LATE BLOOMERS - HOT TAKES: 10 things the neurodivergent community won't say out loud

Episode Date: July 8, 2026

This week on LATE BLOOMERS, Rich and Rox are doing something different. Ten neurodivergent hot takes, controversial questions, and genuinely unpopular opinions — and they're trying really hard not ...to get cancelled in the process.Is masking always bad? Is self-diagnosis valid? Is the autism spectrum too big? They go there. All of it. And they don't always agree.Fair warning — some of these will make you uncomfortable. That's kind of the point...20% off Loop Earplugs: https://www.loopearplugs.com/adhdlove

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Starting point is 00:00:33 Is social media harming ADHD awareness? And is ADHD medication harming our kids? Today, on the hottest day of the year, we are taking on neurodivergent hot takes. And we're going to try and not get cancelled in doing so. Welcome to late bloomers, where we are getting our lives together. Eventually. We're brought you by our amazing sponsor loop earplugs.
Starting point is 00:00:56 So these are controversial questions, right? They are. They might even be controversial answers. They might. So maybe a disclaimer. Disclaimer. We are just people with opinions. We're not necessarily right.
Starting point is 00:01:10 Don't listen to us. We're idiots. Yeah. Two idiots on the internet. But also, we do have opinions and that's okay. You might disagree with them. You might agree with them. You might not.
Starting point is 00:01:20 Be kind. Be courteous in the comments, my darlings. Yeah, okay. I'm a little bit nervous about this one. I don't really know. So you've got all of the questions. The 10 hottest takes. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:01:31 So I'll give all answer honestly. Yeah. Give a bit of context and then I suppose you give your opinion as well. Number one. Okay. Has social media helped or harmed ADHD awareness? I mean, I've got to say helped, right? No.
Starting point is 00:01:51 No, I don't know. I think it's helped because I think before social media, there was sort of very little awareness. So suppose what does the question mean? Does it mean, oh, everyone thinks they're ADHD nowadays? Or does it mean if someone's got ADHD, there's more resources out there? I think it could mean both.
Starting point is 00:02:12 Like, how has it helped? Well, I found out from the internet. And we hear gorgeous things from our followers who listen to this pod or read a book or dubby users who, through this community, have, found help in the feeling of not being alone, people that say it's harmed would maybe be saying we're focusing too much on it. It's being overdiagnosed. Are we feeding into paying private clinics or paying for medication? Like I can understand why someone might hold that opinion.
Starting point is 00:02:48 It's just my opinion is different. Of course we're going to be a little bit biased. I also think I remember when I was in the bank, someone that used to work with went through the diagnosis of being diagnosed with ADHD and it and it was long it was drawn out there wasn't much knowledge about it at all what I can say categorically is whether it's helped or harmed the world wasn't prepared for it like with the wait list and stuff like we are not equipped to deal with it the internet spread like wildfire oh my god there's loads of us losing our phone eight times a day. I'm forgetting things, turning up to the wrong place, dealing with RSD.
Starting point is 00:03:31 Like, for me, it will always be an incredible thing because it changed my life finding out that I had ADHD. Yeah, and I think also you said it already, but everyone we speak to is like, and all the comments and DMs that we get, it's like, I felt so alone. So it's that sense of community that you're not, you're not the weirdo, the odd one out. there's actually loads of people that struggle, I think, brings a lovely sense of community. So we're saying help. Help.
Starting point is 00:04:00 Yeah. Number two. Is masking always bad? No. I don't think it is. That could be a controversial answer, right? So masking in the neurodivergent community is really demonised. And I understand why.
Starting point is 00:04:20 people have been pretending to be okay, pretending to be neurotypical, often for years or decades. It's led to burnout, self-hatred, a lack of authentic self-living in the world. So the narrative is, on masks, stop masking, be yourself. Yeah. So, yeah, I disagree with that. I think when you're at home and you're with safe people, my unequivocal, advice would be to unmask and be yourself and be comfortable and let off steam and recharge your batteries and all of that. But there's a place for masking. There is a time and a place and I'm thinking work.
Starting point is 00:05:04 When I was a bank manager, I would not have got where I was in my career if I was completely unmasked all of the time. And I'm talking about board meetings, the way that you conduct yourself with people. Yeah, it's tough. Yeah, it's challenging. But even if, even in its rourist form, if a customer came in and they were complaining and they were complaining like unwarranted and they were idiots, right? Like you have to mask in that moment to make them believe that they're valued and correct and all that sort of stuff rather than if I had said like you're wrong, get out. I mean, I don't even know if that's autistic mask. or just like wearing a professional mask.
Starting point is 00:05:52 Like where do we draw that line? I think it's gorgeous when you said the difference between at home and at work. Like being at work, kind of by definition is you're going to be wearing a mask because you're like acting a job that you've learned and there's like rules. In that sense, it's really good to be able to play by the rules at work
Starting point is 00:06:12 in certain situations. But at home is where you should be your wild, wonderful, weird, wonky. self. I have changed my mind whilst listening to you. I was probably going to say masking was always bads because I was like a high masker. My whole life, like, everything's fine. People pleasing, hide the anxiety maniac while suffering horrendous mental health implications. But I do mask. My entire music job is masking. Yeah. I get dressed up as another character. It's a physical mask. so I can get through performances or jobs. I mask as well
Starting point is 00:06:52 and this might be that some people listening to this will know what I'm talking about when we went and done the late bloomers this episode on stage at Download. We, you decided that we were going to go and meet everyone in the front row. Obviously the right thing to do. I like didn't want to be there.
Starting point is 00:07:09 But I'm also really grateful for everyone there, but I was like tired, I was knackered, I was acting like I was, it was great to meet everyone and everyone's, everyone's amazing, nothing against them. No, for you, you were allowed tired, it was hot, you don't love meeting strangers. Yeah. Okay, so no, masking isn't always bad. I love it, look at us go. Number three, oh, is the autism spectrum too big? So I think that it is. That is such a hot take And I'm so worried about where this is going to go All right, let me explain
Starting point is 00:07:52 So we don't diagnose Aspergis anymore I don't know Like there's some horrible link to someone That wasn't very nice I don't know why that was Think he was a Nazi Right, okay So I understand why we wouldn't call it that
Starting point is 00:08:11 But I think just removing that segment was a mistake. Now, let me explain. I am autistic. I have different needs to neurotypical people. Things affect me differently. So I'm not saying that I don't have needs and I don't have struggles. What I am saying, though, is there are people out there that can't work, can't live independently, can't even speak. So to say that I'm the same as them is simply wrong. Like I run a business with you. I get overstimulated by sounds, textures, all that sort of stuff. But their needs are greater than mine. So I don't like, I feel like a bit of an imposter when it's like the same thing? I think it's absolutely common sense and common kindness to recognise where people's struggles
Starting point is 00:09:13 are much bigger than your own. We don't see enough of it online in people that kind of advocate for autism. There's a skew towards kind of lower support needs, of course, because they can do it. But of course, when someone wants to validate themselves, let's say they haven't had support for a really long time. They really want to push that and make sure that they're validated and sometimes that can end up speaking over or taking space from other people. But I want to like slightly push you. Yeah. Because I fully agree with what you're saying, which is they take away the sort of asperger's. It became ASD, autism spectrum disorder. And you believe some people within that have got different support needs. I don't think anyone's going to.
Starting point is 00:10:05 going to argue with that. But what the question was is, is the spectrum too big? I don't think you're saying that you're not on the spectrum. I think you're just saying that you've got really different needs to someone that falls somewhere else on the spectrum. But I still, potentially an unpopular opinion, I feel like there could be two different spectrums rather than one massive one. And the reason being, let's be real, the face of autism, people's preconceived ideas about autism is people like me, other people that talk about autism,
Starting point is 00:10:46 maybe good at mass pattern recognition, and there's a whole segment that like get left behind. So like, yeah. So look, I know spectrums are supposed to be big, whatever, but I just, I don't know. I, I, my opinion is it's it's too large for the same word. Yeah, I can understand that.
Starting point is 00:11:09 I don't think it's something. I want to listen to your opinion on that because that's where you are currently diagnosed. Love it. There you go. It's funny because with ADHD, if you meet someone with ADHD, there is an inherent similarity.
Starting point is 00:11:27 Now, they might have the hyperactive type or the inattentive type or they might be slightly more anxious and therefore arrived two hours early rather than an hour late. But there is an inherent similarity that you can find with people with ADHD whereas that isn't always the case
Starting point is 00:11:43 with autism. It is a lot bigger. You can have a wild swing and you're a good example of this of where people's reality is. So you have gone from living in a nice house, family support a good career but you've come from living in a dark,
Starting point is 00:12:03 not being able to pay your bills, getting bailiffs, rip your electros that you meet you're out because, and your life was falling apart. But your support needs haven't changed. Across those two realities, it's, and they're very similar across the board, I would say, with ADHD. Obviously, everyone's different. Not all ADHD people are exactly the same,
Starting point is 00:12:25 but there'll be similarities. Okay. four, should you tell your boss your neurodivergent? Oh, God. I don't know. Can I go first? Yeah, you go first. I would like to say yes.
Starting point is 00:12:48 Yeah. We have visited some really awesome companies in the UK that have got teams like neurodivergent leads who are creating quiet rooms. flexible working hours, taking that harsh bright lighting down to like sensory lighting, earphones for people in the office. And they've blown me away. It's like, wow, you are taking care of your neurodivergent employees. It makes it much more community, a better place to work. You don't feel left out or behind. So like when you are working for a company or a boss that gets it, validates it, wants to help.
Starting point is 00:13:32 Amazing. You can like unlock the best version of you at work. Yeah. But then I remember one place we were, and I won't even remember the name, luckily, a guy sort of put his hand up and was like, this is just going to get in the way of work. It's just an excuse to not do their work.
Starting point is 00:13:53 And I remember being like, oh my God. And then someone in the front row that had ADHD, so I'm crying. He ended up storming out. And I was like, this is way more difficult than what the sort of neurodiversity advocacy makes us think, which is everyone's going to be pro and let's all support each other. There's some real douchebags out there.
Starting point is 00:14:16 Yeah, and I think going back to the question, should you tell your boss, I would, the answer should be yes, but like it isn't always. And you'll know whether they're safe to tell or not. depends on the boss, but maybe there's a line manager, a co-worker. Go right to the top. Go to the CEO. That's what I'd do. Yeah. Yeah, so it's a little bit nuanced, but I think it's good not to just like blanket. Yes, because we live in the real world and there's a lot of idiots.
Starting point is 00:14:48 Okay. Number five, can therapy work for neurodivergent people? Well, I can speak for me and the answer would be yes. So there's a lot of takes online that say that standard therapy doesn't work for neurodivergent people because they're too self-aware. They've done a lot of thinking. They've got a lot of self-awareness and actually it's not helping them. So they then decide that therapy doesn't work. Right.
Starting point is 00:15:23 Well, I disagree. Like why? I don't understand why because they've done a thinking. they're all, they're all of a sudden more self-aware. I don't understand why they would be more self-work. Because I wasn't. It's the problem between believing self-awareness is the same thing as getting better. And in fact, actually, people who are overly self-aware,
Starting point is 00:15:53 that is a sign of mental illness, of needing support, that rumination about self and obsessive. searching through trying to figure out if it doesn't help you actually live a better, happier, fuller life, it's not actually a good thing. Yeah. I think sometimes we can
Starting point is 00:16:11 in neurodivergent circles like blow our own trumpets a bit. We're so sensitive or so self-aware. Normal things don't work for us was actually that could be a sign of the problem. And it's probably not accurate either, right? So you might believe that you're self-aware but you probably haven't like really delved into
Starting point is 00:16:29 childhood relationships and dynamics and stuff like that. Yeah, and there's a big difference between delving into it mentally and delving into it emotionally. And, you know, I guess also there's different types of therapies. If you were talking about something like a thought base, like a CBT, then I could kind of understand. But if you're talking about semantic therapies, EMDR, my favourite psychoanalysis, I mean, they, work on the body and on the subconscious, you cannot be aware of what those things are working on by the very nature of what they are. There's something about EMDR and neurodivergence, I think.
Starting point is 00:17:10 There was someone like, that's not a therapy you should be. Like I remember reading a debate online. I'm not intelligent enough or qualified enough to give an opinion. It depends. It depends on the person. I've had people say EMDR completely changed their life and healed traumas from childhood. But were they neurodivergent? I don't know. Yeah. So. My experience. Yeah. Are you just thinking of what happened to me? No, I'm thinking I remember it being, someone suggested it as a therapy type.
Starting point is 00:17:42 And then there was loads of people jumped on comments being like, that would never be recommended for somebody who's neurodivergent, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I just don't know. So we need to be a little bit careful about, I don't know. We do not know. No, we're just like talking about hot takes. but out of interest what happened to me was I was doing EMDR and I basically just like pretended because like people pleased the therapist she was like how do you feel about this thing now
Starting point is 00:18:13 and I gave a number and then she did the EMDR and I sort of tried to go with it. I felt really anxious and weird and I sort of made some stuff up and then she was like how do you feel about it now and I gave a better number because I knew I was meant to because I wanted her to feel like it had worked so I just remember thinking bloody how this isn't
Starting point is 00:18:28 this one isn't for me. Yeah, okay. Okay, very quick word from our gorgeous sponsor. When you have ADHD or other types of neurodivergent, sometimes we can find ourselves being sensitive to sound. That might look like being out for dinner and hearing what they're talking about on another table, rather than the person you're with,
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Starting point is 00:19:39 Yes, I'm ready. Oh, my lord. What? This is going to get, well. Can neurodivergence be weaponised in relationships? Yes. I think that it can. Come on.
Starting point is 00:19:55 What we need to understand everyone is that you are obviously neurodivergent, but you're also still a person. And people can be lazy, people can be manipulative, people can lie. So there is no, just because you're neurodivergent. So let's take ADHD, if there was a messy room and you have the ability to tidy up because of everything that you've gone through and you go, oh, I can't, I didn't, because ADHD, lull.
Starting point is 00:20:32 That is not, that, that, in my opinion, is weaponising. I know that there's struggles, but there is a difference between trying and getting overwhelmed or not trying. There are people out here trying to do difficult things, and that does, you don't, you're not excused of that because you're neurodivergent, I don't think.
Starting point is 00:20:52 So I walk a fine line I'm still fighting with myself on this one with you because I sometimes really struggle with what autism brings to the relationship
Starting point is 00:21:11 and I sometimes wonder whether you are and I don't really mean this I love you with rock and rolling but in my like worst moments my most judgmental moments, I could wonder, is that being weaponised against me? Like, if I suggest something, oh no, I don't like the plan changing. I'm like, is that, is that real?
Starting point is 00:21:38 Is that real? Or is that to get your own way? Now, I have obscene amounts of trust with you, so I'll 99.99% of the time will swing to it's real. But even in our relationship, six years together and happy as blim and larry, it can still just make me think. Yeah. Because it would be easy to do. If you don't like something I'm doing, turn that down noise sensitivity.
Starting point is 00:22:06 Oh, I don't want to come to your gig. It's too loud. Yeah. No, the plan. Do you know what I mean? I have the same thoughts about you. Yeah. The where again shelf?
Starting point is 00:22:17 Like, are you just being lazy little? I wonder from. Yeah. She struggles to stay on top of this to, is she taking the piss? Like, what are these clothes doing? I've just done 16 loads of washing. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:22:31 I don't know. I think it's, so it can be weaponised. We know that it is your personal responsibility not to weaponise it. So I have to be vigilant about me. Yeah. Is this real? Am I struggling? Do I need help?
Starting point is 00:22:47 Or could I? Yeah. Same with you. Yeah. Are you struggling? Do you need help? Do you need to talk to me? Or is it just, could you?
Starting point is 00:22:57 Well, it's also the easy road out, right? So there'll be truth in both of those examples, clothes or change your plans. Or I find this difficult. That doesn't immediately mean we can't change the plan. Yeah. It's like, yeah, we can. I'm just like freaking out a little bit about it. So can we just take a minute, take a beat, whatever.
Starting point is 00:23:21 Conversations. kind of compromise. Yeah. And yeah, that is, that is so good. I also think it's so important to say that there's also unhealthy, abusive relationship dynamics. And I can imagine for some people, this could be really, really real, a partner that refuses to do anything or to help or to give cuddles or emotion. Like, it could be really difficult.
Starting point is 00:23:50 So I just want to sort of send a bit of love and support to some. someone that's facing that and I'm sorry. Yeah. It's made me sad. Okay, number seven. Oh, good God. Is self-diagnosis valid? I mean, it has to be.
Starting point is 00:24:12 And like, less ADHD to start, the waiting list is too long for it not to be. Like, it kind of has to be. And what we're talking about now for autism and ADHD is if you think you are, that just means that you might need help and support. Like you shouldn't not get that help and support just because you haven't seen the doctor yet. But you don't go from walking along the street thinking you're neurotypical, bumping into a doctor and they'll be like, oh, you're autistic.
Starting point is 00:24:48 Oh, cool. I'm diagnosed now. You will go through that process of thinking you are probably, numerous online tests that all point to that you're neurodivergent. So like there's something in it. Now, we're not doctors. We're not saying that everyone that thinks their neurodivergent is neurodivergent. It's more complicated.
Starting point is 00:25:07 Well, that's your opinion. I have a different opinion. Oh, right. I don't think it is. What? You don't think what is? I don't think a self-diagnosis is a valid diagnosis. Right.
Starting point is 00:25:23 What do you mean? So diagnosis is a word that has a meaning. Yeah. You've been diagnosed. And we have to keep that. Because if you can self-diagnose, what's the point in being diagnosed? There's no difference between being diagnosed. So I think it's a linguistic thing.
Starting point is 00:25:46 For me, self-diagnosis is the first step towards diagnosis. It's absolutely valid for acting as if and getting support. port, but I wouldn't call it a valid diagnosis. Yeah, okay. Does that make sense? Yeah, yeah. So it's really important just to understand the language. Now, we're talking about ADHD.
Starting point is 00:26:08 What about other things? Could you self-diagnose as having an anxiety disorder, self-diagnosed as having BPD, self-diagnose as psychotic? We just have to be really, really careful that there is still a level of, education and knowledge and clarification that comes from therapist, psychiatrist, doctor. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that makes sense. Well, let me be controversial, and I'm not saying I believe this, but, like, ADHD is, I'm not talking about here
Starting point is 00:26:41 because that can have medication, like, attached to it and stuff, but let's just take autism, my kind of autism, like what I am, right? Is diagnosis needed? Like, is it like what would happen if all of a sudden it just didn't exist anymore? Well, it's interesting, isn't it? Because we sort of realized you might be. Your kid is and the internet told you that you were. So I started acting as if you were.
Starting point is 00:27:12 But if you're... And it made both of our lives easier. Yeah, if you're entitled to and should, and you should be entitled to support and the help and all of that, and what's the difference between the two for that particular example? For you? Yeah. You still believed you didn't have it up until the moment.
Starting point is 00:27:30 Yeah. That guy's, you were still like, I don't think it's me. Imposter syndrome, not disabled enough. Understand that's very nuanced. It did change. Yeah. Now you get to talk about it in a different way. We never really would speak about it even on the pod because there was still a doubt.
Starting point is 00:27:50 Yeah, that, okay, that makes sense. But yeah, interesting. Okay, you ready for the next one? Yeah. Oh, number eight. Are schools failing neurodivergent kids? Oh, God, I'm too old to answer that question. Like, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:28:06 Like, I think about school when I was a kid, and it was like not. But now I don't know what happens. Like my sister-in-law is like the Sen head. And I know they speak about it so much more, and there's so much more training and support. certainly, like she's amazing, but I don't know whether that's the same in all schools. Like, I haven't got a clue, basically.
Starting point is 00:28:31 It's going to be different. It will depend on the school, their funding, the teachers, their style of parenting and teaching. We know from our community that kids are being really let down across the country. And of course you can have someone incredible on the team. But I think there's a broader problem, which is that just school itself, the way school is set up, like a 9 to 5 office job that does not suit a lot of neurodivergent kids. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:29:08 So they end up either being naughty, failing, being told they've got potential but not reaching it. But you start to develop a negative self-esteem just from trying to have your little 9 to 5 school job. Yeah. In an ideal world, what would school look like for neurodivergent kids? I'll talk about ADHD kids. It would just never happen. We wouldn't have the funding, but it would be flexible hours, loads more physical activity, loads more creativity. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:29:41 Being able to go after hyperfocuses, even if it was ancient Egypt or history. Yeah. Yeah. That doesn't exist. So we're, as long as school feels like a mini version of a nine to five, I think it's always going to end up excluding and punishing neurodivergent kids. Yeah, I agree. Ready to number eight?
Starting point is 00:30:02 Yeah, I am. Can parenting change the trajectory of ADHD outcomes? I think that parenting can change the trajectory for all outcomes. Any and all outcomes. It wouldn't change whether somebody is neurodivergent or not, but it would change their experience. I feel like that question could have been more controversial. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:30:27 Like does parenting affect ADHD? There's loads of shitter-shatter about that online, isn't there? Yeah, I guess it would definitely impact the ADHD experience. Like if you keep forgetting, if you're getting eye-rolled and huffed and stuff like that, like that will add to the core belief that you're a rubbish human being. Which, by the way, actually, I do have a slightly controversial take. Go on. I actually think parenting is the biggest possible impact on ADHD outcomes.
Starting point is 00:31:04 Yeah. Because your parenting or how you were parented creates the inner voice of how you relate to ADHD. So I remember working with a guy a couple of years ago, I can't diagnose anyone ADHD. Okay, but let's just say, super creative in his own head, couldn't sit still on his feet, always forgetting things. He didn't even think he had ADHD.
Starting point is 00:31:29 He was just so happy, so confident, had such good self-esteem. And you kind of hear his story. His parents saw he was creative early on. He was putting to music lessons. He was able to go and study at music college. He's never, ever been shamed, made to feel like he's not good enough. his differences were encouraged and he's just out there. He's still living and dealing with ADHD.
Starting point is 00:31:53 Maybe. Sorry, I'm running late. Maybe. Sorry, I've forgotten to send that thing. But there was no shame. Yeah. I actually think the worst part of ADHD is how you feel about yourself. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:32:04 It's like losing things, forgetting things. Like you can work around that. You can be okay. It's the crippling self-hatred and self-talk that ruins lives. So here's a hot take then. That example, I can see why he's really like got eye self-esteem, but he works in an industry that sort of allows and even expects it. Everyone's late all the time in music. It just happens. But what happens if validate, validate, validate parents and then they go and get an office job, that's not the reality of the real world. I don't think.
Starting point is 00:32:47 It's validate, validate. It's not like, don't worry that you're late. It's just like, it's okay. You've got other skills. It's building up the strengths and being realistic about the weaknesses. That's what healthy self-esteem is. It isn't the coddling parent that's like, nothing's wrong with you. You never have to be on time.
Starting point is 00:33:03 Don't worry. I agree, but I still am not sure that that really helps in the office environment. I don't worry he's got other skills. I guess he probably didn't even consider an office job. because it was spotted early that that might not work. Yeah. You know, and I just think so many of us walking around with ADHD are walking around with the internalised voice of a parent
Starting point is 00:33:27 that just thought we were a pain in the ass, doing it on purpose, the tuts, the naughtiness, the telling us off. So you're just scared of your own shadow, which is a shame. I think we're in agreement on that one, aren't we? Wow, are we? Left the most controversial to last. Wait, you just said number eight for that one. That was number nine.
Starting point is 00:33:45 Oh, right, okay. Two number eight straight to number ten. Number ten. Is ADHD medication the best treatment? Oh God, I don't know. Me neither. Look, we're not doctors. But it's interesting because I don't take ADHD medication.
Starting point is 00:34:01 But you're not telling people not to. No. I've always, all the years on the internet, I like never speak about it. Because I don't want to influence anyone in like a serious medical, way like that is for you and your life and your doctor um but i can speak about it now because i've recently had a change of opinion so i think i might have gone from like a cancelable
Starting point is 00:34:27 cancelable cancance yeah i think they know what you mean yeah cancelable opinion to like maybe a more nuanced opinion okay so i was for me like quite anti-medication yeah but you that's all medication really. Oh yeah. It comes back to a couple of months after my mum died. I was 22. I went to the doctors and they gave me a form to fill out and they were like, well, you've ticked enough boxes of this form to be prescribed an antidepressant.
Starting point is 00:34:57 And I left with an antidepressant. And then I found out that the form was created by the company that made the antidepressant. And I remember feeling really, really angry. Because actually I was grieving and I needed to talk about that. Yeah. And I was just given pills for it. So I was, I was kind of created a bit of a
Starting point is 00:35:19 anti-big pharma conspiracy theory theorist at that point, fair enough. And I kind of kept that. So when the whole ADHD thing came up, I was quite anti-taking meds also. I have a personal history of enjoying taking stimulants. Yeah. I'll leave it at that. But like, I can't dabble in stimulants, even if they are under the medical label, just for my own sanity. So I was always a bit of a sort of like medication hater. Okay. And I used to worry, my worry about ADHD medication that I didn't take and knew nothing about was that what would happen if people lost it, would people become dependent on it?
Starting point is 00:36:04 Are you actually healing the underlying causes and issues, or is it just like a, band-aid on a bullet hole. Yeah. And that was my view. And then I got dealt a horrendous blow that all women get dealt, which is perimenopause, lost my mind. I have recently, a few months ago, gone on HRT and it's changed my life. So I've had to go onto medication.
Starting point is 00:36:34 Yeah. And I thought about that same argument, well, if they take the ADHD meds away, is that person going to function or are they reliant? Take my HRT away. I'm going to crash out. It has stabilised my mood, my libido. It's like the best thing ever.
Starting point is 00:36:52 Yeah. So I've just kind of chilled out on my anti-medication opinions. I just think if you found something that helps you and you've got a good medical provider, you do you. Like stay informed, know what you're doing. but you do you.
Starting point is 00:37:12 Interesting. I have no real strong feelings on medication because I can't take any for my autism. I wonder if they'll ever come up with a... I don't know. I don't think, yeah, I don't... Would you take it? Sorry, this is like, we're going to end soon.
Starting point is 00:37:29 Okay, but if there was a pill and it was like, it will make you... So ADHD makes you like more focused. It will make you more friendly and less direct. So you'll get on easier and social. situations. I don't think so. I don't think I'm quite happy with who I am. I love that. Yeah. The most controversial opinion you can ever have is just to love yourself. Wow, that's it. I think we've come through that fairly unscathed. Have we made it through hot takes? It's 34 degrees in here.
Starting point is 00:37:57 I need to go and get a glass of water. Thank you for listening to Hot Takes here at Late Bloomers. We understand that a lot of these were controversial. That was the point. Feel free to discuss and engage in the comments. We just ask not to get personal, not to argue. Life's too short, guys, for that, isn't it? It is. If you liked it, like, follow, subscribe. And we can't wait to see you next week.

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