Last Podcast On The Left - Side Stories: The Ted Bundy Tapes

Episode Date: January 31, 2019

Marcus is back on Side Stories to talk about Netflix's new Ted Bundy doc. PLUS: lady crimes, heaven-sent bears, AND MUCH MORE.

There's no place to escape to. This is the last time on the left side stories Back in the saddle back in the saddle man back in the saddle there it is I tell you what I'm gonna ask you boys this cuz I feel like we have talked about this maybe Hammered and in private, but I'd love to just put it on blast. I mean to be fair We could have been hammered in in public But I always consider us in a cone of silence, maybe that's bad It is I've had to chastise you for multiple times right right right I'm a natural born entertainer, and I was trained to speak from the diaphragm

but I I was at a Urinal recently, and I went to and I'll tell you were going to the bathroom Are you going to the bathroom? Are you just at a urinal? No, I wasn't reviewing urinals by look and taste But I walk in the bathroom. I was a little inebriated, and I'm grieving I'm sitting there, and I cannot believe you're using Kevin's death for whatever you're about to use it for right now And I'm grieving okay I went and I was like you know I'm really pushing out some pee because I hate the thing where it's like you're going multiple times Whatever with you know our our tubes are getting worse and worse as we get older absolutely, but I'm pushing and pissing

And I just hit there I mean like I had a fart and I thought about it being like well I mean I'm in a bathroom, so I just let it go just standing there with a bunch of people next to me And I got a look this guy like looked at me, and I was like this is the bathroom I feel like if there is a place where I can fart openly it would be here. Uh-huh. Well, that's a real that's a milestone Congratulations Henry you're officially an old man You know one of those people we would go to the bathroom and be like hope none of those are in here And then you are the one that no one wants to see at the urinal hope

I don't have a farty old fucker sitting right next to me when I go piss today Yep, I'd rather sit by Larry Craig in an airport bathroom. Why oh, so that's why that guy who looked like his name Was Ralph came and clapped me on the back Like I was welcome to a club you are welcome to it welcome to the show everyone this is sides this is Side stories. I'm Ben kissle Marcus Parks is joining us today. Hello. We've untethered him from his desk and given his fingers a small break Let me see are they callous enough, huh? They are callous very good continue to work And of course horrible gray biscotti's at the end of your And of course Henry Zabrowski, so we got a lot of fun stories to get to

But I want to say but philosophically I think I'm correct right you can fart at a urinal Yeah, of course you can fart at a urinal. In fact, I think I kind of like it when people fart at a urinal It's funny. It kind of gives it a little bit of levity to the whole situation if Well, if if what is it is it Robert if Robert Durst can confess to murdering two people at a urinal You can fart at the urinal. Don't even worry about it. There is a Robert Durst No, Robert Durst was in Lent biscuit. No, that's right. There is Robert Durst I I get my Durst's all all confused We have a lot of stories that involve

Murderous women today just just coincidentally And I think that that is brave of women and I still we've said this before when we talked about it when did Eileen Moreno, so we've talked about it We did the other the female serial killers episode being like take the helm get out there start murdering more people if you want an Equal place in society. Well, I don't think that that's the way to take that but that's okay. All right. That's the exact wrong Lesson there it is here The whole point is that you look at my lessons on life and then you do the opposite That's how it's like how I talk to you. That's how I'm gonna do this because he listens to the show

But there's a couple of people professionally. I reach out to just to see what they say So you can do the opposite. All right. Well, first of all, we're gonna talk a little bit about this docu series that just debuted on Netflix It's only four episodes not very long. You can kind of cruise on through it Henry and I finished it yesterday and I think Marcus got a couple of eps in it's a confessions of a killer the Ted Bundy tapes And I just want to have a little still a little round table here and get everyone's thoughts Number one. I got thoughts. My number one thought is he is George W. Bush They look the exact same. Yeah, I exact same Remember when we did the the Bundy episodes so many years ago about way way way before we had any fucking clue what we were doing

We ended the episode with the conspiracy that George W. Bush and Ted Bundy are the exact same person And I think what they said happened. I think someone said that they switched him back Right before Ted Bundy like cuz there was a Ted Bundy and there was George W. Bush and Ted Bundy the real Ted Bundy was like a good dude He was fine. He went to law school all that like he was a good Republican But I think he got I think what it was like he got mixed up with the Republicans when he was working in politics And they know it's like my god that guy looks just like a little W. It looks like a little bush And so when Bush started fucking up they switched them. Oh, yeah, and so Ted Bundy went down But George W. Bush went free. All right

Well one got elected the presidency because of Florida and one got elected to heaven. Yeah I'm gonna say hell. I'm gonna say they have the same kind of flappy little smile Yeah, and one thing that hit me about this documentary is number one Netflix I feel is doing the very classic thing, which is I feel like we kind of sprouted out of like as a reaction to of In some weird way the series does feel like I'm supposed to root for Bundy Like making him sound very very impressive Yeah, like he is the most unstoppable monster that every whatever was and I do understand that he is obviously a very dangerous person We've talked about this before he's probably one of the dangerous most dangerous people to ever exist

Oh, yeah, but at the same time the way they lauded his attention the way they lauded his Ability to evade police and to do his fucking Machiavellian deeds It's it was like we're supposed to be horny for it Like we're supposed to watch this thing and be so scared of him And he cucked every cop that he was around where they let him take over the whole show And I feel like Ted Bundy is in another realm right now jerking off at how fucking scared Everyone is because of this document loves it and the things about this documentary is that it's really No, it's it is an a in the serial killer

Docu show wrapped up in a really pretty package because it's beautiful because it's done well done It's done the same guys who did the Paradise Lost trilogy, right? These guys know what the fuck they're doing. They know how to make and that's why it's somewhat disappointing How much they glorify this guy or how scary or The it really that's kind of what pisses me up because it's one of the things we've been fighting against the show for so long is You know making him such a boogeyman like here's here's the boogeyman be afraid of the boogeyman Keep watching so you can be more afraid of the boogeyman, and it's a beautiful It's a beautifully done documentary like all the archival footage and all the quick shots and all the cool

It's really cool. It's very well. They tell the story really well They do build up really really well. I didn't read the build up was great like for example Well, he was working on the Dan Evans campaign. No idea who the hell this guy is no, but you know, it was interesting I didn't realize how Well liked he was he was doing fairly well within politics Oh, and his he was interesting He was built for politics kissle and unfortunately when you're out there in the world mixing with these politicians half of them Got fucking bodies in their basement and half of them are jerking off just thinking about if they did

I mean who knows what's happening to the bathrooms at news court But it's interesting because they interviewed his buddy and I forget his name now He's much older now, but it basically was the dude who got Bundy into politics and it was the guy who he had a beige Volkswagen that guy like he and but the whole thing seemed Interesting to me because that was who Donald or that's that's who Ted Bundy was emulated That's who Bundy wanted to be or at least he was like that's a person that's respected or I thought that was interesting It's like that's what and that guy loved telling that story. So it was like, you know, Bundy He got the idea for the Volkswagen bugs for me. Well, you know, you're all like that though

Yeah, you're all fucking like that that's Sheriff from Tallahassee that that whole rundown of that that guy is creaming His jeans trying to talk about how dangerous Ted Bundy wasn't it Matt the incredible work that they did where they just Mopped up everybody else's fucking fuck ups essentially by the end and they did good cop work by tracking him down But still right whatever one thing I will say I'll take back from also that I take away from this series to Ted Bundy is not even attracted enough to be an actor. He's really not that attractive I don't know I mean if you look at the they do that that picture the courtroom picture where they do the sketch Where they went made but when they were looking for him when he was just tad when they were looking for him And you realize like oh, it's true

They all mentioned that he had one eye higher than the other and one was closer to his nose and When you see the picture he looked just like that police sketch and you're like oh wow I can never see him the same ever again that focus up on his eyes both being fucking uneven He looks all fucked up But you know, I will say he does have a chameleon like face And that's why he was able to just turn his hair ever so different and everyone's like who is that new guy in town? And it'd be like it's the same guy from yesterday Well, that was the the big thing with Ted Bundy is that all the sketches looked

Wildly different from each other, you know people that saw him on the same day even gave different sketches of Ted Bundy Right and even when but that's the thing is that when the sketches started coming out after the girls disappeared from like some amish So mamish some amish like some amish when he kidnapped and killed two women in one day His friends were looking at the sketch in the paper and that's the thing is it like it was it said This guy's named Ted, right? Here's his sketch He drives a Volkswagen bug and all of his friends were like Looks like you Ted, right and you have a Volkswagen and you have a Volkswagen bug Oh, that looks like you, but they guys isn't it funny

Isn't that funny? But they are so overtaken by who Bundy was because I mean really it is he was Horrifically charming like he was able to fool people like over and over and over. I mean He was able to convince people he had a he had a problem with a yacht on dry land Yeah, but so but the worst part but really the worst part of the the docu series and you know and I didn't get to see the whole thing but Um, yeah, Annie who is my research assistant for the book She sent me an article last night that said that they don't talk about any of the murders in any detail whatsoever No, no, they do they jump around the timeline quite a bit. Yeah, and again, but they mostly stress

To be honest how good he was at serial killing that is like a thing about the documentary that I don't I Understand but I don't particularly enjoy because it's there. They are very impressed by his process But I want to again punch When the beginning of the whole docu series shows that I mean the reason why he became a serial killer like we learned with a Mark Twitchell like we've been talking about with fucking dr. Mangla and then it comes from very intense mediocrity Oh, yeah comes from somebody who literally cannot do he could not make friends. He couldn't fit into society He was sort of good in politics, which does I guess take somebody who is a hollow shell of a human being Yeah, and he takes a lot of mediocrity. Yes, that's not a bad thing to have

Yeah, yeah to be a republican in the late 70s early 80s definitely takes a fair amount of media or at least Early to mid 70s takes a lot of mediocrity. Yeah, absolutely I mean, hey, obviously he did get into law school, but it was a small school He didn't get any of the esteem that he wanted. He had this version of himself that was just Just grander than who he was. He was really insecure about not having money and he was such a He's lazy and that's why he wanted to leapfrog hard work by marrying really wealthy women Or he was attracted to wealthy women and classy women But then he would be like

But I can't date them because I don't have enough money So that it was this really vicious cycle of wanting to be in a class that he wasn't in but didn't have the work ethic To then get there the right way and speaking of uh, you know marrying wealthy and speaking of the the woman that was supposedly the What is it the victim prototype? Who was known for years as a Stephanie Brooks? I don't I didn't think anyone actually knew who she was before this like it seems like this documentary Blew the lid off of this woman's fucking life and showed her name Showed her picture, you know because Stephanie Brooks was the name that and rule used in the stranger beside me

And you know as far as I know people use the name Stephanie Brooks for years and years and years Because this woman has no there's no reason for her to be involved in this and she's a victim just like yeah She's I mean she's I mean to her Ted Bundy's a bad ex-boyfriend, you know, and there's no reason and it seemed Classless to me to just say like here's this woman's first and last name and here's a picture of her and here's all the things Well in college and I'll tell you what it seemed a little it just it seemed really Sleazy it is the running gag that they also just did with the fire festival documentary where they essentially paid image They paid fuck Jerry again to make money on the disaster that they helped produce that they then basically double made money by then producing the produce the the gotcha documentary about the people that they

About the crimes that they were also technically involved when involved and even within a fringe The Netflix at this point is like trying desperately to scoop they want to scoop They want to do that kind of shit, which is I I don't know How to feel about it because I understand the want I understand you want to bring new information to the table We've been reading about uh Ted Bundy for years So you want to add like new things but in the end it's like what are what are we losing also in that? It tells us nothing and no it was interesting though You know when you just when you think about the escapes the double escapes that was fascinating seeing the jail cell

Where he's absolutely goes out of yeah, and when he traveled all across the country literally one coast to the other I mean it was it was fascinating to remember that you could do that number one and number two when he like I forgot that he went to michigan. Yeah to watch the michigan football team play Yeah, they're onto a fight at the bar Yeah, because he was such an asshole that he almost got into a fist point at a bar Well, he was also at that time in the middle of a manic episode Oh, yeah After he because that that is that story his this get like I because I don't know exactly how much they

They tell because I didn't get that far into the documentary series But that story is amazing where he uh breaks out of prison because he's what he did was he uh Doug or he cut a hole in the ceiling of uh his jail cell He lost weight. He purposely started sleeping later Up until like 11 o'clock. So the jailers got trained to not bring him his food until about 11 o'clock every day So what he would do every night is he would go in and out of the hole every single night Right explore the jail to see what the best route of escape was and then once he finally got out He started hitchhiking. He got uh arrived from a guy. He told the guy. Hey, my wife is going into labor

Uh in another city. I need to get to the airport right now And how he got the airport takes is because since he was working as his own legal defense He had a credit card that he could use to make long distance phone calls So he used the credit card to get a plane ticket to chicago Uh and by the time the uh by the time anyone knew that ted bundy was gone He'd been gone for 17 hours and he was 1000 miles away I also didn't realize that the guards the it was the jail. It was the jailer The he had an apartment right above the cell of there were a couple of strategic mistakes

I would say yes in the planning of that prison Yeah, he dropped down to the jailers closet because he started crawling up there and he could hear them having dinner below them I it is interesting because I don't want again I don't want to blow up and say that he was this devious mastermind But there he put a lot of work and there was a lot of blind eyes turned towards him and I think it also It had quite to do with his looks and it's a part of the reason why He was allowed to do what he did because he just looks like a normal kind of unassuming man Like he's vaguely good-looking and he just kind of has this kind of affable like

I hate the smug laugh though that they did at all time Well, and you really see that Natalie actually put it so we were watching together and like I don't you know like it's it's hard because it's uh It's a it's a hard thing to bring up, but it literally is the the the full extent of white privilege where like To be honest, you're watching the story being like you guys aren't gonna wail on him really. Oh my god Even you really could have just he could have used it's like if there's any many times It's gonna be a little bit of police abuse a little bit of maybe some excessive force

I feel like maybe we could have grabbed him and fucking like beat the shit out of him a couple of times Especially after he was wanted for a bunch of different murders and all the kind of shit I understand But it's like once you really realize the extent of his crimes Maybe a good for somebody to kind of give him a fucking whack on the side of the head Maybe he was a little disoriented it'll be a little difficult for him to be constantly planning how to escape Absolutely, they could have done a little polish family reunion right there Of course, they could have had some violence There's no denying that and it's interesting to that point when he got arrested the first time

It was the first time maybe the second time when he sped away from the officer The officer chases him down and the officer talks about he'd gotten to a fight with the guy He tried to go for his gun the officer hit him in the head with his revolver just old school now It is three in the chest ventilated Ventilate him. That's what they should have fucking done. I can't believe how much shit he got away with He just got away I guess that's a part of it He just got away with so much shit and it was like they did that big

They showed it in a third episode where they they the sheriff of Tallahassee wanted to publicly indict him And so they put him out no handcuffs on no in a press pool Hanging out they read it to him on live television and he get then it's like you just gave him a platform He is loving this shit. You guys just kept giving him the these this this stuff You gave him all this ammo to run with and then you gave him a recorder And that's where he starts to remind me of btk because of how much he loves the sound of his own voice He absolutely does I did not the new information that I got from this though, and I'm not sure if we covered this

I mean, obviously that was years and years ago when we spoke about this man But um when he cross examined the man who went into the sorority house first in Tallahassee Yeah, the great detail that he made him go into about how the bodies were placed or the bite marks the physicality of it Was so eerie. Well, that's the interesting the interesting thing about that incident is that um ted bundy's trial was one of the very first televised trials in american history Uh and everyone across the country watched the ted bundy trial and because he was charming and because he was kind of good looking TV friendly the american t because he was very tv friendly Uh, and he also dressed tv friendly like when he'd wear those fucking like seattle supersonic sweaters

He wore one shirt. He wore a belly shirt in one of the pictures. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and because he was so tv friendly America was kind of split on this guy like he was at ted bundy was like a little popular and they're like, well I don't know like wow and really like at the end of the day the science The what is it the tooth bite science is it kind of junk science like it's not right It's not great. It's not really that good of science So people were a little apprehensive like oh, well, maybe maybe he didn't do it. Maybe this is just bad luck But after that cross examination after it was obvious that he took this guy After it was obviously he took this police officer up to ask him all these questions because he made him do all these details

We made him talk about all this over and over and over again And then asked no follow-up questions right and then just sat down because it was obvious He just wanted to hear it But no, no, it was he had managed to flip the whole thing to be a uh an Expression of his horrific crimes and lay them out in front of everyone and everyone gets to witness it And he's totally in charge. He's just mock a belly and fucking Devious piece of shit. Don't you see how evil my deeds are all it is is making him harder and harder Yep, and he really thought he was going to get away with it

I'm firmly believed that this story also had in my opinion other than Ted Bundy who is obviously the worst character in the story carol and boon That was the woman he got engaged to under oath when she was just to find out She was just driving me insane. They ended up having a child because the uh, uh, the uh, Direction's officer turned his way turned his back and let him have sex. I thought they snuck come out. No, no They had conjugal visits. They had conjugal visit. Oh, we could actually do it. They actually could fuck I didn't get to the very end. I didn't get they actually did it. So they had a kid. I didn't know that Yeah, dude, it was in the family picture. She had a son from another relationship

But she was so you had the first so we had two escapes. We had mass murder So we're beautiful girls being killed. Now we have a fucking, uh, dude Machiavellian like like Bundy in engagement Uh, and then when then of course it ends with the televised execution. It is the perfect television true crime show. I mean, I mean, this is a Ted Bundy. It is a Amazing story. I it is the beginning that they framed it too. I mean, if this is like this is before like everyone Was a was a reality show producer in their own. I mean, but it just shows that it's a it's like a strain of human kind I don't want to mention how many people this reminds me of currently that are also like, you know in charge right now

But a part of like the people that understand intrinsically how to get eyeballs and cameras on them And he is just one of those guys where it's like if he had if Again, if he had gotten positive validation in other realms He technically would have probably also killed people but would have been a very successful tv producer I mean, it is possible. I mean even the one thing that bothered me about this was again They didn't focus enough on the victims the victims families and what the victims went through They did show what the judge said, however to bundy and as we did talk about this I didn't quite realize how much the judge truly loved Ted Bundy the judge was in

And just absolutely smitten with Bundy and when you talk about privileges Henry mentioned without a doubt Like the fact that that judge looked at him and been like and was like you would have made a great lawyer It's a shame. We didn't get to work together. He was more concerned with the waste of Ted Bundy's potential They're all like 36 people They're all treating him with kid gloves. They're all they kept calling him special and it's just like go fuck yourself He's not special. He did the easiest thing in the world is to it's to give into those dark impulses That's the easiest shit to do and you all the all just couldn't get over yourselves Talk more so to talk about how evil he was

But then it was fascinating because at the end when they show all the students that were there in Tallahassee when they finally Ended up executing him that made my skin crawl a little bit too Well, just the the you know fry fry Ted fry like just the spectacle that it became I will admit. I do own a burn Bundy burned here. I wanted one of them I saw it. I literally as soon as I saw the guy take it out of his trunk. He burned burn Bundy burn I was like, I wish he had it in black. Why is that shirt white? I don't wear white shirts Carolina got me a burn Bundy burn t-shirt for uh, what is it for my birthday this year? Because I mentioned that I wanted one back when I was writing the Bundy chapter in like june

That's so funny. She's very very sweet But the things about this information too is that it you know, they bill it as you know, the Bundy tapes Yes, this is all new information. This is based on like the book was written in 1989 it's called the only living witness like these and the guys that based on these tapes like this is nothing new That maybe these tapes have never been heard before but it's on the other end, you know, it's bundy saying shit That doesn't really matter. You know, it doesn't just It gives you no new insight into who Bundy is it's I mean it is a cash grab That this it is a cash grab that is

Meant to it's piggybacking on the Zac Efron movie. Of course. Of course looks weird as well Yeah, they're making it kind of like it seems like it's kind of like a comedy It's kind of like a higher energy kind of thing where they're trying to kind of give it some bazaar That's what I hate that what someone who saw it said that it is like a 70s rock biopic Like with needle drops and like fat like fast cuts and shit like that That is why I don't and I don't know and they'd better because that's the thing about both this documentary series and probably the movies Well, I don't know But there if they don't go into the actual

Murder right because there's a there's a reason like we don't go into the actual murders in the details of the actual murders Just as you know morbid like murder tourists like we're doing it to show you what these guys actually do Right. Yes, what they do. This is what they did. This is who this piece of shit is This is who these people are like it's showing people what the fuck happened What the consequences of these things are and how fucking off they're not cool They're not sexy because that's the thing you watch ted bunny this entire you watch that documentary series And they don't go into him sawing off ahead and throwing it into his girlfriend's

Uh fucking fern or thrown in his girlfriend's fireplace or you don't talk about him putting makeup on uh severed heads Or having sex with or having sex with a corpse over a series of like four days or possibly keeping a woman alive Uh and raping her over and over and over again over a period of days Out in the woods right or the two girls after um, um, uh, sam uh samemish Uh those two girls how we took them both to a farmhouse and he uh raped and killed one while he made the other one watch If you don't go through any of that shit, if you don't talk about any of that shit, then yeah, ted bundy is a sexy figure They can't make him like a rock and roll god that way because it's just murder because oh it's just murder murder Murder's fine murder murder's whatever, you know, he's it's a cult figure thing

He becomes a fucking billy the kid or something. Yes, it's exactly what it is Is that a lovable outlaw all of a sudden and all of a sudden you're in the middle of this being like Are you trying to like watching this series being like are you trying to tell me to root for this motherfucker? Like i'm supposed to act like all of this like he's robin hood or some bullshit But i'm like no man. He was incredibly dangerous person that uh just happened to be uh flawed enough as a human being to Act to activate that part of his mind and make it right make it like put it on the world And of course perfect timing just technology wasn't there yet and he worked with the police departments Previously he knew the behind the scenes work. Uh, he knew how to um, he knew exactly how to get away with it for a long time

But absolutely that was one of the things that they definitely should have put in They did tell the story about the woman that he kidnapped who was able to get away, which is horrific But that was obviously was going to get a lot worse But yeah, but you know, they don't really go into that they mentioned the necrophilia a little bit at the end A little bit at the end. Yeah, and it's such a huge part of it and the article, you know the article that i mentioned earlier Uh that you know talks about stuff. It's uh by katie dowd published at san francisco gay It's called netflix's ted bundy documentary is almost everything that's wrong with the true crime genre It's a it's a really it's a good read. I recommend it. Yeah, any any send it over to me

But yeah, it's it's a really good read and it Yeah, these the sorts of crimes that that these people do the actual Uh details. It's not it's not about being morbid. It's about showing what these people Uh, actually actually fucking are I mean, I doubt I doubt there would be as as many girls talking about how uh Nice richard ramirez's hair looks if they knew about him Is you know carving out the eyes and putting them in a jewelry box and taking them back Honestly the Cecil hotel and uh laughing later. Well, I think would really turn them off as the halitosis of Yes, yes, because that's a thing. It's never actually sexy

It's never no one actually misconstrues that but again, you know This is people are gonna do what they're gonna do and people handle these news the way that they handle these news, right? You know, I mean, I don't really understand. I mean, I you know We were looking at pictures of what the bitch from buchenwald. You know, I mean, yeah, it's a kick and I'm not into her And that's technically like my type like tall busty. Yeah, and I'm not into her Oh, yeah, ilsa cook that that was uh, that was edgine's uh lady right there Oh my god. Yeah, but I feel like if that relationship just wait for the book Honestly, I can't look I because normally in a man's mind away

I could maybe just separate the boobies from the thing but I can't with her So I think that makes me better and then also I mean even with casey anthony I would have to be very hard pressed to date her A very hard press to date her. Wow. What about to date her? What about just a general like just to meet and greet just say just say yeah meet and greet say say Like hello, we're in a we're in a parallel universe where where you and Natalie never met and yeah You know that you're on the this is three years single Henry And you're down in st. Petersburg visiting your parents and in walks. Yep casey anthony depends on what kind of Tuesday it is

And also if there is a goddamn is there some guy just playing acoustic guitar or some like some hot is slick Like some some fucking early Santana Maybe it is st. Petersburg on a Tuesday every bar has got a guy with an acoustic car. Absolutely. That's what I'm saying Yes Yes, I'm just glad I didn't bump into oj simpson because he was at the same fucking bar that He his bar is the same hotel that we stayed at for our wedding. Wouldn't that have been fun? Well, honestly, you might bump into oj at some point. He's out in a bout or about to go out. He's always having fun Um, all right. That's that's basically little synopsis on the netflix series Ted Bundy. Yeah, remember the crimes

Um, I would say, you know, watch the doc docu series. You will pick up some stuff. That's interesting It was interesting how he could only shed light on his crimes in the third person You know, but it's all that stuff is it's very interesting, but it's also in a book that came out 30 years ago But the of your visual learner like me. I like watching it. So obviously I would still recommend the docu series. It's pretty thorough It's just remember what you for me. I'm I say to myself I mean like remember what you're watching while you're watching it. I'm watching it Essentially I'm watching it for this show and I'm watching it because of my general interest in true crime But it did once it slides into this area of like

Treating him like he's batman that I'm checked out. No, I know it turned into a The story of a failed lawyer and what he could have been. Well, so hey man Bruce MacArthur He fucking he pleaded guilty eight counts this morning. So he's not he's going he's going to the canadian slammer Which we know is you we know how strict that is Oh, yeah No poutine no poutine on mondays. All right, but on monday's sometimes Sometimes if you're good, we'll get you but normally no poutine on monday's Poutine will be served regularly and hot from two states through sunday. Oh, that's nice Bruce

Bruce MacArthur, of course, he killed eight people in canada mostly all gay men So it's uh, he has pleaded guilty and and I didn't follow this story. Wasn't it mostly middle eastern gay men? Yes, a chunk of them. Yes, and it was a part of it is the les dead scenario Part of it they're saying that he wasn't picked up because he looked like a Unvery nice grandpa and they didn't realize that he was in full into The s of the snm scene and they didn't know how to gauge all that and then he just hid body parts and planters All over toronto. Yeah, it's he was a landscaper very very creative boy very creative. Yeah, so he put body parts in The scapes that he the land commercial landscaping. I believe yes

No, we'll be covering him one day. Yeah Yes, uh, each of the first degree murder charges carry an automatic life sentence meeting he went they must be I guess running Um, uh concurrently because he's going to be eligible for parole when he is 91 years old So it doesn't look like he'll be getting out Um, yes, and mostly middle eastern men. Um, so there you go. So anyway, that's that's a good story He is he is away as he should be he's 67 years old now Um, all right. Well as we mentioned earlier Um today, I guess it's I don't know why the news stories this week a lot of lady killers out there

There are so this one comes to us the the title of it is why a washington woman's boyfriend Turned her in for mayor there after a concerning facebook message after learning his girlfriend had been accused of murdering his ex's mother A washington state man called 9-1-1 Ashley horning is her name and honestly i'm not gonna I'm not gonna regress on what big steps henry made regarding not being attracted to horrible people, but I'm looking at her. She's quite attractive. She kind of looks like snooki Well more honestly more attractive than that. I forgot about your thing for snooki I was a snooki. I met snooki. I remember. Yeah, we used to talk about back on the round table all the time. Yeah

Of course. I met snooki. She had an entourage about 18 people deep. Uh, I wasn't able to get that close. She's very tiny Yeah, uh, she she wrote a book about motherhood. So So we're doing fine. Um, ashley horning. She is 25 years old She's being held on a million dollar bond after spokane police charged her With second degree murder of christina powell the 48 year old mother of her ex and the grandmother of her young daughter Zachary gardener told uh, this is local news kxly. Oh, yeah, oh yeah, click see Click see news he and horning had been dating for several weeks when he discovered she was a murder suspect

Which I believe is the michael my isn't that so I married an axe murderer Isn't that exactly that premise from that movie? I will tell you he had the reaction that I could totally see from this dude He's like she's a good woman. I tell you that for sure. Obviously it's Hard for some people to see right now. That's what I'm saying. She was she was attractive enough for him to be like Well, she's not all bad. So it's kind of cool. She's like let me play video games. She's fucking chill like Like chicks don't like chill. So she's like super chill So it's like guys. She got a murder somebody gets it gets out of your system. You won't fucking hassle me She kind of looks like kasey anthony in a way

Well, this is like the kasey anthony story because remember the guy that uh, everyone said was kasey anthony's boyfriend Tony yeah, tony tony lazaro was that right? Yeah, yeah, they did yeah that everyone's like kasey anthony's boyfriend Is like no they were just fucking getting high and playing smash brothers for like two weeks Well before all of this shit went down She was this woman horning was doing a little bit more than that She fatally shot powell on thursday morning before going on the run from the police court documents obtained By people magazine confirmed gardener received a facebook message from horning not long after powell's killing in it She expressed suicidal thoughts gardener said he went to meet with horning

Who is sitting on the bench about a mile from the crime scene? Uh, this is what he says he says long story short long story short, uh picked her up because I thought something was off It was it was then that he said that horning showed him a news story about how police were searching for Uh, he got gardener says it was a stressful situation and I said We're gonna turn you in She agreed she agreed and then gardener gardener told the station, please where she was and uh, so he said he said Horning was anxious depressed and wanted custody of her two children who were staying with their fathers Um, so she had you're a new bro on the scene, right?

You just are getting used to it. It's like maybe I could like date. I guess the gush is cool Wherever she's chill. So I was chill and then all of a sudden you're like she's maybe a murder suspect The guy's just the middle of me along Well, I don't fucking shit Grandpa like watch the movie on vietnam and fucking told me about it. So people fucking get killed dude I'm fucking don't know like a bro's powerful shield against trauma Is is I'm very jealous of it really is just love his life

No, no personally that wasn't something she would normally be capable of or what to do No, it's like you've been dating her for two fucking weeks dude. Yep She wanted custody of her kids from her father's nothing wrong Uh with having kids out there, but my goodness gracious. Oh, so apparently the gun that she used uh to kill this poor woman She tossed it into the spokane Uh river and it's unclear as of monday if hornyd had entered a plea of the charges she faces or if she has retained a lawyer Who could comment on her behalf? So she shot her ex's mother

Yes, and the and the grandmother of her child. So it was one. So it's you know, there's some close I'm assuming that's a grandmother. There's a lot to unpack here. I'm sure whatever their relationship is It seems like what it is is that the grandmother was probably taking care of the child This woman sounds absolutely fucking insane. The grandmother was trying to have the child's best interest And you tell me how to raise my baby Yeah, she probably told her stay the fuck away from here. You're not allowed in this house anymore This woman loses her fucking mind and shoots her in the face. So apparently horny This is uh, she was talking from prison. She says she has no memory of the alleged murder

And she only realized she was in trouble. She only realized what she was in trouble. Yeah strange how you black that out Flames Flames shooting up the side of my face and then nothing I just simply can't okay. It's tuesday. What am I doing? I'm chilling with brad because he wants to be chilled We're so we're chilling and I'm good at chilling. I'm super chill. You notice that I'm chill And then it's just thursday Madeleine con one of the greatest of all time She realized she was in trouble when she saw social media postings about her wanted status

So she's got some disconnect going on and uh, it's just sad when like that Is that where we are now in society where you don't know you're a murderer until you see it on twitter? It's a social media posting. So does that mean that her friends were posting? Hey, ashley Where are you? I think you're one of her murder or does she follow the local police department on twitter? I have no idea. I straight up. I imagine she got a facebook message being like I think yeah, I'd say a murder And she's like no Oh my goodness Okay, I like this other story college students stabbed her best friend 30 to 40 times now

I'm not gonna say That this is indicative of sometimes the fraught relationships that women have with other women But it seems intense because it doesn't seem a lot that made this pop off. I don't know what happened Well, all right, so this is I don't know if fun is a fun is the right uh adjective to use but it's interesting Hey, Virginia college student murdered her quote-unquote because I'm gonna put this in quotes. Yeah, they put it in And roommate by stabbing her as many as 40 times with a butcher knife in the off campus apartment They shared police said lisa cutting interesting 21 from jefferson Ten virginia would sound like you're making up a name. It's called jefferton jefferton

on my No, it's literally it really is like. Yeah. My name is robert from jefferson ton virginiolia She's charged with second-degree murder which I don't even understand for the depth of fellow rad for university student Alexa cannon formally of ronok according to a press release from the radford city police department Cutting was being held in a local jail on no bond police responded to a 911 call around 745

Thursday during the call police dispatcher said she heard someone shouting and referencing a knife When officials arrived to the off campus apartment where the women resided they saw cutting covered in blood And cutting put her arms behind her head and said arrest me the search warrant said I killed her cutting said after the police asked her what was going on And it was pronounced dead at the scene if you're an officer. Uh, hey, what's going on? What's going on arrest me? I killed her. What's going on? You guys been making some kind of strawberry sundaes over here on You girls like to spend your thursday evenings making sundaes

That is how like just utterly shocked the mind. I'm assuming of a male police officer is she was like You're she's covered in blood. She says arrest me. I killed her. Did you guys baking? What's happening here? What's going on here? Police did not reveal motive for the killing posts on canon social media pages indicate that the girls had a close relationship I met this girl two years ago online and somehow We ended up living across from each other for a year and this summer She was equivalent to my mom and kankun and unimaginably She still puts up with me and now we're living together next year. I love you more loo and everyone pray

That we don't kill each other this year canon said on instagram. Okay, so that is the victim That is a victim. Uh miss canon there. That's what she said on instagram Let's pray we don't kill each other this year a post on canon's facebook page from july red so No, incredibly proud of my best friend luisa cutting for becoming latino student alliances president I know you're going to be amazing with everything you do love you more Love you so much Cutting wrote but I also thought was really weird that they all of the knife emojis At the end of it was very like strange very very out of them out of character first

So it looks like cutting is doing fairly well here in school, but maybe this has something to do with a mental break Apparently cutting is on Is on interim suspension at the university that's according to katlyn skaggs at radford Radford university's associate vice president for university relations Um, this is according to the university statement from this dude brian hempful He said this is a tragic moment for our campus community and the radford family during this difficult time We ask that you provide support to your fellow highlanders Um, so I guess but there can be only one. I know that is a horrible name. That's a horrible name

Uh, I just I mean honestly I I feel like you can feel the tension The murderous tension when you see back and forth social media posts of of two young women saying like love you love you more Right, it does kind of feel like if you think that you love me more I'll fucking kill you like right you can kind of feel that energy Yes, the statement from the university goes on the days and months to come will be uh, Will also be difficult as we extend our deepest sympathies as well as our thoughts and prayers to the family and loved ones of our student 30 times Takes an incredible amount of rage. I mean that's below end. That is insane. That's like that's insane

Like I wonder what what because especially in the middle of doing it like how do you like I uh, I'm not gonna say I understand But I can kind of see the impulse like stab or hurt somebody do some kind of thing out of a crazy fucking impulse You're you're an emotional Basket case and you're kind of on the edge and then something happens You get in a fight and come but bullshit again But how is 30 stab wounds second-degree murder because it sounds like she really wants to do it It's not like accidentally knocking somebody over or railing or some shader right or some kind of horrible accident Yeah, I'm not sure that 30 to 40. I mean, I mean there must be some sort of mitigating factors going on here

I mean with the the sort well, I It was with something like that like I think crimes of passion things like that is second-degree murder Like if it's like a pop-off type of thing Like in the moment in the heat of the moment. I believe that's sometimes second-degree murder. I mean depending Um, but first-degree murderers like that fully premeditated. I'm going to kill you planning it out all that sorts It might be more it might be easier to prove as well. Yeah, perhaps death penalty would come with first who know I'm not quite sure capital. Yeah capital murder and all that type of shit But with as far as stabbing someone like that goes like as many times from what we've heard

What we've read from people who have done things like that is that they keep stabbing until the rage runs out And that's why they keep stabbing is that it's not they don't keep stabbing because like I want to kill them They keep stabbing because the rage that they're feeling is still there and they don't stop stabbing Until the rage has abated and then that's when you get that feeling of oh god What have I done? Well, that's your Bundy right when he went in he had the he had the sorority house went freaking totally bonkers And then he killed two more different that's well That's a different psychology though because that that kind of psychology is that's serial killer psychology I mean it is a berserker mode, but it comes from a different place like it comes from a like that kind of rage comes

From a different place. It's more of a rage at you know that uh, what is it the fucking what did he call it the entity? Oh, yeah Entity he wasn't the only one who had an entity. I wanted to mention this John Wayne Gacy Also had an entity remember the name of his entity. Oh, I don't even what was it called? Jack Hanley. Yeah, Jack Hanley who was a cop Yeah, because you remember he was like a detective Hanley and that's when you drive around in his car that was outfitted like a fucking cop car That was his like shadow personnel. Oh my god. All right. Yeah, he's the gay one That's the gay one right there

All right. Well, let's continue on with the theme of the news stories Uh more ladies in trouble now this one involves a cult leader in new mexico The name of this gal. Uh, she is her name is debora green She she is impressive looking. I am loving this uniform, man Well, I'm sure that you are she called herself the general and you might say well, that seems like an awful awful awfully militant name for a cult leader or a christian cult leader Well, the name of her christian cult was quote aggressive christian mission training corps Which is the most on the nose

I've ever heard for a description of an aggressive christian cult this shit's pretty pretty intense It's also the aggressive christianity missions training corps training the aggressive christianity mission It doesn't row. I will say it's not pro off the time mission's training corps Abbreviated a cmtc, which is what they call themselves also known as the holy tribal nation of free love ministries or the life force team Okay, those those are much better than a cmtc or aggressive christian mission training corps It is sound and real official. They like it to be as intense as possible So debora debora green she was sentenced to wednesday in district court in grants right after one of the victims gave emotional testimony About what was happening on this compound?

So the victim said emotionally she broke me as a child to the point where I where I still today Struggle with my own self-confidence my self-esteem and my sense of worth Um, so she actually got sentenced so the victim asked district court judge james sanchez to give seven the 71 year old green The maximum sentence of a hundred and eight years. So she is really She's in it. This is going to be maybe the the future for the dude of the nexium cult Perhaps he's going to look at similar years behind bars as well Well, these guys were a little bit even more serious than the nexium cult because the nexium cult was a little bit more about pleasing the leader These are people that believe that they were creating a modern christian army

And it seemed like they have because the they were known as generals Because her her official title within the cult was general green And they also know we call each other back and forth and it seems to be it's a like a christian version of Scientology, but they were also armed. Yes, they had many concentric circles of membership There was obviously many different ranks And the children were raised in a children of god like quote unquote free love society And they also did not believe in medicine So you say a hundred and eight years this woman just seems like she might have had a rough childhood or something

Well, children of god is the is the right um Comparison because green got 72 years. This is again, uh, deborah green She got 72 years for three counts of child rape two counts of kidnapping and one count of child abuse At the start of the trial it was revealed green was accused of convincing her daughter to take a newborn baby from Uganda in the 1990s the child was brought to the compound where it was physically and sexually abused Uh, this is this woman is obviously uh completely disgusting and it's and this is one of the most most egregious Uh, cults I can think of when it comes to the sexual nature that's led by a woman Is is that is that unique? I'll tell you what man again big ups for the ladies getting in there

You got to take up that space in there. You can't I don't know it's be the ones who have to be the cult leaders, man You got to get in there. You got to start Sisters are doing it for themselves But the only other cult leader that we covered was that one chick who has that compound out there that's just kind of Witchy it doesn't seem like there's any sexual abuse going on. It's that does kind of that that's a little different. Isn't it much different? Yeah, there's there are there are other female cult leaders that we've even talked about this because we want to do Um, we want to do more obviously we love kelp episodes This is our favorite show to face the planet, but because of the deep nature of it. How much shit is involved, um, but there are stuff like

the uh The woman silvia moras moreno who was a co-leader of a violent cult called la santa muerta Um called the st death, um seems to be they're involved in the cartels and they do quite a bit of human sacrifices to appease their god of death to help protect their various drug dealings actually again, I believe carolina covered that one on uh, Uh, let's go to sangria. Oh, if you speak if you speak spanish. Yeah, I gave that that shit is particularly fucking awful Yes, it's really brutal and even if you don't speak spanish, uh, check out. Uh, what is it? Just last podcast network dot com right and she has the scripts in english. Yeah, all of you can follow English

Yes, so you can follow along or if you're just interested in reading about the crimes of uh, latin america There's a lot. What's there to talk about? There's a whole thing. It's pretty nuts. It's pretty nuts. There's a bunch of others of the chinese cult I eventually want to cover called falun gong That is supposed to be that uses dancers much like omen shin rikio to like kind of present how cool and fun their group is It seems to be there's quite a bit of that actually Within china seems to be there's a there's a couple of female run cults out of china, which is I mean, I guess good for them Yeah, I guess female run cults just might not be necessarily an american thing because it seems like around the world

You know there are plenty because I mean well children of god like a lot of the higher ups Uh, they were but there were women that were definitely involved in the sexual abuse specifically when you get around a little ricky and all that type of disgusting Which I don't really want to think about again, but even jones town We talked about how important the women were within the organizational structure of jones town, but it was a little bit more Unofficial which another interesting thing about this story is the location is that it's uh in gallup new mexico That's right where the old root 666 used to start. Oh, yeah, they changed it in 2003 though to what 491 2003 but the gallup is actually a really interesting place because it sits right in the middle of like four different

Indian reservations So like you know like navajo zuni. There's a whole lot of different like Indian reservations, right? So it's very interesting that they choose like specifically that place to run A weird christian militant cult. Well, perhaps the authorities weren't paying it As much attention as they would have if it was located elsewhere going back to debora green judge sanchez said About her victim a weaker person would not have survived That means you can continue on being strong the abuse came to light last year When authorities raided the compound in fence lake near gallup and found 11 11 children

Some of them were as young as four years old all of them being held against their will. So this is uh, it's a disturbing story I don't think we have to put on our feminist caps for this one. I'm going to say she's a horrible person Made her with a stick and we can say it Yeah, so uh those 11 kids have been taken into uh into custody and god hopefully Uh, they can uh, they can recover from it given the long sentence She was given the days the da's office is still deciding if it will take this case to trial Um, so she is going to be gone forever. But yeah, I mean out of nowhere. Yeah snappy uniforms though That white uniform that she has is yeah really snappy. It's interesting. I'm saying it's a that's a one good thing

About getting to a cult is you get to make your own uniforms and everybody gets to be part of a team that you're immediately in charge of Yeah, but you can also do that if you get into a dance club or like if you maybe what happens There's so many other ways to do it. But if you just want the uniform Hi guys, it's carolina hidalgo from last podcast network I co-host a weekly podcast called movie sign with the mads with frank conif and trace beliu The original mad scientist from the hit cult tv show mystery science theater 3000 that's right tv's frank and dr. Clayton forester along with myself spend each week discussing and thoroughly dissecting a movie. We've recently seen premise of our show

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Wherever you can find podcasts or just look for us on last podcast network calm under shows Thanks, everyone and enjoy the show Um, we'll do this really quick because we were running out of time I just want to quickly say the good news story of the week three-year-old boy missing and freezing weather for two days Because he said he was looked after by a bear He was actually you know what I want to take a little bit of a lead on this new story because I got a new story for you guys To talk to to refute the bear Information is trying to bring one is nice story

Marcus is wildly against the narrative of the story I don't know what it is about you like I did about false narrative of bears It's like is it that kind of shit? The story of a three-year-old boy who said he survived two nights alone in the woods due to the assistance of a friendly bear Should not encourage people to seek out their own relationships with bears Well, no pity reading earth sign expert has warned last week rescuers in lorton, north carolina found three-year-old kasey hathaway crying But safe entangled in a patch of thorny bushes having been missing in a wooded area and freezing conditions for two nights Kasey told police he survived due to the presence of a black bear. Yes, which kept him company

It absolutely is why would the boy make it up? He's only three years old No, that's exactly why you don't know what a bear is. Have you spoken to a three-year-old? I've I speak to three-year-olds every day. Have you heard a three-year-old and then you did they're having fun? And then the bear showed up and a bear came and in and he brought me fruit and then a rabbit came He brought me Well, he was in a thorny bush who likes thorny bushes bears Of course, and I'm gonna say to refute you mr. Marcus Brianna hathaway. This is the boy's aunt She says he said he hung out with a bear for two days and she wrote on facebook

God sent him a friend to keep him safe. God is good miracles do that. That's why I don't like I don't like fucking shoe-orning her fucking evangelism and god sent the bear and to refute you This seemingly remarkable tale of jungle book style interspecies friendship was likely a product of kasey's imagination However, according to one veteran bear expert said chris Cervine a bear researcher at the university of montana. I've never known such a thing to happen Bears don't do that while bears aren't friendly with people. I don't want to say he's not telling the truth He obviously thinks he's seen things and maybe he's got a teddy bear at home But I've seen no evidence anything like that has ever happened. Oh my god. I'm gonna say like this

Yeah, I feel like number one he got paid for that interview. I definitely think he's taking money He's on the dole. He's making that better money. Yep, and two for some reason He doesn't want to believe this and I because you know, he's never been close to a bear That's right. And he's always wanted to be desperately so wanted to be friends with a bear could never bridge the gap Because they all fucking know that he's the fucking man. He's a bear cop So you can't fucking trust him and three I think a part of it is that he feels he needs to say something as a member of the bear science community This kid is the future jane goodall for bears

I don't know. I mean if you really want to bear whisper if you want to know about the uh, the behaviors of bears and how bears react with humans And how difficult it is to really trade a bear and you read this book called dancing bear They're about dancing bears in russia bears are quite the uh Particular animals. Well, I read a facebook post quote god sent him a friend to keep him safe God is good miracles do happen There it is. Okay, you know imagine the flip of this whole storyline No bear But it's he did meet somebody in the forest and it's just a man in a dirty furry uniform

Who just lives in the woods who's just like Yeah, I'm a bear spiritual right He's like bringing him honey and shit. He's like the bear man. It's a good man. He's just a fucking Drifter escapee from a mental asylum, but he's being nice to the kid. Yeah, that's fine with me I don't care. It's like uh, what's the dude from problem child? Yeah, Christopher Lloyd's character. No, that's michael richards in problem Child Christopher Lloyd was in Dennis the minutes. Yeah, we're eating beans You're too just surprise. He's not a pedophile characters that I guess For every rap stallion boy movie. Well, maybe they added to that part out. I don't know but Dennis was a menace. Good luck

My man, I don't think that's gonna happen. Dennis is a fucking terrorist. I know Okay, well, I'm gonna believe it You know that kid got a book published and he said he went to heaven burpo burpo got a book published Got a movie. Didn't that didn't a movie? I think it was. Yeah. I saw a trailer for this movie. It looks Fucking awful. There are so many actors. Well, there's so many. They're like famous actors There's just so many paycheck performances where these guys are just like, all right Like the uh, like one of the dudes that one of the dudes that was in scrubs Is that breath? No the other guy the other guy. Yeah

Yeah, yeah, there's definitely there's a lot of people like just looking for paychecks these days doing these shitty christian films Well, I hope that little kid got a fucking wake-up call about how difficult it is to write a book. That's for certain burpo Well, uh, yes, absolutely. And of course that's gonna be for profit that whole story was for profit And if you want to watch, uh, how truly horrible, um, the inside workings of the evangelical community I rewatched, um, what was it called through the eyes of tammy fey About tammy fey baker. It's a documentary narrated by roo paul It came out in 2000

But what jerry fallwell did to jim baker and tammy fey was brutal really interesting. Anyway, so check that out Okay, last night my feel-good story, although it's not really a feel-good story But I just didn't know it was possible Please say a Connecticut woman charged with driving under the influence was drunk on vanilla extract I I guess that has a bunch of booze in it. It is very alcoholic. No, no idea giada de lorrentis Is this someone from one of the fucking making shows like an burial or some bullshit? I just saw a pioneer woman make her own vanilla extract using a bottle of cheap brandy and vanilla bean So this is 50 year old stephanie warner grace. She was sitting in her car in an intersection

Her eyes were closed. She fell asleep. It was 4 45 in the afternoon Rough day officers say they found several bottles of pure vanilla extract inside the car They said they detected an odor of vanilla on her breath and her speech was slurred I I just didn't realize that you could get that hammered off of vanilla extract But why is she drinking like she's mrs. Claus? It's very strange Well, that's why I thought it was such a funny it gets such a weird thing to just get hammered off of Do you remember when you were a kid? We ever told that like snort and nutmeg was a

Uh substitute for cocaine. We did I I mean I did it with my friends just like the little challenge with like I think I need salt also. It just hurts a lot vanilla extract 70 proof 70 proof 70 proof a little bit more than like vodka But it's that's the thing though is that by volume. It's much much more expensive Right. So that's the interesting thing about this. Yeah, maybe your body doesn't test for alcohol or something Is this got this maybe she's on parole or some shit. I think she just Needed a drink. I don't know probably just an alcoholic. I think it's just there were there was vanilla extract around and so she grabbed it And I know I know that's that's your theory. It's also my theory that this news story comes from the cops in candyland

And this is one of the things they see on a regular basis Um, all right. Good. Well, hey, if you're gonna get drunk out there guys, don't do it in your car You can drink whatever you want. Well, there's a couple of things I'm going to say to not do rubbing alcohol is not good for you I don't care how much you need to get it if you're gonna relapse just get beers and then go back into treatment I don't know what to say. Don't do the poison part of it. Don't drink purell. You don't need to do it that way Um, if you're gonna relapse relapse in a fun way, or just yeah, just take care of yourself Don't do it behind it. We no matter what you do. Uh, don't be behind any heavy machinery No, or a car or a motorcycle or a tricycle or any kind of bike and I'll tell you what if because every single time

I'm worried about if I can make it I think about this inspirational quote from sammy. Hey gary You write me up for 125 posts or my face want to dead or alive take my license all that jive I can't drive 55 Oh my goodness. Um, all right, I will not drive. There was one dude. I remember an alcoholic who used to do He was like, yeah the thing with rubbing alcohol They don't let me have booze in the house, but I have that and you can what you uh, you filter it through white bread Yeah, and then you would eat the white bread I think

All right, everyone. Well take care of yourselves. Uh, thank y'all so much for listening to this show Um, can we we do have some announcements the it's general now, uh for our for our live shows Yes, it is so get out there check out our live shows 319 and nashville. We got 320 and 680 all right 322 cleveland 323 and good old-fashioned pittsburgh got to go and see the fam and get wild I cannot wait. I love those cities. It'll be nice to see the midwest. I've never been to cincinetti I have never been to cincinetti either. I know they got the chili and I'm gonna say it's a little controversial But I'm gonna get a chili dog. You're gonna get a chili dog because I'm rowing. I've lost

Uh-huh. No wait, but I am wearing plastic bags and I'm rowing. I'm sweating. It's okay for you to have some carbs It's good for you to have some carbs You know I could sit and do a traditional because traditionally since now Cincinnati chili, I believe is served over spaghetti. Yes. Yeah So we could sit and have a plate of that in an attempt to do a show sure We've done this before remember we got the barbecue in Kansas City, and then we did a show like Hey everybody has everybody Feeling

Yep, it was great. So check out our patreon. Thank you all so much for giving to that this week. Henry and I Henry and I interviewed detective Mike Proctor. He's a former homicide detective. He wrote the book on stalking Not a how-to how to stop it. Yeah So yes, check that out. Thank y'all so much And I'm just gonna say this can't wait to see on the road and hail yourselves Well, hey live like this is it man because it is love Like you got a pocket full of condoms and shoes full of lube and I want you to laugh Like you're a man on the way to the electric chair

Okay. Yeah Yeah, right. He finally got me He finally got me What was Ted Bunny's his Ted Bunny's last words were like, sorry for all the trouble something sorry about We're not all that. Yeah, it was something ridiculous. Totally spaced. Did they talk about do that? Did they talk about the James Dobson interview? Yes, they talk about him blaming it on pornography and James Dobson speaking of evangelicals Watch the Tammy Faye doc and watch the Bundy doc and just they are such scum bags

They somehow blamed women for just having boobs still it came all around to pornography being the problem Oh, yes. All right. Hail yourselves. Hail me. Pornography is never the problem. Pornography is the solution Yeah, Helgi if pornography was the problem, then we would not have survived the uh 70s Literally all of us would be in jail right now if pornography was a problem. I have to have a pornography Enjoy when we're on the road. It's it's nice and they're actually humans that make it and they're actually very nice people from this part Very nice. Yeah. Thank you for being here marcus. Thank you. Thank you marcus It was fun to talk about Bundy and all the other stuff. The bear story isn't real This show is made possible by listeners like you

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