Last Podcast On The Left - Side Stories: Grease Trap

Episode Date: December 20, 2018

Slip 'n' slide into this week's true crime news: a man gets caught in a greasy chute during a bungled burglary, a woman is convicted of murder 18 years after her husband goes missing, AND MORE. TRIPLE L.

There's no place to escape to. This is the last stop. On the left. Side stories! That's when the cannibalism started. Side stories. Yeah. So last night I started watching, I got about two hours into the house that Jack built and then I had to stop just because it was just the end of the evening and I just didn't, I didn't finish it. Now what is this show on HGTV? Is it sort of like a Prairie Home Companion? What's the name of that show there with the guys? What are you talking about? The show with the guys. It used to be on this old house. Fixer Upper. No, not this old house. Anyway. Bob Vila? No, Bob Vila didn't host this old house. He didn't. No. But I do feel, yes he did. Yes he did. You just made me, you just tripped me up. Alright, the house that Jack built. You're watching it. So, it's Lars von Trier and he is dissecting the mind of a serial killer. It's very interesting. It's got a lot going. But it does remind me of the guy from my lottery dream home. Really? He's kind of a party boy, huh?

I can see the guy at my lottery dream home. We've talked about this, right? About how, God, the gay crimes he must commit. Is that a bad thing to say? Well, I'm not sure if we need to give a sexual orientation to his crimes, but I could say that he definitely knows where to hide body parts within a home. Sure. When I postulate that, it's something along the lines of like the murder of Johnny Frustache. Like that kind of like an evil gay man who can kill you in a fabulous way. Or like Buffalo Bill, where it's all of the super exotic. It's like, would you fuck me? Well, that's interesting. I never really thought of Buffalo Bill's sexual orientation. I don't necessarily think that he is gay per se, but you know. Wow. I don't think so. I never really thought about that. I think he was more, he's a flamboyant guy, but you know, he was different. I'm just going to say this about, if I'm investigating Buffalo Bill and I'm like going to find him, we're looking for someone different. That's all I know. So he's like a lady gaga. A lady gaga.

Like one of those, right? Where he's just more of a monster dude and he does a lot of, he likes costumes and he likes performance. Right. And his meat dresses certainly looked a little bit different than her meat dress. This is side stories. Welcome to side stories, everyone. I am Ben Kissel. And then what's that other voice? It's Henry Zabrowski. Yeah. Yeah, he's here. And then Travis Morningstar, his voice is back. So you might hear him. I just coughed up the Musenix monster and watched him take his last breaths. Good. So my voice is back now.

All right. Very good. Good work. Get another sexual assaulter out of your body. There it is. The Musenix monster. A Musenix monster. I don't know how that got greenlit. I know that he is green, but greenlit to be a commercial series. Because I can't get any roles ever. No. No, I definitely went in for the audition for that. No, what is the audition for the cartoon bugger role?

It was legitimately, they're like, okay, Henry, great. So break down your character. You are slime. But you live inside a person's face. Now, we don't want to say give you any real directions, but just like be who you are. And so I remember just being like, you got him because you're coming to get me. And they're like, love your energy. Love it. Love it. But actually, can you bring it closer to you? Uh-huh. And then I had to be like, ah, yes, I'm the Musenix mucus man. I'm the monster. And they're like, wonderful. Honestly, commercial auditions are the single dumbest thing in human history. Of course, you do have experience with slime given what's going on around your neighborhood in LA.

So maybe that was a sign that you would have gotten that commercial, but I guess not. Obviously not. I know what you didn't get. I don't hear you on the commercials. No, there was a house around the corner from me that used to end up being sort of like, I believe to be the term is flop then for heroin users. Okay, sure. Because there was nobody in there. It had become vacated and then I had watched several times like people throw their bike over the fence and then kind of climb in and I'd call 3-1-1 several times. Really?

I am this person. You became- I'm going to start a neighborhood watch. You are doing that. You called 3-1-1 on some poor kids who were just trying to go to a flop house. I don't know why it's called a flop house if they're doing heroin. They never fall over. It's more of a lean kind of like- It is a lean house. It is a- But why- you called 3-1-1?

Yes, absolutely. I'm trying to fucking clean out the neighborhood. I am the police. Oh my God. I am the law and everyone has to understand that and this is how I introduce myself to people that are new to moving into the apartment building. Uh-huh. I grab them and say, I am the law. Zabrowski, Zabra- Zabra- Zimerman, Zimmerman. No. Mr. Zimmerman.

I'm very, I'm very fair. All right, these people were white criminals. And I watched them go over that fence and I called 3-1-1 on, on other whites. Unbelievable. And so as I went through, but the problem is that I'm thinking about Wendy because they're leaving needles out. There was stuff out there and I'm starting to realize the slime was somehow attached to the activity going on in that home. Uh-oh. And then I'd look over and like, unfortunately, it'd be the thing, I'm walking the dog 8.30 in the morning, right?

I'm not, it's not that I'm not plugged in, but I'm obviously, I'm either staring up my phone or I am a dead, dead to the world. You're a deadly dog walker is what it sounds like. No, I just, you can't be focusing every second. How long do you walk your dog every day? Maybe 15, 20 minutes? Focus when you're walking the dog. It takes 25 minutes. It takes, look, whatever, whatever.

You don't do it because- I focus. Whatever. You don't just focus. I know how you work. Uh-huh. I know how your life is. You're constantly distracted.

I'm out there. I walk the puppy and all of a sudden two seconds I look down and she's like licking at a pile of mess. And I can't have this anymore. But thankfully they just finally demolished the house. Oh my God. So if they want to go hang in an open field, they can. Yeah, buddy. But at least I can see what they're doing.

That's really smart to get away, get rid of the home where they stayed so now they can just be on the streets in need of a location to sleep. That doesn't mean, that doesn't make it more dangerous for you and your family. The way you position yourself against me is very interesting because you'll say whatever is convenient. Once I get a tactile, when I get my tactical flash, then we'll see where their piece is. All right. Well, we've been talking about slime and the first story today is about a real slime ball. This dude, now he was, thank you so much. I'm the king of segues.

This dude, he worked for the Disney Channel. He was an actor and his role. He played a grandfather. Now this is a popular tween show, which I hate that term, but tween show called Andy Mack. The name of this dude is Stoney Westmoreland, also known for his role as Henry, a.k.a. Ham Mack. Well, Ham Mack apparently was hammered it up, but not with adults. He met a 13 year old on a dating app. Now we don't know exactly what dating app.

The only thing they clarify is it was a dating app used for sex, which is every dating app. That is what it is. We have limited it down to every dating app. He met a 13 year old for sex. He's 48 years old. Obviously he plays a grandfather. I don't know how a 48 year old is a grandfather. I think that's a larger statement about the destruction of the American family, but that's a whole other story.

Babies having babies, man. Babies having babies and this guy having sex with babies, a 13 year old. So he got busted and naturally he has been kicked off his show. But this just goes to show you, Henry, we talk about this all the time. The Disney Channel. The amount of pedophiles that watch and work on the Disney Channel is got to be more than any other network on television. All I know is my niece barely watches Disney. Alright, and she's built for this. She's 12 years old.

Perfect. So she barely watches it and comes down to who's watching it. A budget. A bunch of pedophiles turn it on into these little pedophile clubs. They go and they watch it on the television and all like, and Lee you're at it and G you're at it and throw popcorn at the screen. Every single time Stoney comes back on the on the fucking the screen and it kills all their boners. I have no idea what's going on. Obviously it didn't kill his boner. This is according to the Disney Channel.

This is this is the thing too is that you look at this show. Have you seen any trailers for Andy Mack? I saw I've seen a couple because I have basic cable now so they pop up every now and again. Yeah, this thing sucks. They all suck, right? It's a for us. So the idea of absolutely, of course, but as you watch it, you're like this. The idea of not only being hard in the middle of making this thing.

Oh, yeah. Also watching it is just like, God, don't you have any taste pedophiles? The Disney Channel, of course, they're trying to rebrand to some moral authority for the country, even though Walt Disney was a neo Nazi who probably was a pedophile himself and not even a neo Nazi. He was old school Nazi. He was. He was a Nazi. He was a Nazi.

He just admired their work ethic. So I don't see that. But you know this, Henry, talking about auditions previously. If you're a producer or a director of a show that casts 10 to 12, maybe nine year olds, you have to think about them by physical appearance. You know, you look at the Disney Club. What was the name of the Mickey Mouse Club? All of those people, man, they were so sexualized.

When Brittany broke, she was only 16 and she was showing everything, not on her fault. I mean, I love Brittany, but my God, they're disgusting. Kids should be allowed to act. And I do understand at the base that you can't have a lot of uggos in there. It's television. But kids can act and think stranger things. I think that was cool. They didn't sexualize them.

That's what I'm saying. Monster Squad. I would say they didn't necessarily sexualize them. It just emphasized a lot on their dancing and movement. And now we just don't, I wouldn't even, I'm not watching it. Oh my God. Well, you take a look at one. You take a look at one.

You're put into it. We're put into a difficult situation even just bringing up because then you have to try to describe the show in a way. Why is everyone, why are these pedophiles into this show? Oh, well, you know what? The audience knows why they get it. I went to do a casting at Disney, not that recent, not that unrecently. Okay.

It was like over at Disney and it was like, it was a good group of people, but mostly it's who I'd want to see casting. It was a bunch of like normal older casting women. There was no, there was no man named Harold with dark sunglasses on in the background, like with a scale. Well, you don't know that, man. That's the thing about the entertainment industry. Very few people understand.

Once you get into it in LA or New York or maybe Chicago to some degree, once you start getting on auditions, you'll notice that all of the people who are auditioning mostly look as Henry said, middle aged women, maybe late thirties, early forties, mid forties, maybe early fifties, but the people who are paying for everything above them. Yes. That's where you get your disgusting, you know, creeps with the, with the sunglasses wearing sunglasses at night, but not because they're cool. It's because people, they don't want people to see their eyes looking at kids.

But I will say I appreciate a good child actor. They're good at it. And they're natural. Again, we're going to reference the stranger things kids. They did a really good job. Yeah. But you know what's going to happen now to them. Well, they're going to change.

They're going to, they're going to get older and then their whole lives are going to be very, very different. They're going to have to figure out. They got a season three coming out, which I think they're just going into the well for one, too many, I don't know, barrels of water. Why do you get out of a well? I don't know. I don't know.

A bunch of barrels of water, but I'm telling you, no one's going to watch season three of strangers things. I mean, the only comments on the horrible social media. You're damning these people. I have a lot of friends who work on that show. They need these. They need the show to continue. You need to stop damning it.

I'm not damning it. I'm just saying everyone's going to come out and be like, I liked him when they were young, but now they're all old, but they still look young with their weird faces. Kissle. What is the alternative? Is every show going to be like this, like this Univision show Esquela, where it's going to be me dressed as a little boy going like, CC, mommy. Is that what we're supposed to do?

We're going to go back to Shakespeare's time. Go back. Only adults can play children. I want 1940s. I want the youngest person on the screen should be 20. That's the rule. Or an infant. You can be an infant up to one year old.

I think it's worse if you're an infant. No, the infants just sit there. There are children who genuinely want to be actors, right? And there are kids that are. I mean, obviously it is a farm. You're forcing to it. You are being forced by your parents. You think you know what you want.

I don't know. You think you're an autonomous human being, but you're eight. You actually don't have a personality. Your personality is an amalgam of the things you've seen and what your parents have told you to think. So you don't know yet. So that is very difficult. And then you have to hang out with the worst people on earth, AKA actors like this West

Westmoreland character. Actors should never be in charge of anything. They are, they are empty. Actors are empty and can be flipped into anything. Look at what we're dealing with now. I should never be in charge. An actor should never be a dictator. We talked about it last episode with the revelations.

We were talking about Nero. Nero was an actor first. Yes. Dictator second. And imagine if he was Neil Patrick Harris, you know, you could see. Yes. Holy shit. But the promise is that there is no middle ground where it's like, I agree with you.

I don't think kids should be in there. But have you ever seen like a movie where like, like the movie was at happy death day? Yeah, I love that movie. Where it's like, they're all supposed to be 17, but they're being played by hot as fuck 25. No, they were supposed to be in college. They were in college. I'm just saying you look at the kids. You look at that.

They're supposed to be 17. They're obviously not. They're closer to like 28, 29. And they've got the bodies of 28 year olds, but we're sexualizing almost an opposite where it's like, you're making me look at this. What's being told to me via fiction as a child, but it's actually being played by a full body adult because children don't look like that because they have a real 17 year old on there. It would be disgusting because 17 year olds are all gross.

Yes, of course. That's why you shouldn't cast them. Anyway, this is according to the Disney. This is the Disney Channel's response. Again, the moral authority of the country now. This is what they said, given the nature of the charges and our responsibility for the welfare of employed minors, we have released him from his recurring role and he will not be returning to work on the series, which wraps production on its third season next week.

This dude also sort of ironically has had guest appearances on shows. Again, we're talking about this Westmoreland dude, the man who tried to have sex with a 13 year old. He also appeared on Scandal, Breaking Bad, Better Call Saul and Gilmore Girls. You can't even make up a funnier series of shows that this pedophile or at least accused pedophile has guest starred on. He reminds me of, what was it? It was the father.

What was it? Seventh Heaven? Oh, yes. Because it's the same cut of Jim. Who's the name of the guy on Seventh Heaven? That's right. He was nasty. Stephen Collins.

Stephen Collins. But you look at these pieces of shit and it's always the same. They got the khakis on and they got their little George Bush smile and their little squinty eyes and they have the same thing where you like look at them and you're supposed to be like, I'm just the grandfather. It just happens to be a little bit more fun than your normal grandfather. Being like, why is it like, maybe it's the opposite. Maybe all actors should be children and then you also have children playing adults.

Also, so Westmoreland, he was in a ride sharing service on his way to allegedly meet the minor. You just got to be kidding me. Yes. He took an Uber pool to try to have sex with the child. Does that mean Uber pool ride sharing? Yes. Oh my God. So what are you doing here?

What are you doing today? I'm just going to go see my girlfriend and we'll go out to the movies. The new Halloween is supposed to be pretty good. How about yourself? Well, there's 13-year-old I was talking to. Oh, like your niece or something. No, I won't come. Let me put it this way.

I'm a bit of an amateur Santa. So he's in this ride sharing app on the way to meet the minor. Investigators say he planned to bring it to his hotel room when the Salt Lake City police and the FBI child exploitation task force arrested him. So he did not get what he wanted. I'm also going to say this, not that I want to give any advice to any of these monsters, but it's like Ashley Madison. It's never a child.

I knew this dude in high school or in college, rather, who got caught stealing a bunch of, he stole like 800 panties and actually went to jail for that. They let him out. And then two years ago, he was busted soliciting sex from a quote unquote minor at a rest stop. It was a police officer and a series of cops. It's never a minor. So it's either Chris Hansen from Dateline NBC to catch a predator or a cop. We shouldn't be giving them advice.

You know what? It's the opposite. It's always real. Really go for it, guys. Really, really go for it. 15 year old talking on the Internet. Oh yeah, they definitely understand how to use a tour browser. Absolutely.

Don't worry about it. It's all genuine. I don't understand. I don't understand this. Like also the idea of taking him to a hotel room, doing all this. It's just, it's not right. It's not right. And it is.

I don't know if the word ridiculous is really suitable, but I'm going to say it's ridiculous. It is. You know, it is ridiculous anyway. It is. Yes, it is. Malest is a bad thing to do. Absolutely horrible. And I saw that firsthand taking care of a lot of foster kids who are molested.

And it is worse than you can even think about. So it was a bait. A bait. It was a bait. It was bait. Yes. So thankfully they were able to get him. Now some people, of course, this is a conversation, talk about entrapment and stuff like that.

But in this case, I'm going to say, if you don't want to get entrapment, or if you don't want to get entrapped trying to have sex with a 13 year old, nip it in the button. Do it. And then don't even worry about entrapment. I know it's not like speed traps in Los Angeles, which I will scream about my sovereign citizenship towards. This is a little bit different. Well, it does.

You are much more liberal with your sovereign citizenship when you've had a bit to drink. Yes. Yes. As many seem to be. And perhaps also on some Jimi Hendrix-like substances. Although I did not learn how to play the guitar, but I did learn a lot about the Constitution. God, can you imagine my father being a bait child like on the internet? Just like my father going like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I don't know what to do with the penis. You're going to have to show me. Yeah, I'm new to sex. Well, it's got to be someone like that. Henry's got a great story for you all speaking of, well, obviously it's another crime story, but this story we got some different opinions on. Denise Williams has recently been set up. She's been convicted guilty of the murder of her husband or the accessory to murder of

her husband, Mike Williams, and a disappearance case that kind of went nuts. According to the Tallahassee Democrat, Mike Williams, a 31 year old real estate appraiser went missing after an early morning duck hunting expedition on December 16, 2000 on Lake Seminole in Jackson County, Florida. The investigators initially speculated that Williams had drowned and been eaten by alligators, but at the insistence of his mother, who did not believe the alligator theory law enforcement eventually began investigating and deemed him a suspicious missing person. A huge break in the long cold case came 17 years later when Mike's former best friend,

Brian Winchester, who married Williams widow Denise five years after the disappearance, confessed to the killing. His remains were found in a grave about five miles away from the home where he grew up in Tallahassee and where his mother still lives. Now, it's a very interesting case. It's very sorted. It is. Basically, what we're going to find out is that this was a group of four people.

Mike Williams was married to Denise Williams. They were a high school sweetheart. They had been together and they were 16 years old. Mike Williams was a workaholic. He was making 200k a year busting his rump. And that's big. And they said 200k a year Tallahassee cash? That's fucking, that's big money.

That's big money for Tallahassee. So he's out there hustling and grinding. Maybe he's leaving something on the table when it came to his relationship. Oh, maybe. Because Daddy's always working. Yeah, well, do you want food on the table or not? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Whatever.

Okay. You know what I'm saying? Everybody's allowed to do what they want. Denise Williams and Brian Winchester during this time period began a relationship. So they had a three year long affair. Right. And at some point they had a child and Brian Winchester helped sell with the, at the admonition of Denise Williams helped sell Mike Williams a $2 million insurance policy.

Okay. And then one day Mike goes duck hunting and he never comes back. Well, who did he go, did he go duck hunting with the dude? No, he went alone. Okay. He went alone to his favorite spot. What they're saying is, is that possibly that he did not go alone, that maybe Brian met up with him. What they're going to find out is that Brian Winchester shot his buddy and buried him in a shallow grave.

Right. What they're going to go on to then say was that it looked like that maybe that he had, there was a ship that on his boat there was an accident and he fell out and he drowned and that the alligators had his body, which is why no one had found him, which they said there are 80 people have died in like Seminole. Okay. And all the other bodies have been found. So they said, well, maybe alligators took care of them.

But then they find out, well, actually alligators, this happened in December. Alligators don't feed in the winter months. So there was no way for the alligators to eat it. There's a lot of different extenuating circumstances. The fucking engine on the boat, the gas tank was full. They're like, well, if you actually fell out of this boat, then probably the engine would have kept going and then it would have run out of gas. Like a lot of different kind of idiosyncrasies when you look at it.

But the big kicker was Brian Winchester, who got married to Denise, who is a real spicy little pepper. Well, now, according to Brian... Can we just clarify the Brian Winchester? This dude was looking at some significant time. He took a plea deal with the prosecution to only get 20 years. He takes the stand, flips on Denise, and his story, I don't know if it's true or not, because of the circumstances surrounding it. It's very interesting because the reason why Brian Winchester was going to jail after all of this

was for the kidnapping of Denise Williams. Now, Denise and him, I guess, got into a fight. They'd broken up. They'd stopped after dating off all this because they got married right after he died to collect the money. She collected $1.5 million because basically long story short, they found a pair of his waders, which also didn't have the weird terror it was supposed to have on it. It didn't have all that kind of shit. There's like, why was he in his waders?

He also felt like he was a very, very safety-minded. Mike Williams was a very driven and disciplined person. And so you're not supposed to wear your waders in the boat, necessarily, because an accident like they tried to say what happened could happen. So they found this shit. They were not ripped apart by animals. So once he was declared dead, they got married, they collected the money. But now they had a falling out.

And what happened was that Brian Winchester went apeshit, held her at gunpoint after their breakup, saying she's going to tell the authorities what we did at the insistent of due. And so then he got arrested for that and then proceeded to flip on her first. Now, let me just say this. So Denise, now, how did this dude die? How did Mike Williams die? So evidently, Brian was like, I'm going to get him off of the boat. I'm going to kick him off the boat.

He's going to drown because that just happens right away. No. It's easy to drown. He busts him out of the boat. He throws him off. And Mike Williams is like, great, there's a log right here. I'm going to be fine. So he grabs onto the log.

He's holding there. And then he's holding on. And then Brian just shoots him in the head. Yes. So Brian is just like, fuck this. I can't wait a long. I can't wait around for you to get tired. I'm just going to shoot you in the head.

And now we have the situation where 18 years later, after Brian is facing significant time, significant charges, he flips on Denise. Now, I got to say this. I don't know the facts here because we just have the facts as they were written. Obviously, Denise Williams, attorney Ethan Way, he says that her reaction was stunned, that Denise was, quote, stunned, very shocked. She's very upset. He also told reporters, it's terrible.

The wrong verdict on the facts, but you have to respect what the jury does. He goes on to say, obviously, I don't think she's guilty of any of the three accounts. Ultimately, we submitted the case to the jury and the jury made a decision. Why? Why would she go out there and, you know, marry this dude and have this whole relationship. And then all of a sudden, 18 years later, just based on the words of a criminal who has a reason to flip, why would they, as a jury, think that this guy is reliable? They got the information.

They did piece together a case against her. There is a pretty intense case against her, which we'd have to go into with more research, that her story fell apart, is what happened. So she couldn't get herself out of the things he put her on, especially once they found the body, and then she collected the money. She knew what was happening. And the problem is that if you listen to his testimony, I'll listen to about 45 minutes of his testimony.

And number one, when I said before, Denise is a spicy pepper, right? What do you think about a spicy pepper, right? So jalapeno when you cut it. Oh, sure. Maybe a little cheese in there, yeah. Yeah, but you know, it's a little cheese, who knows. But also, for your analogy, I'm going to say if there's a little cheese in there, go to the doctor.

Yes. But the pepper, right? Pepper on its exterior. Pepper could be mild, just looking at it. You don't know, but sometimes you chop into that pepper and it's super fucking spicy. Sure. And it seems to be Denise was not unlike that pepper, where at first, because a part of this, part of the reason why I was interested in the story is it all takes place in Tallahassee

and all takes place around the bars I used to drink at in college. So all of this, the beginning of their torrid affair happened with the couple. So Brian Winchester was married to a woman, and they used to hang out with Denise and Mike all the time. And they started getting all horny talking, right? There was a couple saying like, we could swap in all the stuff about what kind of sex everybody appears. It's getting spicier and spicier.

He goes to tell Denise on the side, Brian being like, you know, my old bag here. She's not got enough snafter left. And Denise is like, yeah, we'll watch this. And then she stuck a chopstick up inside her own vagina and just snapped it off just to show like what she could do. I don't think that that was a testimony. You know what I mean? They started hooking up.

The two of them are hooking up. But then she had kind of extravagant shit. Like, because not only were they hooking up, but they were going to Miami Beach. Oh my. They lived in Tallahassee. It's not like they went, it's not like they're from Iowa going to Miami Beach. No, that's big money going from Miami. That's not that.

Going from Tallahassee to Miami. Oh my, okay. That's fun. Honestly, I'm going to say this. I'm going to say that what if, what if Brian took it into his own hands and said, I'm going to keep Denise for myself. I'm going to off Mike. I can have her for myself.

She's in mourning. Now all of a sudden he swoops in. We have the knight in shining armor plus the affair. So she knows obviously they're sexually compatible. He doesn't let her know that he killed the dude. They get the insurance money. They're going to live happily ever after. She's completely oblivious to all of it.

Next thing you know, he kidnaps her ass. He's looking at life imprisonment. He says, no, fuck that. I'm not going to go away that long. I'm going to say that she's the reason that I killed the dude. She's looking at more time than he is. It's a woman ever oblivious of anything. Well, never, never once.

I also think they know every single thing. She knows every single thing that he's thinking. She knows exactly every single thing that he has ever done in his life. I do feel like you know what else plays in these stories though, and you know this about Tallahassee. It plays out all over the country, Wisconsin, wherever they, the, the affair. When people in a jury hear about an affair, they are all of our mothers being like, oh, I can't.

Can you believe that? Disgusting. She had an affair. Even if she didn't kill him. Even if she didn't, the affair, can we trust her? She's guilty just, just for, just for doing that, just for catching that dick. Oh, what a disgusting term. Well, apparently, so day one of this trial, Denise Williams trial, Brian Winchester testified

how their affair snowballed into a plot to kill. Again, I don't really believe this guy. Day two, family recalls how they became suspicious. And day three, Brian Winchester's ex-wife testifies about tapped phone calls with Denise. So we don't know what's on those phone calls, I suppose. I will say, one thing I, okay, okay, where I'll give towards you and maybe towards your argument is that maybe it's not her idea necessarily at first, or it wasn't meant to be taken literally. It's that sometimes you're an inflagrente and you're in a fucking La Quinta.

I remember that La Quinta in Tallahassee and you could really get, you can get really boned up in that La Quinta, right? Oh, it's sad, yeah. You're in there, you're having these fucking, these rendezvous after, you know, like doing all this chased double dates with old stuff and you, you're holding off, holding off. And so now you're boning and it's like in the middle of it, she just got, she's got the tip in her hands, right? And she's just like, what if we fucking killed Mike?

And he's just like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever it takes. And then he goes ahead and does it. And she was like, I never meant literally kill Mike, you know what I mean, like it's like one of those. But also it's kind of maybe planted the seed. Oh, I don't know. And then he goes does it. Because after, but in that situation, you know, after they're done, uh, coitus, making

coitus, making love, after he finishes his, he doesn't remember anything. What? He's eating a coma. You go back to neutral. That's true. So that is true. I also want to say though, this, but if it happens again and again and again and eventually you start thinking like, I better kill fucking Mike if I want all this cool shit to be happening

to me, all of it. Oh my God. I mean, so you have like figured, like you have to figure out a thing. He kills Mike. But that's what I'm saying. She's involved. And I just believe that women are capable enough to plan these murders. Oh my God.

Women are. Oh yeah. Yeah. I don't mess with them. Uh, that's for damn sure. That's like any, a man can be a sociopath, there's equality and sociopathy when it comes to the sexes. Um, this is according to Cheryl Williams.

This is the, the mother of Mike. She says we got justice for Michael. Now she told that to assistant state attorney, John fucks, but no, I want to say this though, in defense again, that maybe this just kind of got a little out of hand. Mr. Fox, uh, this is what he says about the case. He says this is a career case. He said it's not every day, it's not every day in your career that you get to be involved in an unsolved homicide that is 17 years old and through team effort, making an arrest

and ultimately get a conviction on a 17 year old homicide. This dude, the ego of a prosecutor cannot be understated. No, I'm with you. Absolutely. Of course. So you're going to have so many barnacles clinging to that ship because they all want to be a part of something that's got so much media attention and it's a big juicy story. So that I totally completely understand and I agree with.

But I mean, who knows just when it comes down to it's like marriage is a mysterious thing, I guess. I guess so. I'm in bit by bit. There's just things that happen inside of a marriage that you don't know. Planting the murder of your spouse is not a typical mysterious event that occurs in most marriages. I would like to think not because I know for a fact I'm a dead man.

Honestly, all it has to take is just like, well, I don't know what happened to officer. I was practicing one of my stunts and Henry was like, yes, I will be part of your in part of your stunt play. And then all of a sudden his neck popped off, his head just popped and I would be like, well, I believe it. I believe it. He shouldn't do that. I will say I will probably have had asked for it.

Yes. All right. Well, there's that. We know this for a fact. We will follow up on that story. I don't know if that's a good sentence yet, Denise Williams, but she's looking at a life imprisonment. So I don't there's a lot to that one as a good choice, Henry.

Good find this week because there's a lot to unwind there. I like I if there's some about too, because these these big true crime stories, like as they come up, it's like knowing that you kind of have a finger on it and it happens again and again and again. Right. I don't know why that is. People love drama. Yeah, they do.

This is really about small time Florida bullshit. They are all they are all they don't know what else to do. They're super bored. So they will either fuck or plan these like like movie, but why but this is the thing and just to wrap this one up. It's always the dude who's working real hard trying to provide whatever they're not there. That's when the wife or the husband that can work both ways is like, I just need someone around a little bit more.

I'm a little bit upset that my husband or my wife is working too hard for this family. So you always get undercut by a huge loser, which is why they had to kill the guy because he didn't have any frickin money because they have a fucking job. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. That is it really does. It does burn me a bit because that motherfucker, I get it. He wasn't around.

Yeah. All right. But the dude who's around is unemployed, unemployed. They I know and they just had a baby. They just had a baby. So that was like a part of it too, where so she wants to change and she's feeling all the stuff and meanwhile not giving her half of the relationship. It's very, it's very sad.

It's horrible. All right. Well, switching gears a little bit to another dude who maybe you could call him a little bit. I don't want to say deadbeat in this case because he's kind of the victim of the story. Let's just say he has some arrested development. A middle-aged Brooklyn man. This is according to the New York Post, which is the funniest.

A middle-aged Brooklyn man told cops he paid a painful price for pledging to fraternity at the ripe old age of 45. So what happened to this dude? Well, as typical pledges, I guess, get it. He was paddled with a wooden paddle, but it wasn't like, you know, just like one or two and then they laughed and like did some sort of salty cracker or something. They hit him over 200 times after he had been getting hammered at this Bedford, Stuyvesant, Brownstone.

The pledge was for, he was pledging the fraternity Omega sci-fi, but the interesting thing about Omega sci-fi is it's not attached to any school. So I don't know what that means if it's a fraternity that has no school affiliation. This is, I feel it's very interesting because I don't know all the details of the story. They have it all come out, it seems to be, but it seems to be a unofficial frat was hanging out partying. Right? Like in a, how they call themselves a frat, they were attached to something or they believed

they were. Maybe. Yeah. They had their animal house. They obviously got shades of animal house. The name of, what was that name of? Well, Will Ferrell pledged the old man. Old school.

Old school. Um, so how does it start? So this dude. So now this guy, he kind of sees this group of young rec scallions and he probably saunters over me like back in my day, I used to drink 90 beers and then we'd drive to the club. Right. And then they're like, well, you think you can handle an old man is like, sign me up. Well, and then all of a sudden they're just grabbing them and fucking spanking the shirt

off. I think it was an open house party. His friends were like, we don't know why he would do this. He's never done anything like this before again. The name of the dude is Tori Gates. He's never done anything like this before, but after he was beat with the paddles, he was so bruised up, he checked himself into Mount Sinai hospital. And then honestly, I'm going to say, uh, I'm not sure if I agree with this movie called

the cops on the frat bros, but you know what, dude, you know what you're getting into. You want to go pledge. I'm, you know, there's a lot of people coming down on fraternities now. I was never a part of one. Uh, and it's certainly not a culture that I know much about, but you know that you're going to get hazed. You know, you're going to have to like drink too much. And then occasionally it makes national news, someone dies or something.

But you know, you got to be prepared, know that it's going to be a nightmare. And I don't know why you would go do it in the first place, but it's not going to be a pleasant experience. It's not even that is the man was not even in college and it was not out of college. Um, the frat is not a real frat. And he went straight from any circles. Hazing is not just paddling, you know what I mean, maybe at some point it is, but normally it's like, there's like a structure and there's pledge week and all stuff.

If you strip all that away, this is the, a story of a drunk man that was grabbed by a group of youths and spanked to the point where he couldn't walk anymore. Yes. Now, strangely enough, it says there's a sticker on the house that says we black men care, um, which I'm not really sure if that's accurate, given the details of this, uh, what I suppose is technically an assault, I would, of course, uh, under the guise of a hazing. This is according to one of Gates's neighbor. He's like a hazing incident.

Do you know how old he is? And then the guy goes on to say, maybe it's about nostalgia or something. He's a strong guy physically. So I'm not sure what that is all about. And of course it's not immediately clear if the victim was pledging or whether the group, um, you know, just sort of was like simply beat him up and just beat him up while he was going like, am I in now? Am I cool?

But now reps for the Omega sci fi, no, no, it's, it's Omega five was it's PSI. I think that's five. Everything is fine. Right. Si, Si, Omega sci fi. Yeah. That's a fake name because it's sci fi. Uh, they didn't return calls the, the, uh, the Brooklyn, the reps for the Brooklyn chapter

didn't record return calls. But who else? No way. I know, but who else is not returning calls is Mr. Gates himself. Perhaps he feels embarrassed or maybe he still wants the friendship and he doesn't want to ruin it. I have no idea. But if you're 45 years old and you watch the movie old school and you're like, that's

a good idea. Remember that's a movie. They say the words cut and then those actors go back to a really nice trailer and they're never actually getting hurt. People are so desperate for community though. I get it. There's so many ways, other ways to do it. I'll tell you what snitches get snitches, but spankers get stankers.

There are so many, there are so many other fine young gangs to join in bed style. I live in bed style. You could join a gang all, if you want, you know what I mean? You could look, Kissel, you could be the big white guy in the gang. I love it. Or you can do what, what, what every other young person in Brooklyn does is start a podcast. Yeah. Absolutely.

You don't have to get paddled to death. You can just, you can just start a podcast. Start a podcast. Why not? You're not allowed to just tie the sneakers together and throw them over the electrical wires card. Are you allowed to just do that? Well, that, that's an indication of if it's a drug house or perhaps there's a murder

that occurred there. They've never said the real meaning of it. It seems. Well, it's dangerous. No one knows. It's a part of the street lower, street lower with Henry Zabrowski. Interesting. Interesting.

All right. Well, that's the story of Mr. Gates. Don't do it, folks. Stay, get a family. That's all. That is a sad story in the end. Well, he is. He wanted friendship.

They beat him up. They gave him 200 paddles and now he called the police, but now he's not talking to the police because then he's like, they're going to be mad at me already. It's sad. And now I want to go to my favorite story of the week, which is the story of a poor man that was not a poor man. He technically got what he deserved. I don't know if that's true.

We'll see how this goes. He's definitely a poor man by definition. Man rescued after two days stuck in a Chinese restaurant grease event. Oh God. Now, it seems to be no one really knows what happens to the, no one really knows why that what, what, what were the series of events that led to this 29 year old who decided to climb onto the roof of the Chinese restaurant. He stripped off his bulky jacket and he slid down a greasy vent wearing only a thin t-shirt.

Now he was stuck inside this grease vent for two days. Now it seems to be he went in there to either, you know, possibilities of certain crimes, right? You could strip the piping of all the copper and you could sell it all the electrical wire. You could strip it. You can sell it. You could take things from inside. Right.

You could strip it and you could sell it. We're not really sure because Sergeant Ray Kelly, a public information officer for the Alameda County Sheriff's Office told NPR that the man had been less than truthful about his true intentions. And so it seems to be the objective seems straightforward enough. You know what I mean? He's according to the officer. He's a pretty slender guy and based on the viscosity of the walls and coupled with the

fact that he took off his clothes, he probably thought he was just going to slide down the chute but seemed like a solid plan until he got stuck in there because it wasn't a straight drop from the roof to the floor. It never is. He made about, no. He made a, about five feet down the chute and the five foot nine inch man, he hit a turn in the vent and then forced him to a semi-crouch position with his arms reaching up, immobilized over his head and he stayed in there for two days.

Oh. So, but hold on a second. Was the restaurant operating for those two days? Yes. No, no. It seemed to have been closed. Okay. Yes.

So trapped and unable to move in any direction. He was crying out for help but they believed that it was muffled by the layers of rancid oil. And so this is really this, this man named Igor Kampos heard, he's like, I keep hearing this, oh, oh, and I'm like, who can it be? And they went in there and they, they found him through the ventilation shaft. He was stuck on the other side of the thing. Kampos said, he said, he asked the questions, what's your name?

And the man said, please help me, this is a strange name, hurt me and the pictures of this man. Oh my God. Unbelievable. Just search. Covered in rancid oil. Search man rescued after two days stuck in Chinese restaurant, grease vent. And the image is straight out of, it reminds me a little bit of, oh my, the dissent.

The dissent. It reminds me of the dissent in the claustrophobia and just the overall horror of being stuck in a grease vent for two days. You also, I worked in a lot of fast food restaurants growing up. Grease is disgusting when you feel in your face, your body. So this dude, this is according to Sergeant Ray Kelly again. He said, how's he doing now? He said, he's all cleaned up and rehydrated, noting that it must have taken hours to rid

the man of the horrible smell. So I also have to say, in a strange way, he's kind of a hero for exposing this restaurant for being so unhygienic. It doesn't seem like, it seems like it's just, that's what grease traps are like, not just what a grease trap is. You know, it's supposed to go through a grease trap. You're supposed to clean it every now and again, put one of those logs in and it breaks it up.

So this is what the, what Mr. Kelly said or Sergeant Kelly, he says, we sometimes, we know sometimes suspects try to break into businesses to steal copper wire and plumbing and recycling for money. This appears to be something along those lines, but not every solution is jail. And so basically they said, we, but we decided to be a little compassionate. We figured he's been through enough and it is in the holiday spirit. In the holiday spirit, they let the man who's stuck into a restaurant or attempted to through a grease bed.

But you know what? It's Christmas. Let him off. They just saw what he went and they were like, okay, oh my God, two full days, what perfect treasure is hidden in that Chinese restaurant in order to do that Indiana Jones shit? Oh, maybe it's a holy grail or something. I don't know, but my God, I'm happy the guy's alive. And honestly, you know, just, I don't know.

I feel bad for someone who is this down and out, who is obviously this like, you know, much in financial peril while he sees a chimney and he's like, I can be, I can be a Santa Claus, like a reverse Santa Claus instead of giving I'll take, like how this guy must have been in such dire straits to think that this idea could have worked. I'm going to go out on a limb and say maybe he was on a couple of substances. Like a Red Bull or? Yeah. Yeah.

Yes. Yes. Tori. Can you imagine if he was on a hallucinogen? You go in there, but two days, right? Coming down on whatever it is that you're coming down on and stuck in there, like what that does to you, what that does to your mind, you probably can't even smell a spring roll ever again.

Oh no. Flipping out. Oh my God. You know, like hopefully it turns him vegan or something. Oh gosh. Well, anyway, so that poor guy, you know, he got lucky though too in his own right because of the holiday spirit and because of the torture that he went through to steal copper wire perhaps most likely.

I don't know what else he would steal from there if it's closed, I'm assuming they don't have a lot of money. No, I imagine that it was, yeah, I imagine that it was, it was him trying to steal the wire and trying to steal something he could sell pretty easily. And you know, with the, with the frat thing, it's like that's punishment for trying to have a community. And then this is like the opposite. It's like, this is punishment for trying to go do your own thing, trying to have a hobby.

Yes, yes. Just trying to be sad. Trying to be your own guy. Brutal story. Oh my God. Oh wow. Well, that was Henry's favorite story of the week. My favorite story of this week, it actually will go to China, not just a Chinese restaurant.

A Chinese factory worker, he survived after being skewered with 10 metal spikes. Again, the war has begun when a robot, he sent 10 metal spikes when a robot malfunctioned or did the robot sort of receive autonomy and a soul and the robot was so intelligent that it said, now once again, we've got to take on another human being. This dude is 49 years old, his name is Mr. Zhao. He was working the night shift at a porcelain factory in the Hunan province when he was struck, when he was struck by a falling robotic arm. If you get a chance to watch this, the picture of him on the operating table, it is like

metal. It's crazy. It looks like Tetsuo. Yes. He was impaled with foot long, half inch thick metal rods. He was first taken to the local hospital before he was transferred to a much larger hospital. His steel rods fixed on a steel plate pierced his right shoulder and chest and four penetrated elsewhere in his body.

During the operation, doctors found that one of the rods missed an artery by 0.1 millimeters. This dude is extremely lucky to be alive. That robot's probably being punished by the robot boss that sent him to do the murder because he didn't quite kill the guy and maybe that robot will be put out of commission because of the failed hit. But this is more indication of the war against man and machine. A part of it is that we have to educate the AIs about what it's like to be with human beings.

There's a man named Dr. Ben Gertzel, G-O-E-R-T-Z-E-L, that talks about the nature of AI and what he has been working on currently as a scientist. A part of it is understanding that AI needs to be raised much like human children amongst humans with the feedback from humans. It's part of it having growing them to be a part of our community and understand that if they want to take over, they're going to anyway. This poor man is standing in the way of progress. No, he's not standing in the way of progress.

He's trying to do his dang job, Henry, working at a porcelain factory overnight, which has got to be one of the most wanted jobs. That's absolutely fucked up. This is according to the doctor or the professor of hand micro-surgery. He says they were relatively big, of course, referring to the spikes. So there was no means of getting fitting the patient into the X-ray machine while the nails themselves could have caused an interference. Now this is not the first time this has happened.

Mr. Zhao was lucky not to suffer the same face as an American factory worker, Wanda Holbrook. The maintenance technician was killed by a rogue robot who had veered into the area she was working and crushed her head. The 57-year-old- Damn! That fucking metal dude! It's horrible, Henry! You're like- you are such- you're like- you're a Mike Flynn.

You're a mic- you're a- you're a traitor to the human race! You're even worse! He's just a traitor to the country. No, no, no, you don't understand. You don't understand. Part of it is it's the furthering of- it's the furthering of humankind. I say if we can, why not? Uh-huh.

The 57-year-old, this is Wanda Holbrook. She was just inspecting some machinery when the components were assembled, when the robot took Wanda by surprise, entering the section she was working in, and crushed her head. Whoa! Good! That is just gotta be- We got sneaky robots! We were like-

Dirt! Dirt! Dirt! Dirt! Dirt! Like, I was like- eee-hee-hee-hee-hee! No, no! No, like it's a cool movie!

It's- yes, but it's a horrible- It's a bad reality. It's horrible reality! We don't need- we don't leave sci-fi to the movies. Leave Terminator, leave all those movies in the film. Like leave them on the TV. You understand AI is gonna help us in many ways. Just in this way eventually to be honest when it comes to that sort of which is really sad a part of it is eventually

We'll make it so that no humans work in fixed factory conditions It will only be robots Yeah, which is difficult about what it will do to the human labor force Oh, yeah But then a part of it someone's gonna also have to operate these machines the idea is to make it so especially with stuff like this Where you're trying to keep these things operating 24 hours at a time I said hopefully it's gonna end up working more towards people doing specialized jobs where their jobs are to Walk work the machines and maintain the machines and and do all of the surveillance stuff of it

And then literally have a whole floor where there's no humans on it They were it is just robots doing the job They're will they never have to stop as we saw in the documentary Wally There are gonna be some good robots out there. The robots are also helping us clean up the oceans I think that's great, but this is my theory Jeff Bezos and Amazon just to talk about them for a second. They're doing what every a Girlfriend or boyfriend does when they want the relationship to end But they also don't have the courage to like be like we need to break up They're just making conditions so miserable for their workers. They're just making them

They're making them work too hard Aren't you just excited for the robots to take your job? Yes, exactly They're making it dangerous and then when they're like I got I quit because the working conditions are so bad They're like great now we can replace you slowly So that's all they're doing is making a warehouse work so miserable that the robots are gonna be Destined to take over There is a go fund me before we wrap it up here We knew this guy for a long long time. He was a he's a we still know him. We still know

He's a good friend of all of ours Jason signs. Yes, his name is Jason signs. He had a horrible accident. He's currently Paralyzed right now from the waist down. He will be able to walk again But if you could if you have a dollar honestly, whatever go to his go fund me He was going to get health insurance beginning in January January first he was supposed to get health and he just did a horrific accident and you know, so he's got a for lack of a better term a butload of Medical payments and well then he just got it. They found out he had an infection And then he's forced to stay in the ICU for three extra weeks

Which is the most expensive hotel room on the face of the fucking planet. And so now it's kind of driven down to this So yes, if you can give absolutely, we'll put that information up on the website. Absolutely and also Congratulations on getting married Mackenzie and Ethan. I hope you guys have a wonderful time in Arizona they're good friends of mine. So congrats to Ethan also Ed Larson recently engaged as well. We got another stallion in the state. Oh my goodness gracious congratulations to Ed Larson and his wonderful, wonderful girlfriend Julie and Yeah, there there it is. Who would have thought if you go back and listen to the round table of gentlemen now

We got Holden's engaged Eddie's engaged Kevin and I are Stoley being Kevin and I and Marcus God knows I think he might be who I don't want to jinx Who knows? I don't know. I don't know. He's got to live through 2019. Oh I got a bit of advice there. It's just we I like to leave you guys with a bit of advice Um and big thing I was reading about recently as a remember that whenever you see mold It's time to toss that pepper and I know that it does necessarily just applies to just peppers And how good peppers are if you're gonna use them for food, but I think it also applies to a lot of things in life Absolutely. All right everyone. Thank you all so much for listening. You can find me on Instagram at Ben kiss a one

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