Last Podcast On The Left - Sinners: An Interview with Ryan Coogler

Episode Date: April 16, 2025

In this very special interview episode, Henry & Eddie sit down with Writer and Director of Fruitvale Station, Black Panther, Creed, & Black Panther: Wakanda Forever. Ryan Coogler joins the show to discuss his new blockbuster horror project Sinners (In Theaters April 18th), his horror film-making roots, personal favorite horror films, re-opening The X-Files, and much, much more... For Live Shows, Merch, and More Visit: www.LastPodcastOnTheLeft.comKevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 Licensehttp://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Last Podcast on the Left ad-free and a whole week early. Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus.

Last podcast on the left listeners, you might be wondering how in the living hell did they score this person to talk to them? And the answer is his leverage, folks. It's called having personal information about important people inside of the Hollywood industry machine that forced this to happen. Isn't that right, Eddie? That's correct. We have information and we're gonna release it unless this is a good interview.

This is really honestly kind of a come to Jesus moment for this man and for the industry as a whole because we don't know how all of this is gonna kind of roll out. So welcome to Last Podcast on the Left. I'm Henry Zabrowski. I'm sitting here with Ed Larson. Hello.

And we have an illustrious filmmaker. By far the coolest interview we've ever had. Hey, well, I will say we had Dan Aykroyd once. Yes. But we have Ryan Kyle Kugler. Do you have a vodka that you need to push? Wait, wait, before, yeah, we should have covered that before. Are you selling vodka? No. I wish I did, bro. Can I say that

you're leaving money on the table? Yes. I mean, I got nothing to push, bro. That's unfortunate. I got nothing but a movie. Because this is podcasting and unfortunately you need a movies whatever I Need you to have an exercise machine That you're selling that also helps me from being infected by the government's choices I got nothing man. I got a humble movie. You know me coming to theaters every 18th, buddy Oh, that's about it, bro Let me do this. These guys don't know everybody knows this is the man who made Black Panther This is the man that made Creed that made me audibly weep in a theater. I guess I cried

Masculine big fat masculine tears you got Sylvester Stallone nominated for a second Oscar I Mean I mean I think he got he got himself nominated We know The reason why you're here those movies are too important and good for us to talk about This is something that we're talking about that is extremely amazing this film Sinners that you have made it's coming out April 18th. You have come down to the horror world You're making an extremely big thick ass

Horror movie that are people gonna love and say thank you so much for talking to us people like sinners world. I Appreciate that you guys man That means the world I love the genre You guys saying I'm coming down to it. I feel like I was coming up to it. You know I'm saying like like um Cuz because when I was in you know before I even went to film school my first my first short film was I'll make we have We have we have horror elements to him but I didn't feel like I was I didn't feel like I was good enough to make that step yet, man.

And I kinda got away from it. What do you mean by not good enough? We actually watched your movie, Lox. It's a beautiful film. I'm talking before Lox, bro. Like I was making stuff before that. You know, like Lox I think was like my second year of graduate school, no, my second semester of graduate school. But I was making shorts when I. You know, like, Lox, I think, was like my second year of graduate, no, my second semester of graduate school.

But I was making shorts when I was in undergrad, when I first learned that I wanted to make movies in. And then I made a couple things at C, you know, that, you know, one of them actually was the thing that got me recommended for Fruitville. But nobody will ever see all those movies. It wasn't legal for us to submit all those movies to festivals or anything like that.

And they weren't good enough. But I've been in love with the genre, man, and wanting to make something in that zone. Since I learned I wanted to make movies, that was my first instinct. But then I made Lox. Lox was the first thing I could submit to festivals, you know, based on my rules at the school and ended up making things more in that tonality.

But this was kind of a homecoming for me. That folks who really know me, who are around, you know, know I have this type of passion for horror cinema. Man, what are your favorite horror movies? Yeah, we need to not just what inspired sinners, but what inspires you in general kind of? Yeah, man, my favorite horror movies man. Um, I Was saying number one is the thing yes Now you consider that horror over sci-fi. Yeah, sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I consider the thing cosmic horror. Um You know, it definitely has has science fiction elements as well

I must almost tell you bro, even though I love genre cinema. I don't like the concept of genre like it annoys me like having to having to having to classify things, and especially like after after making this movie, you know, because I can research and, you know, the movie deals with a lot of things, but it's drama, action, horror. It's everything. But you're unlocking something. It's like hereditary was the first time I remember seeing as an adult, seeing a movie and I was like, horror is drama set on fire. Right. Like you were saying, I saw hereditary was the first time I remember seeing as an adult seeing a movie and I was like Horror is drama set on fire, right?

Is a big one for me I love that movie. Yeah, and so when I watched sinners the first thing I thought of it was truly Refreshing about it is because yes what you're saying. I see what you're saying Yeah, it's a horror movie because of the elements that are within it, but all of the stuff feeds What the movies about? Yes. Yes. No, no 100% like like like the thing is is because of the elements that are within it. But all of the stuff feeds what the movie's about. Yes, yes, no, no, 100%. Like the thing is, is I always work from the standpoint of knowing what my worst fear is as an artist. And I'm always kind of dealing with that in my movies.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And in this movie, I dealt with all of them. Like all of my worst fears are in this. I just dumped them all in there. you know what I'm saying? And in this movie, I dealt with all of them. Like all of my worst fears are in this. I just dumped them all in there, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. And, but what I was saying about genre was like, in studying for this movie,

I was studying Delta Blues music. And I discovered like, I discovered that for a long time when the music business was like first commodified in this country, you know, genre itself was a tool of racism, you know? Like if a black person sang a song and then a white person sang the same song, you know, they would put those two songs into two different genres.

You know what I'm saying? Like the black song would be called a race record. And then the white person singing the song, that might be called bluegrass. Or like pop. Or like a change to a thing. Exactly. And you know, the music industry, you know, came before the film industry. You know what I'm saying? Like it's an older industry.

So a lot of the film business, it follows the whims of? Like it's an older industry. So a lot of the film business, it follows the whims of music because it's an older industry. You know what I'm saying? And that tradition is what causes like certain genres to be kind of like ghettoized. You know what I'm saying? Like this genre is beneath this genre.

The horror movie is beneath the costume drama. You know what I'm saying? Like this thing. So whenever I hear it with this genre, the horror movie is beneath the costume drama. You know what I'm saying? Like this thing, so whenever I hear it with this one and I'm trying to define it, or when I'm trying to classify a movie like Rosemary's Baby. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, what is, I was thinking about that. What exactly would you call it?

Yes, it has horror elements, but it's mostly a drama. Yeah, exactly. So you realize you realize it becomes you know like they had this ridiculous rule that the movie and Terry Guy's like called the one drop rule like uh for for for human beings right in in in his country at a time when when they were trying to trying to put the uh you know when they're trying to when they're trying to stick a part-time on type on top of humanity they said oh if you got one drop of black blood now that makes you black you know what I mean you know what when they're trying to stick a part-time on top of humanity, they say, if you got one drop of black blood, now that makes you black. You know what I mean?

Yeah. Which is so absurd when you hear this. But it's also, you know, you think about that with movies, it's like, hey, you got a couple of horror scenes, now that's a horror film. You know what I mean? Yeah. And it's like, well, it's Rosemary's baby. Like, how are we going to talk about this movie? Because the vast majority of it, you know, is a husband and wife talking to their neighbors. You know what I mean? Yeah.

You know, and so for me, you know, my favorite horror movies, they all are going to have an element of like a question mark. Like, yo, is that a horror movie? Because look, I'll tell you straight up like I think Steven Spielberg has created some of the most horrific images known to man like like, you know with jaws Raiders of the Lost Ark Ending bro, like what happened to the door he pops the thing

But but also man a movie like Jurassic Park like like like this by some of those velociraptor sequences The opening is lost forever sequence when a guy gets eaten. Yeah park like like like this by some of those velociraptor sequences the opening velociraptor sequence when a guy gets eaten yeah and by something in a box that you can't see you know or or the t-rex sequence when he is raining and night and the cup is rippling and and you know he's coming fucking eyes coming by that coming by the you know come about a car and it's breathing on the glass the the velociraptor opening the, I was on it on the kitchen on the kitchen tile You know what I'm saying like like, you know, that movie is so scary. It literally scares dogs

Like there's so much footage of it like scaring dogs Scary dogs know it's scary. Yeah, dog. Yeah dogs not fucking with you. Yeah, I make it that thing off Dogs know it's scary. Your dog's not fucking with you. You're like, man, get that thing off. Dude, you know, even you just saying that, it really kind of blows something up for the center of the movie for me. Like, you know, we're trying to avoid all spoilers as we go, but I do think that, like, it starts off like you have an idea of what these things you're dealing with are in the movie. Yeah. Right, like she calls them, it's like, haints, I believe is the term. She calls them haints, and then you like clarify that they're vampires.

Yeah. Which is kind of like almost the same thing. It's like it's, you're clarifying the genre of the one we're dealing with here. Yeah. Absolutely, man. Like it's so much fun, bro. Like look, a big inspiration for big, a big, uh, uh, inspiration for the movie was also the Twilight zone. You know, like, you know, that, that, that's

my, you know, the twice on is like, my, it's like my filmmaking Bible. If I had one, you know, it does have a monsters on Maple street kind of feel. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. My favorite episode of Twilight zone is not as, it's not as like talked about, but it's an episode called The Last Rites of Jeff Myrtlebank. And it's about a guy in a southern Midwestern town, depression area, who wakes up at his own funeral. And it's about the fallout of the town, trying to figure out what's going on with this guy, you know? And it's just beautiful filmmaking, bro. It's funny. It's scary. It's smart. You know what I mean? And like for me, you know, that shit, it has like a few scenes that could

maybe delve into horror, you know what I'm saying? But most of it is just like slice of life in this town, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Have you ever seen Handling the Undead? No, what is that? It's a new film that came out in 2024 and it's kind of like that where it's a highly emotional zombie film. Where it's a very understated movie where everybody's coming and it's the same thing people just show back up and they're all like what the fuck are you doing like

i'm happy to see you but what the fuck are you doing here like it's that stuff but i love it because then it's like the idea of like they don't have a working knowledge of what zombies are and i also like how the main character which also i don't know if it like the research is awesome Yeah, that you put it because we're watching the characters learn with us We just always fun When you will go into the esoteric teachings and all like it's like how far did you go? Like how have you like experienced any of this stuff? Have you went to like, you know, like when you were researching about like who do and folk magic? Yeah, like do you know do you have any personal connections to that? Do you know anybody does that?

I mean, I mean my wife who's my producer on this when she found a consultant for us You know, I'm big on consultants, bro I work with a lot of consultants when I make when I make movies out of fear of just not one people to Who are knowledgeable about the subject matter we make and to sit in the theater and see us get it wrong on a giant screen. You know what I'm saying? It takes a smart man to ask questions. Yeah, yeah. So she found us an incredible consultant. Her name is Dr. Yvonne. What was her last name?

Oh, Sev. Oh, my bad. Sev found that I consulted our other producer my wife my wife zenzis here Um, hi Yeah, yeah. Hi ryan's wife Nice to see mr. Kugler. What's wrong with Ryan's wife? Sorry, yeah Yeah, yeah zenzi kugler Is uh is uh is my boss's name. The doctor's name was Dr. Yvonne Sherrill.

She read the script, gave feedback, and helped us to make sure that the ritual where Annie, who's our conjure woman in the movie where she feeds Smoke's mojo bag, which is a good luck charm that's very, very famous and talked about in blues culture. Sometimes it's called a mojo hand. Sometimes it's called a Johnny Conker root, you know, but, but, um, you'll hear, you'll hear this referred to in extremely famous blues songs, you know, uh, but, but, you know, all that stuff, I wanted it to be real, man. Like in, um, you know, I love, uh, you know, I mean, it's like, it's a lot of filmmakers

carrying the torch for that, right? Like, um, like Robert Eggers. Yeah. Who's your buddy too? We, a little bird birdie told us your friends with him and you guys are both. Well, yeah, yeah. Robert and I have the same agent who's like, who's like, who's like a, who's an incredible person, bro. Like Craig Castile, who are, who are contact as we write, like Walter and Craig, yes. Oh yeah. have been in each other's lives for the better part of a decade.

And Craig loves cinema, man. And he loves his job, bro. He really does. So I've been hearing about Robert forever. And we finally got a chance to exchange info. But I love the feeling of, or fully realized in tactile world where you can feel that the filmmakers cared, you know? You know, it's a deep history of that.

And, you know, we wanted the magic in this movie to feel like everything else, like the music, like the dance in the movie. Like we wanted it to feel real and lived in and respected. Yeah, it's beautiful. I saw a statement that you made about how you want people to feel like they're in a place, and that when you are trying to make art, that you're trying to bring someone to a place,

how you do that? trying to make art, that you're trying to bring someone to a place. How do you do that? I mean, please, if you could just have one do that. Yes, it's funny, man, because like, because for a long time, film was how I traveled, you know, like like watching. I still to this day haven't been to Brazil, but I've seen City of God, you know, I feel like I feel like I've been mentally. I didn't get to New York until I was like 22 years old and one of my films got into

the Tribeca Film Festival. But I felt like I had been to New York all the time watching movies like Coming to America and Marty Scorsese movies, you know what I'm saying? So for me, a big part of it, not that I had this incredible blessing to be able to make movies. I think about that. I say, well, this is how a vast majority

of my audience is gonna experience Philadelphia. You know what I'm saying? I don't wanna fuck this up. Like, I don't want somebody who is from Philadelphia to pay a ticket to see what they think is a rocky movie and only to realize that man we we got Philadelphia completely wrong you know what I'm saying like like like so they care too oh yeah and they'll they let you know in an audible way they're gonna say a bunch of horrible words at you if you don't you know what I mean so so look bro like

like i'm like 27 28 years old and and. Cause Fruitville was my first movie and that was about my hometown. I knew what the Bay Area was. I knew it was the back of my hand. So it wasn't a concern. But for Creed, I freaked out, bro. Cause I realized, oh my God, this responsibility is on my shoulders.

So one of the first things I did was I took my locations manager and my teamster, my head of the first thing, one of the first things I did was I took my locations manager and my teamster, my head of the teamsters, I took them to the side, you know, blocked out three hours. I got a map of greater Philadelphia, like a big proper map, like the size of the ground. And I spent two and a half hours with them and just like like what's this neighborhood called? Why is he called that who is here? You know saying where I go if I want if I want a cheesesteak Where do I go if I want a lot of box? You know, you know, I mean like, you know

We went through it for two and a half hours marked up the whole calendar, you know, you know, Sam Yeah, and then and then I remember our head of travel. She was a black Philadelphian. You know what I'm saying, son? I brought her in and was like, hey man, tell me about Philly. You know what I mean? Like, you know, where are you from? Who's from over here? What's going on over there?

You know, I got this scene with bikes. Where do I go to do that? You know, like, and you know, so from there, I had like, I feel like I had a base understanding. I took a picture of that map and I had it on my phone. And I went and scholarly and went to these places. You know what I'm saying? And for me, it was the same thing for Clarksdale, Mississippi.

Louis and my composer and I, we went on the blues trail and we spent days in these places. We ended up shooting in New Orleans, which is very, very close. But, you know, very, very close, you know, like, yeah. But all of the defining characteristics of the Delta, you know, we made sure we were steeped in it, especially my production designer, Hannah Beechler, you know, so we knew how not to to to, you know, what not to shoot in Louisiana, you know, saying in order to not give ourselves up

to be a supervisor to make sure we can maintain we can maintain the structural integrity of the landscape. You know what I mean? And you know, so all of those things, all of those things matter, man. You know what I'm saying? Cause like, you don't get this music and this culture and these types of people without the place.

You know what I'm saying? Like the place is in constant call and response with the people that are there. You know what I'm saying? Like the place, the place is in constant call and response with the people that are there, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, can I ask? You literally just gave an education to a lot of people that would not know how to do that. It was actually quite, you have very good ideas. Now, obviously there's some Robert Johnson influence

here in this movie. Yeah, big time. And you do your research and all that, And I gotta ask a very last podcast question. How connected was Robert Johnson to the devil? Man, you know, it's funny, bro. Like, like there's a book on it talks about this in depth called deep blues by Robert Palmer. Um, and it's a lot of books on Robert Johnson, but what I found, what I found out that was so fascinating was that he was not the first person to say this Like there was a guitarist before him

Named Tommy Johnson who was actually the guy who said hey, I saw him I saw to the devil He taught me how to play the guitar. He will go around with a rabbit's foot You know what I mean? He was he made he made some incredible songs Robert Johnson kind of stole his story, you know. Okay. And when he did that, people knew he was kind of like saying he was the next Tommy Johnson, you know what I'm saying? And it was a lot of written about the fact that that story is not

a lot written about the fact that that story is not what you think it is like, like, you know, it is like, like, like, it's an anglicized version of the story that he saw the saws as the devil. It was really a deity named Papa leg by who is who is a West African deity at it from from the Yoruba tradition that was brought over over by enslaved Africans who's a different, like he's not Satan. He's not involved in Christianity. No, exactly. He's not involved in Christianity. It's a different deity who's associated with trickery and gifts.

But it really is like how I look at it, you know Um is a metaphor for the Faustian deal, you know, you know I'm saying like yes And now and that for me when looking at it was like, okay. Well, this is this is Maybe something that that lends itself towards the specificity of vampires when it comes to like the the supernatural Horror rugs gallery, you know Yes, so that's how you got to vampires. You're like, alright this so you basically were like this is what's closest Yes, sir. That's a great idea. Yeah. Yeah and an idea of a deal, you know You know I'm saying to get out of a situation like mortgaging, you know mortgage in something for something else You know like like it's something that I think

mortgaging something for something else. It's something that I think oppressed people of all cultural backgrounds are very familiar with. My inspiration for this movie was my relationship with my uncle James, who's from Mississippi. He was the oldest male member of my family. And I was very close with him, man. I got, you know, I loved him very much. And a part of my, something that I had to give up in pursuit of being a professional filmmaker to be able to have this movie to talk to y'all about, I had to leave my family a lot.

I had to miss a lot of shit, birthdays and weddings and just general get togethers, you know what I'm saying? Because I was away at film school, I was off shooting a movie. The year I made Creed, you know, was the year he was terminally ill. You know what I mean? He got sick and died.

And I maybe saw him once or twice that year. And when I got the call, he had passed away. I was in a post-production facility in Los Angeles. I was at a place called wildfire post and I felt like shit that I wasn't on my uncle's side You know what I mean? Because I was because I was pursuing this dream. You know what I'm saying? He knows you love him. No 100% bro, but but the thing is like the thing is is like The question of what what you give up to get something You know like like that like that was always what you give up to get something, you know what I'm saying?

Like that was always what I saw that Tommy Johnson and Robert Johnson fabled. That's what that was about. I'm gonna make you a great guitar player, but in exchange for your soul. Is there anything that you would sell your soul to do? He's already doing it. No, but you mean besides this. His life's great. Something super hard.

Please, sell his soul. Some crazy stuff. I mean, it would have to be something for my kids or something to guarantee. That's a waste. You know, like to guarantee. That's a waste, it's on them. It's on them, they can sell their souls.

To guarantee, you know what I'm saying? All my descendants, you know what I'm saying? Gotta live wonderful lives saying go to you know, you know live Wonderful lives and got it and go to heaven, you know sound I might I might consider putting that on the line You know, I mean, but yeah, that's actually a wonderful answer mine sub turn invisible It's really it that's really all I need You a cheap date. That's it. That's all I want to do.

I got to ask a question. We go back to Robert Eggers for a second. Y'all know each other. You got the same agent. Both of you make vampire movies. Within a year of each other. What the fuck, bro? What the fuck is this? Is that my

vampire year dude. I mean what's crazy about him bro is he's been trying to make that movie forever. Yes. He's been trying to make that movie since he was a kid. You know what I'm saying? So like, yeah and he beats it a punch by a long shot. You know what I'm saying? I hope he not upset with me.

You know what I mean? No, no. They're completely different. They're utterly different. I don't think it could be more, unless they, except for they're both period pieces, but they could be more, they couldn't be more different. Can you imagine how big of a fucking prick you have to be to be like, I see one vampire film a year.

I will not see a second film involving a vampire. I'm sure they exist, you know what I'm saying? But I'm hoping, I'm hoping people, people got it in to check out another one. You know what I'm saying? But no, I'm hoping people got it in to check out another one, you know what I'm saying? Oh, they will. Oh yeah, dude, it's the shit, because it's also, it's bigger than horror, it's got so much to it, it's so thick,

it's got so much history in it, it's awesome. To bring a budget like this to a horror film is just like thank you for like giving it recognition is a great year for horror. Right. Between Nosferatu and the substance and you like this is great. Yeah. Screamboat.

Oh yeah. Have you even seen Screamboat? I did. No dude. You're surprisingly good. It's fine. We saw it. It's about it's the new it's when Steamboat Willie went copyright free.

A guy made like a movie just Immediately about a killer version. It's the guy from terror fire who is doing this It's very silly Yeah Is there another horror thing that you in your head that you want to hit at some point? Like is there something that you want to do? Like is there like a remake or is there something that you're like jonesing for? Man, so many things, bro. Yeah, so many things. Like, I can't, you know, I can't say on the

pod because I wouldn't be able to get a deal done. Come on, come on, come on. That's how we do it. That it's not, it's not. Yeah, but like like like when you when you were saying, like, what's my favorite word from my I'm like, bro, it's so many, it's so many like that that I just absolutely adore it, bro. Also, do you love the question when you're selling the show and the movie that you've been working on for four years? And then the first thing I ask is, so what's next? Yeah. Oh, the movie hasn't've been working on for four years and then the first thing I ask is so what's next? Used to it bro, I don't like I'm I'm I'm I'm working on X-Files bro

Seriously, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah You're a great choice. That's awesome. That's what that's what that's what's immediately nice Um, that's what that's what's immediately nice. Oh, that's cool No, you know, so I've been excited about that for for a long time And and I fired up to get to get back to it And that and that that would you know some of the same as I was on if we do our jobs, right? We'll be really fucking scary and you're talking to Jillian Anderson You tell her I said I'm talking to the great Jillian Anderson. Yes, she's amazing. I waved at her one time.

Yeah, yeah. She's incredible. And, you know, fingers crossed there. I can't wait to see her. She already in Tron. I just seen a trailer for that. Oh, yeah. That's right.

She's in Tron. Really good. Yeah. When I spoke to her, she was she was she was finishing that up. But yeah, we're gonna try to make something really great, bro. And, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and,

and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and's right, she's in Tron, really good. Yeah, when I spoke to her, she was finishing that up. But yeah, bro, we're gonna try and make something really great, bro. And really be something for the real X-Files fans. And for the day, you know what I'm saying? And maybe find some new ones. Tell you what, we're cruel and we're cutthroat,

so just so you know. Just be, remember that the rest of us, we're actually unsatisfied Yeah, we're angry and we we don't have jobs You know, obviously we're excited about the horror movie and totally X-Files, you know, we love our aliens over here But I gotta say all of your movies including Creed are very like Music is such a key part of it. It's very it's obviously very important to you

And I love you know, I'm in I love everything you did with music and sinners It was really especially the one scene that's like one of the coolest scenes I've ever seen the audience applauded. Yes Yeah That's like one of the coolest scenes I've ever seen. The audience applauded. Yes. Oh, man. The audience applauded at the end of that scene. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was straight up like coolest music video I've ever seen. It was very interesting. But you do something that I miss from movies, and especially with Black Panther and Wakanda Forever, is the specialized companion album.

Yeah. And that was something that was like, we saw a lot in the nineties, you know, stuff like that. And I don't, I was recently complaining that it doesn't happen more often and sinners needs an album. It's coming, bro. Yeah. It's really good. Like, really, really, really good. It's you know, I think I think this I'm biased, obviously, but I think the score is some of Louis's best work in this soundtrack is some of his best work as well. And that space like it's incredible. I was saying that as we were watching it, I was like, this is feels like because you know what you're doing to do that is amazing is that it's what you and Robert Eggers are doing,

and I mean this, and it's not just because I'm a little Hollywood little man, but you guys are doing great stuff for movies, because you're making them big, and you're making them events. You're making them people, you're getting, you're putting butts in theaters again, which is gonna turn our town back around.

You know? Because I saw somebody begging for lentils outside of arawan the other day Was so scared for that woman There was a woman and I I swear she could have been 20 she could have been 85 She was on her knees begging for the new guy. I think they're called Ruby lentils said everyone This town needs you I'm a hero one. This town needs you. Oh my God, bro.

And you know- I didn't know where that was going, bro. Yeah. Oh, man. It's just scary out here. Yo. Okay, Andre 3000, good flu player or not? Fantastic, bro.

I find him in a party scene. We saw him twice. We seen him twice. We saw him twice. We love that album. No, no, check game. He performed in this venue called the Cave up north in Napa, bro. And I was like, I was like, the whole time he was playing, bro, I was like, yo, somebody got to put a movie theater in the cave because this shit is sick. Like, it was like, like stone walls and shit. And I was literally, I was literally going to ask like, it was like, uh, uh, like stone walls and shit. And I, and I, and I was literally, I was literally gonna ask like, who got a projector? Cause I'm about to throw some shit up. Like, but yeah, man, he makes you feel like you floating. Doesn't he? Oh my God.

We saw him at the Hollywood forever. Uh, the Masonic. Yeah. Yeah. We saw the Masonic lodge. It was unbelievable. I thought I was going to float. Yeah. Can I ask you all a question? The least coolest people in the room for sure. Can People never ask you a question, bro. Yeah. I'm not only trying to answer all sincerity, but I'll give me the fake podcast answer. Give me the real answer. Okay. Would y'all watch centers at the cemetery, bro? Hollywood forever. Yep. I mean, of course. That's where it belongs. Please get it done. Yeah. Make it happen. We had, I mean, I won't say we're a horseshit podcast and we had 4,000 people at the cemetery. You're going to fucking that will be an event. Okay, man. Someone playing blues man

Yes, somebody they're playing blue like people will freak out. It would be amazing. I bet Get to work on after after hopefully after hopefully a robust Yeah, also, I needed George Clinton biopic by the way if you could no one's done it I don't it just needs to happen at some point if you at least produce it you know that's not that's not that's not a bad idea at all bro he's still that he's still alive he's amazing he's been listening to a lot of George Clinton bro I could tell well obviously referenced I was today years old when I realized on an atomic dog the whole beat He's panting like a dog. Oh my god

He literally just makes fart noises into instruments Bootsy right Bootsy's in them in the movie Bootsy's in the movie. I mean So you might want to check out some of the little films this man has made like Fruitvale Station Wakanda forever a black panther you might want to but if not check out his newest, incredible, like honestly, you're gonna fucking love it. Sinners, it comes out April 18th, everywhere. Go see it in IMAX, go see it big. Yes, and thank you for the ending, by the way.

I've been waiting to see that in cinema forever. And you did it, and I appreciate it, thank you. Right on, right on. It definitely had like the right amount of the Tarantino kind of thing it's like It has been such a pleasure and an honor talking to you man, they're likewise Thank y'all for having me man. Best of luck with everything man. I really I'd offer you luck, but you don't need it my man. No up everything. Can you know what you're doing?

Can you offer us luck? He just did. No good, good, good. He just did. That's it, I'm done. Okay, we're good. Dude, thank you. Mr. Coogler, please.

Thank you very much. Have a great one. Goodbye Ryan's wife. Bye! Mrs. Coogler! All right, Joe. See you guys. Thank you, man.

Be good. Fly from your grave. Well that was fucking cool. What a boring guy. And what a simple chin filmmaker. And I cannot believe that he would do that. Wow, that's amazing. That is really cool.

He's great. Literally the advice. I feel like he smelled good through Zoom. He does. The advice that he put into that idea of what you do to make a movie a location is actually solid, crazy advice. Yes. It's amazing. He's great. Wow.

Well, thank you guys so much. April 18th. Go see Sinners. Oh, I forgot to ask him where to eat in Oakland. Fuck. All right, text him. Let's get him back. Call him back. eat in Oakland. Fuck. Alright, text him. Let's get him back. Call him back!

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Let's give it a good that you want that is produced prestigious interview just burped during the While we were talking to him well also if you're not gonna go see sinners on April 18th come to our show in Detroit It's gonna be a lot of fun. See it in the morning See our show at night and come yell at us about it after the show. That would be great. Alright guys, be good to yourselves, and hail Ryan Coogler.

Hail Satan.