Last Podcast On The Left - SNEAK PEEK /// Last Update on the Left / JonBenét Ramsey

Episode Date: April 12, 2024

From the twisted comedic minds that brought you Last Podcast on the Left and Side Stories, Last Podcast Network proudly presents a brand new show exclusively available on Sirius XM, Last Update on the Left, a weekly show where the boys update you on some of your favorite Last Podcast topics and dive even deeper into the world of the macabre! This week we reopen one of the most mysterious cases in True Crime History… the unsolved murder of JonBenét Ramsey.

There's no place to escape to. This is the last time. On the left. That's when the cannibalism started. What was that? Can I get an update please? Hey mister, can I get a spare update please? I'll give you an update.

You're fat again. The tumor in my belly is growing. Hey everybody, this is last update on the left. Whoa, what is that Marcus? I'm Henry Zabrowski. I'm Marcus Parks. With us also is Ed Larson. Hello! I'm an idiot!

Yep! So we have a new show! We have a third show for everybody. Wait a second, I'm doing a third show? Yeah! All of us are doing a third show! Wow! Yeah! God! Yep! Time isn't real. No. Yeah, wow, we're doing a third show. Yeah. It is. It's really wonderful. It's called Last Update

on the Left. What we're doing is because we've been doing this show since Zoomers were come, we are taking a look back at old topics, old ideas, and we're giving them a refresh. Yep, we're going to be looking at what our takes were back then and what we were doing with those shows and what information was available at the time on these topics. In the 10, 15 years since we've done some of these things, a lot of new shit's come out. In the 10, 15 years that we've done these things, things a lot of new shits come out and the 10 15 years that we've done these things Not much new has come out, but our views on these subjects can sometimes change

So that's what the update show is all about and I don't really know much about it. Yeah, it's good for me to learn Yeah, we're teaching that about all this cool shit. So we're gonna start the update show We're gonna give you guys a little bit of preview here That said the show is gonna be available only on the serious XM app Don't worry last podcast on the left and side stories. Nothing changes there Those shows are still absolutely free, but you can find this show on the serious XM app Yeah, but for now you're gonna get the first one free Yeah, but then you get addicted and and then you gotta come back around,

and sometimes, well, maybe I ain't holdin'. And then you can get desperate, and then you can just start fuckin' bein' my butler. So we're gonna start with an update on an old favorite, one of the most popular true crime stories in the history of man, the murder of John Benet Ramsey. I didn't do it! Neither did I.

Now who is that? J-O-H-N. Benet. I love Benet. Exactly. See, I knew I'd get him in there. John Benet Ramsey. I hope she's okay.

Let's go for it. Fly from your grave. So should I not begin this with an act out of John Benet Ramsey? How does it go? I don't remember his John Benet Ramsey. Because we recorded this so incredibly long ago. See the only reason why I remember is how many times I've received emails people being really angry with my bit.

Now did you get more positive or more negative emails? Only negative. I remember... So maybe... But at the same time, don't I like making people angry? Why do I remember Tea for Two? Well yes, it was Jambonet Ramsey singing Tea for two and then asking if they could make a sexual act upon God That was a long time ago I'm Marcus Parks living in 2024 Henry's Rasky. Are you ready? Are you're not?

Henry Zabrowski, are you ready? Are you not living in 2011 anymore, are you? No, no, I've been dragged forward. I am here now. The only way I will play John Benet Ramsey is finally in a blind casting situation, which should happen. I should be allowed to play John Benet Ramsey in a film. Because I think if you don't allow me,

you're shutting me down. That's cancel culture That's the I didn't know John Benet Ramsey was a lesbian because we all know that God is a woman So we thought we were gonna come out the gate and make us not make everybody mad Yeah, yeah, it's too late. There's no way to do it at the gate and make us not make everybody mad. Yeah. It's too late. There's no way to do it. We're going to talk about John Benet Ramsey again.

Yeah. We had, well, I mean, I was about to say, we had a lot of fun with our John Benet Ramsey series. God, fuck. But it was interesting. There was a lot of interesting stuff in the John Benet Ramsey case, as there always is. I mean, the crazy thing about John Benet-Ramsey is that like the John Benet-Ramsey subreddit is still

highly active every single day. Oh yeah. It does not stop. People do not stop talking about this case. And we'll cover one of the latest updates that just came out about a month ago. Like 60 Minutes Australia did a whole thing with John Ramsay. This shit refuses to die. It's kind of like the millennial version of D.B. Cooper. Yeah. In a way where there are so many theories. Theories are still flying around because there has been no real, tangible new evidence that

has come out. We don't know. Except, well, there's one piece that we will talk about that I do think is very, very interesting. But the one thing that all of the new information that has come out since the R series and the information that was available at the time has convinced me even more so,

and this is controversial, that the parents did not do it. I don't think necessarily that the Ramses did it. I think at this point it's controversial if you think the Ramses did it I know that is you think the Ramses did it. You're a fucking moron. No, that is untrue It is still extremely mainstream to think that they did it and well will be immediately receive many emails saying that there's a difference between Being cold emotionally unavailable parents and being ones that murder their children. Yes, that's a huge difference. Just that not not there's not a single piece of evidence that points towards the Ramsey. Well, in fact, every single piece of evidence points away from the Ramsey.

It's also well, there are specifics, but then it seems to be who else would know that information that would allow that to be included, especially in the ransom? Well, we're gonna go through in some detail. It's such a sloppy murder to not have not be wrapped up. Yeah Well, that's that's the thing about it is that and we talk about it in the series is the og series Yeah, yeah The og series is the reason why it was not wrapped up and why is because the Boulder Police Department was highly incompetent. A lot of things got fucked up in the investigation. Really really fucked up.

Well let's go through, before we really get into it, let's go, let's have like a bit of a refresh of what happened to Jambonet Ramsey. I need it, so please. Yay! Oh Marcus, what happened? Yeah, is she okay? No, Marcus! Maybe this time the ending could be better.

She grew up and became Katy Perry. Oh! Well, actually, we will get to that at the end. That was a very real thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, the body of six-year-old Jambanee Ramsay was discovered by her father in the basement of the Ramsay home on the...

Well, okay, actually, I should do this. Maybe go a little true crime voicing. Please. The body of six-year-old Jambanee Ramsay was discovered by her father on the afternoon of December 26, 1996. Her body was left beaten, strangled, and sexually assaulted. Jambonet's mother, Patsy, realized her daughter was missing after finding a ransom note on the kitchen staircase, demanding $118,000. It was unusually long and presumed to be staged after the FBI determined the only fingerprints were from Patty and other officers. Jambonet's father, John,

pointed out that money was the exact amount he received as a Christmas bonus. the exact amount he received as a Christmas bonus. Oh, what a wonderful little this must be a gift list left by a curious young child. Oh, fat cats. I don't have $180,000. I don't know what I would do about this. Oh, down to the basement. Oh, holy shit. It's not me.

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Meanwhile, friends, family, victims advocates and the family's minister all came to the house to pay their respects. One friend even cleaned up the kitchen and possibly destroyed evidence. Yeah, there was a lot of problems. There were a ton of problems. Inexperienced investigators destroyed a lot of evidence. Yeah, there was a lot of problems. There was an inexperienced investigators destroyed a lot of evidence. There was evidence that was left of the scene that was not really tied into anything because we now know that there was a window with scuff marks and there was luggage that was left out.

There was a lot of stuff. And then her body was also horribly mutilated and she was sexually assaulted. I mean, you're getting way, You're getting way ahead of us here. Oh, you're so bad? No, I'm gonna be talking about all of the... mutilations. ... ...

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... ... ............... Her body was super mutilated, but come on, you know? Do it! Yeah, what happened to her? The autopsy revealed John Benet was killed by strangulation and a skull fracture. Although no semen was found, there was a vaginal injury. The paintbrush was used to strangle her. The bristle end of the paintbrush was discovered amongst Patty's art supplies. They found pineapple in her stomach contents. John and Patsy both claimed

they didn't feed John Bonet pineapple Christmas evening. See that's better than just saying she was Drago and she was mutilated. I didn't know the pineapple thing. The pineapple thing does come up and it does hurt people later on. Yeah well that's the thing is that they didn't actually find the body until 1 p.m. Yeah, that's when John and his friend Fleet White swept the house to see if anything seemed amiss. They were kind of just giving John something to do. Yeah, like he's just kind of milling around. It's like all right, just go check all the doors like top to bar all the rooms top to bottom. And then that's when they found John Benet. Her mouth was covered in duct tape, her wrists and neck were bound by a nylon cord and a paintbrush, and her torso was covered in a white blanket.

And the police also failed to secure even that crime, they failed to secure even the crime scene where the body was found because John picked up the body and carried it upstairs. The cops didn't stop him. They didn't say anything like, no, no, no, this is a crime scene. Like, it was completely fucked. That's the reason why, like that's why this crime, while it was so sloppy, has still never been solved. Probably never will be solved.

Didn't they fuck up too with like footprints outside and they were like, they were, they didn't carden off the front lawn and there was snow. And so we couldn't figure out whose footprints were whose. They just said like, oh, there were no footprints leading to and from the house, but that was just to kind of cover their own ass because somebody had to have left and returned to the house at some point because all of the stun gun that was used to shock her was never

found anywhere. Well, that's a new revelation. That's brand new. That's not brand new. Actually, we talked about it in our series. I thought that the stun gun mark was just recently confirmed to be a stun gun mark. Bill James talked about it in his book, Popular Crime, we talked about it.

Like, that's been, the stun gun has been around for a long time. Yeah, cause also stun gun technology wasn't really new. Like, it wasn't, how do you put it? It hadn't been fully modernized. So it was like, it was kind of very, very specific to see that it was a stun gun mark on her body. How much of a pussy is this murderer

that he has to stun gun a little girl before he bludges her? Well, what it is, it's stunning her. Like the theory is that he stunned her in her bed. Hey, you keep saying he It could be a woman No, no Simmons, no, they did find mild underneath her fingernails. Oh, oh, no. Yeah, they found male DNA and her fingernails Yeah again didn't match the father didn't match the mother. Yeah, didn't match the brother match nobody that I mean

That's the thing like the FBI like ruled that Ramsey's out within like a few days. Like it was the Boulder Police Department's like, no, it's the parents. No, it's the parents. But you don't understand. That's because her father was creating the computer program that helped plan 9-11. I remember. And so she got caught. He got cut out because he bought the judges to have them not look into the case.

I remember. And that happens all the time. And it not look into the case. I remember. And that it happens all the time. And it's not a difficult process. And certainly you're not watching the former president of the United States of America struggle with the own judges he hired. And there's, you know, for a fact that it's so easy to flip them.

Mm-hmm, yes indeed. But, you know, that's what we, like that's basically what we know. And then there was a, you know, and then there was a you know The ransom note was very long. It had they said it was talking about fat cats Yeah time about fat cats as it was signed s BTC, you know, which nobody has ever really figured out what s BTC means It's you know, and the biggest thing about single boy titty committee Just thinking. Just spitballing here. And you know of course the big thing is

that John Benny Ramsey was a child pageant star. Yeah it was gross. She had won a ton of prizes, like she was like the biggest child, she was basically the biggest child pageant star in America at the time. Yeah she was the goat while she was still a kid Go to Eddie Toon If you really want to think if you want one that you have to stop for a second Eddie tunes that condoms where you can go to book this modern genius. Even more of that. I got a question about her. Do you think her body ever left the property?

No. No. She was never actually kidnapped. No. So what's the purpose of the note? I have an idea but we'll get to it. Yeah, well let's go through some of the suspects that we didn't cover in our John Benet Ramsey series, starting with Bill McReynolds. Police sources never

considered Bill McReynolds or his wife Janet serious suspects, but Patsy and John referred to him, Bill McReynoldsnolds as a suspect in their book the death of innocence No, who was he? He was the guy who was hired to play Santa Claus Never get back at all these children who force him to work. All these precious Christian children. Each December forcing me to work. When I got here my suit was white. Well Bill had been hired, he was a retired University of Colorado journalism professor.

Apparently a very sweet man who just played, he hired himself, that was kind of his like retirement job, hiring himself out to be Santa Claus. Guilty! The man's guilty! Patsy hired him to play Santa Claus at their Christmas parties in 1994, 1995, and 1996. Damn, what a side man. Which was the year that JonBenet was killed, because JonBenet was killed right around Christmas. So it was Christmas Eve But she was killed. 26th, 25th, it was Christmas night. It's Christmas night the night 25th going into the 26th

I believe yeah, because they had the Ramses had a holiday party on December 23rd And of course he also Bill McGrenald's had a little bit of a connection to John Benet Ramsay. He said that she gave him a vial of glitter gold on Christmas one year and that no child had ever given him a gift, he'll be in Santa. So he took the glitter with him to this heart operation. I don't... that's nice. It's nice from a little girl. Every one of these men's description of John Benet Ramsey makes me like upset. You know what I mean? Like, I know how to put this.

Like, I love our friends' kids. But I don't see them. You know, like, I kind of see little blobs. Well, all of our friends' kids are very young. Sure. They're all toddlers. Like, they're just now starting to get personalities. Yes.

But I'm just saying that, like, when I look at children, I don't like register children. No, right. I don't think of children. I just know that I can't smoke weed too close. Yes. That's what I've been asked to do by society. Yeah. I know I have to watch my step. But this man is describing a nine year old as six. This is when she's six. Yeah as with a pensive almost retiring demeanor and an angelic glow She's fucking like Charlize Theron, he's a little girl She is a champion so you're gonna be like, you know this kid's sexy enough for the national stage.

We gotta throw her out there so that I can imagine what she's like when she's an adult. No you gotta think of like Santa Claus. A pensive, almost retiring demeanor with an angelic glow. Yeah, but that's what you say about a town dentist. Also, I'm not bringing glitter to a heart operation. That is... They didn't even try to bring glitter to a fucking bathroom. That's what it'd be like.

Be like, oh my God, his aorta is fabulous. Well this guy was at the Ramsay home for their holiday party on December 23rd. That is why he was questioned for the first time because he was one of the many people in and out of the Ramsey home in the days leading up to JonBenet's death. I hate to tell you this, okay? I know you guys all think I did this, me being Santa Claus. But what if I told you I couldn't possibly have done this? Because unfortunately I am gay. Well, an original prosecutor on the case told CNN that Bill McReynolds gave John Bonet a card that year with a message saying,

You will receive a special gift after Christmas. I just can't do a fat guy voice. I'm not fat. Yeah, yes, you. That was a bad voice. No, it's not bad, but it's... You got a game or a waiter on the throat. Oh yeah, that's right.

My throat's too skittly. You will receive a special gift after Christmas. Let me try it like this. You will receive a special gift after Christmas Let me try like this you will receive a special gift after Christmas She is you want you want really good until the bees is the reason we're here. Let me show you here's my fat man voice Hey Marcus He did to himself he did he's a good roaster can roast himself No matter fact he roasts himself first, each morning. That's right.

My nuts. Well, there was also the fact that his wife Janet had written a play with eerie similarities to the case. The plot revolved around the real life murder of a 16 year old girl from Indianapolis, who was molested and tortured before being left dead in a basement. The McReynolds family also had a tragedy on December 26, but 22 years earlier, in 1974, when their daughter and her friend were kidnapped and the daughter witnessed her friend be sexually assaulted. No one was ever charged for the crimes. Could be that person Yeah, the McReynolds told police that they were extra sensitive to the nature of this crime due to what happened to their daughter

Yeah, it sounds like she wrote the play about what happened to their daughter I think she just tried to deal with it. Yeah, we'll try to deal with different way. Yeah, I'm not saying in a bad way I'm just saying like yeah, that's why she wrote that play. It's not killing John Benet Ramsey. No, it's about what happened to their fucking family I think so the couple gave handwriting and hair samples to the police never formally linked to the murder But they got enough shit. They had to deal with enough bullshit. They fucking moved to Cape Cod Oh, yeah, so they could just end up, you know, Bill McReynolds died of a heart attack in September 2002 But now he can go up to heaven and meet the real Santa. Weird old Greek man, Nicholas.

You know, that I believe he like crawled out of the gut of a deer or something, you know what I mean? You know those old, like tiny style miracles? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Give me more little people Well, that's okay bill mcgrath not a suspect not a suspect but not a suspect but glad we spend that time Yeah, but there's candy cane man. Okay. It sounds very much like a creepy candy cane I'm candy cane man

This suspect took one of the decorative candy canes that line the front walkway at the Ramsey's house the night of the murder. He removed it from their yard a week after the murder, quote, because it was there. Oh, like Mount Everest. Yeah. I mean, we used to do that.

We used to steal people's lawn stuff around Christmas time. Yeah, I mean, a little girl was raped to murder in the house, but yeah. You don't want to do that all the time. Last thing they want to do girl was raped and murdered in the house, but yeah. You don't wanna do that all the time. Last thing they wanna do is see candy canes. It just reminds them of their little girl. I'm helping them out.

I don't know, I think with, honestly, Patsy Ramsey is a very strange woman, so I do think that she might've been like, the candy cane's gone. Like, she might be that style of like, there was supposed to be 27 candy cans. Now there's only 26. How much else are we supposed to be 27 candy canes. Now there's only 26. How much else are we supposed to lose?

What else bad can happen at Christmas? Again, a very strange woman, but not a murderer. I must change my sweater. All the police officers are here. Like Jane Curtin in Coneheads. However, it turns out some of the candy canes were missing on December 26th when JonBenet's body was found. The investigators believe the killer or killers could have taken them as a souvenir of sorts,

so they turned their attention to their man, who also once admitted to having an obsession with JonBenet and built a shrine to her that he now keeps on his laptop. I'm gonna say, the JonBenet Ramsey Shrine seems to be a thing that keeps popping up and it's kind of rough. It's really common. It seems to be a lot of these guys. It's disturbingly common. Yeah, and I do see why, if soon as I know that you have a John Benet Ramsey Shrine,

like you do end up on the list of subjects. Oh, without a doubt. On the suspects. You're gonna be on that list. Yeah, you're gonna be questioned. Yes, someone's gonna come and look at you because again, it's just hard to like, it's if she had a TV show, we can maybe talk about it. Like if she'd put on an album, you know what I mean? But you can't just, how do you put it? Make a full time

stand over a local child's pageant winner. Yeah. She never knew how famous she got. You know she would have been so happy she would have met Amanda Bynes. Yeah. But this man voluntarily provided a DNA sample and was cleared when it didn't match the samples found underneath JonBenet's fingernail. He aggressively offered a DNA sample. Which I did not like. paint in the police department with my DNA. Oh, what you want, eh? Listen, so do you want some from today or from last week? Because I save each droplet of cum. Every time I think of Jambaday Ramsay, I try to save each droplet of cum I express, even thinking about her, just so that maybe one day,

if I could bring her bones back to life, I can put a child inside of her. Is that enough? Am I being detained? Well the big like to do Well the big to do it so excited. I wish I could have been there Well the big to do when it came to jump in a Ramsey suspects The big to do came in 2016 When Burke Ramsey Jambonese brother, he was the one who was nine

at the time, right? Yes. Yeah. He was nine. He was nine. He went on the Dr. Phil show and spoke about his sister's disappearance for the very first time. And his appearance on the show, he was again, weird.

Yeah. Like he was a weird guy. Yeah, because he was smiling a little bit too much for people's liking and of course they all started pointing at her He did it He did it the most popular theory that Burke did it is more or less that he got up for a midnight snack of pineapple And when John Bonet heard him she got up follow them to the kitchen. She stole some of his pineapple She had an undigested pineapple in her stomach when she died and so he lost his temper, hit JonBenet

over the head with a flashlight. The family panicked and Jon and Patty staged the scene to make it look like a stranger broke into the home and then they wrote the note and they called the 911 and that's the stupidest fucking thing I've ever heard in my life. Yes, and they say apparently if you listen to the 911 call,

the original one is that you hear John saying, we're not speaking to you, Patsy saying, what did you do? While Berker's replying, what did you find? I just think it sounds like the normal chaos of a family finding that their young daughter is dead in their basement. Well, they did not. It's missing.

It's missing, yeah. Yeah, but still, I think that that's- You're frantic. Yeah, the day after Christmas, your child is missing. you're freaking out. Yeah, you just found a ransom note Yes Also, I just saw casting John Benet and they're like could a nine-year-old boy really crack a girl's skull open with a with a mag light flashlight and then they hired all these nine-year-old boys to crack watermelons open with old boys to crack watermelons open with a mag light and they just immediately say BAM! BAM! BAM! Holy shit. But also, a human head is much tougher than a watermelon. Is a six

year old's head tougher than a watermelon? Maybe not. Let's go find out. Excuse me, I'm just going to go down the street. There's a child. You see we have that dance school. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, let me go find out You know, this is the issue is that this is one of those where I'm just immediately like I can't even Ingest yeah, it's just so fucking dog They point towards Burke had Chad and his sisters bad and they had some conflicts and he had how sort of a violent outbursts, a burst against her once before. I don't see, I'm now, you know, maybe what it is, it's hard. Maybe I can't always extrapolate, but I've seen a lot of police investigation footage. I've seen a lot of it.

And the concept, and from what I've read in my years of reading true crime, the concept of parents covering for one child is extremely rare. For the murder of another child from within the family. Rare? I can't name a single fucking example. I'm being fair. I'm saying that the, I've very, I've not really heard, unless you're the Murdoch family, unless you're literally a crime family like the murdoch

family was a crime is now will be known in history as a crime family yes you know like lori vallo chad daybell that's a crime family now that is a thing that they are committing they're doing all this but like there's even then the murdochs weren't like you know it's fucking insane yeah yeah it's just like one of those things. It's just very, it's, it's outliers. Yeah. And so the idea of someone covering for their kid, it does, to me, does it necessarily make, it just doesn't make sense. I don't really understand why you would do that when you already, cause it's like the two kids are gone. You're just going to get blamed yourself. You're going to be a whole, it's going to be a whole thing, but it's, the evidence just isn't there.

And also why keep the child, if you're going to do that, why keep the child in the house? She also didn't die from the head wounds. The head wound is not how she died. She died from the strangulation. So that is one thing. They said they didn't discover the head wound until after, as like they had lifted her body and they moved it up.

So it wasn't even that notice. It was a head wound, but it wasn't like smashing a watermelon with a mag light. And it would probably be a lot more of a mess if a nine-year-old did it. Yeah. Yes. So I think, and again, my opinion.

But the thing that come back with that is that it occurred in the kitchen. And remember, the family friends had cleaned up the kitchen accidentally. Cleaned up all that. Cleaned up all that. So all that evidence is gone. And then the idea that day

So Burke nine years old so Burke is nine He's gonna kill his little sister like it just doesn't make any sense that you would go through all of the especially if you're gonna fake it if you are gonna fake it and cover up for your kid so then you're gonna go ahead and Sexually molest your dead daughter's corpse. Right? Like, might be hard language. But if you're going to go ahead and do that, right? Like, that's a whole, that's insane.

And then you are now going to write a note that then, with the number on it, that points to you. I still think that all of this is a fucking, this is all from the outside. But, you know. I absolutely, oh, it's, of course, all from the outside. Oh, well, it's of course all from the outside. Oh, he's also yeah, of course. He was weird Yeah, of course. He reacted weirdly after the fact of course He was he didn't he made him not have dislike his he might have disliked his sister

He was nine, you know Like he said that he drew a bunch of pictures of the family without John Benet in it He was probably like he probably got sicker her. He probably got all of the attention. Of course she got all the attention. You know, like she got all the attention. So in that way, maybe we're building more of like a case, but not for a nine year old. Not for like normal kids. That's all that shit's totally normal.

Yes. You used to torture Jackie. You didn't kill her. Jackie was the physical one. She was the one that used to hurt me. And then I could hurt. And then I'd hurt back. Yeah. And then my mom would come in and then she'd start crying. So fast.

But then she'd start crying. She'd start crying. Yeah, didn't you? I was stuck. Didn't you like pour like milk on your chest and shake your breasts at her or something? That was when we were getting along. Yeah, that was when the... Night.

We used to do that. The man of the night? Yeah, king of the night. King of the night. Yeah, because I used to put my homecoming king crown on and used to the man of the night. Yeah king of the night king of the night Yeah, cuz I used to put my homecoming King crown on and used to come in and pour milk all over my chest Now that we've gone through those old suspects Let's go through some of the newer ones that have come up since we recorded our episode Did we talk about the housekeeper last time?

I don't think we talked about the housekeeper at all last time. I said in the notes We have to talk about the house. We have to talk. Yeah, we're gonna do this right now You go ahead and you go for the housekeeper you take the lead on this So one of the biggest issues I think one of the biggest I think red flags in here So we're told there is information in that. So we brought up the ransom note. So this ransom note was written. We know that there was a couple quote unquote, like scrap draft ransom notes that were written

and were found in the garbage. We know that the person who was asking for ransom was asking for a number that matched John Ramsey's Christmas bonus. 118,000. So they saw it, right? They saw that amount of money. And so there was some tie-in to their housekeeper. So another housekeeper who did technically sue and won a defamation lawsuit because she was named in the book in the Death of Innoc innocence. Her name was Linda Hoffman Pugh. She was deemed a suspect because the statements

being made by the police about her, first up just asking for a loan. The night after the murder, the police showed up at Hoffman Pugh's house and demanded that she write the number 180,000 on a piece of paper and then went to go get all the DNA to try to sort her out, right? So she did not appear in the DNA that was underneath John Benning Ramsey's

fingernails. Um, she said that one, her father, her husband and Patsy boats are like the, the housekeepers, um, the housekeeper like try to throw Patsy under the bus. So essentially trying to say that Patsy had multiple personalities where Patsy is to stay run-of-the-mill, kind of like rich, aggravating woman. Yeah. Right, I think you can maybe see that, right?

But it's very interesting is that Linda Hoffman Pugh had called Patsy a couple of days before Christmas. So she said her sister, who was her landlord, was going to evict her, and she didn't come up with her past due rent. She asked Patsy if she could borrow $2,500. Patsy consoled Linda and agreed to lend her the money. In fact, Patsy intended to leave the check for Linda

on the kitchen counter before leaving for the Michigan trip, which they left when they came back, right? Which is when all this happened after they came back. Linda would let herself in the house and pick it up while they were gone for the holidays. And she would say weird stuff. She'd Linda remark one time, "'John Benet's so pretty, aren't you afraid

that someone might kidnap her? Which is like a fun thing. For your housekeeper to throw out. My mother used to say that kind of stuff all the time. Yeah, I know, no, I mean, just fine. That's just off color shit people say. That's 90s talk, like fear that everyone's getting kidnapped. Yes.

So they got her out of there. So the theory is that Lindum Hoffman Pugh led John Bonet into their basement, right? This is possible. What if using pineapple, not much like she is a dog, dog, using pineapple, using pineapple, like, yeah, but probably honestly, probably feeding her pineapple and bringing her down because I don't think it's that thing that she really liked, right? And attempt to trick her employers into leaving her money for ransom.

So maybe, so there's some evidence pointing towards, there could possibly be two people that have come into this house. So what if this housekeeper comes in that night, lets people into the house to quote unquote kidnap John Benet Ramsey. They stun gun the little girl. They attempt to bring her down. She brings them downstairs. They stun gun the little girl.

They attempt to do it. They kill the little girl in the process. They then have to figure out what to do with the body. This is why the piece of luggage was left out. That's why there's a scuff on the, on the window is because they either came in, they probably came in through the window and then tried to put the body into the suitcase, couldn't figure it out.

And that's why there's also the affi- they were all trying to figure out what to do. This is where I- What, so they started playing with a vagina? Yeah. No! No. Come on.

No. Let her get in there, come on. No. Trying to get a suit? No, I'm just saying that- This woman has already sued someone for defamation. No, not her. No, not her.

I'm saying that two, I'm saying there were two other people that were involved in this. So three total. Yes. And they came in to do the job to try to extract the money. Like it was all just supposed to be kidnapping and ransom. Something went wrong. And, you know, what we talk about, if you're gonna hire two guys to kidnap,

like I bet you there's a little bit of a chance that one of them might have other predilections and that might go a little too far in the room while you're dealing with something and then now you have to deal with it? I don't, that's, no. What, she's gotta go to the spares? So he's gonna hire someone

and this guy's just gonna be like, you know, I just can't help myself I've got to molest this little girl right now. You know what's funny. Yes Exactly what's happening what they send the housekeeper up to write the note Yes, and cuz she knows the she knows that's a very much. It's just a theory on the handwriting to Patsy Well, you know, it's close. Well, the handwriting analysis is Suspect it's all over the suspect. It's all over the place. It's all over the place.

Like I've seen, I've seen people claim the handwriting matches like four different people. That was something that we talked about in the altruism that it would like match to Patsy to 85%. But apparently the people who use like they use some sort of like new technique that wasn't quite proven yet to match the handwriting and it wasn't necessarily Like it's all muddled It's like everything in this fucking case everything is muddled because they say that it matches like other people whose DNA doesn't match

What was found underneath her fingernails? It's just a fucking it's a mess. Okay, the whole thing is an absolute fucking mess You want to get some new suspects? So yeah, well that was like yeah, that's one theory So you think the housekeeper did no, I don't think anything I legitimately it is the housekeeper theory is a theory that people put forth. Yes. It is all theory Yeah, it is all theory if you even remotely knew them. You're a suspect, right? Yes. Yes. Yes. That is the absolute truth. Yeah. Yeah, because Someone with inside knowledge made this happen. Maybe Well, I think that that's a reason why there was a specific amount these the number

$118,000 is too weird. That is the thing that makes it all you wonder what the fuck happened How do they know that specific number? Well it would point towards somebody at least being in the house beforehand because there was a pay stub in the house That said a hundred and eighteen thousand dollars. Yeah, so it could have been somebody who's there all night. So yes rolling around Yeah So that doesn't necessarily mean that somebody is there for an inside yet that somebody knew the rambies beforehand It could have been somebody who wandered into the house during the Christmas party and saw the pay stub. It could have been somebody who was rummaging around the house while everyone is asleep

and saw the pay stub. Caterer! Could be the caterer, could be fucking anybody. Never blame the caterer! Oh, how else they get all that pineapple and boulder around Christmas? No, the caterer's how you get your fucking good drugs! Life from your grave. Well, let's start with Glen Meyer. Caterers how you get your fucking good drugs

Let's start with Glen Meyer Glen Meyers ex-wife Charlotte Hay said quote. I believe my husband killed John Benet. I knew he was capable of it cool You guys got on well Glen Meyer lived in the basement of John Benet's now deceased elderly babysitters Joe and Betty Barnhill and apparently had a shrine To the slain child with pictures and newspaper clippings. That's too Shrine to Judy Garland, she didn't fucking put cigarettes in her throat You don't know what happened you don't know what happened between your mother and Judy Garland. Judy Garland is one thing. A child murder victim is another entirely. Yeah, there's many shrines to Judy Garland all over America. Yeah. Yeah. And John Badaid. Unfortunately.

Unfortunately, yes. She's a cultural icon at this point. No. You know why? Because again, if she had put out an album She's not Selena. You know I mean she is a she's beloved. I'm not saying What's cuz she's a how do you put this it's cuz she's a beautiful little girl Are you gonna call her a no-talent hack? I'm just saying how'd she get this gig? Oh, so we're gonna give Mark Twain prices to everyone This guy Glen Meyer allegedly also had a photograph of a Navy Avenger aircraft in his basement with SBTC lettering on it the same you know the end of the ransom note said

SBTC okay the media site radar online claims that his handwriting matched the ransom note said SBTC. The media site Radar Online claims that his handwriting matched the ransom note, but the handwriting analysis on this case thus far has been completely invalid with methods completely made up for this case alone. So who knows if this claim is conducive with factual handwriting analysis. According to a news story, private investigators through the online group John Benet investigations found a must have fun parties founder Roscoe J Clark and Co-investigator Derek Bromridge traveled to Colorado and obtained a DNA sample from a discarded cigarette after pursuing and stalking Glenn Meyer Clark told Radar Online this could be the breakthrough everyone has been waiting for during the past 24 years

And it's based on hard evidence and forensic science. I'm 100% positive we have the right suspect, and we can't rule this person out. These amateur investigators think that possibly two men were involved with the murder of John Bonet. However, nothing yet has come from the cigarette. Yeah, where's that information? Not there. It's been like six years.

It's not out. These guys are like Bigfoot hunters. Oh, no, this is what we're saying. This is becoming a... It's a cottage industry. It's a pastime. It's people are... This is why, like, even as we put out this episode, we're going to get many people yelling

about the things that we've done wrong or said wrong, which I understand because they are living their whole lives researching this, which is the truth. But it's also, you know, like there's only so much you can look into. You know, we hired our team, we put our whole team of researchers into it, and we're looking at this information. This is as much as we could find.

Yeah, I mean, but that's the thing, you can't cover every single tiny little theory because as you said, like, everybody who was connected to the Ramses in any way was considered a suspect at some point. And that's the thing, not necessarily considered a suspect by the polder, boulder police or by the FBI, more like these fucking internet sleuths. Yeah.

Also, when you relook at this Rams ransom note, I'm looking at it right now and I'm what I find interesting about it is that which they, which they also talk about all time is its length. Like that it's extremely long. long 300 and some odd words long and when they dotted the eyes they did the little circle instead of that yes which very specific but all of that is done on purpose I believe the A's in this are specifically changed in order for them to look different if you can look it looks a little strange if you looked at at the, like, it's very,

but my, the thing that points out to me is number one is that it's written very cleanly and legibly online, like within the lines. They thought about what they were gonna write. This is a planned thought, they thought about this. They had about 20 minutes alone in the house to do this. So whatever it is that they had, they knew what they were going to say essentially. Uh, and, uh, they

did talk about, like someone that knew something along the lines of police investigation or they acted like it. I just weird for Patsy Ramsey to write something like this. I don't know if Patsy Ramsey is going to write victory at the end of your ransom. Yeah. After murdering the it's up to you now, John. Was this something about foreign powers or something like that? Oh, yeah, like yeah They like thought it was like a weird like well, it's because there is some there's not truth in it But it was John John Ramsey worked for a company That was a software company that worked for the government that had a bunch of government contracts and there was some story Lockheed Martin Yeah, was it Lockheed Martin? Yeah, I know they're in they're in Boulder. I know that some story. Was it Lockheed Martin? Yeah. No.

Was it Lockheed Martin? Yeah, I think it was Lockheed Martin. I know they're in Boulder. I know that one. Yeah, it's Lockheed Martin. Yeah. From what I remember. John Bennett Ramsey.

Oh yeah, he was the executive officer of Access Graphics. It was a computer services company. Okay. And he worked with them. So Access Graphics had a, it's interesting. It was just a, there's a lot of ties to maybe they were doing work for a computer program that some people were trying to say was tied into all these nine 11 conspiracies and that he was a part of that. That there was like, so there that side with that's what feeds that all of those conspiracy theory rumors. Like John Benet Ramsey is tied into it. Like people tie it to MK Ultra. People tie it to, yeah, 9-11 was an inside job.

Like this is one of those stories that people can plug whatever they want into it because it is so sloppy and there's so much shit going on. And yeah, I mean, and John Benet and John Ramsey was a very connected individual. He was involved in a lot of shit. So yeah, there are a ton of, you can make so many fucking connections to this case that you kind of

lose what's right in front of you. Yeah, who killed the Lindbergh baby? It's very similar. God, what was his name? Yeah, we got to do that. Yeah, I want to do because Charles Lindbergh is a fascinating character. Charles Lindbergh's a massive piece of shit. Yeah, we should cover him. He's a fucking Nazi. Yeah, yeah, but I mean, you know, fascinating. No, he's fascinating. But yeah, he is a Nazi. That's what I'm saying. He a fucking Nazi. Yeah. Yeah, but I mean No, he's fascinating. But yeah, he is a not that's what I'm saying. He's a Nazi Yeah, he was like this American hero that was also a Nazi. Yeah, he's very interesting But yeah, I think that the dingo did it Let's move on to the next suspect a guy named Gary Olivia this guy is to the next suspect, a guy named Gary Olivia. This guy is disturbing.

Michael Vale, who knew Olivia in high school and had many, many interactions with Aleva throughout the years, remarked that Gary Aleva was named Scary Gary in high school. And so Michael Vale took pity on Aleva and allowed him to quote-unquote orbit around Vail's friend group in high school It was like the you know, the artsy kids the poet kids Yeah, the understanding kids. Yes the kids that like will bring a weirdo in like yeah scary Gary. Well, we'll keep him around He's scary. He's very scary. But hey, somebody's gonna hang out with Gary Yeah, Aleva continued writing to Vail following high school and his letters became more dark and depraved by 1989. He started frequently writing about blood, murder, cannibalism, and child rape. Within two years, Aleeva was arrested for raping a seven-year-old girl and attempting to strangle his mother with a telephone cord.

Very good suspect. Yes. Very good. So far. This has got legs. Yeah. That's what I'm talking about. In the years that followed, Aleva continued mailing Vale sadistic tape recordings and locks of children's hair

with newspaper clippings. In a letter to Michael Vale, Gary Aleva wrote, quote, I never loved anyone like I did JonBenet. And yet I let her slip and her head bashed in half and I watched her die. It was an accident. Please believe me, she was not like other kids. Yeah, in another letter he wrote, Chambonet, ooh mama cedar, completely changed me and removed all evil from me.

Just one look at her beautiful face, her glowing beautiful skin, and her divine god body. I realized I was wrong to kill other kids. Yet by accident she died, and it was my fault. It's like a fucking true detective character. Yeah, Henry you're hired this guy did it. Well, Vale claims that Oliva called him on the night of December 26 1996 saying that he had hurt a little girl and that he was in the Boulder Colorado area the next morning Vail found out about John Bonaise death in the newspaper and Immediately called the Boulder Police Department to give them the tip never heard back from the investigators Just yeah

But and also Gary Leva attended a candlelight vigil shortly after the murder. And that's something that you see murders do a lot. All the time! Yeah, they go to funerals, they go to vigils, they go anywhere where people are feeling sad about the case and they soak it up. This is the guy! See, they found Oliva, this is interesting, from Rolling Stone, like approximately when they found him, his phone, because he was arrested in 2016 on child porn charges. So he was giving, he was selling child porn.

And he had a, this is what they found, quote, approximately 335 photos that had something to do with John Benet Ramsey. Some were regular photographs of her found online. One of these photographs, 19, were images from her autopsy, likely from the photographs that had been leaked to the press in years past. There were also many photographs of what appeared to be shrines to John Benet Ramsey. It is unknown that these were the shrines are located or if they were created by Oliva or not. I observed in the contact section of Oliva's phone that there were many References to John Benet Ramsey in the video section of the phone. I found several videos that were tributes to John Benet Ramsey as well. I

Just got a weird feeling That this guy might not be cool no Why is he not a suspect? It seems like an easier thing to cover. He got, he was considered a suspect in the year 2000. Police found a photo of JonBenet. Correlation's not causation. Yeah.

A poem he'd written titled, Ode to JonBenet and a Stun Gun. And ultimately his DNA did not match what was found at the crime scene. Yeah. His DNA, that was, it, uh, he was just, I'm with that other guy. I wish I was there. Man, oh man, can't somebody just describe to me what he was like? Here's some other fun facts about Gary Oliva. He was apparently arrested for illegally entering the University of Colorado Boulder's Fine Arts building after hours.

Oliva had a penchant for stealing art supplies and had a sexual attraction to a skeleton the department had on display. It sounds like he continuously broke into the building to sleep in art rooms, but mainly because he wanted to be close to the skeleton. Oh, is that what Harrison Ford's doing? Got you Calista! So he loves art supplies, she was killed with a fucking paint was stating, I should have killed you a long time ago. I made other threats to Keller.

He also stated that when the sheriff arrives, they will find you dead. That was five years later. That was like, yeah, he spent 17 months in jail for the attempted murder and then he moved to Colorado. So he was in Colorado at the time. Yeah, and he used to hang out at the University of Colorado a lot and he'd just hang out on the campus. He'd drop in on classes and just sit in the time. Yeah, and he used to hang out at the University of Colorado a lot, and he'd just hang out on the campus. He'd drop in on classes.

He'd just sit in the back. I used to do that, but I started falling asleep and they found me out. Yeah, and you'd be like, why do you keep breaking into school just to be bored? Gary Olivo was also reportedly using an address 10 blocks from the Ramsey home for a long time while he was just being a drifter.

He had a buddy with him. She scratched the buddy. He did it. Yep. That's and then one day Jambonet's body was found. Val claims that Aliva called him sobbing and said, I just heard a little girl. But I think he meant by beating her really hard and part in Mario Kart, not giving her a chance and then fearing that Aliva did something with the crime.

They called the Boulder Police Department. They never returned Vail. Yeah, oh yeah. Yeah, and Gary Oliva, the Nazi used in the garrote to strangle John Bonet, were strikingly similar to those when Oliva choked his mother with a telephone cord. He said when 48 hours talked to him, he says, I believe that she came to me after she was killed and revealed herself to me. I would like to see a memorial set up for her. I haven't seen that anywhere. Except in my home! Oh, yay!

He once sent Vale a drawing titled John Benet Christ, where it's a drawing of a smiling John Benet crucified on the cross. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and then he drew a nice, lovely picture of her, and he said, there is infinite space in your garden here. All they need do is enter. You, JonBenet, it will be worth it to take the blame for. Is he in prison currently? Yeah, right?

I think he was released. No, he actually just got released in January. Yeah, he's got a podcast. He actually was just about to be, I believe he's gonna be on Rogan. Yeah. Bitching, he's gonna be great. Yeah, no, he's out. He's supposed to be supposed to be set to release for prison in 2025 However in January 2024, he was released early. Don't worry. So he's out there

So go ahead and say hi everybody. Hey Mr. Oliva, how you doing buddy? Well, I mean, I don't mean to, you know, throw, you know, cast a spurs and throw shade on anybody, but he looks like Lemmy. No! Oh, man. Hey, he doesn't be able to. He does kind of. He looks like Lemmy, Mr. Danny Trejo.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he has these four scars going down the cheek of his face. Yeah, I actually don't know if he... Again, what's like fucked up is that I don't know if it was him either. Arrest him and put him on trial. I think that there's no evidence. We just listed a shit ton of evidence. All of that is circumstantial, my friends.

All circumstantial. A lot of people confess to crimes they didn't commit. A lot of them want this There is a we talked a lot of times about the games serial killers play once they're in jail Because they need to figure out ways to get their fix for all their various Antisocial personality disorders, so they you know like John Wayne game see John Wayne gaseyman Manipulated people from inside of jail Richard Ramirez Manipulated people from inside of jail. Richard Ramirez manipulated people from inside of jail. You know, Charles Manson famously.

He had a whole bunch of people. And once you're in jail, like, this guy, like, Gary Oliva ain't getting any more popular. And maybe after this, he's gonna get that last podcast bump! But, like, you know, it's like, it's... It's, uh... it's not good. Well, the most recent update that we have is just from,

I think a month ago. Yeah. Something like that. Yeah, the 60 Minutes Australia did a full segment with John Ramsay, cause Patsy Ramsay died in like, what, like six years ago, 10 years ago, maybe? Yeah, so. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But yeah, she's been dead for a while, but yeah, John Ramsay is still, you know, coming forth and saying it's like people still think we did it. And they've been they have been ruled out since like week two. Okay, there was I understand why, right? Because with police and they with with all investigations, they stick to the family, they always because 80 to 95% of the time murders happen by somebody that you know.

They happen by somebody who knows you something, like very rarely. Like that's why it's like all of the serial murder that we've ever covered still falls in that like 15% markage of homicides that don't evolve. Like because that's how rare it is that you are killed by a stranger. But they have no motive. Well, they do, well, rape and sex and potentially blackmail. So this is something different.

So when you look at this, so they never gave any serious thought to there being an intruder. And they also essentially destroyed all the evidence in the process of proving that there was an intruder While they were trying to make trying to figure out of the parents did and then they had to backtrack like once they realized that They destroyed all the evidence they had to back to they had to fit the which cops do this shit all the time They don't they try to fit a suspect into the evidence of course instead of following the evidence of the suspect

They start with a suspect and try to fit him into the evidence. Itops do it fucking all the time. Yeah because they didn't like the Ramses. You met the Ramses and they were super fucking weird and then Burke was also weird to you, you didn't like Burke. It's also easy. Yeah I mean that's the other thing. It's also kind of statistically. Statistically yes. Who does it? And the cop wanted to hire the Santa Claus but he was already booked and so he's like hey I wanted the Santa Claus. Fuck you guys. I haven't worked in a year since everybody said I murdered John Bonet, Ramsey.

I'm forced to be an Easter bunny. Well, the big thing that this 60 Minutes thing talked about was that nine months after John Bonet was killed, on September 14th, 1997, a similar crime occurred. Another little girl named Amy was sexually assaulted by an intruder, but the mother was able to intervene and the perpetrator escaped. Amy and JonBenet knew each other because they were in the same dance class. But Boulder Police Department refused to look into any links between the cases because of

course they're still on the fucking parents. Oh yes, and then the ultimate, the ultimate one, which is the photographs of the open window with the scuff marks on the wall, someone coming maybe in or out the suitcase with broken glass in it. The photographic evidence could have shown how the intruder left the Ramsey house. There was also fibers of clothing Jumany wearing

on the night of the murder were in the suitcase. So it was like, someone tried to put her in the suitcase, but they don't, so like, that's why it was left that way, was because no one was supposed to find her. You know, like, but they fucked it up. Something happened, that's why I think truly why there was multiple people, because I think that there was a lookout,

and I think that there was somebody who was saying something is happening. I don't think that the murder and the note happens in a sequential order. I think they're happening at the same time. I think somebody's upstairs writing the note. I think there's two people downstairs that are supposed to be handling a child. I think the person from upstairs come downstairs, sees two people that have now fucked something up so royally because one of them was just there for the money and the other one literally

is a child molester and they're watching two guys that have just went ham on a child when we were not supposed to. This was not the plan, bros. How many times do we see that in movies, which I agree with the idea of like, this is not supposed to be the plan, bros. And then it's happening and now it's all fucked. Could be. It's this Aleva guy.

There's no way it's all fucked could be it's this There's no way it's me man, there's no way to because I would have stayed Well, thank you very much everyone for listening to our John, but a Ramsey update You know and I think that it could have been less pleasant. Yeah, it could have been I think that we did a good job I'm happy that you're happy. I feel that we've course corrected. And our taste now is so... We're so classy now. We're not like how we were. We're so mature.

With our analysis and our material. Sure. I'm wearing a Care Bear shirt just to feel like I'm an under child. Hey, as long as you don't rape and murder your inner child, everything's gonna be fine. Is that a good way to end? It's I'm not gonna do any longer, so I guess it is. Alright, so we'll go down to Patreon.com and check. Last spot that's on the left to go and see us.

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