Last Podcast On The Left - Side Stories: Sovereign Citizens

Episode Date: October 4, 2018

Ben and Henry dish on the latest true crime goss: Rose West competes in the Great British Prison Bake Off, an Oregon man foils the FBI with the world's biggest game of Mouse Trap, and an AutoZone employee does more than is required at a Queens crime scene. Take the cannoli. Triple L. Test out Gabi for free at http://gabi.com/SIDESTORIES

So you don't listen to a lot of sad dance music? How can it be sad and dance music? That doesn't make any sense. Have you ever been to a goth night in any way, shape, or form? I mean, every eighth grade school dance, but it wasn't themed to goth night, it was just what the dance was. No, you've never been to, like, at a bar, you never went to an 80s night, you've never been to a themed dance night.

I've been to an 80s night, there's nothing goth about flock of seagulls, there's nothing more. Honestly, there is, though. It is very flamboyant. They are very flamboyant. Goth is a very romantic style. I would not, maybe not, they're technically new wave. I'd put them new wave in that world, because they should always show up on channel 33 on

my lithium. Boy George. On my serious exam on my car. Boy George is a, you know, a flamboyant performer. Elton John, flamboyant performer. Goth is not flamboyant. I would argue Alice Cooper is more flamboyant than goth music. Goth is very flamboyant.

I don't think that's- You just haven't spent long enough time in the world. I don't know. But if you had, and went and spent any time within the goth community, the sheltering world of the fishnet-handed goth community, you would be able to go and you would see that sad dancing is a thing. Sad dancing is- Uh-huh.

It's peanuts. You see what I'm doing? You see how it's like- I understand. Well, I don't want to wear fishnets. People are going to confuse me for a large tuna or something like that. This Inside Stories. Haha!

Very good. This Inside Stories. I am Ben. That is Henry Zabrowski. Man. Ooh. If you were just a big-bellied tuna. Okay.

Are you hungry? That would be such a good get. I'm incredibly hungry. Okay. Well, we shouldn't do the show when you're hungry because you just start fantasizing me as food that you want to currently eat. I'm better as a comedian when I'm hungry. I don't know.

All right. You're better at your culinary bits. Yes, I will give you that. Last night, I was watching Halloween issues of Chopped. Because Chopped is not doing Halloween stuff. Of course. They're jumping in. And Martha Stewart, who's had some work done.

Oh, leave her alone. I love Martha. You love that criminal? Honestly, I do too. Honestly, she was totally railroaded. She didn't do anything wrong. But yeah, I do love Martha Stewart. I always have.

And I loved her more after that wrongful conviction. Yes. I think your revisionist history is more than anything. No, I'm not. She was not inside or trading. Out of all the people that were inside or trading, Martha Stewart did not need to go away. All she does is give us great sheets and great recipe ideas.

And it was also extremely funny and great friends with Snoop Dogg. What she does, her best part of her is her relationship with Snoop Dogg. But I will say she is an elitist. No, she's not. She's just trying to create an elitist lifestyle that people have a hard time keeping up with. But I will say they did this thing last night where they had blood soup as one of the ingredients to the chop basket, which I had never heard of before. And it's a blood-based broth with spiced cubes of blood in it, like these big, like, edible

blood. And I was like, whoa. Yikes. Well, that would be one of the only times on shop I wouldn't want to be one of the judges. That's for sure. But speaking of food, we have a quick update here. We talked last week about this fig tree that supposedly grew out of the tummy of a man. But evidently, after some research, this story has been debunked.

We always want to bring you the truth here. It turns out the tree was growing on a beach, not in the mountains, and the tree definitely hadn't sprouted from human remains. So we bought the story. It's a fun story, but evidently, it's not true. So that's unfortunate. What? And why don't we have fact checkers on staff?

I don't know. It's just you and I. Yes. Occasionally, we'll say something that will prove us wrong. Well, normally, I just grab whatever I see, and I believe everything first. Yeah. That's one of the problems happening with our society currently in many, many ways. No.

But it's true. Yes. But at the same time, I view it also, it's a fun way of looking at your life. Sure. It's like, I'm looking things and then open to mind a lot of the times. The fig tree thing doesn't really, I'm not going to say it doesn't matter to me, but I feel like of all of the things in the world that could have been like, well, sure, yeah, maybe we're wrong about the fig tree.

I don't know. Who knows? All right. Also, this is kind of interesting. Obviously, we did our episode last week on Last Podcast and the Left Proper about the Flat Earth and Flat Earthers. And Kyrie Irving, I mentioned how Kyrie Irving was a Flat Earther, and he's really like, he was kind of one of the more famous Flat Earthers, and he has recently apologized.

But it's pretty hilarious how he ended up apologizing. Yeah. I really want to hear, I want to hear his statement. You said you're joking, and then you weren't joking. So which is it? Which side are you on? Well, I mean, hopefully after this, I'm done answering. Good.

Let's clear it up for good. You never have to be asked again. No, for good. I think people are going to ask me regardless, but I think, I think the, the, like what you say, what you do, and how you mean it, at the time, I was like, huge in the conspiracies. Everybody's been there. Everybody's been there like, yo, what's going on with our world? You know, like you click the YouTube click, and it goes like, how deep the rabbit hole

goes. It's like, yo, you start telling all your friends like, yo, did you see that? Watch this video. I'm telling you. And at the time, it was like, I, you know, you're like, innocent in it, but you realize the effect of the power of voice and even if you believe in that, it's like, you just, you know, go, I don't come out and say that stuff. That's for intimate conversations because perception when I receive, it just changes.

Like, no, I'm actually a smart ass individual. Like, yeah. So it's not like, it's not like I was just coming out and saying that, so it was like at the time, just didn't realize the effect. And I was definitely at that time, like, I'm a big conspiracy theorist, you can't tell me anything. Right. So yeah, I'm sorry about all that, you know, for science teachers, everybody coming up

to me like, you know, I got to reteach my whole curriculum. I'm sorry. I apologize. So this is, it was an interesting apology because first of all, I think he still believes the earth is flat. The thing he apologized for was saying it publicly and it's saved for intimate conversation, which makes me feel like this is pillow talk and some really bizarre relationship. I mean, technically in my relationship, it's at the end of the night.

It's right after anything that would have happened. You know what I will say is I actually think it's kind of a breath of fresh air. I don't care if he believes in it. It's kind of what we were talking about when we did the episode. I don't care what he believes when it comes down to it. It's about your perspective. I believe in the idea of the sort of a chaos magic approach to life where if living on a flat earth helps you gain access to the magic juju you need in order to make money

who men and women and get power in this great world of ours, then sure, then do that don that cap, if you will, if it makes you feel good. As long as you don't trample over us globers too hard, you know, that's the only split side to that. He's allowed to believe whatever the hell he wants to believe and I believe in the idea of what used to be a healthy expression of researching into conspiracy theory and the idea of conspiracy, I believe in questioning our government and again, it comes back to and things that people tell us and what the history books say.

That's a whole idea that's a part of I think teachers should be teaching. Like maybe if you don't believe necessarily everything I say you should do your own research. Everybody should go out there and find the base for their own claims. But at the same time, you do need to have a sort of standard set of facts that are agreed upon in order to have a society. You know, it's interesting because I don't know, I'm now reading The Dispossessed by Ursula K. Le Guin and a part of what they talk about is this, it's, again, it's a deep into a sci-fi book so it's difficult to explain the total plot but essentially like anarchists

left this planet called Uras which is similar to our planet Earth where they call them propertarians. These people that believed in commerce and rules and like having laws and it was a ambitious society built towards economic success and so a breakaway civilization of true anarchists who did not believe in permanent rules or laws or and but also did not believe in money and these people went and lived on this this other world where they lived in sort of like a utopia but not close to the technological advantages that it Uras had. Well, basically they're Anaris, their planet sends their top scientists to go live on Uras and like learn the ways of the propertarians, right?

It's always fun until you're lining up to drink the flavorade my friend. That is the only because society, we're not gonna get it but anyway that's very interesting to us and also- But I didn't even get to my point. Okay, point, point. Part of it is but understanding that maybe having a fluid idea of the general reality of life can maybe even help you but the problem is about how you react to people saying that you are wrong.

To me it's like you could say a lot of things about how I shouldn't eat foie gras and I would be like yeah whatever the fuck it is that you want sure I'm gonna eat it and do whatever but I'm also not forcing you to do it, I'm also not going to have a histrionic response to you telling me to not eat foie gras like with the flat earthers and the way they attack their criticizes. Yes, and tell people to throw blood on you as you're walking down the street and get your actual shoes that he does have ladies and gentlemen the Kyrie Irving sneakers which are badass shoes, you know that becomes a little bit more of a problem.

I'll fucking catch it in my mouth dude, you always gotta flip it. Ah yes, love it, just learn to love it. You know what, you didn't even realize that's what I wanted today. Thank you. Thank you so much. All right. We also, we have to do a little Casey Anthony update. She is, she found herself under deposition, she's going through a civil case right now.

Roy Crunk, you remember Roy Crunk Henry? Oh yeah. He was the one that found the body, he was the one that found the little girl who was just sticking around me like there's a skull up in here, it's a, oh man, I was hoping it would be a skull astray but instead it's the skull of a little girl. All right, well nonetheless Roy Crunk, he is suing Casey Anthony and her lawyers because they maligned him. They were looking for any scapegoat possible and Roy Crunk was one of those people who

escaped goaded and under deposition she had to talk a lot about the case and we have some new revelations regarding her desire. I don't believe this was actually under oath but this talk was talked about in an interview. She has officially come around to the idea Henry of having a child once again. Before she said I don't want to do it, independent life, but now she might want to be a mother again. Yeah, because the worst part in the world was that if I got too old and if I get too old and I have a baby and then it's like autistic and then I have to kill it again.

Honestly, Casey, if you do have a kid, you got, you got one chance, you cannot do that again. Right, like you can't do that ever again. I have a, this is now, maybe this is delving into the world of my personal erotic mythos, right? But we get O.J. Simpson and her to have a baby, right? That is our reality show, that's the show, but the only way to push it is that we got to get O.J. Simpson over into, we got to get, we got to get him together and we got him

to agree on it. We got to take some money up front, which is what I think is that we take a year of what we've earned from last podcast from now. Save it. Give it to Casey Anthony, do you have O.J. Simpson's baby? So you want to, you sort of want to be equated with like the guy who produced bumfights. You want to sort of be in that world of everyone's like, oh, these guys are really horrible, scummy producers.

We used to like their podcast, but now we don't like them anymore because they're exploiting two killers. Exploiting them. Or the victims of the killers, either there's a lot of exploitation to go around. If we have them start working in a hospital or shadowing like paramedics. You want O.J. Simpson and Casey Anthony, your, your mother is in there. Let's say your, your wife, your future wife is in there. She's a little sick and you find out Casey Anthony is the nurse.

I would be my problem is that I, it would be on brand for both of us to go like, oh dip, oh, oh shit, I can't believe you here girl. No, I, um, obviously it's very controversial, but I think that it's about what can we learn on the other side. We got to embrace the controversy, see our way through it. Like Chavoc says in the dispossessed, pain must be fully endured in order to see the other side of it. And that's where true living in consciousness is.

Well, I'm not really understanding the analogy there in. I don't know. Yeah. I don't know why I'm saying it. It doesn't really relate at all to giving two killers a reality television show that then theoretically we would make money off of. I, the idea in the end, we're flipping it. We just start the show again.

We just start the show and I go as like Mr. X. Okay. That's producing it. Um, Cavalier, Milagio, that will be my fake producer name, right? And Cavalier, Milagio only speaks via like those Skype things where we can't see them talk on the other end, right? I have a voice changer and I talk like this to them. No one has an idea.

It's me. So you had, you had throat cancer for you after years and years of smoking. Like leave on help. Okay. Poor, poorly. Oh yeah. Don't bring. Oh, sad.

But it's sad. Dirt farmer. But we get the show going and then we sell it. And then, you know what we do? This is called the Hegelian dialectic. Using the podcast, we then create a movement against the show where we then protest the show as ourselves after we've started it, which is what the government does all the time.

Oh yeah, of course. And then we now control the opposition to it. We're getting, we're getting crams on both side. We're getting fucking duckets from all ends. I love it. This is me just spitballing. No, I actually really like it. It's what the Russians did.

It's what we do now. Everyone loves the FBI and the CIA. The government couldn't be happier with the current situation occurring. I totally understand what you're saying. Once again, I do think it would hurt our brand, because inevitably we would be found out as both the perpetrators and the people against the reality program that we did put on air that we are making a lot of money off of. I think people might just get mad.

True fans will understand the coup that we have created. And then what they will then know is that we can flip this upwards towards the government. Because I mean, if anybody could make Mueller look like a rock star, like with like an idea that we're all rooting for this guy, it's very, very interesting for us. I love German inspectors. I've always, there's nothing wrong that can happen there. You come from a long line. Okay.

Well, let's talk about the FBI story. This story, Henry brought my attention. Henry brought this story to my attention, and this one is just hilarious. It involves a wheelchair and a series of other things. So long story short, there was a man. Police were called to the home of Gregory Rodvill, who had been ordered to turn over his property after his mother and her guardian filed a lawsuit against him for elder abuse. According to the website that you could get for Oregon Live.

Can I stop you there? I just have a question. This man is 67 years old. Isn't it just like peer abuse? Is it still elderly abuse if you're in the same ballpark? I do not know. I do not know. But he had a $2.1 million judgment facing it.

So he was facing this. He was supposed to turn over his house. So, but this is also, this was not this guy's first brush with the law. In 2017, the then 66 year old got into an armed standoff with officers on an Arizona highway in Surprise, Arizona, police said in a news release, which is really fun. It took him two hours, three hours for him to finally surrender, and then he was placed in a custody. So what, a reason I don't really understand, okay?

So he was in jail up until then, then they released him for two weeks, so we could return to his home, prepare the property to be forfeited. Okay. So in that two weeks, he somehow completely booby trapped his entire house. So when the county official showed up to go and inspect the place, to see how much it's worth, try to get the money, there was a sign that was just written out on his driveway that said, it was a warning of improvised devices, right? That if you go and try, go out to this land, it is booby trapped.

So he warned you. I mean, are we talking like, is there going to be a vaudeville act or some sort of free range jazz performance? Is Drew Carey along with whose line? Is it anyway going to show up? What they did was, the first was a walk up to a car that they went and looked at that had the door was connected to these two mounted animal traps. What?

These were traps that could snap your hands if you open up the door of the car. But hold on. But the whole place is filled. Those were visible? They were visible. Okay. But the whole point of booby trapped is that it's supposed to be hidden. And then you find yourself in Vietnam, you're like, there's a lot of bamboo around here

and what's that smell? I'm going to die now. Home alone, falsely educated our entire generation. It does not only take three or four hours to booby trap your house. He only had two weeks, but the one thing he did have is so they walked up to the house and there was a tripwire attached to a hot tub that had been rolled up on its side on top of the hill that led up to the front door of the house. So if you clicked it the wrong way, if you walked over the tripwire and hit it, the huge

spa would roll down the hill at you like an Indiana Jones. Yeah, like the game mouse trap. I swear to God, he based this entire thing off of mouse trap. He is very technically smart, but not kind of and then finally would finally happen. What ended up getting him in quite a bit of trouble is that they opened the doors of the house and there was a wheelchair. They did not see that was rigged with some kind of device that had shotgun shells attached to it.

The FBI agent moved, they moved the fucking wheelchair, it exploded and shot him in the leg. Oh my God. And so now it's very, very interesting because police found Rodvelt near a grocery store later that day to go pick him up where he told them, I wouldn't race right into that house of mine, which to me is just another example like we did with killdozer of a reasonable man forced to do unreasonable things. Yes, I suppose so.

And just to put a button on the elder abuse lawsuit, it turns out he lost, he lost that. It turns out he was indeed committing acts of elder abuse, so it was a bad week for this person. It was a bad week. I don't fully understand why he was let out of prison specifically to get the house ready for auction. It seems like a little strange to me after the standoff and surprising that he lived through the standoff and surprised Arizona to begin with being that there's no way that

anyone could consider this man to be like of the utmost rational state of mind. My question is that, is the mayor of surprise Arizona, is he like Mr. Miskwitzput? You remember that weird creature from Superman cartoons? Oh yeah. Is he like the Riddler? He could be. Is he always just going like, ehh, deception's abound? Like is he always deceiving people?

I don't know. I don't really understand. He always jumping out of closets and shit, that's gotta be frightening, especially to the maids, because you never know when he's gonna pull a Schwarzenegger and put a baby inside. Oh my goodness. It says here, according to heavy.com, Gregory Rodveld is a self-avowed sovereign citizen. And then a part of it is that he brandished a gun at somebody on the street, which is

why he had to stand off with the police, and then he ended up being charged with aggravated assault with a deadly weapon, resisting arrest, failure to comply with the police, and three counts of failure to mark explosives. But he is a straight up, or he's a member of the sovereign citizen movement. And how can you be a member? This is the thing, when you see a bite gang, and we're like, the lone wolves, it's like you're not a lone wolf, you're part of, you can't have, you can't be plural at the end of a lone or sovereign, you can't be part of a sovereign citizen group.

That doesn't make any sense. Well this is very, this is, I like the way they're putting this. Alright, so J.J. McNabb, an anti-government extremism researcher, said that Rodveld is part of the sovereign citizen movement. Alright, his 2017 arrest was listed in a report McNabb put together on anti-government extremist violence and plots. McNabb says that a sovereign citizen is, quote, someone who believes that he or she is above

all laws. Sovereign citizens are true believers. They generally entered the movement by buying into a scam or conspiracy theory that not only promised them a quick fix to their problems, but wrapped such solutions in a heavy layer of revolutionary rhetoric. Just as sovereign feels the flush of excitement and self-importance that comes from acting as the David to the US government's client, they know with all of their hearts and souls that their research is correct, that their cause is just, and that anyone who disagrees

with them is a criminal who deserves to be punished. Uh oh, well I will say this, I do, I hold in high esteem people who take on the government and win, our government has done some horrible things, obviously it's difficult to win against the government because they have endless amounts of money and it's our money. So that's kind of a strange thing. You're always kind of fighting against your own bank account when you go against the government. But the one issue I do have with this guy is I don't understand why they gave him two weeks to decorate his house so they could sell it better.

I don't really understand when he became like a hope. What's the name of those people who go into houses and set them for like a realtor, like a realtor does that? Are you mean like, um, like, uh, love it or list it? Or like house slippers? Yeah, like uh. Yeah, he's going there with the Magnolia team. They get the big letters on the wall, him and fucking Jojo outfitting it with all the

ship lap because you really want to make it look good. It also apparently he, in 2016, uh, uh, Rodville and his dog were shot by his friend after they got into an argument, um, about Rodville became angry. Okay. This is pretty funny. This man is a Rodville was, I love these kind of guys. It's like a Joe exotic character popping out of nowhere. Rodville was a victim of a shooting in 2016 in Port Ludlow, Washington.

According to a report from the time in the peninsula daily news, Rodville and his dog were shot by his friend during an argument that broke out while they were drinking and shooting guns. Rodville was shot in the shoulder. The dog survived. Oh, good. Carson told police he didn't mean to shoot Rodville, a friend that he hadn't seen in about 20 years, but he was just trying to scare him.

Police at Rodville and Carlson went up to a wooded area to drink and do some shooting when they began fighting. According to the peninsula daily news, Rodville became angry that Carson Carlson was driving too slow and they began to argue Rodville then punched Carlson's right eye according to the report. When they returned back to Carlson's your attempt like structure, Carlson told Rodville to leave and he went to bed. And then when he came out there, Carlson told the police when he woke up Rodville's truck

was still there and Carlson then said he grabbed the shotgun and when Rodville returned, he fired it in the general direction of Rodville and his dog. And Rodville ran for cover and it turns out I will say police said Carlson poured gin into a Gatorade bottle and sat down to wait for police to arrive. That's my favorite thing about the story. I will say if it hits the person, it's a little bit more than the general direction. It's like the specific direction of the person that you are aiming at. It is funny when sovereign citizens get together because I'm just going to say it.

They don't make the best of friends. I don't know what they talk about and obviously they fight quite often. It was the same thing with the Flat Earth people. It's like how you all trust in each other. When I listened to these group, I was listening to how many group fucking discussions I listened to of five Flat Earthers all talking to each other and being like how do you even agree to have friendship? Right.

If you can't agree on anything, if you are above all laws, like what about the laws of loving a friend? That's right. What do you think are the top five laws of loving a friend? Being there for them in their time of need, compassion, listening, having them listen to you and if they need help financially, you can financially help them. Whoa. That's a big commitment.

Yeah. That's what a friend is. Otherwise, you're just a stranger. Do you think a friend, a true friend would lie to help you cover up your crimes? Well, depending on the crimes, if it's like what happened, what's the name, like the song, this is what's so funny. This is the song, End of Innocence. It's all about who sings that song again, Henry?

The End of Innocence is, did we just talk about this? We just talked about this. We just talked about this. This is Don Henley. Okay. This is a Don Henley song, The End of Innocence. Have you brought this? Is this the second time in a week or the three weeks that you've brought up the End of Innocence

on Side Stories? Did I do this on Side Stories? We were just talking in private about this. Was this just us talking about this? This song, Ladies and Gentlemen, I thought it was about some really deep understanding of emotional transition into adulthood. I thought it was maybe about a divorce or whatever it could be. Don Henley's buddy got busted for investment fraud.

He got sentenced to prison on Don Henley's scribed End of Innocence. So if it was something like that, then I would hope that my friends would not give me up or something like this. Is it really the End of Innocence to be a white collar criminal after the age of 40? No! It seems like there are many crimes, there are many times the Innocence had ended leading up to that fact because white collar crime is difficult to piece together. Yes, it's very interesting.

Either way, the Flat Earthers, they can all agree on one thing. They love the Boston Celtics because that's where Kyrie Irvin plays and he's going to have a great season next year. Alright, let's go over to the birthplace of the one and only Henry Zabrowski. We're heading to Queens, New York. My family's my city, oh Queens, oh how I love your soot-covered stoops, oh how I love your cannolis, as far as I can see, oh Queens. It is a beauty.

Capsies, jets, jerseys, and my uncle's gut hanging over his belt. And honestly, if you are in Queens, you got to try the cannolis. This is a little side note here when it comes to Mr. Dukakis who ran against, I believe it was W, no it was W Bush. Yeah, HW, Dukakis who ran against HW Bush. He went to meet with these people in Queens and this woman who had this cannoli bakery, or just a bakery, but she specialized in cannolis, she stayed up all night making him cannolis and Dukakis walked in and she said, here's a cannoli Mr. Dukakis and he said he was on

a diet and then the city hated him forever. You're going to take my cannolis and throw them in the trash, that's what you're going to do, you're going to come to my city, you're going to come to my fucking town, that's a free ass cannoli. I know, I know if you're in Queens, someone gives you a cannoli, offers you a free cannoli, just pocket it, but you'd have to take it, and you do have to take a little bite. Eat it, you fucking eat it. Cannoli cream is one of the, I would say of my favorite substances, it's like, nug.

Cannoli cream is up there, oh man, and then probably, I would take a bone marrow, is in there too, oh man, I mix them all up, I would take another two, I would take the cream inside of a yodel, when's the last time you've had a yodel? I haven't had a yodel in a little while, but they are very good, okay, so anyway. And coconut lacroix? Yes, of course, I know you love that, you're like the only person on earth that likes that, but that's okay. I think it makes me a part of an elite race.

It does, okay, so there was a body found in a BMW outside a Queens auto shop, now a man was found with a wound in his head, he was also dead, and he was in the back seat of a BMW in the parking lot of a Queens auto shop. The body was discovered at like seven o'clock in the morning, and the car was parked behind an auto zone. What I think is so interesting about this story is, a worker at the shop found the body called 911, the dead man who was believed to be in his 20s had trauma to his head, but his cause of death is not immediately known, I'm gonna say it was trauma to the head, and

an auto zone worker described the gruesome scene Sunday morning, this is what he said, he said there was a lot of blood, and there was a lot of blood and brains next to the car, the employee who declined to give his name, and then he said this, I had to clean it up, it was nasty. And that's my question here, there's a dead body in a parking lot of an auto zone, and this worker at this auto shop, he had to clean up the blood, don't you think this should be something where you get like a medical crew to come in, you got a hazmat crew to wipe up the blood, how does this man end up having to clean up a bunch of blood from a

corpse on a random Sunday morning? I tell you what, when you're in Queens you start from the bottom and that's the only way you can make it to the top. I agree. He knows it's now, it's about cleaning up blood, but later he's gonna be the one making the blood. I hope not. You know what I mean?

And that's what any janitor really hopes for. But he's not a janitor, he's like a mechanic, and then they're like you just clean, I mean how bad is this city that we don't have a hazmat crew that will just come and just do a little wipe down of a man's random blood? We definitely do, we definitely have enough of those people. I'm sure. We definitely have people that will go and do it and they're paid a premium in order to do it.

My thing about this story reminds me of fucking, look at all these dead hookers in his trunk from Dirty Work. One of them. I've never seen so many hookers in my life. Dirty Work is one of the funniest comedies in the history of the world, and I've been trying to, that's Norm McDonald of course, Artie Lang, it was Chris Farley's last film as well, and Chris Farley did a great job, and Artie Lang was super funny, quite frankly it was kind of Artie Lang's last film as well for all intents and purposes, not to malign

the man that you are on crashing with, Henry. But yes, it's a very, very funny scene. I just hope this guy cleaned up the blood like after the cops came, as opposed to someone who was just cleaning up a bunch of evidence. Oh, cuz you come up and they're like, what the fuck are you doing as he's just scrubbing his feet, being like, hey boss, tell me I had to clean all these seats, and you're like, your boss murdered a bunch of sex workers and put them in the back of that car, I'm like, aww, dumb, what am I gonna do now, now I'm the one with all the evidence.

That would be, that is really sad if you think you're helping, that does happen sometimes in life, especially when you're a kid, you really think you're helping, and then your dad is like, those were all of our tax papers that you're shredding right now, and be like, I thought it was trash. Well, that's, those are part of the buildup of the incidences that they try to say stuff like, he's got a learning disability, because you did a bunch of shit that they don't understand. You had a lot of, you had good intentions. Right, of course.

So no. I don't think I ever did that. I mean, my shit was very weird behavior with all of the, with me mutilating all of Jackie's Barbie dolls and burying them without any clothes on and no heads on upside down with their feet sticking out of the dirt. I don't, I don't know if we've talked about this on the show, or if this is just another on the plane or in a car while traveling to show's conversation, but my brother did the exact same thing to all of my toys, and I don't understand why older siblings choose

to mutilate the toys of their younger siblings, doesn't make any sense, doesn't make anybody feel better. And it really, I mean, I remember I walked into my house and all of my Batman's no longer had hands. I don't know why. And then I had, I had a police academy toys. It was like a true detective mutilation of your, of your, like just to remove the hands. It's so cryptic.

Very scary. And then I asked my brother why he did it. And then he's just like, I don't know, like I just did that and it was just kind of fun to do. And it's like, well, but what happened? You know, you know what? You know what's nice about just getting it out is that I think it helps because again, I didn't, I never heard an animal.

Well, you hurt your sister. Yeah, she doesn't count. She hurt me worse. How did she hurt you worse? Psychologically, and she always, she was a fighter and she used to beat on me and she always, you broke her Barbies and buried them. I extemperize, what's the term? I use, I exteriorize my feelings of impotent rage towards the barbies, but you know what

I also think is if I really sit and like try to analyze it partially, it's like, I definitely liked, I definitely liked feeling the lumps on the Barbies. Like they were little boobies. Right. I definitely liked that. And then I would like touch the butt a lot and I'd like lick on it. I'd like, obviously very strange. I mean, that's what you do in a way.

That was the closest thing I had to breasts that I would touch at the time, especially as a little kid. So I was like, fascinated with the nude part of the Barbie. And then I wonder if I buried them as almost to hide the evidence of my sexual exploration of the dolls. It literally sounds like what maniac would do from the film maniac. It sounds like perhaps something Ed Gein might do. And I know for a fact you talk about, you were never close to breasts as a child.

I've seen the pictures. You were very close to breasts as a child. What do you mean? They were on your body. Oh, I was mad. I was mad. Yeah, but that's not this. Look at this.

I don't know. I know. I'm trying to lick my own tits. All right. Okay. So let's move on. Speaking of serial killers and people who have done horrible things in their past, obviously much worse than the things that we just described from our past, Rose West was in the news.

Of back in the news, I missed her so much. I know, right? Of course, it was Fred and Rose Mary West. They are go back and listen to our last podcast episodes on that just demonic couple. They were maybe one of the worst. I think they're top five, some of the worst human beings we've covered. Don't you think? When we covered them, I mean, there's so many horrible shit that you read that things kind

of like gloss over. But the idea of a couple working together to do what they did, the amount of torture they did, it was like, it was fucked up, turning on normal. There's also something about like kind of the edgain factor about it or what we saw with Jerry Brutus or like the people that have their fucking, their scary workshop of horrors within their own home. And so like, to me is something very creepy about that. The idea of that they made it their own home.

Very infamous. Yes. And of course, tormented their own children and just go back and listen to those episodes. Disgusting stuff involving floorboards and a whole bunch of stuff. Anyway, Rose, let's fast forward. Of course, she was convicted of murdering 10 people in 1995, but this week, she just won the HMP prison, Lone Newton Bake Off. And then you go and totally redeem yourself.

She was in this game up. So she, she made, I guess it's her famous Victoria sponge. Again, she's serving the life sentence because she was, I don't know, maybe this is good behavior or something like that. She's been given culinary skills in prison and she's been allowed to use knives and things like that. And she won the award and evidently she uses her baking skills and her cooking skills to win over people in the prison because believe it or not, there's a lot of tough gals in

there and they don't like her. But when they don't like her, she gives them a cupcake. Yeah. Cause then they put her in a pussy. Right? Is that what they do? I don't know what they do. They box it out.

You know what I, first of all, we also looked it up because it looked like she made a Victoria sponge. Right. Whereas you, if you're a fan of the Great British Baking Show, you know that Mary Berry, this is one of her signature recipes, tiny butthole mouth Mary Berry. She looks like a skeleton filled with gin. She's British. But what you want to do, what's important overall for Victoria, cause normally it's a sandwich.

It's two pieces of sponge with a nice Rosemary, either like you want a, it's normally a jam or a, I believe the term would be a granache that you would put in between the two. And really what you want is a nice, fluffy, I imagine if she did win and it's true that she won, Victoria sponge is very good, I imagine that the texture of that sponge is not grainy, it's soft, it springs back, cause that's how you know it's properly baked, cause that's really, you want a good bike, you don't want to have a bit of a soggy bottom. Right. With a soggy bottom, so that means that it's not fully baked, and what you want is sort

of like a nice crust, but you don't want to be too dry. And a part of it, making sure it's not dry is that you need a lot of eggs in it, but also not too many eggs because then it becomes like a souffle. It's still prison, so I'm assuming these aren't the best cakes around. I'm assuming this isn't the greatest Victoria sponge that's ever been created. I don't know what their, I don't know what their kitchen looks like in this prison. Uh, evidently she's a model prisoner, but this might give a little insight into what she's eating in prison right now, Rose West, she's only 64 by the way, I thought she would

be older. Um, no dude. She suffers from breathlessness and high blood pressure and has been warned that she must diet or face developing type two diabetes or premature death after her weight bloomed to 18 stone. I don't know what it is. How much is it? What's fine, how much that is, but nonetheless it seems like she's eating 200, what is it?

Yeah, 252 pounds. She says that she got, uh, she was made hopeless by realizing, because she kind of had this idea in her head that she would eventually be released because she's a crazy person. Uh, and she, uh, basically said, uh, the depression of realizing that she would always be in there, uh, drove her to gain quite a bit of weight. Isn't that so sad? She needs to get on the Jenny Craig or, you know, perhaps just start cutting back on the Victoria sponge cakes.

This does seem like she's eating a little bit of her product. It doesn't seem like she just gives this stuff to friends. I don't know how often, I don't know what the prison system looks like. It's a heck of a lot nicer than it is here. Maybe they just have a dormitory style kitchen where they can go in and bake whenever they want to or something like that. I don't know where they're getting all the cakes. If she's not doing her outside time, maybe it's that.

Also I'm going to make sure you know this too and have our listeners listen to this, is that if you, if you do want to lose weight, you also, you don't have to not have cake. A part of it is having, eating it in a modicum, eating it in a moderation, enjoy it, enjoy it when you're eating it and then mix it with other foods. I think that also there's a part of it, if you give up the will, you're also going to put on pounds. Sure. And then she's eating a lot of starches.

She's very stationary. Right. You know what I mean? And that's, that's the stuff that gets you. You got to get 30 minutes of exercise a day. Right. Yes. I can imagine she's probably fairly stationary there being, being locked up as long as she

has been. I don't know what the, I don't know what the outdoor activities are like for the, for the elderly ladies there in the facility. I can't imagine there's a lot of stuff going on. I don't know if they have like the bands that you can exercise with your little feet going forward. I don't know if they do yoga or water yoga. How many calories you think you burn scissoring?

I really don't know. It doesn't seem like they're really doing, it's not, this is not some hot, this is not an adult film, Henry. This is like real prison and they don't like each other. Can I maybe ask though of people that are in these situations, why don't you make it sexy? Well, I don't think you can. So then you kind of are into it.

Well, I'm not sure. I do that sometimes. They're not allowed to, but they're not allowed to, prisoners are not allowed to have sex with each other. No. They can't. No. No.

Definitely. Why? Because there's no fun in prison. You're not supposed to enjoy it. Yeah, but you can't. What's the woman we covered? Catherine, uh, Catherine Knight, right? Or Catherine Knight?

Catherine Knight. Catherine Knight. Yeah. She is like having a ball. She is, she got, she is like one of the lucky ones who was like prison was made for her. And she didn't realize that this was like, this was a Hilton hotel. Uh, not a prison, but for the most part, it's, it's a waking nightmare. Well, yeah, I understand that, but I feel like if you could figure out how to like,

like you like making love to other men, or if you already do, then you just kind of lean into that. And then you have all the pleasures of it being super forbidden. Nobody people looking for you. Because no, they just, they, if they know that, then they just, you don't get to consent. They are just like, they, they have at it and it's very bad stuff. Very bad. That scares me.

It's hard. I don't, I don't want it to happen to me. I also read conflicting things about how it's not as prevalent as they want us to think it is. Well, that would be right. In terms of that. And it's also a terrible way to say that you're happy that it happens to people when they're in jail.

I don't think that that is also a good way to, uh, live your life. It is more prevalent than people, uh, make it out to seem. But nonetheless, that's. It is. Oh my God. Yeah. But we should. How do you know?

Because of all the research. There's so much data on this and it's very difficult to collect the data because no one's collecting any of it. So you just have to go by, uh, what the evidence is and the evidence shows based on testimony of individuals who get out of prison, that it is quite a significant amount of people. Uh, that's not, it's not all bacon cakes in there. I'll tell you that. But we should.

But you don't think they just, you don't think they just send in a police officer every once in a while to pretend to be a prisoner and then he just walks around in all fours. No, the prison's gonna be like, somebody's ready for some backwards ice cream. I don't think so. And there's just like waiting for it, like, like those trap for the bait cars, like they do with the shoes. No, it's not. No, it's not happening.

Good, good lord. All right. I've never been to jail. No, I know. I know. All right, everyone. Well, there it is. Those are basically Abe Lincoln's top ad.

We talk about prison reform, but that's something very serious. But nonetheless, we will. Hey man, I'm down for reforming prison. I don't think it should be bad. I mean, yeah, it should be bad, but I don't think you should be getting plugged. Okay. Very, very good stance, Henry. Thank you.

All right, everyone. Well, thank you all so much for listening to the show. Those are basically the true crime stories of the week. DM me on Instagram at Ben Kissle One. I will read them. And thank you all so much for submitting your stories. I know for a fact that I look at them and they always help you. Oftentimes we've already seen that story, but it's great to get the confirmation that

people think it's an important story. So that's really great. Thank you. And we got to set up that GD email so people can send it. We can't forget to do this, but we'll set up an email so people can specifically email side stories so you can send us stories. I love your, all of your suggestions are great. Oh yeah.

And we like hearing what people are interested in so that we can provide some content that you would be interested in. That's right. And if you're a sovereign citizen and you say, don't tread on me, remember, don't tread on anyone else as well. That's a big component there. Yeah, dude. Also, why do you have an iPhone?

Well, that's how are you listening to anything? It's like, and also understand, I'm going to kind of wanted to say this in the flat earth episode too. It's like, people want to say like, cause now we got our requisite, uh, we got a requisite responses about how we're shills and we work for the CIA, which is great. Oh, that's fine. I totally get it. I totally understand it.

But a part of it's like, um, if you want to believe that the earth is flat, sure. But understand that there are great conspiracies that are already completely in action and it's over. There's a part of it's got to do with the phone you got on your hands and a part of it's got to do with the way that we live our lives, the way the information is spread. Know for a fact that the corporate, uh, overlords that run this country have already done it. Oh yeah. It's too late.

They have. You've been, you got it already. So the only real refuge, the only way to change things on the outside for me is you got to change them on the inside first. Well, I'll tell you one thing, buddy. I have been looking, I still got my Nokia, my Nokia red phone. I used to play snake on it. One of these days.

I'm getting all off everything. I'm going back to my old school brick phone. You can call me and you can kind of text me. And that's it. But no emojis and barely words. But I could still do the eight with all the, the, the bars and with the D on it and make it come. And I can make it come with all the asses.

You can do, you can communicate with me in any sixth grade way you would like to. All right. Everyone. Interesting. Yeah. Hail Satan. Um, I am so excited, uh, to. I'm going to laugh today.

You are. But Nat's leaving town. So I'm not going to be like loving because I live, I enter into a cold world of just whatever it is I do alone, sure, which mostly just involves edibles and watching. I'm now on Hellraiser three. We watch you're watching the whole series, huh? We're watching the whole. Okay, cool.

Um, so I'm not going to be loving, but I'll be learning. That's good. Because, because of the episode we have coming up, we get, I don't even want to tease with the episode that we're coming up with, but I will say it is, it's a lot. Yeah. Let's just say prison reform will be discussed in one way or another to say the least. All right. Everyone.

Yeah. We're putting flesh lights and all of the, all the things. If we milk them before that, they won't be as horny. I don't think that's the way it works. All right. Everyone. Hail yourselves. Hail Satan.

But gustalations. Hail me. Hail Dean. I'm Marcus. Oh, hi Marcus. Hi Marcus. Hi. Marcus.

So I have to get back to work, Marcus. Uh, yeah, get back to work, Marcus.