LATE BLOOMERS - 5: THE ANTI SOCIAL CONTRACT: 20 New Rules For An ADHD & Autistic World

Episode Date: August 26, 2026

This week on LATE BLOOMERS, Rich and Rox are throwing out the social rulebook and writing their own. Twenty new rules for a world built for ADHD and autistic brains instead of against them — becaus...e eye contact shouldn't be mandatory, small talk shouldn't be the default, and nobody should have to lie about liking a haircut.From compulsory name badges (because nobody with ADHD can remember a name five seconds after hearing it) to abolishing dress codes, banning greetings cards, and introducing a visible social battery indicator so you never again have to mask through a conversation you don't have the capacity for. This episode covers the unspoken rules that make everyday socialising exhausting for neurodivergent people, and what a world built around executive dysfunction, sensory overwhelm, and direct communication could actually look like. Rich and Rox debate arrival windows instead of start times, why "how are you" should be legally binding, why last-minute plans should just be called plans, and why friendship should be measured by depth, not by how often you text back.If you're ADHD, autistic, AuDHD, or just someone who's ever felt like the current social contract wasn't written with your brain in mind, this is the episode where two neurodivergent adults finally say the quiet part out loud.20% off Loop Earplugs: https://www.loopearplugs.com/adhdlove

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Imagine a world where everybody has to wear a compulsory name badge, and if you're at a party and you want to leave, you can just walk out without saying by and it isn't considered rude. Today, we, two neurodivergent people, are rewriting the social rulebook. Here's 20 things that we would implement if we were in charge. Welcome to late bloomers, where we are getting our lives together. Eventually. Brought to you by our amazing sponsor, Loop Earploid.
Starting point is 00:00:30 So, babe, we're in charge. This is wonderful. Imagine if this was actually real, though. Like, can you imagine? Oh, I absolutely love it. So listen, here's our 20 social rules. In fact, social norms. These are just the norm now.
Starting point is 00:00:47 If you don't do it, you're weird. Yeah, and you're going to laugh at you. Yeah. I'll start. Number one, everybody has to wear a name badge. Why is that? Because I can't remember anybody's names. I can't tell you the anxiety.
Starting point is 00:01:02 You walk in a room, hello, what's your name? Simon, Dave, Will. Immediately gone, cool. I then need to reference them, call them. I don't remember. I'm anxious. I'm stressed. Add a little name badge.
Starting point is 00:01:13 Get it tattooed. Simon. Like, Simon, can you come and help me? Done. What about if it was just more acceptable to just not know the name? It's what you. That's what I would prefer, because I don't want to read the name badge either. I just want to go on and talk to you.
Starting point is 00:01:27 So in your world, names are. abolished and you just you it boy no i think you can have names but it wouldn't be deemed rude if you if you just said oh do you know what it's our world i'm happy to run with it oh yeah um ready and my one my number two your birthday is your responsibility not anyone else is i mean that feels pointed well no like look if you want a big party call you arrange it if you don't if you want a quiet little sit down Cool. If you're on a holiday, you book it. Wait. So you book your own birthday party and you invite people.
Starting point is 00:02:09 So no one else helps you books it. No. I mean, it would save a lot of hassle or getting things wrong or... It saved me a lot of money because I would be going to the cinema. Because I'd never book anything. Yeah. Because I can't organise. I wouldn't save money though, is it?
Starting point is 00:02:26 Actually, I spend more on your birthday than I do my birthday or I would on my birthday because It's like Bubby would like nice things and go to nice places. But you would still spend a lot of money on your own birthday. But I wouldn't because I can't organise anything. So I'd have all these dreams of this elaborate five-star spa, all my mates, everyone. But I'd never, if birthdays were our own responsibility, my birthday is a Maccas on a Thursday night, I think. So are you not up for this? Because we could implement this.
Starting point is 00:02:57 These are the new social. This is what's happening. And we're in charge. Can I get a signature on the bottom of these cards after? Number three, phone calls are to be made illegal unless you need an immediate answer. So if it's an emergency, give me a ring. And if you are like, I'm outside and I need the code right now, give me a ring. Otherwise, don't.
Starting point is 00:03:24 It's illegal. Okay. So if it is legal to make a phone call if it's urgent, does that mean you have to answer the phone? Yeah. Oh, 100%. It's a two-way street. Right. So no more phones on silent, impossible to get hold of.
Starting point is 00:03:41 It's like if you ring me, I'll answer, but it better be urgent otherwise you're going to prison. Doesn't that just sound glorious? Like, I want to live in that world. Yeah. Yeah. Because my phone would always be on because if it rang, I would know to. Someone I love needs me. I'm answering.
Starting point is 00:03:59 But when it's just some prick calling me, it could have been a text. They might not be a prick. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, I just got a weird thing with that. I just, if it could be a text, send a text, and I'll ignore that as well. I love that. Number four, small talk is illegal. Wow, we've both gone for some illegals here.
Starting point is 00:04:20 Yeah, another prison sentence. Small talk. Right, I'm down, because I also hate small talk. talk, but what is, so what is the social norm? You walk in at a party, you're introduced to someone for the first time. What do we do? I can play it out. Oh yeah, nice to meet you. My name's Dwayne. I'm rich. Been really hot recently, isn't it? Oh, sorry, mate. We're not going to get to know each other. You're going to jail. Well, they're just immediately arrested on the spot.
Starting point is 00:04:56 Like minority reports. I mean, like they know. They're taken away then. Small talk. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it.
Starting point is 00:05:04 But what I need to know is what are we replacing it with. So let's say you go to a party and I say, oh, rich, meet Sarah, who I used to go out with. All right. So I'd be like, Rich, I'm rich. Oh, hi, nice to meet you, Sarah. How are you doing? Oh, I've got a UTI actually. I'm really struggling with pain.
Starting point is 00:05:24 I'd be like, actually, I'm having a marriage. as well. I, like, pood myself and followed through yesterday. Do you know what I mean? At least it's real. Okay, so, small talk out for big talk. Big talk. We're talking big in this world. I actually got to say, I'm feeling it.
Starting point is 00:05:40 Okay, number five, this could not be more perfect. It's like you read my cards. I didn't. I know. How are you is legally binding. So what you've just said, how are you? You don't just go, I'm fine, thanks. How are you? I'm really good, thanks. How are you? Yeah, lovely.
Starting point is 00:06:02 Getting food. How are you? You have to answer and it's legally binding. So you must tell the truth. How are you? Do you know what? Really good. I've been working out. I've been doing quite, I've been sleeping well. I'm feeling really good at the moment. Awesome. How are you? Not very good. I'm struggling. Mental health. Somebody's ill. I'm so sorry. Like, allow a route in to a normal, real human conversation. I tell you why this is genius and you won't even know why this is genius because you would love to ask people how are you and they give you a real answer I don't want to I don't want to know so I won't ask them right so I need to go back to the example of Sarah who I've introduced you to in the last
Starting point is 00:06:47 question so that party rich this is Sarah Sarah this is rich and I walk away yeah what are you saying nothing if there's nothing to be said nothing I'll sit down with my little diet coat sapping it in the corner and you just ignore someone you've been because I don't think like
Starting point is 00:07:09 oh I love this song I don't think that's small talk because that's like saying I love this song that could get us onto talking about Marvel or whatever like I get to choose you would bore her to death with your special interest
Starting point is 00:07:22 well then I'd go jail wouldn't I maybe I don't know no not in our world What do you mean? Special interests. Keep going. All right. Number six, eye contact is optional.
Starting point is 00:07:35 Yeah. Like, don't make it weird. Like, in fact, don't look at it. Like, if you look me in the eyes, you're weird. Well, no, some people will like eye contact. I don't. Well, I don't. I do when I'm listening, but I don't when I'm talking.
Starting point is 00:07:53 So if I'm like talking to someone, unless it's you, I'll look away, but if I'm listening to them, I'll probably be looking at their eyes. So how are we going to handle this? Do you almost need like a sticker that's like, look me in the eyes, don't look at me or else you'll be arrested?
Starting point is 00:08:08 Is this illegal or is it just a bit more flexible? No, I think it's optional, because if I look you in the eyes and you don't like eye contact, you can look away. But I mean, eye contact is optional in this world. Is it more like, because people think it's rude if you don't look at them?
Starting point is 00:08:23 It's not really optional in society. standards because it's literally in interviews it, maintain good eye contact. Yeah, okay. It's looked upon as good or bad. Oh. So eye contact is just neutral. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:08:36 It's whatever. It's like whatever. I'm actually kind of obsessed. Okay. Okay, number seven. You can't pause this long on a podcast. I have said this to you before. I know you do it for dramatic effect.
Starting point is 00:08:52 I don't. I don't. I don't. I do. be like as my, as my internet gone down. I'm reading. I'm reading. Long one, is it?
Starting point is 00:09:02 So, yeah. Talking about your special interest, nobody can say it's boring. People have to listen. I don't know how I feel about that. This might be the first one that I'm like, oh, I don't like it.
Starting point is 00:09:19 I tell you for why. I don't like. talking at people about my special interest. I like finding people that share the same one. So just forcing them to have to listen to it. Oh, no. Okay. They're not excited about what I'm saying. We are deciding the new world order in this discussion.
Starting point is 00:09:45 So I'm up for changing it. I do think you're right. I would love nothing more than to someone to sit down and talk to me about psychoanalysis. and different types of therapy and what they're going through, and Nancy McWilliams and Jonathan Shedler. And like, maybe it's at a party, a segregation via special interest,
Starting point is 00:10:07 including a small talk, like. No, because that's illegal. They can do that in prison. Prison would just become people. How's the weather really good? How are you being really good? I love it. So are you happy with the world and parties and social events,
Starting point is 00:10:24 segregated by a special interest. So I'd be like therapy people and they'd all come. You'd find the Marvel people. You'd never see me again. It can be cordoned off. Marvel. There's a Marvel section. If there's someone in there, I'm like, yes.
Starting point is 00:10:35 Isn't that Comic-Con? Well, yeah, maybe. Oh, it's your turn. Right. Number eight, Neurodivergent goodbye is standard. So sometimes referred to as an Irish goodbye. I actually do do this. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:10:52 I just leave. Yeah. I don't want to, like, when we were at my brothers the last time, I was like, can we go now? And you were like, yeah, we've been it. And it's, we've done enough. And then it was 50 minutes waiting for you to say goodbye to everyone, like one on one, give them a cuddle, and then sometimes conversations started. Just leave, isn't it?
Starting point is 00:11:17 I actually think I really like this, because there is this expectation to say, I love you to see you say bye like just leave, just what, that's the Irish goodbye, in fact, it would just be called a goodbye. They've said goodbye and that just means you've left without saying goodbye. And anyone that comes around going,
Starting point is 00:11:37 hi, just letting you know I'm leaving now, he's a bit weird. Well, if someone said goodbye and then they started talking to me, I'll be like, why are you talking to me? Is it illegal? I don't know if it carries a prison sentence. I think it can be called out though.
Starting point is 00:11:51 Like, look, brother, you said goodbye two minutes ago, Why are you talking to me now? Why are you still here? Are you a liar? Yeah. So goodbye is a one-time event when you walk out. I'm down. It's feeling so good.
Starting point is 00:12:05 Right. Number nine. Number time? It's about time. Time in the number nine. Arrival windows. Okay. I'm not sure I like this one.
Starting point is 00:12:20 So. Continue. Oh, I'll allow it. Time is confusing. For some. For some. Yes, it is. But you'll be like starts at eight, be there for eight,
Starting point is 00:12:32 and I'll be like, starts at eight, I'll be there for eight, running late, get there for eight 45 sweating. And you turn up at eight 45 sweating, panicking, anxious. And then I go, oh, don't worry, it was a loose, it's not starting until nine. Why don't you tell me then, right? So on the invite, when you ask me to come, whether it's text, wedding invite,
Starting point is 00:12:52 an arrival window. So arrive anywhere between eight or nine, and you are not, stop shaking your head. It won't work. Start, arrive anywhere between eight or nine. You are not late. At nine o'clock is when you become late. Therefore, I've got an hour to turn up, to chill, to vibe.
Starting point is 00:13:12 Time is flexible. Why are you shaking your head to me? It won't work. I tell you, because you, nine o'clock would just be the new eight o'clock. So you would get ready to try and get there for nine o'clock and end up. So there's something in it, but what would be better is if you said 8 o'clock, and then everybody is allowed to be an hour late, but they don't know they're allowed to be an hour late.
Starting point is 00:13:38 So this is going to take like a mind wiping device or something. Yeah, we can invent that. Yeah. So it would only work if you don't know you're allowed to be an hour late. Yeah, but this isn't just ADHD time blindness. This is also like autism taking it literally. Like it starts at 8 and it's got to be there for 8. Well, you're saying that like it's a bad thing.
Starting point is 00:13:59 No, it's a really good thing. But if there is a soft start, well, if it doesn't really start till half 9 and then you're just there early, like, oh my God, can't small talk. Well, that would be me. I'd be there at 8. Yeah. So like you would also benefit from being told the arrival window.
Starting point is 00:14:15 But I would also not like there being a loosey-goosey arrival window. Like if I'm doing a part- If it was a rival window for people who want to socialise 8 till 9, events start and 9. Then the 9 o'clock would be your new 8 o'clock and you would be late. No one needs discussing. Right, number 10, everyone has a wish list for gifts. So no one has to guess. Oh.
Starting point is 00:14:42 You just have like whatever shopping you'd like for you. It would be garage and there's some new golf shop. Like what influencers have like their Amazon wish list. Yeah. So like weird old dudes combined. them presents. It's that, but for friends and family, a wish list. Like the wedding gift lists, I actually, do you know what? We never had one of them. No, no. If I wanted it, I would. But, but it would really help me if I'm buying you gifts for your birthday,
Starting point is 00:15:10 because I'm like, I don't know, I don't want to buy a clothes. I don't know, like, I don't know. So basically, it's like an app where you have like a shopping cart of a wish list, all different shops that you want in the right size. And then when it comes, Comes to birthday, you go on, you buy it all up, done. I love that so much. You should build that at. Wish list. Yep.
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Starting point is 00:16:31 What's wrong with that? I just, I've only ever heard it referred to as the bio. What does a bio stand for? Probably biography. What else is it going to stand for? But nobody says it. It's on my point. I'm not saying it's incorrect.
Starting point is 00:16:44 Number 11. No tech spectations. Well, listen. Can I please let me plead my case before you well listen me? Sure. A text becomes like an old school way of communicating, like a letter or a carrier pigeon. There is no expectation of immediate reply.
Starting point is 00:17:16 You send it like you send your pigeon. How do the pigeons know where? to go. I don't know. Like, legit. Oh, is that? No, seriously. How, how can you tell a pigeon go over to the... Have I made that up? Is that a Game of Thrones thing? And I've like... No, I... Oh my God, I don't know. I'm assuming it's real. Right, can I, can I, can I give my... I, I don't disagree. I'm fine with it. But just to remind you, have made telephone calls illegal. So, So we're coming up to not being contactable in any way. Oh, that sounds absolutely.
Starting point is 00:18:03 Dreamy, doesn't it? No, you're right. So telephone calls are illegal. I feel like I might have to slightly loosen the reins on zero expectations of texting. No, I've got it. I've got it as well. No, I've actually got it. All right, go on then.
Starting point is 00:18:21 Right. Let's see if we're the same. So basically there's a new system in messaging and meta would do it. So we'd get it on WhatsApp. We'd got it on I message. And basically it's a very quick label. You write your text and you just label it a quick button and it comes in a colour. So you can choose red, you can choose amber or you can choose green.
Starting point is 00:18:43 If you read someone, if you send it in red text, like I need a reply as soon as you see this. If you amber, it's like, buddy, I'd love to hear from. you this week. If you green text, mate, six months, I'm all good. I'm just texting. So like a color coded text situation. So I know, do you need me now or can I come back in a few weeks? Okay. Seems colorful. Can I just give my idea as well? Which is there's no shame for people chasing up. There's also no shame to go, oh, sorry, I just didn't. That there's no guilt or Like that I feel like is the problem here is how you feel when you haven't got back to someone you think friendships over like it just becomes the norm.
Starting point is 00:19:31 Can we have both? Can we remove shame from texting and also go colour coded? Done. Fine. Number 12. You are allowed to say you don't like things. So like an example would be a haircut or... No, because I know what...
Starting point is 00:19:52 know why you're saying this because you don't like being compelled to lie out of politeness because of autism. Yes. But remember when I had a struggle a couple of years ago with a haircut. Yeah. And I was like panicking. And it wasn't, it wasn't very good. Like, let's be honest.
Starting point is 00:20:13 But you didn't lie. You said you hate it. No, I was like, I really don't like it. I really don't like it. I really don't like it. I look okay. Like, do I still look pretty? And I was crying.
Starting point is 00:20:19 And you went, you do. You look beautiful, Bubby. if you're gone, now you look like shit. Like I would have, like it would have really hurt. I don't know. But I don't think I said it's the best haircut you've ever had. No, you didn't. Like I didn't.
Starting point is 00:20:37 You said you still look beautiful, but I didn't. Okay. All right, next. No, but I don't want to take it away from you. I don't want to make you lying in our new world order. I don't. So I'm just going to carry on doing what I do. I love for that you do it anyway.
Starting point is 00:20:50 Not even in this imaginary world. You actually do do half the shit anyway. Okay. Number 13. Lucky for some. Or is it unlucky for some? The phrase, last minute plans, is abolished. And those are just called plans.
Starting point is 00:21:13 And we come up with a new phrase, which is like, what's the opposite of last minute, last first minute hour? First hour plans, which are like weeks and months in advance. And that's the weird one. So plans are today or tomorrow. Coffee later? Sure. Golf later? Sure. Tomorrow, enough where we know how we're feeling. Are we feeling good? Any other stuff? Any overwhelm. To making a plan is bought into the real world. Whereas the weird one is the first hour, the people that do first hour plans. Firsthour.com. People booking ridiculously far in advance. I think I'm a little bit confused about what this means
Starting point is 00:21:59 because when you started talking, I was like, well, is that, how is that going to be on my nervous system? If anyone can just do what they want, a plan's a plan. But I don't think you're saying the plans aren't allowed. So what I think I've done that, I think I've confused it by calling it first hour. So let me roll that back. That was just a little ADHD tangent there.
Starting point is 00:22:19 We call it last minute plans. Yeah. But last minute plans just become plans. And then anything that isn't a last minute plan, like a today or tomorrow, becomes like a far in advance plan. And that's the weird one. Like, are we making a far and advanced plan here? I don't know. But normal people are like, I'm getting married tomorrow.
Starting point is 00:22:41 Do you want to come? Or cinema tonight, are you up for it? I'm getting married tomorrow. Do you want to come? That's your example. Maybe. be that. I don't know whether you've nailed that example.
Starting point is 00:22:54 I think a lot of people will agree with me. Don't that. Don't. Doesn't that need to be a far and advanced plan? A wedding? Yeah, probably that one. But like cinema, Nando's catch up coffee. Like, let's bring planning back to the day is happening.
Starting point is 00:23:10 So we can know if we feel up to it or not. Okay. 14. No hints. So no reading between the lines. Just say it. If you want it, just tell me. Yeah, like not, oh, this kitchen's looking a little bit, you know, not its best.
Starting point is 00:23:28 Rocks, stack the dishwasher. So I try to do this with your wear again shelf, but then I never can cast you back to the conversation that we had merely yesterday. I saw it. We'd spent ages sorting out the whole wardrobe. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it had piled up to mess. And I said, babe, your wear again shelf's a bit messy.
Starting point is 00:23:47 Do you want me to help you do it? and then we had a whole thing. So I don't, I like, like the idea of it, but I'm not sure it'll always work. No, because you didn't say it in that tone, did you? I think, I did. I don't think, you know, I don't think you did.
Starting point is 00:24:02 Oh, yeah we go. You were like. Go on, what did I? How did I say it? I'll tell you exactly how you said it. Tell me, because I remember verbatim. So do I. So you went where again Shelf's got a bit big, bubby, hasn't it?
Starting point is 00:24:17 Do you want me to help you with that later? That's me trying to not be shameful. Yeah, but your tone, it was like dripping. Okay, I hear that. In judgment. Had you gone, let me know if you want me to help you that later, would have probably gone better for you. Fine, go on.
Starting point is 00:24:35 Right. Oh, this is big. 17. This, you're on 15. Oh. But is 17 big? Just so we know, yeah. 15.
Starting point is 00:24:47 Wait for 17, guys. Abolished dress codes. They're just. isn't dress codes anywhere. Going to a posh restaurant, wear your little comfy two-piece. I mean, to be fair, we make this happen anyway because we just don't go anywhere. Yeah. Going to a wedding, wear joggers, black tie or sweatpants.
Starting point is 00:25:12 Like... Yeah, I've got a bone to pick with your best mate. Sophie. Yes. If Sophie is listening... She won't be through a 40th birthday party. And we were obviously invited. And the dress code was black tie.
Starting point is 00:25:26 We actually had to go to M&F to get you a penguin suit. And me. A dress. I wore like a dress. And I had to buy a pair of high heel shoes. I was like, Bambi on ice. Like abolish it. Like black tie or black track suit.
Starting point is 00:25:47 I'm never doing that again, by the way. Someone says this is great time. be like, do I have to wear this? Yes, I'm not coming then. Funerals? Are you going to show up in joggers to somebody? You probably would to be for, haven't you? Can I wear my dinner suit to a funeral? Because otherwise I'll need to buy a black suit the next time. You wear a dinner suit too? I don't think I can, can I? If there's a wake and you'll be dining. Doesn't feel like, anyway, gone.
Starting point is 00:26:13 Number 17. No, it's my, it's me number 16. That's why we usually keep it to 10. I can't count PERS 16 Social batteries Above timers It says heads I don't really understand
Starting point is 00:26:32 Why that says heads Above heads Stroke timers Social battery above your head slash have a timer So it would be some sort of Not a timer Like a
Starting point is 00:26:45 Like a thing Low high Yeah You would have a power bar that's it. Like in a video game. Oh, and it's attached to like your heart rate and temperature.
Starting point is 00:26:56 It can somehow, there's some kind of tech that just works. And it sort of puts up in the head, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. So, oh my God, oh my God, babe. And I just, right, so picture the scene. I'm sitting here. Hard red lining on low social battery.
Starting point is 00:27:14 So if someone comes up to me and starts to talk to me, I can just be like, go away. And like, they'll see it. No, you don't even speak. You just go. Look at them. Look at them and you point and they'll be like, sorry. Oh my God.
Starting point is 00:27:27 This needs to be made. This needs to be invented. Yeah, I agree. I would love it. Here's a problem. Tell me what the problem is. Your social battery is green. You slept well.
Starting point is 00:27:39 You don't spoken to anyone for a few days. You've just walked out of the house green. And then someone you don't like comes up to talk to. And it immediately goes. And they see it go red. We can have a... Can you imagine? They were like, oh, okay.
Starting point is 00:27:56 At least you wouldn't have to tell him you don't like them. No, you've read, you've readline me there, mate. Right. I'm waiting for this number 17. We got told a few ago that this was a big one. So is it? Well, I've built it up now. I would just love it.
Starting point is 00:28:11 Ban all cards. Debit cards? No. Birthday cards. Birthday cards. Thank you, cards. Thinking of you cards. I do this one anyway.
Starting point is 00:28:24 Mother's, fathers. All cards are banned because I can't, going out to the shop to buy a card, to write it, to remember the address to post it. That is like one of the hardest things I'd be doing that week. They're happening all the time. People have got birthdays all the time. They're struggling all the time.
Starting point is 00:28:43 Mother's days all the time. Father's days all the time. Kids doing things all the time. Well done. Because banned. All cards. If you're face to face with me, well done, or a sympathy cuddle or a new home celebration. Yeah, cards are.
Starting point is 00:29:00 I've been doing this for 10 years. All of my friends and family, no, I don't say in cards. Mine isn't because I would forget. That is one of the reasons. It's also a complete waste of money. Or maybe it's not ban all cards. Maybe it's like, you know how with an email you can subscribe and unsubscribe. You unsubscribe from all cards.
Starting point is 00:29:17 So I don't want to receive cards from anyone about anything. and I won't be sending them to you. Oh no, because they had subscribed. Fan all cards. Yeah, I agree. Number 18, don't open presents in front of people. I'm a big fan of this one. So you don't have to mask and pretend if you don't like it.
Starting point is 00:29:36 Yeah. You can privately open it. Even if you do like it, I don't react the right way. I'm not like, oh my God, this is everything that I've ever dreamed of. I'm like, oh, wow, nice. Yeah, every time I've bought you a present that I've thought, I thought I smash in the early days. I don't mess about with that now.
Starting point is 00:29:53 And I thought you would love it and you'd just be flat face. I had no idea. I did love it though. No, I know, but I didn't know about the tism then. So I was just like, bloody, he's a bit rude. Yeah, exactly. So don't have to do it in front of people. Done.
Starting point is 00:30:07 Like I bought you the best present I think you've ever got ever last year. My coat. Oh, my golf buggy. Your electric golf buggy. You've always wanted it. You wouldn't buy it for yourself. But I've got a different relationship to money than you. You can't do that anymore.
Starting point is 00:30:25 No, because you're taking care of your own birthday. Yeah. Shall I take the golf buggy back then? No, because it wasn't enforced then, was it? Number 19. Friendships are measured on depth of relationship, not frequency of contact. So people think best friends,
Starting point is 00:30:49 you're your best friend, you're chatting every day, bring in every day. everything. I really, really hate that because I'm my best mates. I might not speak to for six months. And when we see each other, we're like right back to where we were. And actually, it's how much we love each other, know each other, respect each other, take the piss out of each other. My friend Sophie was in Egypt for five years. I think I seen her once. It doesn't matter. Like that love is still there. And just that expectation of like daily comms. Well, I've banned band calls and texting so.
Starting point is 00:31:22 I'm, again, I'm completely with you. Exactly the same. I'd look at us on the same page. Isn't that absolutely lovely? Right, babe. Last one. We've made it to number 20.
Starting point is 00:31:31 The last one, what rule are you imposing in our new neurodivergent world order? So with communication, clear is kind. So my direct communication
Starting point is 00:31:46 will actually be seen as an A1 example of how to communicate. So being a nice person is being direct. And honest. Truth, honest, blunt. And dressing it up. It's bad. Sugar-coated linings.
Starting point is 00:32:06 What do you call it? Polish a turd. No. What do you call it? What's the saying? Not sugar-coated linings. Sugar-coating things or silver linens. Or sugar-coated linings.
Starting point is 00:32:19 You are. are considered like so rude. So people pleasers would immediately just be people displeases. It's a form of manipulation anyway. All this, oh, let me make me sound it nice. Well, make me sound it nice. Well, it's not nice, is it? So why are you trying to make me feel good about what you're saying?
Starting point is 00:32:36 Some people have had traumatic experiences that means they struggle to tell the truth because they think they'll be in trouble. Well, they don't have to worry in this new world order, do they? Tell the truth, be celebrated. even if it's tough news. Exactly. I can't believe that we've basically agreed on... Almost.
Starting point is 00:32:57 What a world that would be. We want to hear your rules. How could we make this world better if you were in charge of writing social norms? What would they be? This has been the late bloomer's podcast. If you liked it, tell us if you hated it. Directly, directly. Tell us why.
Starting point is 00:33:17 Tell us which one you hate. go into detail. I think I'm joking. I think you are. Anyway, see you next week. See you next week. Bye.

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