Last Podcast On The Left - Side Stories: How to Leave The Mormon Church w/ Alyssa Grenfell

Episode Date: July 15, 2026

Henry & Eddie bring you a very special episode of Side Stories this week as the boys are joined by Author & Ex-Mormon Influencer Alyssa Grenfell to discuss breaking out from the clutches of Mormonism, the realities of living as an Ex-Mo, Henry slips into some traditional Mormon undies, AND MORE as we expose the forbidden secrets of Mormonism! For Live Shows, Merch, and More Visit: www.LastPodcastOnTheLeft.comKevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 Licensehttp://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Last Podcast on the Left ad-free, plus get Friday episodes a whole week early. Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus.  Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

There's no place to escape to. This is the lost podcast. On the left. Side stories? That's when the cannibalism started. Side stories. Yes. Mormon alert.

That's right. We have a full on white. Mormon alert. Mormon alert. You know, as much as we've talked about Mormons on this show, I still feel like I know nothing. But that's why, slowly but surely, we're educating you. Welcome to side stories. Sitting here with Ed Larson, who is immune to the charms of the Mormon church.

I don't like them. He can't be bought by them. It doesn't matter. Fuck soda. Seriously. He doesn't like soda. He can't have it anymore. Yeah, I'm all seltzer now.

Yeah, he doesn't, you can't even do it. I don't want your syrups. I don't want your ice cream. But we like coffee. I love coffee. And that's the thing. That's what's nice to do it in defiance of them. My name is Henry Zabrowski.

I am the opposite. of a Mormon. But today we just... Not the total opposite. You're still white. You're still white. Yeah, I'm still white, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So that's still pretty, honestly, pretty great for me. And this, today, we're doing a full guest episode because we, I met this person through Natalie, as they were doing someplace underneath. They are an expert because they have been, they were deeply involved in the Mormon church. They got themselves out of the Mormon church. She went and wrote a book. called How to Leave the Mormon Church, which is one of the, it's a great manual for helping people, because what she realized, this influencer, I'd say influencer, presenter, she has a YouTube

channel, Alyssa Grenfell, but she realized that Mormons were coming out of the church and being dropped into this modern world with no guide at all. So that's why she wrote this to help people get out of the Mormon church. We talk with her about a bunch of the secrets. She brought some Mormon underwear in here. Yeah. Yeah, I didn't know it was a thing. Man, it's kind of sexy. What do you mean it's sexy? If you get all wet.

Oh, yes, because it's white. Then you get to see it through it. We go through all of this. The audience is going to love how sexual the conversation gets. I do. I try somebody. You're going to see you. I don't want to spoil it. Yeah. She is Alyssa D. Grenfell on TikTok. That's

A-L-Y-S-A-D-G-R-E-N-F-E-L-L. That's where she prints her stuff. She's also on YouTube. That's right. How to leave the Mormon Church is way more difficult than just follow the sign that says exit. Yeah, because guess what? They cover the signs. Yeah.

They do. Can't get out. So please listen to our long-form interview of Alyssa Grenfell. You're going to enjoy this. You're fucking better. Live from your blade. Oh, we're rolling. Oh, great.

Okay. Well, we have a very special guest today. that it's like truly in the world of in the world of religions, right? There's not many, they're not a room for talkback. Right? They don't want you to do it. They don't want you to do it.

And it's fine, I find it interesting that of all the religions, besides Scientology, if you want to call it that, that has such a deep core of people willing to talk about the church, it is the Mormon people, like especially after the fact, even from within it as we were just talking. and what we have today is a truly very, very smart lady, love this book, which is how to leave the Mormon church. And it is an extremely interesting book. I love the fact that you focus on actual practical things that people need. And we'll get into all of that.

You also have a YouTube channel that is just under your name, right, Alyssa Grenfell. And we're here with author, host, Exmo, Alyssa Grenfell. Thank you for having me. And I'm mostly here with that Larcity sitting right. How are you doing? Yeah, no, I'm basically just hanging out. This is a conversation between you two and I'm just here to make sure Henry doesn't attack you. No, I'll never do that.

I'll never do that. I love more manatee. I love the more manity of it all. So if you're an ex-mo, do you know any ex-Larry or Curlies? Don't do. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Do you want to leave? You know, I feel like I'm the butt of an inside joke or something.

I don't know what that is. Oh, it's the three stooges. I'm too old. Oh, is he, was he Mormon? No, no, no. He's a, Larry Curley and Bo. You literally sandbagged the whole thing at the very fucking top. Hey, I think it's good.

I'm an escaped Catholic. Okay. You know, I was an escaped Catholic. I went to Catholic school for a while, and I got out of there just as it started getting hairy. And, you know, what are you now? What would you call yourself now? I'm an atheist. Hell yeah.

Full on? Yeah. Is it true? We're number three now, atheists in America? If you call it a group, it's getting there. Or ex-religious or secular, yeah. A lot of people don't like to claim atheism. Because they're assholes.

Very unpopular. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Most atheists are pricks. They can be. They can be, but mostly just because they're mad at fake God like we all are. Now, when you got out, you've been out for long, well, like five years now. Ten years. Fully ten years.

All right, good. How long was it from the first thought of getting out? to getting out. You know, it's really hard because you have so many thoughts about getting out, but you suppress them so hard that kind of once I was willing to admit it to myself, I feel like I kind of questioned my whole life. Sure. But I was probably, it was probably not until I was about 23 until I was like allowing myself

to be honest about it. Fuck yeah. Good for you. Do you know like what was the big thing? Like what was it was like, what was the straw that broke the camel's back? I know you've talked about how it was. obviously a long process of just being a lady in the Mormon church. Yeah.

Yeah. And is it just that? Like, what was the final? Yeah. My questioning really started with not believing in God versus not believing in the Mormon church. Yeah. So it kind of was like taking it all the way to the bottom. And then once I stopped believing in God, then it was like, well, fuck Joseph Smith.

You know, like. Of course. Yeah. Yeah. Because he's talking about God. Yeah. It doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense.

Well, I was just happened. We don't believe in Zeus. very much so. I just had a, I went down a little bit of a rabbit hole with this, this horrific fucker named Nathan Larson who killed himself. Hey, careful. I'm sorry, you know, he's same, spelled the same way too. And he

put up Joseph Smith, he wrote this manifesto, and he put up Joseph Smith as like one of the heroes of white supremacy. He said in his manifesto he was celebrating Joseph Smith by how, because of how hateful he was, and how he was going to try to

change the United States government to be more like the Mormon church. Yeah, Joseph Smith tried to run for president. Really? And he, basically the reason that the Mormons kept getting kicked out everywhere they went was because they would try to consolidate political power and because

of the child brides. The child brides in the end, that always comes to see me like and also the child brides. It kind of rises to the top, but... It doesn't know, unfortunately. I feel like it's always the very... It's all just like, huh, are trying to

fuck with the voting systems and taxes. And sometimes they have sex with the child, that's fine. But it's really just the taxes. Yeah, it's really, yeah, it's really the governmental power. Yeah, the reason they kept getting kicked out is because he kept trying

to make himself the leader of the militia and the leader of the town and the leader of the bank and like literally every position of power was unilaterally held by Joseph Smith. Sounds like a fake name. Sounds like he just made up the name. He's like,

Joe Smith. He's a grifter. He's a grifter and a grave robber. Do we see that same thing now? Like in the end of like, how different is the modern Mormon church to the old Mormon church?

I mean, there's a time, at least on the governmental level, if you go to Utah, you'll feel like it's the same because every, both the senators, all of the Congress people

and the governor are all still Mormon. So it's like still a theocracy. and a lot of the laws are still controlled by Mormon, you know, temperance basically. But, I mean, they don't allow publicly, at least the child brides anymore. Or polygamy, that they still do believe in polygamy. So how does that work? So they, so it's all the books. You get more than one of life.

I know. It sounds hard. My question is, how does it work? How is the, well, we believe in it, but we don't practice at work? So basically, they had to give it up to become part of the United States when they were just a territory. And now it's still in the scripture. So in the doctrine and covenants, it still says polygamy is a okay. It's basically like we believe in it, but because the laws of the land prohibit it, we honor and sustain the laws of the land.

which is why after they banned it in Utah, they set up colonies in Canada and Mexico to keep doing polygamy, which is where Mitt Romney is from. Oh! He seems Mexican. There's something about him. Yeah, I'm fair.

I don't know if I see it. It's his hardworking, honest. Now, as far as horrible sons of bitches go, Mitt Romney seems like he's almost fine. Is that true? Am I completely off base by thinking that? Yeah, the political spectrum of Mormon men, Mitt Romney is on the better side of that. Okay.

But how much is that their new savviness of the 2020s versus an actual, like, belief system? Like, in your mind, because the Mormon church, I think that that they're savvy. Yeah, yeah. They're actually weirdly, like. They're very adaptive. Yes. They understand. They'd rather adapt than stick to their guns, which is why, you know, polygamy, they got rid of the black ban from

Black people holding the priesthood. They get rid of stuff all the time to modernize. And then in these days, but then how do they rectify it with it? Now, like, when they talk to you guys about the old, like, the old days, like, how do they frame it? Like, do they frame, like, when they make those

big sweeping changes, like, what is it they say from the inside? Yeah, it's a doctrine called continuing revelation. Okay. That says that the current prophet can override and give new revelation versus, like, the previous prophets. So it's not that the old

prophet was wrong so much as that the new prophet has new information, basically. Ah, yes, and now that he's refining the science, Legelron Hubbard, he's refining it. So, all right, so the end of the world, how many people, 130,000 people? What is the number? That's Jehovah's Witnesses. Oh, it's Jehovah's Witnesses. Well, isn't it in Mormonism,

it is the same number. They use the number. But isn't that number supposed to be like the idea that that's the amount of Mormons that will be left to lead the end world, like the 140,000? You know, they do believe in the book of Revelation, but I didn't really grow up hearing that number ever. So, yeah, I mean, I'm sure if you were to go back

and maybe this is just like the continuing revelation of it all that I never heard this, because if I talk to a woman or anyone who was Mormon who is like 50 or like, you know, older than me, they'll give me all this random doctrine that I'm like, fuck, I never heard that. So there's a, like, I'm not going to, I can't deny that that might be a thing because it's changed so much. And they used to have a lot more like crazy end times doctrine that they would teach that they've kind of moved away from.

And that as a whole, because like someone said that when we were doing the Chad Daybell Lori Valo's like series, they said that you'd find that within every Mormon enclave, there's like a couple of crazy people. Definitely. Yeah, more than a couple. Do you have an example of that? Yeah, like I, especially when I have moved around a lot, but I used to live in Montana. And I feel like in my congregation in Montana, it was very prepary. Tons of, like, really obsessed with guns, really obsessed with food storage. Well, it's a part, isn't it a tenant of the religion to prep?

Yeah, and that's why people are so confused by Mormonism or Mormons, like meeting Mormons, because you can meet like a Botox Mormon who is like a lady with a boob job and they all want to have a pool in a boat. And then in the same ward, congregation, there's like the Prepper Mormon who they don't let their kids wear makeup or like they, you know. Yeah, you can say that inside of a Catholic church as well. Yeah, it's like what part they fixate on. But with Catholic Church, it's like all the social stuff is supposed to kind of be to the side. You only get into involved because you're forced to by all the guilt of the societal, like, pressing on you. You know, I agree, but I also want a bunker.

Of course. Yeah, bunkers should not be. Borgas should not just be for the corrupt. Yeah, no, I mean, the end of the world is coming. What can I ask? We're also going to play poker with my dogs. I don't know. You've got to teach you on them.

Be like, that's not how you bluff. That's not how you fucking bluff. Every time you get a good hand, I shoot tail away. Why does the Mormon church save all this money for the end of the world? You know, Jesus, really. really loves U.S.D. Why? Because Jesus came to America.

I guess so the Mormon church is holding on to something like $100 billion. More, yeah. It's like $300, probably. And they use it in their funny little Mormon way. They say those little terms of phrases and they said it was for a rainy day. Yeah, it's our rainy day fund.

Is that because of Noah? Is that like a something to do with Noah? But what does that, what does a rainy day mean? You know, I do in Mormonism, every religion seems to have like different interpretations of the end times. Mormonism, the belief is that Jesus will renew the earth and things are going to be really good.

But before they're really good, like shit's going to hit the fan. Tribulations. Yeah. So my guess in their mind is they're saving it for the tribulations. Like there's another prophecy that at some point the Constitution will hang by a thread. This is from Joseph Smith. And that the Mormon people will step in and save the Constitution and save God in America or whatever. What do I think I do if money isn't real anymore?

It's the end of the world. It's going to be hard. But you feel like that's why I've heard, right? So that's like a dog whistle. Right? The hanging by a thread term. Like there was some press. Somebody used it.

I forgot who it was. I think it was probably Lori, yeah, Chad Daylo and Lloyd Val. That's the type of Mormonism they were really into. Because it seems that her father, Lori Valo's father was a heavy prepper. And he said the same thing. Like apparently they started hard. hardcore when some guy in the government said hanging by a thread on television and then he said we are not we're ready to go that's the Mormon signal yeah yeah I found this there's this um

YouTuber that is like a Mormon prepper and he has this spreadsheet this Google sheets thing with like it had like 200 tabs and in each tab they're they're basically tracking all of the metrics that Mormon leaders have said are like signs of the end of the world and every time I've gone back to like so many times and there's always like you know how you can see how many editors there are there's always like unlimited editors oh yeah yeah so basically the religion's just becoming

what the people say it is yeah at least like the you know the church could very well like tamp down on this like kind of extremist sect or like branch well those are the people that give the most money well no though because unfortunately in the Mormon church like the theology

has a built in sort of franchisee like thing where if you make a strong enough claim to be your own prophet, you can spin your own church off the main Mormon body, and it's still Mormon, capital M.

Mormonism. Mormonism. Yeah. Like, I mean, Chad Debo is an example of that. Warren Jeffs. The Lafferties, Warren Jeffs, FLDS, like most of these sects there's one called the Orator. I mean, there's some that are polygamous, some that are, you know,

some that are like three people, some that are 100, like, Mormonism, because it's built on prophets, it's very easy to claim prophetic authority. Yeah, right. Because you just say it. Because it's, to me, it kind of feels like, like, joking, but like, it kind of feels like when you bluff and poker, where it's about timing. It's about, like, okay, like, what's this number from, trust me, I just watched a documentary series about. Sam Bateman. But Sam Bateman.

And it seems it's like, okay. It's like, he waited for a little bit. Yeah, wait for the power vacuum. And then you're like, I'm the prophet now. And then, like, you just have to wait properly. Yeah. And wait until people are kind of like, what do we do next? They're like, you know.

Or if the, like, the FLDS, the reason they became, like, more well known is because everybody, Wilford Woodruff is the one that said, we're not doing polygamy anymore. And then they were like, well, that's a sign he's a fallen prophet. Sure. So they wait until there's like a fallen profit moment. And then some new dude is like charismatic and just like, oh, it's me now. So the leaders just basically call it. Like, I call it.

I'm it. It does seem like it. And when they're setting up that family, like, what exactly is the benefit of being a sister wife? What is it? Besides just getting all that fucking primo dick. Jesus Christ. Your wife came in here and told you to be nice to her.

I'm just saying. Natalie came down and she said, be nice to her. I'm being extremely nice. I'm just saying we all can imagine. just getting that oh Sam Bateman's delicious tiny hands With his white leather jacket Oh god he's cool

He's so disgusting God he's so cool and he's so fast But he's got all those I mean he has like seven Bentley's It's like clearly you know he figured out something Like well you know he's taking money from them Yeah he's figured out how to manipulate people But I mean from a sister wife

perspective I do feel like if someone tells you your salvation is dependent on doing fucking anything If you believe them You'll do whatever Like, I mean, that's like the premise of cults. So I think the sister wife thing is the same where it's like they're born into it. They believe it fully and they believe that if they don't, that they're going to help.

You ever try to get someone out, like explain to them? Listen, this is all wrong. I'm out. My life's so much better now. Yeah, to Mormons, yes, but not to FLDS or like polygamous people. They don't even talk to you. Okay. I mean, that trust me documentary was so fascinating watching her slow, like having to literally deprogram them to even get them

to the point where they're even willing to acknowledge that I don't want to be raped anymore. Yeah. And I mean, especially the scene where they're in the car, the two girls trying to get Sam Bateman out of jail. And they're like, I have never been happier in my entire life. This is exactly where I want to be. And we're basically actually celebrities. I believe that I, like, they're saying, I believe that I am the most important person on the planet right now. Like, he thinks the, you know, Queen of England is going to come hang out with them. Like that shit's so funny. Well, that's a part of like, and I've said this, you're lovely, but I've said this even before about the Mormon ego. There's like almost this feeling of that because it's like he does

play on that for them, isn't it? Like, I realize that they like the feeling of the first wife feeling. They're powerful. The chosen wife feeling. Yeah. You know, because they're a part of a new cool, basically the new hip Mormon school. Yeah, like if you walk out, you know, if you walk out in a, Like, I think that's, yeah, the, like, being able to, like, rise up in a cult or in a religion is, like, a power trip because you're like, look at how excellent I am. Because I'm already in the truest religion on earth. And now I'm in high leadership in the truest religion on the, you know. Because there are people like you where you were so nervous. It made felt like this burden.

Like, need to be a perfect Mormon. Yeah. To you seem to, like, feel like this tremendous burden. And it seems it's those that think, oh, actually, this makes me closer to. God, I like this. It serves another purpose. Yeah, and I think I had probably both experiences, like both emotional experiences at different points.

Yeah. Where, like, I went on a mission. Would you go? To fucking Colorado. Okay. That's fine. That's good. My husband went to Sweden, so.

Yeah. That's cool. But don't they, isn't there, like, a thing with where you go? Isn't there, like, an insinuation kind of like, not anything? Like, they kind of tell you, like. I tell you it's special. but it's a ping pong ball out of a fucking thing. But no, it's like my buddy Don is Mormon growing up.

He definitely, but because he could speak Spanish fluently, they send him to South America. They, you submit a whole application. And if you had, like, say that I had a parent who served in a certain place, they might be like, oh, we'll send you to that same place. Or if you learn Japanese in high school, okay, we'll send you to Japan. Or often it is, like, literally just racial profiling. Like, if you are black and you are living in America, they'll send you down. Africa because you'll have an easier time converting people.

Sure. Because you look like the people. So Asian Mormons, they'll send to Asia. Even if they're like... As white American is like me. Basically still just from America, from Utah. Christianity has taken over Africa. And like it's not like it was definitely white people who did that.

Yeah, true. Dutch. And now, well, now the Chinese are turning it into a gigantic cobalt mine. They'll usually do, they'll pair someone who is of the ethnic. ethnicity of the country with a white person. Interesting. So it like gets them almost into the door, but then also introduces like this cool American religion.

If you told me you were from Colorado, I believe you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, or Utah. I mean. You have a Colorado vibe, but that's better than a Utah vibe. I'll take, it's the nose ring. It is. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Could you ski? Is that why they sent you? They're like, she'll be great on the slopes. She loves going down. No, so the reason I think I was sent to Colorado is because I disclosed mental health issues and if you disclose mental health issues you're seen almost like it's a flight risk

where they don't want to waste a ticket to Europe on you and maybe you'll be sent home early so I mean this is like most of this is like what people you know assume the word on the street you know there's no handbook that says this but they were right

yeah they definitely they nailed it yeah yeah so if I had not disclose that. Or like, another funny thing is only women are in the Temple Square mission

in Utah, because it's like a honeypot situation. So if you go walk through some Temple Square, you'll only see like very beautiful young women. I noticed that. It's like very beautiful like blonde, blue eye. None of the elders. They don't let the stinky boys go

in the name. No, because I hate the boys. The boys are gross. Yep, most people feel that way. Elers because I was walking around what backpacks on. And they just got done biking. Always. I have this idea. This happened to me the other day. They came to my door, Alyssa. It took all of my strength to not heretic

them. Because our home, as you can imagine. Our whole home is filled with devils. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just devils all over. I just wanted to be like, yes. Come inside. Excellent. Yes, here we go. Enjoy. Have a cup of coffee. Is there anything you miss? The book.

the book of Mormon I did bring one Oh nice Did you steal it from a hotel? Yeah, good I wanted to give this to you That's so sweet of you I wrote my testimony

In the front Just kidding Oh my fucking This was all an elaborate ruse I'm still Mormon Wow you got me I'm in That's the most effective sales pitch

I've ever seen Honestly but is there anything Is there anything you're like Oh fuck That I miss You know I think mostly when you leave a religion

like the Mormon church you're never going to be able to like replicate the sense of community because I'm kind of an orphan now from like I'll never be able to be as integrated into a social group as I wasn't to the Mormon like Mormon church.

I'm an atheist I think you're great. And my family hates me now so I mean you know fuck them. It probably would have anyway. So I'm maybe I miss my family. Yeah. Well, here's the thing.

If you would have stayed, they still would have hated you, but they would have been currently abusing you as well. Yep. And so, like, they would have disguised it as love. Yeah. And so you made the right choice. Very conditional love. But like when you, you know, I mean, I still miss, like, I wish I could still walk into

a room and say what I'm feeling around my family. Yeah. Not that I ever, like fully could, but I felt like I could at least more than I do now. When was the last time you talked to him? Um, like a month ago. Okay. You know, so we, it's very cordial. We don't, and, you know, I know that they hate that I'm doing all of this.

And especially, I brought the temple clothes today. Oh, no, we're good. I want to try some on. That's the most heretical thing I do. So I think that that specifically is what has made them the most frustrated. They've got to see it, though. Like, it's for, like, honestly, we're fucking curious. Sorry, the rest of us are super fucking curious.

You, don't have secret underwear then. If you don't want me to know about it, then don't have it. Just call it underwear. As soon as you say secret underwear, I'm like, what is I'm thinking about it? What was like, would you say the biggest cultural, like, hurdles you hit when you left? Like, what was the hardest part to kind of, like, that's what I loved what you did with your book. I love the fact that you helped kind of be like, here's a couple of things that help you not be as weird when you get into public. like when you get out amongst us.

I would say like Mormonism gives you so many rules that then when you leave, this is a big problem with a lot of ex-Mormons is it feels like there's no rules. So I would say like trying to adapt to, okay, I want to try drinking, but I literally have no context for this.

I haven't grown up seeing drinking in movies even. I haven't seen my parents do it. Like whether it's that or any other substances, immodesty or like you know I never wore tank top before like yeah it's like that's wild too that's immodest right like it's any any inch of skin any showing your shoulders short shorts like so I think I think like figuring out the balance between like doing what always feels very radical like drinking coffee feels very radical but the Celsius allowed no well uh so it is now because they kind of got rid of the caffeine rule but when I was a kid I couldn't have caffeine yes this

one of the big changes because Rob brought this up before the show was with the dirty sodas. Yes. And that was what Eddie was very... Eddie wanted to know what a dirty soda was. I want one. You don't think you do. Unless I can describe to him what a dirty soda is. Yeah, it sounds kind of gross, but

it's basically... And Sonic Sonic has already been doing stuff like this. So it's kind of a ripoff of Sonic, but... Are they kind of a Mormon company? So Sonic? Sonic? Yeah. I don't think Sonic is. I don't think Sonic is. I'm sorry. I know why I thought that. Swig is the

main dirty soda company but it's usually like any soda with like a creamer so they'll put like half and half into their soda or coffee creamer sounds good it's not Eddie or like they'll do like the pumps of the Italian soda pumps type stuff

like any mixing and then like lime or Italian Coke got invented dude you should try it it's so sweet it's so gross it's like vanilla ice cream sometimes in your soda kind of that's cool that's a float that's a rupeer fly yeah yeah

These are all products. I mean, it's it. I feel like it gives me a stomach egg, but I'm also not like a huge soda drinker. So I mean. It's not as bad as like a rum and coke. Well, it's not that there. I prefer a Roman Coke.

I prefer a Roman Coke too. Do you find that now like that the world seems to kind of be cracking open about Mormonism and understanding like, aren't they having a hard time keeping people in? So apparently from a recent study, I think, I've heard different stats, but I've heard 40% of people my age and younger leave. I've heard 50%. It's hard to know because, like...

They have to be hitting on a young person problem. Of course. I think they definitely are. They don't want to do anything. There's a subreddit called Mormon shrivel. Yes. That has, like, every time a church building goes up for sale, people post it on there. And, yeah, I mean, I definitely think they're shrinking.

And maybe that's why they are now changing other rules. Like, they change the rule about tattoos and piercing. Yeah. That's so you fucking weak, bitches! You're so fucking weak. Well, they stopped getting their money, dude. They stopped getting their fucking income, so they've got to bend some rules. Fucking Catholic Church doesn't give a fuck.

Yeah, Pope Leo, he's talking about anti-AAI, but he still hates gay people and he doesn't give a fuck. That's a fucking, they got, that's a cult with a spine. That's where they need to get going. But that must be, because it's really kind of all zipping out now. It's like, so this actually probably puts us into a really fun good way to start this, which is I find it interesting that your parents think that you talking about the temple garments is the most like, like, horrific thing that you do. Why? Because the temple is like the most secretive part of Mormonism. I know that probably for, you all, like, you just Google it and you'd see the things online and you'd be like, oh, that's what it is.

But like for within the religion, or like it feels like a common. cult when you start talking about the temple, it's like a very well-protected secret. Like, I didn't know anything about the temple until I went through it myself. And I would even have, you know, friends in high school because I grew up outside of Utah. They'd try to, they'd be like, watch this YouTube video. And I'd be like, I knew, I was like, no, this, that's sacred. Like, so whether it's like the secret handshakes or the apron or like the words that, you know, the secret words that you learn. Yeah, there's like certain things you have to Like a passcode.

Yeah. And there's like a, you, like, doesn't somebody stick, like, their hand through the curtain? Yes. And then you go through the whole thing. And you did the whole thing, right? Yes. It must be the most boring secret handshake of all time. Unfortunately, yeah.

I wish it was like some, like, some, like. Can you tell me what it is? Which, well, which hand, there are four handshakes. What's the, what's the first handshake? So the first handshake. Yeah, give it, give it, give it. Okay, the first handshake is you put, you both put your thumb on, like, the, yeah, right there. So, like, right on the knuckle.

Okay. Okay. And then the second one is the valley of the knuckle. Valley of the knuckle, which is what I normally call that the vagina of the knuckle. I continue. I'm just saying. And then the next one, you would go like this. And I would do that to you.

Well, okay, then you'll pinch the hand. Well, that's, that's, we do, me and Julie, we do that to each other. We squeeze this little meat right here. It feels good. It is really nice. Where do all that shit fucking, I know that everything was stolen from masonry and all that kind of stuff. Do they... But we didn't... Oh, we didn't do the most fun hands.

No, please, please. The fourth one, you do that with your pinkies and then do this and then like that. Oh, like that? You know? No, no. Yeah, like that. This one's actually kind of cool. That's the patriarchal grip. I feel like, you know, we're going to start doing that. Yeah, I want to do that. Yeah, I want to do that with you. Go ahead. All right, so we're just

in here, and then you put this here, and there we go. That's awesome. That feels like fun. You're getting in. Yeah. Actually, it makes me feel strong. I do feel masculine. It feels gender edifying. When we do that, though, like, what do they tell you that is? So it's in the temple, they say it's the signs and tokens that you will present to the angels who stand as sentinels in the celestial kingdom.

Got it. The highest level of heaven. Which is interesting because it's very similar to what the Buddhists do with the bardo, with this idea of like physicalizing this idea of you have to, there are certain steps you're going to have to go through in order to get through. And it's very like one to one. It's not allegorical. It is the thing you're going to meet an angel. So that's what they're saying, right? When you die, this is going to be the same setup, but it's going to be in heaven.

Yes. And there's also, so there's the handshakes and then there's the words you have to know. So I like got a new, it's called a new name, which will have religions. I wish there was some Latin. That would be kind of fun. Is it just made up names or is it actual made up words? So it's names from the Bible, which is. Which is so funny because they're supposed to be from the Bible, but there's like way more men in the Bible than women.

Yeah. So, um, men. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, so, uh, like the men's names are all things like Adam or Michael, like these like, you know, awesome, like the very main characters of the Bible and the women will be like abish. like estherment it's all bad names

Grimlock You know Grimlock And when you went through it Did you feel anything? Mostly afraid Because It gets built up so much in your mind As like literally the most

Important thing that will ever happen to you You're endowed with power on high And after you go through the ceremony And you get past the angels That's like the ceremony That is basically you're pre-entrance ceremony to becoming a god. Fascinating.

And then what do you do after that? You go get hamburgers and stuff? Do you go do all this? And you say like, okay, you just became a god. Let's go to McDonald's. It's more like a god in utero. Oh, got it, got it. And then you just go off and live a life.

Yeah, I mean, then you are supposed to keep your covenants. So you make all these promises in the temple, your covenants. And then the rest of your life is kind of the test to prove you can keep the temple covenants. And you used to have to promise to kill yourself. if you, yeah, that's, I mean, I didn't have to promise that to kill myself. See, you got to.

Yeah, and that's where. Which is why I can talk about. That's what we got to the fucking asses in a fucking sling. God, you're fucking, got you, God. I got you, fucking God. Man, I can't believe there's levels to heaven. Go fuck yourself. I know.

You're saying if I don't, if I die poor, you probably, you know, is it based on money? It's not, no. It's not, no. Platinum, diamond. It's not socioeconomic, yeah, it's not based on

like your net worth at the time of death. But they do like a rich Mormon. They love a rich Mormon. Yeah. And they are always the ones who get, like,

promoted into the higher levels of leadership. But, yeah, we would go to the Telestial Kingdom because you guys are atheists. Yes. Chris Satanist, even worse.

Okay. Yeah, well, so there's... Change me! Trying to fix me! So even Satanists would still go to the same level. Unfortunately, I wish there was a better, cooler level for you for being a Satanist. No, I like, ah! Honestly, it's behel in and of itself.

Don't bring me to Mormon heaven. I don't want to go. Salt Lake City was nice. Salt Lake City's fine. Well, Salt Lake 2 is so weird because you have the church H.Q. But that's also like the most secular city in Utah. So there's like a huge counterculture where you can go. There's like this barbershop where they have.

the temple symbols on the barbershop is like the logo which is also like very heretical but like there's a lot of like temple middle fingers around or like everywhere a bar called water witch which is like what jose smith was so sLC has got the single of all of the places i've been to one of the most intense alt scenes i have oh yeah our band base is hilarious out that's because the ex-mormon thing because like you know it's like the pendulum you kind of become like more, you're like, let me, let me go the opposite direction. I'm going to do all the drugs, we need all the tattoos, I'm going to be a Satanist, and fuck all of this.

It's so much fun. You guys are great. Live from your blaze. Okay, so we're here. You have brought some temple garments. Yes. I'd love to at least look at them. Okay. Because the only time I've ever seen him is in, I'm going to be uncouth here, okay? There's a series of documentary films on the internet.

There's a series of documentary films on the internet called Mormon Girl. with a Z. Yes, I'm familiar. Now, that is the only way I've seen these before. So please, let's unsex these for me. Impossible. Yeah, I'm sorry. Yeah, because that's the thing, is that they seem kind of like, like, they are very lacy.

Okay. Okay, so I have a lot here. Yeah, how often you wear these? It's like a Mormon burqa. Mostly just, okay, so here's the, I have here the underwear and the temple robes. Kind of separate things. Okay. This is the underwear.

All right. So the underwear, for those of you don't know, they're not watching this, I will describe it. I have one pair of boxer briefs. They're like this. It's a long-legged boxer brief. I like a long-legged boxer brief. I don't. They ride up.

They do. Well, yeah. Sometimes it's like nice because you don't have the thigh chafing. I guess it's true. Now, does that go on with no underwear with that on? Correct. So that's first layer. So this is your bottom underwear.

It is a little loose. As a man. Men and women. Oh, so women also have the same. Yes. You don't have a little panty ones. These are women's underwear. Oh, okay.

So men and women wear the same underwear. Basically. So women aren't wearing underwear. They are. They're wearing this. They're as underwear. Yeah, I guess, yes. They're not wearing panties.

It's almost like a spanks thing. Like, you know. Oh, nice. But also, so then they also have the symbols. So if you see they have like that little stitch there. Yes. That's part of the temple ceremony. Oh, got it.

Okay. So, and then they come in different like fabrics, too. So, but they're always white. Yes. They're always white. Now, got to hit that edge. I'll put it on the clowns.

What? Hatt. My question is, is what does one do with, I'm going to say the Mormon men, from what I've seen, I'm just going to make a call. I think they're a skidmarked group of men. I think that there was a group of men. It's a lot of fast food. I feel like if there was a group of men that would leave skid marks, it would be the Mormon men.

How would get any stains out? I'm going to say the Baptists are worse. Hmm. Can you speak to you? experience? You know, I can't speak to the experience of if Mormon men generally get skid marks. Because it has to be a thing. That definitely, side stories, L-B-O-T-L and Gmail.com.

That has to be a fucking thing. I'm afraid we're going to have to get a new Mormon expert. Oh, yeah. Yeah, you might need a dude for that one. No way. He's wiping right. Yeah. I mean, I can't speak to that.

I can't speak to being a sister wife. I'm not being very well. I love it. And so what else? So they got the met. So this is the top. So you wear this every day. Every day and night.

Under your clothes. Under your clothes. When you wear these as well, like do you have to, how many pairs of these do you have? And like same as normal underwear. Got it. Yeah. So you change it every day. So it's not like you can only have one set.

No, it's not disgusting. No, that would be hilarious. I just thought it was like one set. And then you should wear that forever until it falls off like it's a hell. angels' leathers. They're clean people. Do you want to try to put one of them on? Yes, of course.

It might be a little small. I'm going to step out. I'm going to come right back. Please banter amongst themselves. Actually, I do have a question about about what's going on in the morning community right now. The head dude, the old guy, he just died.

Yes. Nelson. Nelson. Prophet, President Nelson. President Nelson. So who replaced him? Do you know? Oaks.

Yeah. President Oaks. So what's his deal? He's a lawyer. or he is a lawyer by trade. So that's why John Dillon is getting sued, in my opinion, because basically he's like taking over, you know, the prophet basically gets to take over the reins for the church.

So I think Nelson was a little softer. Okay. Still not that. But like... Physically, too. Yeah, they're all so old. Yeah, they're all so old, too. Oh, wow. This is very sexy.

This is great. But I honestly think that... God, I can see your hair through it. That is crazy. Do you want the bonus? Well, yeah, give me... I'll put the bottoms. Maybe the bottoms they're going to have to stay with me.

I'll put him up my underwear. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Don't put a, don't make them your own. Yeah, go for it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We were going to, I see through this. He's going to come in with his jacket. Over your pants.

Over your pants. Yes. I don't want to, yes. She doesn't need to see his penis. Yeah, no. This is like, come on. Yeah, I usually just put them on over my clothes, but he's going, he's going hard.

So no bras in the Mormon community. You can wear, you still wear a bra, but like, you're supposed to wear, um, basically under the garment. Okay. Or is it over the garment? Over the garment. Oh my God. So the garments are as close to your skin as possible. Wow.

See, like, to be honest, it is nice. It's very form-fitting. I do feel like with a lot of it's supposed to be. Yeah, they are women's on the way. Are they supposed to be loose? Are these yours? Yeah, so those are, well, no, those are a new, it's a new pair. Oh, okay.

Yeah, my. So I can really blow through these. Yeah, you're welcome to. I mean, they're not, yeah, those are like fresh out of the back. Now, how do you order them? Um, you can't. And now, since I took my name off the rolls, I can't. But my, yeah, you have to have the special recommend.

Oh, wow. So this is a collector's item. It really is. People go, well, because of the sex thing, the girl's gone wild. I do think people will, like, try to buy them online because it's like a kink. Wow. What do you mean? Yeah.

I, you know what, but this is kind of, it's form fitting. I feel like that I could A lot of the Mormon guys could use a little bit more support and I think that this is kind of nice for them This is actually kind of comfortable They're really nice They're very soft

Yeah, yeah And what is that one? Okay, so basically as part of the temple ceremony You would first receive your underwear and your new name So you get it that day You get it that day So it's all happening to you at once

Is that when you turn eight? No, that's your baptism. That's the baptism So usually endowment is after 18. Got it. It's like 18 to 25. Because you have to really choose. Yeah.

You have to opt in. Well, yeah. Basically, you get interviewed and you have to like pass all their questions and stuff to get the temple recommend. Yes. And you have to do that for baptism. You get an interview.

And then you have a separate interview for the temple. And then you have an interview to get married in the church. So it's like, yeah, constant. So what is this thing? So you get the underwear. So once you get the underwear, that's called the washing and anointing ceremony.

You get the. new underwear and the new name and then you go into the endowment which is like the main ceremony I don't you can wear this dress if you want I don't know is that one yours too is that one also yours this one is for real my dress so they put that on you

and then that's how you walk through I bet this would fit you because see the whole thing what I had to get when I got my confirmation I had to go to the husky section yeah oh yeah yeah I love I'm not going to fit this No. No, no, I will destroy this. Well, maybe...

Oh, no, you're a tiny woman. Are you sure? Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's very... It's kind of big on me, but... I'm pretty thick right now. You know, on curroutine, I work out. I think if Henry put it on, it would explode. Should I put it on?

Yeah, sure. We can have... Man, I just feel like I look good in this. Yeah. I can see... Honestly, gold chain. I feel like this is like borderline, like, Italian man on vacation. Get the chains out.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Put your, oh, my Lord. Get your Satan chains out. Satan chained out. This is like really nice. I miss the 1920s. You're welcome to have it. This is like a sleepover.

I'm going to tell you, I don't know if you want a back. I have a lot of backups. Okay, so. So is this going out or is this sleeping? This is for just the endowment ceremony. So this is just to do. So that's day. Alyssa is wearing a beautiful,

lace dress with it's got some mother of pearl beads on it and then she's like, oh, you're dressing like a bride. It's kind of, but you would do this all the time in the temple. Well, I love the over the shoulder lace, very Greek.

Yes, this is weird. Very like Aristotlian. Like, that's a thing, right? It feels very Greek. It's almost like, yeah. I mean, it's kind of stolen. It's kind of stolen from masonry. It's also. With Joseph Smith's little spin.

Oh, my God. They have a leaf thing over the crotch? Yeah, that's just like you're in the... Adam and Eve? Yeah. That's crazy. Just make sure that nobody sees anything. Do you all believe in Adam and Eve?

Yes. Oh, okay. Adam and Eve were the first Mormons. Oh, they were? Yeah, the very first Mormons. So Jesus came to Salt Lake City. No. No?

He came to New York. Well, actually, no. So, um... You look more Irish than Mormon. You look like my babu. You look like, it kind of looks... You called your grandma babu too? No, but you're right.

But you look like a Russian like bridewoman. Wow. Now you're a ghost. This is frightening. Now I feel like I'm in the haunted mansion. You're just so frightening. Why do they do this?

Why do they do this to you? You have to do this to become a god in the afterlife. But it's just fabric. How much is this? So this will get up, is probably like 100 bucks. Probably more now. It was 100 bucks like 15 years ago.

But they don't give it to you for free. No. So you got to buy it and then you show up with your own stuff. And same with the underwear. So you buy your own shit. You show up to your endowment and then they put the shit you just bought on your body. Basically, yeah.

Or you like your mom would help you. And throughout the ceremony you add more things. So like you start with just the white dress and then as the ceremony progressed, well you start with the white dress and the underwear. And then as the ceremony progresses, you start adding these little pieces on. Wow.

Do they all have different meanings, the pieces? So this is supposed to be, represent Adam and Eve. So right about that. Yeah, yeah, the leaf. It's like it's a green leaf apron. Because you learn the story of Adam and Eve leaving the Garden of Eden, which is in Missouri, which is also hilarious. So, the idea that anybody would not want to leave Missouri.

I've always wanted to go to Branson. It's weird. If Branson's the Garden of Eden, that is really. I got around and saw you forgot that you were wearing. I was like, a thought I saw a ghost. Yeah. Oh my God, it's the nun. Who is this?

Yeah, I feel like, and then during certain parts of the ceremony, the women, they kind of changed it, but you have to veil your face. So when you chant in a circle, you do this. Oh, God, hear the words of my mouth. And you're doing the patriarchal grip with the person next to you. And you're doing all of this for the first time, and you're like, what the fuck is happening? It is silly. But I actually view it as a, I mean, more cynically, obviously Elron Hubbard built it very specifically into Scientology. The Zeno reveal was so specifically done to get you all the way in.

Like, he knew, he knew what to do. He knew to put you through. Yeah. He learned it from the OTO. He learned it from other religions. And that's kind of find that interesting is that what you see here is the OG version of it. stolen from freemasonry of how to make somebody stay. Yeah.

And it's like you have to do so much work, just like Scientology. You have to do a lot of work to get to the point where they even allow you to have this information. Yeah. So by the time you're walking the walk, the idea of it being silly or dumb must do it. Like that's the last thing from your, like what you were saying, it's very fright. It must be very powerful and frightening. And it makes, because when you go through this, you're like, damn, Mitt Romney did this. My parents did this.

all of my closest, like all my loved ones in this entire community did this and there were okay with it. So if I'm not okay with it, it means I'm wrong. Yes. Because everyone I love and trust has literally done this fucking chanting ceremony. Which means, and you've just went and have done, let's just be nice here, an hour of total nonsense that doesn't do anything. And when you're in the middle of it, and like I've read that a lot of people talking about this, you're like you're expected to be filled with God. God's love and you're like, oh, this is all weird and sad and scary. Did you see some people who like obviously felt like they were filled with God's love?

So by the time, like when you do the endowment, everyone else, which it could be like 30 to 40 people or more, like everyone else in the room has already done the ceremony. So when you go through you and then you get this like special piece of paper that they tape onto or they pin onto you. So everybody in the room knows that it's your first. time. Oh. And so it's almost like also the like social pressure of like everyone's staring at me because they all know it's my first time. And you're like,

huh? Hey. See, the Catholics, we do it as a team, you know, there's like a bunch of, for Holy Communion.

There's like, you know, 70 of us. So we get in the cookie for the first time. Oh, I remember the, but that was also different. Like,

you know, Catholic who was like, I kind of felt like maybe the same or it's like a social. But also like you've probably, you probably saw lots of people do that for the first time and get communion for the first time before you did it yourself. I saw it, yeah, we got to actually see the ceremony. You kind of visualize, like, okay, someday I'm going to do that, and I know what's, like, I know what I'm aware.

I know what's going to, like, what's going to be said. This is, like, totally blindsided. Yes, it's done to, it's done for that purpose. Yeah, I, like, when I was growing up as a Mormon teenager, I thought, I'm basically, like, a non-denominational Christian, just with the Book of Mormon. Like, everything else felt like, I'm going to youth groups. I'm going to church on Sunday. I'm reading the Bible. Like, you were almost, like, lulled into this sense of, like, I'm just like everybody else.

then you're like what the fuck oh my god it's the boiling it's the frog of the boiling water yeah to kind of wrap this up but was there any because we do have current Mormon listeners still somehow oh okay I think you're going to say there's more underwear

we do have more underwear I've actually brought some of mine from home now we're all going to try it this is the Satanist traditional Tommy Johns that um I get here

I What's a thing You're like yeah Because we do We do still have some current Mormon listeners Okay What's a fucking Sorry about this

Yeah yeah like serious But honestly What is the Is there anything you could say To be like This is what helped me get out This is what I did Like

I bet there are some people listening right now That are scared to get out You know I find that engaging With stuff like this Is almost like The pinnacle of like Right before you leave

because you're like, oh, I'm so nuanced, I can listen to it, and I still keep my faith. But then it chips away at your understanding of the religion and like how much. I feel like most people before they leave, they go through like a doubling down phase because they're like, I don't want to leave. I don't, I can't cope with that. I'd rather just go harder. Yeah. And then they fall off the cliff that are like, oh, I don't believe. But so maybe they're like that.

I don't know. Yeah, no, it's like, it's like you always see like. Like whenever like someone's about to break up with someone, they make lots of really nice, mushy Instagram posts. Yeah. The longer the caption is, the more in trouble the relationship is.

Exactly. Love my babe. That's always like great relationship. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like done. Or they're very like social Mormons. Like because it's so costly, socially to leave the church, I find there's a lot of,

it's called Pimo physically and mentally out. So who, like, I don't know what types of emails you're getting from Mormons. You were talking about too, but the lady Mormons that are like doing all of the Botox, all of the boob implants, all of the stuff where it's like hyper, hyper feminine. They are being extremely feminine. Yeah, real housewives of Salt Lake City. Yeah. Like, how does the Mormon church square with that fucking shit? Yeah, honestly, I feel like it's because the religion is like four men by men and men are never going to be pissed about women trying to be hot.

So. And that is correct. Because it does seem like that because men get no coffee, but you can get a boob job. You can get a boob job. Yeah. Because Mormon men, I mean, I do say that. I was like, man, they have it fucking good. They just get a job.

Like, if you stay in right, like someone will hook you up with a job. Someone hooks you up with a wife. Somebody hooks up. For men, it must be hard to get men out. Yeah. I think it very much is. I mean, I was talking to a friend recently and they know someone. who recently, they literally moved houses because they had left the church and then found it,

like, he lost all of his, like, business contacts. So they moved to a different part of Utah and, like, pretended like they had been active in the other ward. And then they were, like, reintegrated so that he could get basically social contacts back. That's how I said, if you don't hear me for a while, you don't hear from me for a while, and all of a sudden I'm like, you somehow see me under a different name as a small town preacher where I'm running a different church and doing stuff. Just don't say anything. Just imagine you're making a documentary of some sort.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You ever see me in that position and just understand? I'm working on something. Okay? Because obviously I've lost everything. Yeah. And also, I'll ask you this question. I was just asking Natalie upstairs.

Okay, this has got nothing new with Mormonism. This is literally just a lady question. There's one question. Okay. Why'd you point in me? Because you'll hear it. Okay. You get married.

20 years old, right? You're married for like a year. You're your man. Lady dies. How long are you a widower for? Are you a widower even if you get married again? I'm confused by the question. It's okay. You're young man, young wife.

You asked this to Natalie earlier? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like how long do you have to wait? But just like, are you always a widower for men on? No, I don't think so. I mean, are you? If you have a wife that dies, you're always a widower. Even if it was the first marriage, six months long, you barely were married, now you got a new wife, you've been with her for a decade.

If she dies, then you still love her. So you're a widower. Yeah, I mean, I think you could self-describe as a widower, but if that was like the first thing out of your mouth when you meet people, it'd be a little bit. Hey, I'm a widower. This is my new wife, though. Hey, I do. And yeah, I lost the first one. Kept this one.

Yeah, I'm a widower. That's a fun sentence. You're like trying to use it for like sympathy points. Yeah. I just hated it out. I was like, I got widower's energy. She was upset. Yeah, yeah, you got to think so.

I don't know if that is a lady. I don't think that's a lady question. I'm just, my love, like, I'm doing my best of lesson. I thought you were going to ask me like a period question. No, no, no, no. Once married, you are no longer officially a widower. Oh, really? Oh, really?

No, no, no, this is a real website. This is a real website. Courtney itself fucking. That's actually from the newest study of, the new wives administration they say that you're no longer a widower yeah the new wives say fuck that bitch

if you were to marry guy all right let's say he really loved you've been with your husband for a while you've got kids and all kind of stuff whatever the interview's over by the way it's done now it's basically over my question is is that if you were to we'll save this what do you mean you're halfway through the nonsense

it was just I lost it I lost it I lost it I lost the edge I lost the I thought you were going to about polygamy because if a Mormon man's first wife dies and then he gets remarried, then now he's a polygamous in heaven. Interesting. Does he want that though?

Because he's still sealed to both. Well, it doesn't matter if he wants it. Did you get married? But when you were still in the church? Yeah, we were married in the temple. Really? And you both got out? Yeah.

Oh, are you still married to the same person? Yes, yeah. That's amazing. I know. That's actually very beautiful. That's really beautiful. Honestly, it's really nice. And you guys all were your kids in too?

No, thankfully we didn't have kids still after we left. Got it. Which you'd think maybe we'd be like, fuck, having kids. We're not going to do that. But, you know, I still want to have kids after leaving. Especially now that you got all your fucking ducks in a row. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Now that he's out too, is he still kind of just like, whoa. Like, how's his transition? What does he do for a living? Cokane salesman. Oh, wow. He does PR in marketing. Interesting. Yeah.

So, yeah, I mean, we left together. And we're raising our kids to be basically like, atheist in Texas, which is like funny because my seven-year-old will come home and be like, I told everyone, God isn't real. And then they started arguing with me. That is the Lord's work. Yes, it is. Like, sorry, son.

The older people are going to have a real. I do think that it's that general. I have a lot of hope for those kids, for your kids. I have a lot of hope for that generation. There's no nuns anymore. Nons are done. Well, I have hope, but I'm also afraid. because I have two boys

and I'm worried about like the red pill neo conservative like the new conservative young men who are like bone smashing. I think as long as your husband hugs them every once in a while that's what I mean. At least yeah they'll definitely grow up with a strong

father figure who is not like that. As long as you got a father that can maybe show some form of affection that might help the little boys. Yeah, you all are good parents. You don't got to worry about that show. Yeah, you already make great decisions. like being on the show. Being on this fantastic show.

Well, thank you for having me. This has got to be one of the, this is, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Who are you apologizing her? Everyone. I'm apologizing to everyone, but I also feel like. Did you see the symbols? Did you look?

Yeah, there's a V right here. Yeah, that's the most important part. And then on the belly button too. Your belly button has a V? Oh, no, it's just a line. Yeah, they all mean different things. It's on Wendy. What are these means?

That's like, is that where the tracker chip goes? No, that's your C section. Oh. So there's all the masonry, you know, like the compass and the ruler, they're the masonic symbols. Oh, okay. See, this is the kind of stuff I want on my own clothes. I want to have a monogram. But it needs to be a Z, of course.

Melissa, you're wonderful. Thank you so much. I'm going to people find the book. So it's on, I say, try to get them from your local bookstore when you can, but does Amazon help you? Obviously, you get it all. It's all good. Yeah, Amazon, yeah. It's just KDP.

It's self-published. You might not find it in a local bookstore, honestly. Get it on Amazon. How to get out of the Mormon. How to leave the Mormon Church by Alyssa Grenfell. Check out of YouTube. It is endlessly fascinating. You are constantly bringing up really cool new information about the Mormon.

Like everything that us... Let's just say some of us are kind of obsessed with it. Not saying me and my wife. Yeah. But yeah. I mean, you are saying that. But yes. So you guys do great work.

So thank you. Yeah, yeah, and I have a TikTok and Instagram, and yeah, Mormon Stories is great too. Yes, and he's getting sued. John Daylon's getting sued. Yeah, it's so insane. And after all these years. How do you void getting sued? You know, I think it's probably coming, but knock on wood.

I mean, I think they're just waiting probably for. That's how you know you made it. Please mean, I'll help you. And it's the best thing could ever happen for your YouTube channel. But the greatest, I mean, so I'm in Texas, whereas John is in Utah and the courts are stacked with Mormon. So I also think the reason they're suing John and not me is they know Texans, like evangelicals don't give a fuck. Well, they actually hate Mormons. Is John still in?

John Dillon is, I think, you know, no, he was excommunicated. He's out, right, yeah, he's out. So he was in, he chose to stay in, but was still publicly critical as a member. And then they excommunicated him in like 2018. Man, they really try. They try to go like, well, we'll take a little bit of it. Don't you dare come from our copyrights? because we will sue the balls off of you.

Because we don't care, even though it's not real. Thank you so much, Alyssa. This was wonderful. This was awesome. Thanks for having me. Thank you so much. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I can't wait to read the book.

Hail sweet Satan. Yeah. You know, and hail sweet Satan again, just for the Mormon community. It feels really good. I think he prefers Lucifer, actually. Hail Lucifer. Yeah, yeah. All right.

Right from your blade. Wow. she wasn't too upset by us no obviously I honestly as soon as I saw her I'm like oh she's gonna hate me no she but she did a good you did a good job too because you didn't yell no you didn't rip off your shirt

I didn't eat a bunch of food no you didn't cover yourself on all different sauces and stuff and screen smoking ass weed no no I mean we should have though that'd have been cool we gotta get her on that that's next yeah next we get her fully into drugs yeah bong rips with Alyssa I feel like that's what it comes down to we need do some LSD we need to do some Honestly, I'd even do cocaine with her just to do it.

You know, I've never done heroin. This is the person to do it with. This is the person to, because she seems responsible. If I turn a Mormon person or exmo with heroin, I win. Yeah. She looks like she always has an arcana on her, right? Yeah. We do doubt too.

We stole it from back. Yeah, yeah. I do have an arcane in my backpack. So if you start to seize up in front of me, just be like, Eddie, Andy, get an arc. Give me a shot. Give me a fucking shot. Give me a fucking shot, bro.

I'm going to fucking die to me. I can fucking die, bro. But this is coming out next week, so I might be out of our can. Yeah, you might have used it. Because I'm going to Bethlehem, Pennsylvania. And they are going to need it. All right. So go over to patreon.com slash last podcast and left to listen to us ad free.

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I know Texas is big, but Plano wants you to come see me live at the mic drop. That's going to be on the comedy club does. The comedy club. Who knows about the city? I don't know if the city is always the most welcoming. Yeah, maybe not. Probably not. But I'll be there on September.

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are there in the way, dude. Whales going to get out of the way, man. Did you hear about that? Now, I don't want to get into it. I want to get out. It doesn't matter. Apparently people on the cruise didn't even notice. That's how great the boats are in the Royal Caribbean. They ran over a bunch of whales and didn't even know. People still are having a great time.

Yeah. And also come check us out of Midsummer Scream at the beginning of August out here in Long Beach. It's going to be a lot of fun. We're going to be selling the album, doing a panel, doing some signings. Lots of shit. Just fucking hanging out, selling merch. You know the bullshit that happens at HorrorCon. See my fucking ass over a Midsummer Scream.

Hell yeah. He's going to spread his cheeks and let you see the hole. You really don't want to. But you can, though. Yes. That will be available. Hells it. Hell, it's a Grenfell.

Good work. Yeah. Bye. Bye.