Last Podcast On The Left - Side Stories: Only Files

Episode Date: March 11, 2026

Henry & Eddie bring you this week's biggest stories and wildest news - CBT vs CBT, newly surfaced MJ12 documents reveal an unredacted look at UAP disclosure from half a century ago, 60 Minutes takes aim at CIA over Havana Syndrome Cover-Up, and THEN the boys are joined by comedian, journalist, and host of The Epstein Files Book Club - Jena Friedman joins the show for a fresh perspective on the ever-unfolding Epstein Saga, Listener E-Mails, and much, much MORE! For Live Shows, Merch, and More Visit: www.LastPodcastOnTheLeft.comKevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 Licensehttp://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Last Podcast on the Left ad-free, plus get Friday episodes a whole week early. Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus.  Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

There's no place to escape to. This is the lost podcast. On the left. Side stories? That's when the cannibalism started. Side stories. Yes. Oh, la, la la la la la la la don't know why, but I'm dying to try.

I want to kiss the man. Whoa, whoa. Love to kiss the man. Oh, we were recording? Oh, great. Kiss the man. I love to kiss the man. You would.

You love kissing men. And I know it. Because we're on the road this weekend, Indianapolis and Urbana, Illinois. No, I don't like kissing men in Urbana. I don't want to kiss men in Urbana. Unless, of course, you've bought the VIP ticket. Yeah. And then we're going to change Urbana's name to Urbana because we're going to be sucking tongues off of the dudes in your city.

This is a great intro. I'm going to suck a tongue. I'm going to suck a tongue again, but you have to buy a ticket. to side stories live. We have about 50 tickets left, apparently. So let's get those fuckers sold. Let's have some fun and let's fucking suck some goddamn manmouth. Yeah, we're going to suck some mad mouth.

And we're here sucking manmouth every week here on side stories. I'm your host, Henry Zabrowski. I'm sitting here with the filled with manmouth Ed Larson. I don't like it. We're already getting to get complete. We've already gotten complaints about the mouth noises. Your noises of your, if you eating mouth with your mouth. Yeah.

The whole show is mouth noises technically. The show doesn't exist without mouth noises. What is talking about mouth noises? Exactly. By the way, big news today at the old Larson Rosinghouse on. Yes. Our boys losing his balls today. Ernie's getting clipped.

Good. He's done, dude. I'm glad. Cut his balls off. I think it already happened by this point. Champ's getting his balls removed to. Everybody. that means not a single man in this room of testicles.

That's right. And it's really nice. That's right, man. I swallowed mine years ago. Hey, got to. Anything to fucking cut down on some of the heat, my friend. But you know who doesn't have to worry about getting rid of their balls? I did want to do a bit of a follow-up because I asked a question to the audience about

ball torture. Yes. Because of this story, we were talking about people that get their balls. This was two weeks ago we talked about this. I believe this. And I never got to it because I got a don't. that reached out and said, because I also didn't know, because I was talking about CBT, which is cognitive behavioral therapy that I go through.

And then I saw this email that was like CBT. And it was like, oh, what's this going to be about? And then I clicked on it. And it was all about how much kicking and tugging balls can take. And then I realized, oh, CBT is also short for combined ball torture. Cock and ball torture. You should tell you your therapist that. He'll just going to, oh, you don't think that's my opener?

You don't think that's not what I'm leading with, hardcore? How many cox and balls have been through here today? It's funny that on Wikipedia, there are like, make sure you want to click on the right CBC. Oh, they're different. They're different. But basically, this Dom came out and they said that they did research into how much you can torture somebody's balls. And you can, apparently, it takes 110 pounds of pressure to rupture a testicle. And a lot of times, the girls either pull back or, like, when, you're, you know,

whenever the Dom's going to do it. Thank you. Thank you, Rob. The Wikipedia for cock and ball torture does not cut back. I do. It is bizarre. I have never seen genitals on Wikipedia other than in this room. In this room, I've seen generals on Wikipedia.

It's like to me, in this room, Wikipedia's all general. This is like, we're now looking at the Wikipedia entry for the humbler, which is a BDSM physical restraint device, a cock and ball bondage toy, to restrict the movements of the submissive partner. Oh, God, just get it off of here. I'll give it to Shalame. He needs a little humbling. He knows. He knows. I'm just looking through that guy's butthole like at the fucking telescope.

Let's take this back. Wow. The dumb. I'm blown away by all those options of photos. It really is. Wow. I think one would have done the trick. We were talking about Rosa Parks before the show.

There's one. There's literally one picture of Rosa Parks on her Wikipedia page. There is. I'm looking at it, four tortured balls and dicks in a mosaic at the top of the article. Yeah, I will say that that one cock is as big as a bus seat. I don't need any of this. I don't need any of this. So come back to it.

So the Dom was saying, the problem was this, that we were talking about, like, why can you guys get their balls destroyed every single time they do in these videos. And largely, she was saying it just takes a lot more strength than you think to kick at that level of force in order to. to destroy the balls. But then largely, I had other Dom say, which I thought is interesting, is that these guys talk a big game a lot. And they like the lead-up and the talking about. But then more often than not, once they get to the advanced CBT, that's when the guys go, safe, for, safe, for, safe, no, no, no, no.

I'm good, I'm good, I'm good. Oh, it's like right before a drunk guy gets the shit kicked out of him. Yeah, you're like, okay, you know, you're a pussy. You're a pussy. You know what you can't even fight. You're a pussy. Why are you fighting a guy? Why are you fighting a guy?

I do think it's like that that they get really deep into it and then they just can't, they're not ready for it. CBT. 300 bucks an hour for my fucking CBT, but I... At least I could sit afterwards. I'm going to get it

mixed with my THC and this really end my fucking fertility. Also, big up's the body glide. What's body glide? Chub rub. Chubb for fat guys. Oh, really? It's an anti-chafering stick. Stick? I want

some. That sounds great. It's right there. You can get it straight from China. Wow. China loves it. They got big guys there? We know what it is, though. With China, it's not that they got big guys, slippery guys. Oh. Slippery guys. That's what they like. Speaking of which in Indianapolis,

you can see us at the slippery news. Will you? Will we? will you? I'm going to try to get Ed to go with me after the show over to the slippery noodle. If you are the owner of that establishment, hold us a table. Whoa. There's a rig of Tony. He's in a society of me.

Oh, whoa. You got to go to the slippery. Oh, God, we got to go. I've never been. That's where the guy tried to show me his penis. Oh. And gave me a slippery noodle. That is funny that it happened at the slippery noodle.

Oh, yeah. All right. Big cover-ups to talk about today. Are you, so we're going to start with aliens? I want to talk a little bit about this story, is that I was down on disclosure a couple of weeks ago. You hate it. Well, it's because I believe, truthfully, that we're past the point of needing government disclosure. I think that that's silly.

I think that that's why I'm anti it. I know before I was kind of bummed about aliens and Trump and all that kind of stuff. Honestly, what I'm more, I'm not bummed. I'm more just saying, we don't need disclosure. I mean, ever since the drones, like 15 months ago, like, I've lost interest, personally. Well, it's because the problem is that we're going to get no answers. Yeah. Any answer that they give you is going to be a fake answer.

There is no way they're going to give you a real answer. It's not going to happen. So whatever it is, he says in a speech is going to be completely fake. Also, he just doesn't understand words. Anything. No, and the guys around him, I was just saying, so that big, you remember there was that all the hullabaloo for the, oh, disclosure's coming, disclosures coming, and then nothing. Yeah.

The reason why is because there was a massive pushback from the generals that are supposed to be doing the disclosing. Again, we're hitting into the world where their evangelical religious beliefs will not let them talk about aliens because to them it be a demon. Oh. And that if it ought to be a demon, the only thing that they know is a demon, and if it was not a demon, then God would show them directly. But it was to be a demon. Oh, so they don't believe in sky demons. Well, no. Oh, they utterly believe in sky demons. That's why they're afraid of them. They're literally so afraid of the aliens that they don't want to talk about them because they think they're they think that they're Jesus as enemies. Has anyone tried to like Jimmy the zipper in the back of Stephen Miller's head and see what happens?

I would love to get a hold of that zipper. I got a couple ideas for that fucking zipper. I did, I saw the news tossing around the words, what was it, interdimensional beings? Yeah. They have no idea. So the Pentagon is completely pulled back. They're just pulled back. They don't want to deal with it because they think it's icky. It is much how, like, guys didn't want to fully investigate homophobic, with, like, crimes inside of the homosexual scenes in the 1970s because they thought it was icky. It's like the same thing.

We literally don't want to be involved in it because they think that they're going to get demon stink on them. But there is real disclosure actually happening. Okay. So I got this. This is where the disclosure should be. It is coming from the people. And this thing is extremely interesting. It doesn't quite...

I'm going to try to explain this in a way that makes sense. Please, because I need it. So in the 1980s, our egg-shaped purveyor of truth, Stanton Friedman, was a part of Mufant. He was a euphalologist that was trying to bring an era of large phupid rationality to UFOs. He was a nuts and bolts guy. He only believed in nuts and bolts aspect that they are actual physical crafts that come from another part of the galaxy. And he firmly believed that there was a U.S.

U.S. government cover-up about them trying to retroactively figure out technology from these devices, and they were lying to the people. And Stanton Friedman was the champion of a release of a series of what were supposed to be top secret documents labeled MJ12. The idea is that there was a group. So it's because the 12 was a group of people that had what was called majestic clearance, which was the tippity, tippity, tippity, tippity, top, top secret clearance that you could have. Okay. Right? This, again, we don't know if it's real or not.

It was a hazy thing. And this group of 12 wrote this essentially report to the government explaining all of the various ramifications of UFOs, the things inside of them, what it would be like to retrofit their technology and how do we handle it socially? Like they had like a whole breakdown. All this stuff came out in the 80s. It has largely been debunked. Okay. Most people believe at this point that they were fake. material that was put out

in the 80s version of the intranet, like the old internet like when it was before, it was just like in like boards that was like a game that was played and then it came out, Stanton Friedman tried to make a big deal about it, ruined his life, all of it. He wrote a bunch of books about it.

He didn't ruin his life. He started Mufon. He died in an airport. Anybody that dies in an airport? That's sad. Kenny Fisher died in an airport. Hmm. It is sad. It is sad.

I wish she died at home. Yeah. So this guy came out. This guy wrote a substack. Everybody would love sub-sack. But this is interesting. This guy started, like, re-looking at the MJ-12 documents. I guess literally just to waste his time.

Yeah. And you discover something fascinating. It was actually MJ-13. He-he. No, that's just what's a code name. It's funny. You went there because I was thinking cartels. Oh, wow.

Oh, interesting. Yeah, it's our brain. Yeah, 13 also, we know. That number's too big for him. Two wolves. Two wolves inside of you. So the Majestic 12s, he noticed that, so this guy is going with stuff. And they said that they had this sort of, like, stamp on it.

And he noticed each one had a stamp on it with a number. 834-021. And it was like, ah, whatever. What is this? So he decided to just run that through the CIA FOIA portal. And then Jenny picked up. Boom. 7, 5, 309.

Yeah, that's a problem. You missed the last number. Yeah. And he's got to jerk off to the sound of the tone. All right, so this guy sounds like, oh, it's just some random number. It's actually connected to something. Is it a star? It's connected to 345 pages of released paperclip intelligence documents.

Okay. Have you read those? You fucker. But no, right. These were disclassified. So these were declassified, these documents. So all of the Operation Paperclip, M.K. Ultra shit. Like, M.K. Ultra, we got to remember, we not know that M.K. Ultra until Clinton was president.

Okay. He was the one that released a bunch of anything that was available. He released that. I had no idea. Yes. So that's new, essentially. These documents from Operation Paperclip, when we whitewashed all this stuff with the Nazis, didn't actually become declassified until 2020. Hold on. So we didn't know about

Berner von Braun until 2022. I'm just saying a new batch came out. Oh, okay. Okay. Right? So it's still coming out. And so what this person understood is that they were all sort of connected to the same batch. This extremely important batch. Now

they see here, so not in my surprise like it's a they realize that you could look at, if you look at the paperwork, it is in fact CIA, JIOA paperclip in its document that has MJ12 written on. Okay. That is in the Operation Paperclip

stuff. So that means whatever is in the quote-unquote fake documentary and all these fake documents are actually... In a real document. The same stamps are on a bunch of real documents. So MJ12 did exist. If...

So it's just we're seeing for the very first time maybe that the documents are real. Not that MJ12 is real. Not that MJ12 is real, that the documents might be real. And what that might even mean, which is, we might be looking at a disinfo campaign that is as old as the entire conspiracy theory itself. Right.

What if we are in a world where that was faked back then? And it was put into all of this stuff as a part of a disinformation campaign to make people that got access to this look silly and stupid. And when was MJ12? Was that like back in like the 40s? 50s? 40s and 50s. So this is like after World War II, after Mussolini sold us the bullshit. This is Roswell time.

This is Roswell time. After Roswell and after all of that. So this would be because I believe this article, the technically the things came. It's just, I'm starting to remember some of the stuff. Right? It started to sink in. You just lost like one like base player that was in the like that was on Osmium. You know what he's lost one?

But dude, like, there was another one. So there was another number, A-1762.1. It was another one that they looked up and it popped up on another document that's legit. Okay. We are, I'm just saying that it's fascinating. And they are, it seems to be right now at the very top it says there was like one document that has approved for release that didn't come out until 20 years later. And the big thing on it is says, CIA

UFOs Six letters Literally dude CIA UFOs on this thing that's like that's what this document's about That's fun

It's just And that's like on a post it They put on the front of it Yes Yes So This is the This is

The disclosure I know But we can't sit here And like believe A Postit note It's on The fire So they

scanned it with it, right? So this comes from the FOIA request. Yeah. So this comes from the CIA like this. It was scanned like this. It says like official record copy below it. Yes. Cool. So it's one of those weird things. That's actually

disclosure, buddy. So maybe, maybe. Does this not to throw you off, because I know you're on this and it's fucking awesome, does this have anything to do with William McCaslin who went missing? This guy, the UFO general, that was going to was looking at all the UFOs who went missing.

I don't. I don't know. I also think that this guy went missing. I think he very well could have just committed suicide. But wouldn't they have found him by now? Dudes are fucking awesome, man. Dudes are tied all the time. If a father wants to go away, they do it all the time, man.

He'll go out there. He'll blow his brains out by a fucking cliff and fall backwards. He knows what they did. I mean, if the government was going to chip anybody, they would have chip this motherfucker, right? Absolutely. Yeah. Wendy's got a chip. Yeah.

He should have a chip. I think that, you know, what if the guy just as super sad as we all are that Trump's invaded his own territory and he's sad and he blew his brains out because it ruined his life work. Hmm. Interesting. I can see that. It was said that he has more sensitive secrets about the United States in his head than anyone else. Not no more. So you really believe he's just dead?

I think that he ran? You think he would be like, what if, like, defected to Russia or some shit? You know, it's funny. I think it's the same thing that when you talk about with Epstein, obviously, I think about it a little bit differently now. But I think that the, let's say those secrets weigh heavily on a person. Yeah. I think that you could obviously have, I think that it would make a lot of sense that you might feel quite a bit of pressure. Then why not tell everyone right before you off yourself?

Because you have the pride of being a loyal patriot that took his secrets to the grave. Yeah. I feel like that's what it is. It's like the royal patriots don't talk. real patriots are fully brainwashed you know and like that's why they're all like where's the fucking whistleblowers but it's connected because apparently

he was working with fragments from Roswell maybe or he was told they were fragments from Roswell he wasn't Ohio it's a long away from New Mexico yeah but it's also maybe he was told they were maybe it also maybe it's hard maybe he got who knows we don't know yet maybe he got diagnosis

of being extremely sick That's quite possible. Like how many times guys do that? Yes. They were trying to do that with Hunter S. Thompson. They were trying to reopen his case and stuff. And it's like the motherfucker wrote that he would not live anymore if he couldn't walk anymore. The second he couldn't walk anymore, he committed suicide.

Yeah. There it is. Dudes get sad. And instead of doing something about it and blow their brains out. Okay? That's what guys do? What's it going to take for you to do it? Well.

That new Josh Gad, Chris Farley movie might be. coming down soon. You lost too much weight. Oh, no, I'm not talking about me. I'm just talking about imagining that moron trying to recreate the comedy of Chris Farley in today's movie. I'm not even going to get into it.

I'd be down to watch them fall through a bunch of tables. It's not him. It's somebody else. He got somebody else to do it. It's not going to be good. Oh, he's not in it. No. Oh.

He's only, man, he just like. He wrote it. He wrote it worse. Oh, he also wrote space balls too. Oh, God. And he's going to be John Candy's son. He's going to be, he's going to be Mogg too. Wow, I'm just as excited about that as I've ever been.

Wow, that's the one. Wow, Ed, you're right. I'm so much more excited about that. Live from North Lane. See, that's not the only cover up that's in the news. Oh, yeah? What's going on with the other one? So say what you will about 60 minutes, right?

It's only an hour. See, I'm a 5.58 minutes to 1. So they have done a bombshell report about the Havana syndrome. You know, people... They've done multiple. Yes, but this last one is really fucking... It's a big old one. They had a CIA whistleblower come in and basically reveal that they more than believe

that there is an active CIA cover-up about the Havana syndrome. For those of you that don't know or remember, it all started around 2016. The reason why it's called the Havana syndrome was because a group of... of diplomats, U.S. diplomats and spies were in a hotel in Havana, and they all experienced what they believed this sort of this attack of a weapon that said that felt like an ice pick was going in their ear, and they couldn't think their ears would get all popped. Some of them would feel like a clamp was going on the back of their neck.

They didn't think it was like tricyclinosis stuff with some bad pork or something. I mean, it just, it was directed and it happened really quickly, right? and then afterwards they found that whatever it happened had broken or shattered the little bones around inside of their ears and all this kind of stuff all around this area. For a while, this has now been happening ever since

for the last decade. U.S. spies and diplomats have been complaining about the same thing, same series of symptoms and kind of all of the circumstances around it. And it's a permanent too, right? Some of them have permanent damage. It's kind of like

long COVID in a way where they then came out, the CIA just said, it's a natural phenomenon. It's what they called, which I thought was really interesting. They called it an AHI, which is an anomalous health incident. Okay. So what they'll do is they pay you that you get your insurance, your work insurance, but they still would not admit that it was like an attack because the CIA decided that there's no way they could just make a weapon that does this thing and not, we wouldn't know about it, essentially. The CIA said that in order for them to make this microwave weapon, it would

have to be the size of a tractor trailer, and we'd know it everywhere. It would take so much power. It would make all this noise. Blah, blah, blah. Do we have any secret organizations inside of America that would keep a secret from the CIA? Eddie, no. But no.

So what happened is is that, so the DOD in 24, I find this is very interesting. Biden's White House, specifically, did not believe in the CIA reports. So they went looking for it themselves. They ended up finding a guy within the DOD to go buy this microwave weapon off of a Russian

mafioso. Okay. That could fit in a backpack. So they bought this thing that it could fit in a backpack. It does it. It gives off no heat. It takes very little power to do. It's some kind of thing that they figured out.

The Russians have been working on this for a long time. We bought it. We started testing it. We tested it on cows and shit. We're killing cows and stuff with it. And basically, they were ready to come out with all of this information. And this was all running up until the election. And then once the election happened, it just kind of went on the wastebasket.

Right. Like once they just said, fuck it. And they just left it alone. And what they're basically saying is not only are they easy to make, but they're almost imperceptible. and now the mafias are just printing them, which means they're no longer secret technology. Everyone can have them.

Now they're out. So is this what we used in Venezuela, or is this what we've been using against protesters? I have no idea. I don't know. But we know that Trump called it the discombobulator, whatever it was. Yeah.

And we do know. He got that whole word out. I think that he couldn't say the real word. They couldn't say the real word. Yeah, we got the discombobulator. We've got, but those are sound, There are sound weapons. This is not a sound weapon.

Okay. This is a microwave weapon. It cooks your fucking brain. Crazy. Yeah. So it's one of those that we just got sitting around there and 60 minutes allowed this out. And I believe this is a bit of a limited, what we call in the intelligence services, a limited hangout in which they are going to give us this little fun controversy and this thing to do in order for us to talk about anything but the Epstein trial.

And the invasion of Iran, all of it. Now, this is the new distraction. It's a cool distraction. It's a cool distraction. I like this one. Because we can't forget CBS runs 60 minutes and they're, you know. In Trump's pocket. They're in Trump's pocket.

They took out a fucking story about Venezuela recently. Yeah, they are. So the reason why we're getting this story is because this is an easier controversy for them to handle. The CIA has decided because they've always been the bad guys. Right. They're always the fall guys. Always. The CIA is like, let us take the heat.

Yeah. And that's it. no must, no fuss. No one's talking about Epstein anymore, except they are. Yes, very much so. Very, very much so are. As a matter of fact, we are about to talk about it for the next 40 minutes. Yeah, I hope you like it.

You're fucking better. You, they will. People have been loving the Epstein stuff. We've brought an expert on. Yes, because I need this more than you need this. You're entrenched. To me, you're an expert as well. But this next person is really who kind of like, I got to say,

she helps me through every crisis this country goes. through. I look to her for leadership. She is one of the smartest voices in comedy. Truly brilliant. Written for Sasha Barron Cohen, had her own show on Adult Swim. Yeah. This is our bit of we're doing a bit of an update. That's right.

There's a new podcast out called the Epstein Files Book Club. It's hosted by Jenna Friedman and Elise Hugh. Please welcome Jenna Friedman. It's an island adventure. It's an island adventure.

Heck yeah, it's Jeffrey time. It is funny that Whitney's, Whitney was his favorite comedian. I know, I'm like, that just means you look young. Are we rolling? Are we rolling? That can be like the promo for the episode? Yeah, absolutely. We can drop that right in.

It is a pleasure to have this, one of the 500 murderers in this country. that you are. One of the 500 fucking killers. You belong in that fucking room in the mothership. I don't care what anybody says. Oh, I'll do the mothership. Yeah, you're fucking COVID's over.

Yeah. I mean, it's... But man, oh, man, this lady know what going on. That's right. We're joined by Jenna Friedman, co-hosts of the Epstein Files Book Club. I'm very excited. I love your show

that you do with Elise Hugh. It's unbelievable. I've listened to every episode. I caught up on the flight home yesterday. Thank you. You are a guiding light for a lot of us, and I appreciate you so much. Also, your show in Adult Swim is wonderful.

Thank you. That was my dream show, soft focus. God, it was so fucking good. Do you still think about the Cannibal Cop? Never. No, I might have blocked him. I'd done a couple interviews. Like, there was one I did with Ken Crows.

Yes. The Making a Murderer DA and he would like text me every so often. I don't even want to talk about him because I don't want to like wake up his spirit. Well, I was listening to your show on the way here and I got to say

Walt Disney World ad right in the middle of it. Really? I thought it was a sketch on your show because it was a bunch of children going down around. No. Thank you for bringing that up. Okay, so I've never done a podcast. There was a moment I remember

in 2009, I had done the Glasgow Comedy Festival. Mark Maren was there. He had just started his podcast and he was like, do you want to come up to my hotel room and record an episode of my podcast? And I was like, yeah, right. Your hotel room to record your podcast? And I didn't. He did have me on recently, whatever. And I, and then the next day announced that he was shutting out of his podcast. Sorry. I won't talk about it. I'm honestly, it's fine. It's fine. It works. I know. He's got a really big fan base. us. Okay. Anyway. So, but I've not done a podcast. And then when the second batch of files dropped, the only person talking about it was Jake Tapper. I'm no longer on Twitter because it's the whole

story, but I had an account that got erased twice by Elon. I have it right here in my notes. Well, because Twitter used to be before Elon took it over, like, it was like the water cooler, where you got your news when I was living in New York. If I heard a sound, I'd be like, what's that? And Twitter would tell me, because everybody was on it. It was like a public good. And so I don't I'm not as like clued into the news in the way that I was or the public discourse around the news and then Tapper posted something Jake, whatever, we're not like friends. But he posted I think pieces that were in the files that the DOJ have taken off out of the files. But they were the allegations were so damning. And some of them were not credible.

and the FBI wrote not credible next to some of them, but some of them were. And I just like immediately posted on social media something to the effect of like we're all just like there are allegations of Trump raping kids and we're all just going to like ignore that. To lose it. There's videos of it. Yeah. I mean I'm trying to be so careful to not say. I don't like if I don't, I know that there are allegations and then the DOJ have removed them. And I also remember there are two different ones. There's this Katie. Johnson, who I remember in 2016, she was going to do a press conference. Katie Johnson's a pseudonym.

And then she got spooked and didn't, but her allegations against Trump were very damning. And so anyway, I, like, I went into the files myself. What I saw was so insane. I was like, is anyone talking about this on a podcast? No one was.

There's this one Epstein Files podcast. I started listening to it. I'm like, this is AI. And that's the number one Epstein Files podcast right now, by the way. And I want to mark that. It is true. The number one podcast. It's called like the Epstein Files podcast or something.

It is just AI garbage. It's just AI. And then there's this other one like called insidious about Epstein that I was listening to. And it actually corroborated now that I've been like going into the files and like I've learned stuff. Like I listen to the whole thing and it it's pretty accurate. But then the voice changes from like a scary man's voice. Well, they're all men's voices. Sorry.

Hey. Well, we're trying to be safe. We're trying to make it safe for you here. But like to a scary Southern man's voice in the same episode. And it's just so it's like, I don't know what is AI. It's very disorienting. And so I was just my friend Elise who I met at TED, which is a whole other thing. She has been wanting to do a podcast with me.

And I was like, we should just do it on this. And we got it up and running really quickly. But like the ad component, I mean, we're not making any money on this, but it's on a platform where like they'll just put an ad in the middle. love it? Yes, it's they embed it. It's like from there, like, you we've had lots of like army ads and like we have random stuff gets put in and we have no control over it. We have to do whackamol. So essentially

you hear ahead of time when someone says they put some nefarious either ICE ad or US and army ads, it's happened several times and then you just, you play whackamol. You call and say, get it out of there. Okay. And so they go and they reach and lock it and then they do it and go and do it piece by piece. There was one at the beginning

that was either about a casino or something and we I was like, no ad, let's not do any ads at the beginning. like I can move it to the middle. Disney's pretty, that's pretty nuts. That was wild. I was taken aback. You should be making money.

For a Disney ad, you should be making money. I think you make like $30. Like every, it's just me, Elise Hugh and Sammy Junio is who edits our podcast. I don't mean to be so tangential,

but I went to drop off my toddler at preschool and I, or no, pick him up. And then he was an aftercare and I knew all the kids' names. And they're not all in his class, but all the names are, you know, they're nuts. Yeah, Astoria and Rillin and Master McGoo.

Couple Liliths, couple Liliths. Lilith is a really advanced name for a little tougher, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you mean the ancient whore of the Bible? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. So, but I like knew everybody's names. And then the teacher's like, what are our names?

And I got them, but it took me a second. And then I felt like since it's an asshole. Then I got all their names. The kids are more important. Yeah, who cares about you? But it was like a moment where I was just like, oh, my God, if I didn't rip this name out right away, I, you know, so sorry. Do you do Lionsman? What?

Lionsmane. Mushroom extracts. Oh, Lionsmane. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It really does. It helps with some word recall. I mean, I've seen it. I've had, okay, I was at the Flyover Festival.

Okay. And in St. Louis. And I went to one of their farmers markets on my time off. And they had alligator meat. But then there was this random man who was growing Lionsmain from his basement. They're pretty far from Alligators as well. That's where they grow. And I bought the Lions Main.

And I like took it home two days later. And I sauteed it with butter. Your face is right. And my partner who I was dating at the time was like, I'm not eating that. But his bandmate was such a good. sport and he like ate it with me like this like old linesman wrote like four songs yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah you got a treated different yeah can i honestly ask like how is this obviously uh we we talked a little bit before the show it's like we all my my wife is also deeply obsessed i'm obsessed i kind of like the fact

that we can come together about this but i am hearing that it does affect it's affecting people's homes right well it's the whole thing of the gardener in the road You can't have two Epstein files, people. Epstans. Epstans. Well, like the P-Dope, like the files files. Yes. Yes.

Files files. File files? File files. Only files. I'm on, I subscribe to as only files. Look, the only, okay, so we started the podcast because I just didn't see people. I was reading the files and I'm like, I just, I want to be talking about this with smart people. And I want it in a responsible way because there's so many conspiracy theories and you can get pulled down by like the cannibalism and the jerky and the this and the that.

And I'm like, this is what they want. They want us to have information overload. They want us to either go turn into like left wing Q&N are fully shut down. There has to be a middle road where you're like let's, I mean, we're not going to forget about the ice stuff. There's a lot going on now with Iran. Yeah, I just move it to another burner. It's just put it there. It's on the stove.

Right. I mean, I think we can like walk and chew gum at the same time, right? Like I think and the reason that these have activated me is because I feel like this is going to be the one thing that takes this administration down. Either, you know, the Dems sweep in the midterms or something else. I mean, I think we have to, but I think that you can't. I thought that the ice stuff was bipartisan, meaning like I didn't think anyone could justify having these like massed men and Dean Cain terrorizing people in American cities. Because Dean Kane, that would frighten. Like, if I was an illegal immigrant and then Dean Kane showed up with a bulletproof vest and machine gun, I'd be like, wow, this is really, this is very serious.

He's faster than a speeding bullet. Yeah. Yeah. Well, but, you know, there's a way that they're spinning that, you know, and they're like, our borders, blah, blah, blah. But with this shit, you cannot, like, it is such a cover up. If Trump is innocent, why are they covering it up? Why are they redacting files that they've released? I mean, the cover-up is so obvious to everyone, including Joe Rogan. So, and then the other...

If it gets through his literally expanded skull from HGH, it should be. It should start to break through. Yeah. So when I say, like, you know, I think it's what's going to take them down. If it doesn't, it's taking all of us down. Like, how do we live in a, you know, work in progress democracy if we can't prosecute pedophiles? It didn't take the Catholic Church down. Well, Catholic Church, I almost think, is even more rich and established in a way that we can't understand because they still have God's mandate.

Yeah. The president. Well, they're trying to. Yeah, they're trying to. But, you know, they don't have a DOJ. You know, they don't have enough. I mean, the Catholic Church is like an international institution that's been around for centuries. But they're breaking laws in America.

Why aren't we allowed to arrest everyone who does it? Yeah. That's a crazy thing. Yeah. Now, I wanted to, before we get too deep in the weeds on this stuff, there's, you've already crossed like three things I wanted to talk to you about, like, in like three sentences. So, but the first thing I want to talk about with you is a lot of mysterious things keep happening to you. And I wanted to know about like what, how you feel about that. Like, first of all, your Twitter getting erased.

This weird Epstein podcast. Someone did a different version of your autobiography. And you got stopped at the border when you're coming back to America. You're such a nice woman, too. You're such a nice... Your existence makes me paranoid. Okay. Okay.

The framing is very conspiratorial. They're all separate things and they're very easy to explain. Okay. Sounds like somebody who's in too deep. Stopped at the border. So that was April of last year. I was coming back from Ted. I was coming from Vancouver into the U.S.

The customs border is on the Vancouver side. So I wasn't... I had my guard down. I was chatty. And he asked me, the U.S. Customs agent asked, you know, what were you doing here? I said I was doing comedy. And it was unpaid because it was Ted. I had a situation at the border over a decade ago where I didn't realize that I needed to, it was a whole thing.

So I wanted to make sure, like, I was doing comedy. It was unpaid because it's Ted. That's a whole separate issue. Yeah. He said, are you a comedian? What do you joke about? I hesitated and then he asked you make fun of politicians. I said no.

Yeah. Because I... Yeah, because it's in a situation. You're trying to get home. It's also not the only thing that you do. I know. Also, like, is it making fun of them to state facts? You know, like...

Yeah. Anyway, I didn't... When I posted about it, I didn't say that I said no because I was nervous about, you know, I just said, be careful around customs. I got through... whatever. Oh no,

because we were going into Canada the next week, too. And we're all like, oh, fuck. It's like, I'm all over everything telling you, saying, like, I want to burn the White House down. I don't know. I'm very all over the place. I don't say that. Well, it's because you're smart.

You're smart. But yeah. Thank you for coming on the show. Thank you. Sure, sure. It's just me. You might have problems now, I guess. Well, okay.

So that happened. And what was so interesting, I, when I, when after it happened, because I remember, like, I got through and then I was in a bookshop and there was a guy in the bookshop like I was like shopping for a present for my toddler and I wanted to be like I just was asked this at the border and then I just didn't say anything because I'm like I just got to get home and be safe and you know and I uh then when I got home a friend of mine works for Adam Schiff and I said hey this just happened and he sent me a meme that I had posted the maybe like the previous day or around like a couple days prior that I could show it to it says stop like stop at the borders like drugs weapons something else and ideas. And then, and it was in Politico. They posted this on social media and then they took it down because it obviously freaked people out. But I believe that he had gotten that memo and was just following orders.

And so that's why that line of questioning happened. And I wasn't going to be like, yeah, I do, I do joke about politicians. Free speech. Like Trump? Yeah, like President Trump. Come at me, random man without a body cam in a foreign country. You know, I'm just, I have a self-preservation. Yeah.

So that happened, okay. And then I talked about it because I couldn't not. And he, the funny thing is, it's like he asked me that question. And I, I mean, it became like fodder for, like, the opening of my show. I do a whole bit about it now. Yes. Yeah. The ultimate sweetest revenge.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I did a New Yorker piece making fun of custom. So, like, I just, it became like a gift, you know? And so that was one thing. The Twitter thing, that is messed up. But I basically, I never go on Twitter post Elon, but then I went on because I wanted to see what people on Twitter were thinking about the Epstein files. And so, and then once you're there, you're like, I got to have like an Elon jokes. I joked about how like I, the files felt real just because of how much even the pedophiles didn't want to hang with Elon.

Like that just felt like a real. Oh, yeah. You know? That was one of the favorite parts of the whole. thing was that everybody else was like demure about the island demure and he was just like when am i coming to the island it is everyone's favorite part yeah and they're like uh i don't know no amount of money it's like the most money hungry craven people are still like uh your face is too fat you harsh you harsh the vibe on pedophile island man with more money than all of us combined

so i tweeted about that and then the next day i couldn't get into my account and I tried my password. I was like, Elon sucks, 2026 was my password and it wasn't working. And I was like, maybe this is just

something's up, whatever. Sucks with an X? No, I spelled it correctly. Like a real journalist. Yeah. And then I was like, maybe it was Elon sucks 2025. I'll check tomorrow.

And when I went back to check, like even my, I actually went X dash Jenna Friedman, Jenna with one end. I have to specify because there is a Jenna with two ends in the file. Anyway,

I'll get back to that. to that later, but I had to, and it said account does not exist. And then I felt like Sandra Bullock in the net. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And so then, but then somebody, I post about it. Somebody was like, no, there's this other account like, Cato AI that has all your tweets on it. And it's like, okay.

And then I was able to put up another account with my name because whoever hacked it left my domain name, which is weird. Yeah. So I started a new account. Jenna Friedman. And then I posted and then a couple people were like, Jenna got silenced, follow her. And I was like, hi.

And then I made another joke about Elon. Yeah. And then that account disappeared and became my name with an underscore after it. Like somehow some programmer actually changed my URL. So that was my account. But then I, it like deleted it. And then now my account that has my name is actually restored. So it's weird.

So it's like multiple... Something happened. It's actually hard to explain because it's like not just a hacker. Usually a hacker just comes in, takes your profile and like posts like shitty fishing links. Yeah. But this was like multiple levels of fuckery that I, that I'm like, how do you do this if you're not internally in the company? I think one of the things that haunts me most about the Epstein files is that it shows that these guys, men, that run the world and these institutions seem to really have a massive amount of time on their hands. like you were in the living fuck i thought these guys were all super busy how do they how could they pay attention to you

how could because that means wild that went onto his desk the most the richest man in the world and he said get rid of her to a account like yeah they have like 30 employees compared to their social media site so someone had to individually it feels like that click your account do the thing like not to be anything we're just comedians like on the very base of us yes we're trying to trying to do work, but this idea of like, every time a billionaire tells a comedian to go fuck himself, it makes the comedian a lot of money. It does good stuff for the comedians. It's fucked. But also, I mean, I reached out to Twitter right after and I was like, hey, can you help me with this? And the response is so swiftly like, no. I have it. Saved. It was just like, no.

How we can't prove that you're you. And I'm like, what? Like, yes, you can. I have an ID. I have, you know. And then, I mean, people are like, well, why would you even give any money to Elon? I never gave money to. Elon, that's why I didn't have two-factor authentication if I did get hacked. But also it's like we're comedians like, this is public record. We have to be on here. People are having conversations. Politicians are making statements on here. Thomas Massey just made a statement on X that I couldn't see.

I had to find it somewhere else about the files. So it's like I'm trying to report on what's happening. And it's just crazy that you can have. And I know it's like naive. But in 2009, I made a pact with like Twitter, Jack Dorsey where like I gave them my intellectual property, which is a lot of dumb jokes. I had communications via DM and in a second because of some billionaires whim, all that can be erased, you have no recourse. We have no, like, we have no rights digitally or really in reality too.

I mean, it's funny to talk about digital rights when you're looking at like other shit that we don't ever, I mean like with all the ice shit. This is so small potatoes. But I do think for people listening and just younger generations, we have to assume that like just get offline. like you have no rights. They can take all your data. They will take all your data. Those little... You don't own anything on the internet.

You don't own anything on the internet. They're spying on you. They're listening to it all times. They're just trying to harvest your data. If it's free, you're the product. Yeah. Carol Codwaller, she broke, I think, the Cambridge Analytica story around 2016.

She calls them digital rapists. Yeah. Yeah, I could see that. Yeah. You know, I guess, you know, then you... And now we know they're also actual rapists. Actually, right. Yeah, yeah.

Can we go back to the meta-raping? I feel like it's like fine. You can half my accounts. So you're totally invested in all of this stuff. You're going down the rabbit holes that the rest of us shouldn't have to go down and we appreciate it. Who do you think's going to go down? Like who's really going to go down? Like who's definite?

Wes Wexner? Wexner so old. I think... Did you watch his deposition? I watched the deposition. and I were talking about him we have somebody who wrote like literally wrote a book on on Wexner who she's going to be on the pod that'll be released on Friday but um yes yes I don't I mean it's literally it's either our system goes down or the sitting president goes down and he's either

going to go down by just if we can sweep in the midterms and we have a free and fair election then maybe you know we can do impeachments and subpoenas and like getting you know getting people held accountable. I think Pam Bondi's got to go. Cash Patel's got to go. But he's doing such a good job. I know, right. Christine Nome, you know, they're, they have, they're just, it's, it, they're, they're, those three people aren't really in the files. No, but they're, but they're covering up. And Bondi, I mean, like Bondi's connection, you know, to the, as Florida AG is there, but I mean, Lutnik has to go.

Yes. Like there, there, it is, it is, it is, like, the thing, it's like, you don't want to say

the coverup is worse in the crime, because a crime is one of the worst crimes ever. But the coverup is also a huge crime. Like, the coverup to me is a thing that's, like,

fascinating. Like, there are tons of pedophiles everywhere you look, you know, like, we all came up in comedy. Yes, there are tons. Yes, I got the citizen app.

Oh, my God. Surrounded. The citizen app is overdoing it. I think it's overdoing it. Yeah, you're really, in pedophiles, Three blocks from your house. This guy's $5 to find out who.

This guy's a flasher. That guy's in liquor. It's too much. It's not, that can't be. It can't be like, I'm like, there aren't even that many people in my neighborhood. But your locally sourced farm to table pedophile is like your technically, it's a lot of times it's family friends. It's people connected into the family when it's that level. But now we're also seeing there's another type of pedophile.

They conspiracy theories have talked about for a long time. but now we actually, it actually makes more sense of, like, to be a pedophile, you would need a network. Well, it's very difficult to operate alone to disseminate material and make material. Okay, so there's an entrepreneurial pedophile thing, which I, the conspiracy theory is always, like, freak me out. Like, if you're going down a rabbit hole and off and you're like, the Jews did 9-11, you've got to pull back. Like, you're down too far. It's like, no, everybody benefited from 9-11. Hey, listen, we all liked 9-11.

I'm sure you're fault. your fans are going to be like, they don't understand. They know that the Jewish people were warned and they all left the towers before the plaintiff. We know. That goes right on the Netflix. But like Epstein could have like there are, he could have just been your run of the male pedophile. But it's like the innate all the people who enabled him on every level. Like the New York Times did a really good piece about all the doctors that helped him. When he had like a. an orgy to females. I say female because I, it's so funny. The only other person who says females,

cannibal cop callback, he'd be like the female from, but I don't know if they're of age, so I don't want to call them women. And I don't know if they're girls. I default to child. You default to child? I just default to their kids or they're at least 16.

But there is like that whole thing of like journalistic responsibility. You know what I mean? No, I know. You're much more responsible, but I'm trying to, because it's so easy to miss. step and I'm sure I will misstep. So I'm trying to be as responsible as I can. So if they were of age,

they were of age. But either way, I think that Bruce Moskowitz, I think the doctor from Palm Beach, there's like an email where he tells Epstein, you know, have them get their test at a public health clinic so that I don't have to report them when I report you because he tested positive for gonorrhea and you have to report as a doctor. I don't want their name showing up with your name. And it's like that level of complicity and assistance. Well, just the looking out for Jeff. All of these people looking out for Jeff, which means Jeff was cool. You saw his outfits.

People loved him. Nobody loves Trump. Nobody. Right? We were even joking about this. We're like Epstein has so much support and friendship. He had such a social capital. And yes, he had regular capital.

And you could see how he's paying for gifts for everybody from Kathy Rumler. to, you know, everyone else who's just giving them money. Peggy Siegel was just his friend. His relationships were his currency. Yeah, but he sustained them. That Peggy Siegel stuff is fascinating. Tell me about it, would you?

That is a whole, she's a PR agent and works a lot in the Broadway world. Did she ever invite you to stuff? No, no. I was, so in like 2017 and 18 before the connection, I think the connection between her that I saw was like around the pandemic, because I remember seeing that and being so bummed because somehow I got on Peggy Seagull's

list and I would just get invited to stuff like the VEP premiere, Lady Bird, just randomly and I'm like, what is this? Like, why does she think I'm someone else? Maybe. I mean, but she was the one that said well, she told Epsey number one that like, you know, Timothy Shamillam

a ding dong had to give up his payment for the Woody Allen movie. She was oversharing with him and all these emails. I mean, I haven't done the deep dive on her yet. But like the way that she talked to It was like an overshary publicist. She's doing this all in email, but she's really like... Gossiping.

Gossiping, like crazy. And then forwarding him, like the allegiance that people had to him. So many people would like forward something to him, like that they didn't even have to. Like, they'd have a... Oh, Michael Wolf. Oh, my God, that fucker. I do not like that man. Forwarding stuff to Epstein that you don't even have to.

Epstein's not going to know. It's like he had this power over everyone. And it must have been money, but it must have been something else. Like he could really... Well, he also loved the Lion King. Jeffrey Epstein saw the Lion King. Well, it's a great film. A proxy...

No, the stage play. My toddler's so into that right now. Same. Same taste. Are you saying Julie Tameor? Yes. So, he was obsessed with Julie Tammor's The Lion King. He saw it at least a dozen times. And it was one of the things that he would do

to impress girls where he'd be like, like, take a little children's play, you want to go to Lion King? And then like serendipity

for like, yeah, for the gold leaf ice cream. Yeah, yeah, and then take and then he obviously

then you have to spend time writing quotes from Lolita on their legs. That takes time. You know that. You know that, you know that,

you know that, you know that, you've worked with some of the greats. So he went to, you're saying he went to the Lion King constantly?

Yeah. Yeah, you know, I mean, better than Mary Poppins. You know, I don't want to say. But you know what he said about Trump too, right? He said Trump was like one of the worst people he's ever.

Most evil, yeah. Oh, he's scared of Trump. He was very scared of Trump. Well, he killed him. So it helps. I legitimately think what we're seeing is that, I mean, you know, I'm not going to be careful about it, but I know that they deleted those that last, from the 50 page deposition. 53 pages.

Yeah. About Trump's actual physical actions. Also, people need to know. I didn't mean to cut you up, but people need to know that Trump is not emailing in the files because Trump doesn't email and didn't. email. He's, this is the thing. And he had a falling out with Epstein in around

2000, whenever. I'm not exactly sure, but it was before the emails. The emails are from like 29 to like a little onward, like a decade onto like 2019 or something around then. But Trump's falling out with Epstein was before that and he didn't email. So as much

as he is in the files, he's not as, it's not as indictable because he didn't actually send emails to Epstein himself. He specifically doesn't write things down. Right. Which is obviously the behavior of an innocent president. Right, right. It's mafia shit. Because most presidents want you to remember

every word they say. They have libraries. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They write them all that. And there's guys, there's jobs or to track everything that you say. In Clinton, Bill Clinton's deposition, he said he only, I listened to that as much as I could. You know, I do have a toddler and other work that actually pays me that I have to do. So I'm trying, why are you laughing? Yeah, you do have to not just listen to Bill Clinton and talk for hours.

My poor toddler is just like, mom, I need love. The toddler's going, I feel your pain. I'm like, I don't want him to become one of these guys, so I really do have to give him love. But that was a, now I'm blaming moms for their son, so forget that. Cut, cut, cut. Okay. We know moms are to blame. I'm sorry.

Jen is finally saying some really good stuff on the show. I can't. It's just so nice to have some real uncut talk. What was his mother like? You were talking about Clinton? Oh, yeah. Clinton only sent two, has only sent two emails, according to his deposition. one was to John Glenn when he landed on the moon and the other was to soldiers in Kosovo.

And I was like, what? And because we don't really have like an active like media ecosystem, I'm like reporting on this. So why I'm I'm obsessed with this? It's like I'm, it's also just like it's a way to look at the news. It's a lens through which to look at the news. I've been wanting to talk about politics for for a while. I had my mom died three years ago and I had a kid and it's just been like a kind of heady time for me. So it's like this feels. like a way to talk about the news that's like niche but also everything. So it's like

we can, you know, on the podcast it's like we do the updates just related to Epstein. Like we entered into a war with Iran. Well, how do you connect that to Epstein? Thomas Massey thinks it's a distraction from the files. We're not going to debate whether or not what Epstein's motivation, Trump.

We're not going to debate what Trump's motivations were because it doesn't matter. I mean, judging from the past, something that serves him, probably, but it doesn't matter what his motivations are. It's not going to stop us from doing this thing.

I don't think the Iranian invasion is going to do what he wants it to. I think that a lot of people are already, I mean, like, it was a big deal, and it is a big deal, but I don't believe it's going to distract people from this files. It's not for the files. It's for the election. It's a different...

It's another game. He's trying to keep everyone in office so we don't have to have an election. Right, because war, it's whack. Were we in war for like 20 years and had elections? Well, Republicans do this, you know, this isn't like they start wars, you know. Yeah, he's bombed eight countries. God.

So, I wish, ha, I need an army. I wanted to ask you a question because there's a lot of things about this. Henry's more of an expert. I'm more of a, I need to know things and people need to tell me. What is Melania's real connection to Epstein? Very good question. From what I understand, she was one of the models. I'll say that nicely.

Yeah. A model. Well, there was a whole apparatus of models that they brought over. And they brought over a lot for like nefarious purposes where you think you're coming over, you're coming here for modeling opportunities and then you're trafficked. Yeah. So from what I've seen, she was one of Epstein's girls.

I don't know what that means. and then ended up like there I think there's an email of like the first time she hooked up with Trump on the plane I remember that because that was the term

he came out and he said what a great piece of ass yeah yeah so I mean we know that she modeled yeah but she was like through I believe it was through Epstein

so was she yeah I mean like I don't know I don't know anything else I don't the whole intelligence stuff like is above my like I just it's very hard to corroborate

that. The whole point of like saying someone works for some intelligence agency is like there's no way any of us can corroborate it. Yeah. And they do, they specifically choose sketchy people a lot of times too. So they can't dump them. They can't scrape them off. Yeah. And the allegation of Epstein working for like any intelligence. I do believe, you know, like Hillary in her deposition was like I was targeted by Russia, Russian intelligence. Epstein from again, my understanding is that he didn't need to work for one intelligence agency. He had them. I mean, I don't, I don't. I don't. I don't. I It seemed like he might have, you know, the way that he carried favor with everyone, maybe he did that with intelligence, but I don't think he worked for like one agency.

I don't know. That is like hard for me to say because I'm, I just don't, I haven't seen anything. And also I listened to the interview with Julie K. Brown and David Rebnik. And I'm just parroting what she said. And she's one of the people who's been reporting on this very extensively for a very long time. Now was Trump bankrupt in the 80s and then given money by Russian? potentially mobsters? No.

Well, they were staying in Trump Tower. And the thing about Trump, and I remember, like, hoping that the tax returns would come out, and I do believe there was an Epstein email where he's like, everything's in Trump's taxes. Like, all of, and Trump never releases tax returns. Because it shows that, and then, like, the Trump connection with Deutsche Bank,

the two people who, like, the bankers at Deutsche Bank who, like, died or killed them, there's so much sketchy shit around Trump. I just, I can't believe that he even was able to run, in 2016 with all the dirt on him that was already public record. Well, that was the first thing that busted an idea about you know, massive conspiracy theories in my mind

because I was like, in 2016 I was like, there's no way the capital S system was going to let Trump win. Now, Hillary Clinton was supposed to win, right? Like that was all, if the system really rigs it. Yeah, they asked Bernie for a reason. Yes, Hillary Clinton would have won.

But so obviously there is something to voting that is in there that they can somehow like the TV man won. That's how we won is that he was literally ubiquitous with pop culture for about 40 years. And then we kind of maybe we seem to have uneducated ourselves to a point as a society where we were just like TV man's fun. I want TV man to be president man. Yeah. There was also, I mean, there was mainstream reporting that came out so don't shoot the messenger about like Kremlin backed money supporting Bernie's campaign.

Just dividing the left. Oh, sure. Just to divide the left. Oh, he probably didn't even know where that money came from. Do you think that maybe like $33, so it's fine? It went towards his suit. I'm also asking the Russian intelligence. That's not a simple money.

I like poor suit. What am I supposed to do? I wonder if we're actually in a better spot because obviously we aren't Russia or China yet, right? Our media in many ways is a really hard genie to get back in the bottle. Our independent way of talking out to the internet and do is actually extremely difficult to clamp down now. So we have more information than ever, which is part of the reason why I think the current con with the Iranian invasion and all these guys coming out and talking and literally not giving us a reason why and just kind of blowing it all through. I think that the hypocrisy itself is finally starting to sort of come to the surface because there's just there's too much information accessible. for us to not see that you're wrong and you're lying.

Okay. So I think a couple things. I think our media ecosystem is very broken and potentially beyond repair. And I think part of that has to do with the fact that it's so fragmented. When you have people like Joe Rogan and Andrew Schultz forming public opinion, it's really, really scary.

But it seems like the problem then is the problem not the public that they're forming around them. Well, we're not an educated population. We don't have media literature. which is huge. And, you know, like, I want to agree with you that, like, people can have access to information, but there's information overload, they're unreliable messengers. And then, like, with what happened on Twitter, it's like our platforms can just be taken away in a heartbeat.

So there's, the local news apparatus is going away. But that's really, like, people digging in their communities, having trusted sources and, like, working together. I mean, all that's kind of going away. Like, the cable news, the local news, local news, but the local news, being gutted is a really is really bad for democracy. And so yeah, people might have access to information. You know, it could be information overload where then they just tune out because there's just too much misinformation and it's really hard to sift through. And again, that's partly why I started the part because I'm like going into the files

and I'm like, I'm going crazy. And then I'd go on Twitter and I'd see some AI shit and I would fall for it. And I'd be like, I feel like this for someone who is like emotionally vulnerable, like this could trigger psychosis. Yeah. People and then, you know, and then I just had to step back and bring on a journalist and be like, okay, like, let's just focus on, like, what are the indictable claims? Like, what are the, what can we investigate? What can we put pressure on to unredact things? Get the actual information out there. Investigate the claims and then prosecute the people who are criminals. Yeah. Hold them accountable. Now, when it comes to Trump, doesn't he not have full immunity? because of what got passed right before he became president?

Well, yeah, he's, well, I think it's supposed to be immunity for acts considered under the guise of the presidency. Okay. All right. So he doesn't have just full presidential immunity, like all presidents you can't arrest anymore. Right, right. You can indict us any president. I don't know. But also, I mean, good luck.

Seriously. But I don't think it's, I mean, when I say that this is going to take Trump down, I think if it's going to take him down, it's going to be by, like, you know, flipping like the House and the Senate and the midterms. And then if that doesn't happen, I don't, I just don't know. I mean. I think it's going to die. Yeah. Yeah, time. I forgot about time.

I forgot about father time. Father time. I think that father time is the really only thing that can really come into play here. And I think that thankfully, because normally bastards live forever. Like my fucking piece of shit cunt grandmother lived until she was 95 years old. She just hung on. I heard Cheney's back alive. Yeah.

I think that's. Cheney's alive. But I think that, yeah, normally, people with no souls live for a long time, but I do also think that he's just so unhealthy that there's only so much evil that can keep him alive. We'll see. His father lived to, what, 95 or something? But at least by then, he really was just tapioca with pubic hair. I mean, but he can, Trump can, that's great. That's a great visual.

Sable as a beautiful Siberia. horse. Yeah. But I also think like worse than Trump are like J.D. Vance and Teal and they're kind of like running the ship. So. Teal's the most terrifying person

in this country. He's terrifying. Nothing will. And the only thing that cartons me is that none of them were a television producer though. J.D. Vance is going to get torn to pieces. Well, that's where I think the files come back in. You know what I mean? That's where it's like when Trump is out of the picture, like

no one else who doesn't have Trump's appeal can just justify any of this shit. It's going to be difficult. And that's why we need the rock. That's right. And I hope that Dwayne Johnson can take up the torch and be the next

unbelievably crooked president. I have one final question for you, Jenna. October 14th in Florida is now Charlie Kirk Remembrance Day. How will you be celebrating? Oh my God. Are you trying to get me death threats? Okay,

wait. We did it all. this episode. Hey! Who is Charlie Kirk? Thank you. Because if I were like a professional media troll, I was just like, who are you talking about? I miss the news that day. I don't know who that is. I'll answer your question with another question.

What is a woman? I mean, I live in California. It's like whatever you want it to be. I mean, whatever. Wow. That's incredible. You're so lucky. Thank you so much, Jenna, for coming by. Jenna Friedman. Listen to the Epstein Files Book Club. It's available wherever you listen to

podcast with Elise Hugh. Jenna Friedman on Instagram and of course, Motherfucker. Go see Motherfucker. It's going to be in L.A. on April 8th and Austin on April 10th. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you so much Jenna. Thank you, Jenna.

Live from North Lane. Well, how about that, huh? 40 minutes of pure Epstein. I can talk about it for longer. I could keep going. I need that like basic, baseline info that we just got. That's very important for me.

I feel like I advanced past like... We did. I'm just starting. I'm just reading his emails and like I'm pretending I'm him. But also funnily enough, she brought up the whole dental angle. Yes. And I think that that is going to be a massive part of this story. With Karina Shuliac connecting all of these. Because like I was just researching another thing that they were talking about another

massive pedophile that would use dental care as a way to get in. And this makes a lot of sense for young women. I remember I remember when I met Natalie she was suffering from

horrific dental problems. And that was like one of those things where it was really hard for her and was so fucking expensive. And everything's out of pocket if you don't have the insurance. And so I think that he would find beautiful women. I think He would find beautiful women.

Dental hygienist? Yes. But I think he would use it on beautiful women. I would say, I'm going to make your teeth good so you can be a model. I was going to say, because dental hygienists are notoriously very attractive. Yeah? Yeah. I actually, you know, yeah.

Right? Sometimes. I think so. I actually find, my dental, the hygienists I work with are more so, like, older. Yeah. So older women. Well, you know, tenure. Well, yeah.

You're like a season woman. All right, let's get into one listener email. I love listener emails. Do we have a stinger? Sorry, I threw that on your eye. Good work. I got this one that we really liked. You know, the whole deal is fine.

Let's do it again. We don't get to always do one. Are you ready, Eddie? Yes. Are you horny, Henry? Yes. Sure. Now it's time more listener email.

Yons. we got one of these, we had actually a bunch of these on this subject about the 11 year old being tried as an adult. Okay. There's some people that have I definitely saw some people were like, oh, he should have treatment and not jail. I understand. Yes.

But I also got several emails that I thought were interesting that were basically being like 11 year olds are dangerous. So are you going to read the ones that make you sound right or the ones that make me sound right? That's the best part. So I could do anything I want. But no, this is like, this is interesting.

It's because really it was just more about juveniles tried as an adult. Yeah. I do found, dude, it really depends on where you're at. In Florida, I remember when my buddy was murdered by another young man, that guy was tried it as adult, but he like tied him to a tree and shot him in the head. And so that was like... The government? No.

Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, great. Pleep his name. I don't need him coming to find me again. Yeah, come on. Let's get it. I think he's out now. Grow good. Oh, let's have him on the show.

So just one to let you know about the case of Clayton Deeds, the 11-year-old who confessed to killing his father, can be transferred to juvenile court. It's currently an adult court because in the state of Pennsylvania, all murder charges, regardless of the age of the offender, start an adult court. Most states have a minimum statutory age in which a person can be tried as an adult. And the youngest age any state is written into law is 12. Okay. Pennsylvania is the only state that automatically sends all homicides to adult court. And if somebody under the age of 15 is convicted as an adult, the maximum sentence allowable is life with the possibility of parole after 25 years. So essentially, this is an example.

In 2009, an 11-year-old Pennsylvania boy was initially charged as an adult with killing his dad's fiancee. But that was when he, then he was sent to juvenile court where he was found delinquent and sent to a juvenile facility. where he has to stay until the age of 21. So this is one of those. It goes back and forth. He will be essentially tried as an adult, and then he could be sentenced as an adult, but they essentially, what they'll do is no matter what,

he will be put in a youth wing or in a very high, high security juvenile center until he's like 18. Then he goes. Well, he said 21. That's one case. That was a previous case. Oh, okay. And he probably will go to like 18, then go to jail up until the 25-year marker hits, and then he can go up for parole.

Yeah, so at earliest, he's getting out of 36. Yes. If he gets it. If they throw the book at him. Oh, man. No fucking chance in a decent life. No. Damn.

No. But, hey, you know, the problem is that he, I do, I've come around a little bit more about the idea that obviously kids don't know what they're doing. I know kids don't know. Adults don't know what they're doing. You don't have a fucking solid brain until you're 25 years old. I completely understand that. It's just what do you do? And several emails also said about the idea that kids are kind of intense right now.

Very much so. Very much. You know what the crazy part about this is? Is if he missed, almost nothing would happen. Yeah. If he missed, we would probably wouldn't even know about it. The dad would have just taken the gun from him and fucking putting it back in the suitcase slapped him around a little bit.

Is that what you do? I feel like that. I think if a kid fires a gun at you, you're allowed to hit it. You can hit him? You think of that one time. Wow, I'm going to love to get this email. I can't wait for these email. Side stories, L-P-O-T-L at gmail.com.

When's it okay to hit a child? When they fire a gun at you. Actually, you know what? My dad hit me exactly once, and it was when I pulled the steering wheel out of his hand, and I still think he's right. Yeah, you know, it's one of those. Like, we were driving. I pulled the steering wheel.

We almost crashed. He hit me. I never pulled the steering wheel out of anyone else's hand the rest of my life. I have no intentions of doing that, even to the rudest Uber drivers. I was watching something last night. What was I watching? Or it was like kids attacking somebody when I was doing that. They're like, no, no, this would have happened if someone gave one of the children a whoop.

That's what they need to do is give his child a whoop. I know. No, no. Obviously, don't hit kids. I did a whole fucking thing about it. My thing is if he shot at you and he missed, yeah, I guess you do have to, you do have to beat him within an inch of his life only just because you can't come for the king and miss.

That's the thing. Never try to kill your father and not get it. You better kill me, son. Remember. Or do you tell him that? Or do you take the gun and play Russian roulette with the son, right? And you tell him you're playing Russian roulette, but you lie to him, right?

Yeah. And you set it all up and then you get him ready and you make him pull it a couple of times. And then until you're certain that it would be one bullet left, right? And he's crying and he's crying and he's crying stuff. And then you take the gun under his hands and he's like, this is why you don't fuck with your father. There you go. See?

And people said we... And you didn't hit him. You didn't hit him once. You should be a dad. You know how many people tell Henry and I that we should be dads? I agree with him. We have these type of conversations all the time. We have made the right decision to not be fathers.

Stop trying to convince Henry not to be fathers. Also, this is us as single fathers. You have to remember, this is us with no feedback. Also, yeah. I mean, yeah. So I, but I do find it crazy that if he missed, he still would have the same. intention. What? He'd get a stern talking to for me. I know, but I'm just saying his whole life

is destroyed because he's a good shot. Yeah, that is the main issue. Could have been John Wick. Yes. Yes, the main issue. No, he did it at point blank. He wasn't a good shot. Yeah. Well, I fucking still hope for the best for this little fucker. I'm afraid of him. But I was still afraid of him. Don't want him in the room. But I do want someone who cares to take care of him. He's just very obviously an 11 year. He's just very obviously an 11 year old boy. And he probably should, there's got to be something else going in there. And we also, I still don't think anything necessarily happened to the father. I don't think the father did anything.

I did get also an interesting email from somebody that fosters kids. I think his prison nickname should be Scary Potter. Cute. That's fun. You hear that prison? Yeah, call him Scary Potter. That's for free. Call him scary Potter.

Tell him Eddie said you. Enjoy. But also, someone said in the foster system, you can also see the kid, was adopted, there are kids that are, it is, they have known nothing but betrayal from adults. You know, there is that. If you've been adopted, you've been

betrayed by somebody. And now you're been found and you're loved, but you had to deal with somebody saying, I don't want you know it anymore. And I think that that is hard. It is hard. And the foster system, you know, it's a very thankless place where a lot of

people take advantage of everything. And then even the fucking band sucks. Oh, yeah. Foster the people? Who tell me. Garbage. Also, I'm not fostering people. Yeah.

You know? No, I foster the children. Foster the dogs. Even a cat, if you have to. Wow. Not people. Assholes. Well, it's been a great episode.

Last comic book on the left is a new thing out, right? Go check that out. Go and get last comic book on the left. We are, honestly, over at Z2 Comics. This is the fun. It has nothing to do with me. Nothing to do with him. It has nothing to do with me.

But. I forgot how good this shit is. Go pre-order it right now. Can you tease what's in it at all? What stories are we reading about? The incredible conclusion to my story on Detective Popcorn that we did with the incredible writer, Elliot Roja. How long has the cliffhanger been?

Dude, you'll see. Like, no, what I'm saying? When the last thing come out? Like, it's got to be like four years. Yeah. Long time. This is like since before my tenure. Yeah, bro.

So people have been waiting for this shit. Yeah. So you go out there and you're going to get this. This is the conclusion to the whole thing. Last comic book on the last. left four. Is it available in stores? Do they have to go to some weird

crickick website where they can only watch like three guys, one hammer? You got to go to Z2comcom. Go and Google it. Check it out. You'll get it. Last comic book on the left, volume four, Z2comics.com. Also, we got a really fun thing happening in two weeks. This is extremely

limited. So if you want to be a part of this, jump on top. Tickets are on sale. On March 25th, Henry and I are leading two tours. through the Mystic Museum. It's going to be out here in Burbank. We're literally, it's going to be, you can get tickets at the mysticmuseum.com,

the mysticmuseum.com for tickets. Get them there. We're leading two tours at 630 and 7.30. It's like 15 people each tour. Dude, it's going to be fun. It's going to be very hard to get these tickets. If you want to come see this, it's going to be really stupid. We take you through a bunch of horror movies and we're going to make fun of it.

It's going to be a blast. We're going to have Eric from the Mystic Museum is going to be walking around with us. So whenever we say something incorrect, you'll correct. us. It's going to have, so we're going to have a lot of fun. Come and check it out. It's going to be very chaotic. Get very high.

Maybe eat some mushrooms. There's some scary shit in there. You'll be scared. There's lots of like bloody scenes from horror movies. It's very silly. We're going to have a blast doing this. That's going to be in Burbank at the Mystic Museum, March 25th at 630 and 730. Get your tickets at the mysticmuseum.com.

And also the week after that, on Good Friday, you can check out Amber and I at the lyric, Hyperion. that's going to be on April 3rd at 7 p.m. Go and get tickets there. Also, crime wave at sea is happening. Dude, come out to Crime Wave and C. 2.0. We are going to have so much fucking fun. You can pay for it over the year.

Come and join us on the high seas. Last year we did it. It was a fucking blast. It was insane. I think we got a lot of repeat customers. So it's going to be, we're definitely going to be switching up our show. It's not going to be the same thing we did last year. Oh, yeah.

We're doing an entirely different thing. We're going to have so much fun. Crime wave. It's crime weight at sea.com slash last. That's right, baby. Go get that shit. Indian Urbana. We'll see you this weekend.

I can't wait to fucking eat your sausage and party and poop up all your bathrooms. It's going to be a blast. Oh, and I want to give a nice shout out. We have a new employee here inside stories. Pat Barker joining us, helping us with research and some humor. Thank you, buddy, for coming on board. I'm very excited to see what would happen. As you can see, we're already better, aren't we?

Yes, we're already better. I think we did nothing that he gave us. Nothing. That's great. It's a good investment. That's life. We're going to like, we'll be back. I still love him.

We'll be back in there. Don't you worry. You live every day knowing for a fact. Side stories comes every week no matter what you do, right? And you're going to laugh at us. You're going to laugh at us because we're the funniest thing on Netflix since Come and See. And you're just going to just love giving it up to Jennifer Edmund. Oh, man.

I love you guys. Bye. everybody. Be good to yourself. Hail Tommy Takaro. The great voice of Boston the band. He died. That first album rocks. It's all hits. I feel like the first time. Dude, I love that fucking song. It's a musical journey through sex. Tommy Takarlo. Adios. You had a beautiful high pitched voice. I hope you finally lose your virginity in heaven.