my brain on like new-ish horror icons hatch it

I suppose somewhat that's the closest one is hatch it in terms of like a new character like a Center of a franchise character perhaps the uh speaking of directing speaking of disgusting people in hollywood jeepers creepers that monster Yeah, but now that's still that's gone that those movies Yeah Something wrong with this movie Boys in their underwear and they're Measuring their weenies on the side of the road. There's something wrong with this director Yeah, I don't like it because I've auditioned a couple of times for things where I didn't measure my penis

But a lot of the times, you know, right because it's kind of crazy. It got paid for it Which is really weird to be in this little room. But yeah, you know what I mean like no, of course gave me the jeepers creepers I smell a pedophile. Yeah So I don't know if that's a franchise You know when it comes to when it comes to iconic characters Why is it so difficult to make a new one because you can't overthink it? It has to come I think you it has to flop out of your mouth and then it becomes iconic afterwards I think you've got to have a serious

Like extreme love for it too. That's why shin godzilla is like the and I'll probably get killed for this But it's shit to me shin godzilla is the second best godzilla movie after the first one I love upon rewatching it. We we watched in our backyard. I love shin godzilla because number one It's the maker from uh neon evingale. It's the evingale in that group, right? Which is a super important artist so intense so intense and the way that they did it was so like it's got humor It's interesting. The you actually feel stakes. You're kind of scared. It's and the uh effects are just awesome I love that fucking movie and the idea behind godzilla He's definitely fucking terrifying again, you know, like godzilla should be terrifying, you know, and I love movies like

GMK, which is was my second favorite godzilla movie until they did shin godzilla um But I think I think you know, he made it really cerebral yet managed to make it fun at the same time It was able to inject his weird politics where nerds matter and people should listen to the little guys Yes, sometimes, you know, like yeah, I'm done doing that now though save the world. He's done He doesn't want to listen to nerds anymore. No, I'm over at nerds or bullies. No Yeah, at least bullies played sports and gave the school money Yeah

Now the nerds are going out and killing people. Exactly. They're all hell yeah rogers now And I can't feel sympathy for them Shane what director if you had a dream director other than mr. Rob zombie, who would you like to work with? well, I uh It's Guillermo de Toro. Oh, that'd be cool. No, he's the one guy and like I've fallen like I love his Commentary like people that don't get pacific rim I tell them watch the movie with commentary and then tell me you don't get pacific rim

pacific rim Okay, every cool scene in the the fight scenes with godzilla versus calling were straight up stolen out of pacific rim They stole so much shit between pacific rim and evan galleon. They stole so much shit Well, I mean he stole so much shit from evan galleon And from reference points He just he knows his stuff, you know, Guillermo de Toro knows his stuff So when I watch his movies with commentary, I'm like, this is a guy that I could stay up with all night deep diving into like Why lawn chaney seniors the greatest actor who ever lived and like why the creature from a black lagoon deserves love, you know

Like all these things like I mean, he speaks to me more than any director Tim Burton was a guy that used to but I think he's kind of lost it Why do you think your Jackson was one of us too until he made uh king kong king kong, which is my most hated movie of all time Yeah, that was so rough that one with jack when you're ice skating and he looks like she's about to suck his huge Ten story penis. Yeah, that kind of yeah, he missed the whole point and I think that what happened with him And this has happened to a lot of artists. They get so involved with the technology And they've lost the soul of what a story is about and everything do you think it's possible to studio ruined it though? I mean, is it possible that Peter Jackson was like, give you this money to do this?

I realized Peter Jackson was out of his mind when I saw a return of the king and I was like, okay This is really because I thought the first two were really good and then return of the king I was like this guy's done. He's never going to make anything good again. He will do stuff good He will like use his technology to tell stories like I'm stoked for his Beatles documentary that's coming out. I Are working on my friends that are working on the hobbit show right now and they are saying that like, you know They do a lot the one thing about Peter Jackson is that he does a lot of practical You just get these massive budgets

You get these massive budgets and what do we know, right? You can't leave money on the table in any way shape or form So if you are getting a hundred million dollar budget a hundred fifty million dollar budget They want you to spend Every cent of that money and more like they want so that's what they do So they look at this they have a slush one. They're like, well, we'll put 75 of it Into the visual arts because that fucking gets because it's a what it's a the special effects if they're doing digital It's like a hundred and fifty coders that are doing that all day and and artists and shit But it's still just within all the computer, but you do lose touch

Do you think that's what happened with tim the one thing with tim Burton? I say his name like I know him but one thing with tim Burton is I I wish you would reshuffle the cast Some there is something with working with the same people over and over and over again to the point where it's like Oh, no, like I feel like maybe some of the Aliveness is that a word? I guess. Well, I feel like some of that goes away Here's the thing too when you become a blockbuster filmmaker your movies are made by committee Even a small film like halloween too. All of a sudden it's taken out of rob's hands And now harby winstein is carly calling the shots about how this movie

I'm so pissed here that he had any fucking say in that movie. No, it was it was brutal. So Now A guy like tim Burton, okay, and here's an example dumbo is one of my favorite movies of all time. I still I like I mean Henry knows how much I love disney. We've gone to disney together. Yes I've watched you weep at dumbo like I've seen it happen where it's like you guys remember like late night And like doing that when madeline would be done with the disney sing-alongs And the other room and then you put the disney movies on and it does sort of feel like you're captured by a Psychopath. Yeah, you are watching dumbo. You are crying and you're saying somebody gets it. Yeah, but we're hammered

So it's explained you can explain it. Yeah that way So you go and you watch tim Burton's dumbo And immediately I'm like holy shit He's making the elephant man. And this is a story about a guy who's coming back from the war who's missing his arm He has this weird trunk that gets in the way, which is his sleeve that's empty now Him and dumbo are gonna overcome their handicaps together. There's the fucking story, right? There's your fucking movie. There's dumbo. It's amazing No

Because now it's a disney movie and they have to have kids fly dumbo because kids fly dumbo at disney world Yeah, so now they've got this story this subplot about these kids and It's just the simplicity of what the heart of this story is and he saw that story all the way through to its end when you see the end of Dumbo, they have achieved their goals and overcome their handicaps together and there are stars There's your story But because of all the all the different um Uh, what do they call them? Like there's so many different

levels of Of your aggressive marketing especially when disney you have the marketing There's so many there's so many demographics that have to be covered in these things That it becomes so convoluted That the gesture is gone. Okay, here we go back to the thing So it's really hard to tell a simple story when you've got Uh, a table of people with all the money people and they're telling you well That's no good because coca-cola owns this part of the movie. Right. That's the happen

There's there's an art killer this watch like madeline is it's funny watching movies with madeline like she hated the avengers Which I loved She hated it because she was like this is a fucking watch commercial. It's a watch in a car it's like she kept Elbowing me every time That there was a product placement and oh my goodness that bruises it was like tough And that's why we want to thank everybody over at Gatorade for allowing us to have this refreshing conversation Uh, and it's really he's just been incredible the electrolytes of this conversation have really fulfilled me down deep

So absolutely. Thank you so much and all sport. You now defunct all sport from the 1990s the carbonated sports drink Brilliant people. This is Harry just making part and of all you while you're going. Yes. Um, but garyl Guillermo del Torra, I do what eventually I can't wait. I want to go see nightmare alley with you because Oh, man nightmare alley was one of those books that you gave me with the satanic bible and uh, like those are like my first Introductions to all of this type of thought like when you gave me the satanic witch All this kind of thing like it really is interesting to see kind of come to play And I wonder if they will when they when nightmare alley comes out If they will do any sort of nod to the how important that story is is to satanism

yeah, and how How layered it is and Guillermo del Torra is the guy to do it and yes the thing that's given me a lot of A lot of hope not just because Guillermo del Torra is yet to make a bad movie He's produced some bad movies, but his projects have always been like amazing And and he has been studying the tarot so hard For so long that I really think that you know when you read nightmare alley each chapter is a tarot card and it's all Oh, no, I had I have a workbook the last time I read it I worked it out with the tarot cards like I was sitting there like looking at the symbolism because we were gonna

We might do at some point we will do our deep dive and talking about deep into satanism for last podcast on the left But it is that book is just upon rereading. I was like there's so many fucking lessons in this damn book Yeah, and you know There's all this other stuff too that for a guy like me that loves illusion and loves magic and stage magic and all The spook show stuff He put so much into that Book of how this stuff is done He gives you the trade secrets away without giving the trade secret away

You have to search like that's how I can read nightmare alley every other year or so and get a new Get something new out of it every time because it's so Multi-layered and I think that del Torra is going to do a great job With making it that rich. I hope so. Absolutely. I was kind of sad when DiCaprio dropped out because now it's Bradley Cooper Yeah, because I was like, ah, yeah, that's your close friend Leo If only he answered that one email I sent him one email you sent him Shane Morton Thank you so much for being on the show man. This was awesome I guess my final little thing is and again, I you've sort of answered it already but for the youngsters out there listening

What's the first thing they should do if they want to get into special effects like because I again It's just so difficult to uh, like what's a thread that they could begin to pull on? Well, this is this is the thing. You've got to start at the beginning. You've got to learn how to watch Lon Chaney senior who was the guy that started all this stuff He's the you know, Lon Chaney senior started the the heavy makeup effects work Which was basically character design character performance taking to a different level through the use of You know extreme makeup, right? And then you got to study Willis O'Brien and Harry Hausen who were the guys that created the stop motion stuff

You got to go to the basics and then you've got to learn how to draw You got to draw. You've got to draw. You got to sculpt. You got to do the work. Okay, dude Check out the 1000 hour rule, right? Oh, yes It's to become the master. You've got, you know, 10 years of work. Shane. I got one for you too. Check out the wolf house The wolf house the wolf house. It's this new. It's a stop motion Animation like it's basically the new like Jan Schwenkmeyer. Oh, yeah, and it fucking I was watching it last night and it's just one of those like it's an uninterrupted hour and 15 minutes of a horrible nightmare Oh, that sounds great. You'll like it. Have you seen howl in the fog? No. Okay. So that's a Japanese

Kind of tokusatsu thing with puppets. It's very like Godzilla, but in samurai Oh, yeah, it's on the list. It's a mood piece Put it on the list. Don't make any good stuff. Oh, yeah, buddy Stuff coming out like more than ever actually. So I hate I don't want to end on a bad note No, dude, I know about this because stuff like psychogore man howl in the fog all this stuff There's more of us that are able to make it now because it's easier to make movies Indie horror film is at its peak right now. There is so much good shit. I just watched one last night that it was called I

I have to tell your heart to beat and it's a one of the most interesting Re-telling of a vampire story that I've ever seen in a long time. It is I'll text you the actual title of it It is wild. But yeah, they're still making good shit, man. All right. Well, thank you all over the world Thank you all so much for listening to this special episode with Shane Morton and you can find Shane I don't know if you want to plug twitter. He's professor mortay. It's m o r t e p r o f m o r t e silver scream right just look up silver scream effects lab and uh, we're gonna start posting pictures of all the new work and everything and

As soon as I'm able to legally post pictures of all this stuff that we've been doing like some of the biggest projects We've we've ever done with the biggest budgets. Awesome. You've been working your ass off, man I can't wait for people to see it. Absolutely. Yeah Yeah, um, what's your instagram so people can see that then that's silver scream effects lab silver Silver scream effects lab. So follow them on instagram and stay up to date with everything. Shane is doing Thank you so much for being on the show guys. Absolutely. Hail sweet satan, man And thank you all so much for listening. We hope you're doing well out there. Um, thanks for all the support We got the live dates. You can go find those on our website last podcast on the left dot com

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