LATE BLOOMERS - PEOPLE PLEASER REHAB: 10 challenges to finally put yourself first

Episode Date: February 11, 2026

In this episode of LATE BLOOMERS, Rich and Rox take on people pleasing head-on and introduce 10 real-life challenges designed to interrupt the habits that keep you putting everyone else first. They t...alk honestly about how people pleasing shows up day to day — over-explaining, apologising unnecessarily, saying yes when you mean no, and managing other people’s emotions at your own expense.They walk through the discomfort that comes with breaking these patterns, including the guilt, anxiety, and fear of being seen as rude, selfish, or difficult. Rich and Rox share personal examples of how deeply ingrained these behaviours are, where they came from, and why “being nice” often costs far more than we realise.This episode isn’t about becoming cold or uncaring — it’s about learning to tolerate discomfort, stop abandoning yourself, and practice choosing your needs without justification. If you’re exhausted from overgiving, overthinking, and constantly putting yourself last, this is your rehab.20% OFF LOOP EARPLUGS: https://www.loopearplugs.com/pages/lp-adhdlove

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Starting point is 00:00:56 Canadian porn. Blending since 1999. Are you a people pleaser? I've got a challenge for you. In fact, I've got 10 challenges for you to make you stop being a people pleaser. It's going to be uncomfortable, but you're going to agree to it because you're a people pleaser. You are a mean, mean man and I'm scared. This is the late bloomer's podcast where we are getting our lives together. Eventually, brought to you by our sponsor's loop earplugs. Are you ready for this challenge? Don't think. I'm really looking forward to this episode. Yeah, I bet you are.
Starting point is 00:01:35 I guess one thing I will say, I'm a self-identified people-pleaser. Mm-hmm. That doesn't end up pleasing anybody, neither the other person or myself. We understand people pleasing is bad and gets in the way and build secret resentments and relationship issues,
Starting point is 00:01:52 a blocker of true intimacy. It probably comes from trauma. So, like, we are in agreement that we want to get rid of people pleasing. Yeah. So, like, we're on the same page there. I just don't know where these challenges are going to take us. Well, look, I'm going to ease in nice and gently to start with, okay?
Starting point is 00:02:14 A nice, simple one for you. Number one of curing your people-pleasering is you've got to start sending back the wrong meal. Right. I, if a waitress has delivered me the wrong meal, yeah, but actually I wasn't 100% set on what I was going to have, and I like what she's put in front of me. And the restaurant is busy and she's stressed.
Starting point is 00:02:49 It can actually feel really nice. She's like, actually, don't worry, I'll eat this. Like, I don't want to cause a drama. I'm fine with having the shepherd's pie instead of the lasagna. so don't worry about it. It also saves that food, so it saves food waste. Right, this isn't a good start, is it? If you wanted Shepard's Pie, you would have ordered Shepard's Pie.
Starting point is 00:03:09 You wanted lasagna. If you're presented with Shepard's Pie, that's not lasagna. It is so different. One's potato-based, one's pasta-based. That's not what you ordered. Okay. You deserve lasagna, babe. Oh, it makes me, I'm already, no stop.
Starting point is 00:03:25 I'm already feeling uncomfortable because it reminds me of, in our local little sandwich place when I always ask for whole grain bread and they always give me white bread Yeah Which you just eat it Yeah Like the thing is
Starting point is 00:03:41 You don't have to throw the plate at them And go what are you doing? You idiot Bring me my meal that I ordered immediately You just need to even be polite about it You can just be like I actually ordered the lasagna
Starting point is 00:03:57 And they would be oh, I'm so sorry. I'll get that for you right away. Okay, I'm happy. How you've just said it there, does sound very polite, does sound fine, it is reasonable. I'm happy to accept the challenge
Starting point is 00:04:12 that next time I'm served the wrong meal, I will very politely let them know. Okay, without saying sorry. Oh, no, you can't. You can't say I'm really sorry, but you've given me the wrong order. That feels so. So unfair.
Starting point is 00:04:29 What are you apologising for? Because I'm getting in their way of their job and I'm causing, oh my Lord. Can you just let me do it? I'm agreeing to the challenge. Fine. Fine, fine, fine. Okay, ready for number two? No.
Starting point is 00:04:41 You're already sweating, aren't you? This is number two. Tell your hairdresser if you don't like your haircut. Whilst you're in the chair. Have you lost your mind? Nobody does. Nobody says. not one person in this world says,
Starting point is 00:05:04 I don't like this haircut. Okay. Let me put it like this. If I get a haircut and go, oh, I'm really sorry. Oh, actually, no. Oh, no, no, no. Cut that out, Max.
Starting point is 00:05:17 Don't let that stay in the podcast. I'll be branded as a fraud. It'll be staying in. Yeah. I don't like it. Here's the benefit of doing that. They learn, which means they get a repeat customer because you'll go back to them
Starting point is 00:05:34 because you've educated them as to how you like your haircut. Rather than your way, smile and go, yeah, it's great. Come home, cry about it, never see them again. They've lost a customer. You've restricted their earnings by not being truthful. So your point around it never helps anyone being a people pleaser. This is case in point. They earn less money.
Starting point is 00:05:57 You cry. Pleasing, absolutely. No, okay, so you've said I have to do it in the chair. I feel like that is quite brutal. Could I send a text afterwards and go, oh, actually it was a bit greeny? No, you're shaking your head at me. No.
Starting point is 00:06:18 So in the chair. You have to, yeah. Okay, so here's my issue with that. All right. Once the hair's being cut or died, it is too late. I could go, oh, you've done it a shade of blue I don't like. What, cool. Okay, so again, I'll give you another example.
Starting point is 00:06:32 of the meal. You don't have to go, you effing idiot. This is the wrong shade I asked for atomic blue, not whatever other blue this is. You've ruined my life. You just say,
Starting point is 00:06:49 thanks so much for your time. Next time I'd like it a bit different. I'd like it like it like this, please. Oh, you're saying next time. That helps me. Well, if they can't do anything about it, there's no point in having it. an awkward. Do you know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:07:03 Well, that's why I'd never say. I'd just let them butcher it, sit and smile and then pay and then come home and cry. I'm happy to say that's gone a bit dark actually. Next time, could we just have a note to make it lighter? I will, oh my God, my heart is beating fast. I will try that next time. Okay. Ready for number three. Mm-hmm. Okay. So you have to practice saying no without out giving an excuse or a whole backstory. So like, rocks,
Starting point is 00:07:38 you're available to do this tomorrow? No. Rather than, no, actually what's happening is this. And, or maybe I could move it. Oh,
Starting point is 00:07:46 no, what, there's this thing happening. There's aliens visiting. Whatever. Like, you can't give. What kind of sick individual
Starting point is 00:07:55 is asked to do something tomorrow and just writes back, no. Some, like a non-people-pleaser person. No, that is, listen, I'm all for getting rid of people-pleasing, but you are coming at this from also an extreme lens. Someone says to me, hey, Rucks, could you come and write a song with us tomorrow? A songwriter's dropped out.
Starting point is 00:08:22 Are you available? There is no world where I write back, no. All right, you can write no, I'm not available. Or no, you can even write sorry in this one. No, sorry I'm not available. Oh, okay. That is so far away from just no. No, sorry, I'm not available.
Starting point is 00:08:44 Okay. I would like to add to this text. Thank you for considering me. I really appreciate it. Do you? Is that true? Or are you thinking, are you receiving it going, oh, I don't really want to do that?
Starting point is 00:09:02 So if it's true, if you're like, I'm really glad they've considered. It's a lie, it's a lie. Oh, this is really confronting. Okay, so I would like to say, I'm really sorry. I'm not free tomorrow. Rich and I are recording a podcast. I can't make it.
Starting point is 00:09:19 I really hope you guys have a lovely time. Think of me next. Oh, no. You don't want that to happen. I also don't think you need to be like, I'm really sorry. You could say, unfortunately, I'm not available. Good luck with this song. don't think of me next time.
Starting point is 00:09:38 Okay. I will say, unfortunately, I'm not available. Hope you find someone and have a great day. I can commit to not saying I'm really savvy, not saying what we're doing and not saying thank you so much for thinking of me. Okay, I'll accept that. Okay, you're doing well, babe.
Starting point is 00:10:02 How are you feeling? We've gone through three So there's seven more to go. On edge. Okay, number four. This is crazy. You do this. I've literally had to call you up on this a couple of weeks ago.
Starting point is 00:10:17 So if you're having, I'm going to use our wedding as an example, right? We're getting married in March. By the way, that's going to confuse people. So just very briefly, I changed my name by Depal to Rocks Pink. So we've sort of been living in a sort of married way. Yeah. But we're actually doing the thing. But we've never done the ceremony.
Starting point is 00:10:44 So we're doing an actual like ceremony thing. Right. So anyway, let me get to it. You've got to start inviting people to things without saying it's okay to say no. But when you were asking people whether they wanted to come to a wedding, you would be, you would want to start it by being like, you're probably not. available, like no, no stress if you can't make it, but, like, just invite them. It's their decision to say yes or no. A wedding is an incredible amount of pressure. We're doing it last
Starting point is 00:11:18 minute because obviously it's me. I don't want anyone to feel guilty or shamed or living up to weird social norms that they have to come. So I'm saying, you're invited, would love you there, but honestly, it is completely fine if you can't make it, I'd understand. Just no, you have to remove that last bit. You're invited to our wedding. Be lovely if you could come. That's the truth of it. It's kind to say, like, don't worry, because I'm removing all the pressure from them.
Starting point is 00:11:46 So they, if they do have to say no, they won't have to feel any guilt. But that's not your pressure to remove. God. Like similarly, where I'm telling you, you have to say no if you don't want to say, like, it applies to other people as well. If they can't make it or don't want to come, that is. up to them. So I'm speaking to other people as if they're also people pleases. Yeah. So I'm trying to people please the people pleaser to stop them from people pleasing the people pleaser. Yeah. Okay. So what is it? I just have to say, hi, you're invited. Yeah, I'd love you to be there.
Starting point is 00:12:22 That feels like so much, so much pressure. Love you to be there. How is that leaving it open for someone to make a choice? Well, how many things do you get invited to where people go honestly though, Like it's no problem. You can say no. In fact, if you delete this, never want to speak to me again. That's all so fine. Like everything revolves around you. Like, you don't.
Starting point is 00:12:45 You just get invited to stuff. And then you decide whether you go or not. I will send out a wedding invite and not say, please don't worry if you can't make it. I agree to the challenge. Ooh. Well done, baby. I can feel you changing already.
Starting point is 00:13:01 Okay. Number five. Simple. tell someone when they've upset you. I tell you when you have upset me. Yes. But what about other people? And look, babe, you work in the music industry.
Starting point is 00:13:28 Like, there's going to be a lot of people that upset you. I don't like to do that. Because I'm so scared it will become a conflict. And if it's not a really bad thing, I'm happy to just, I'm happy to just like move on and not, I would just rather move forward and not have that conversation that could spin out of control. But you will let resentment build up if you don't tell someone. So I'm going to give an example of actually where you, I wasn't there, but you told me about. it. It's a really light, small thing. Um, but you did this really well. Oh. Yeah. So the tour that
Starting point is 00:14:20 you've just been on, you were like working out every day with a couple of people from the band. And like, they worked out without you one day, which upset you. Yeah. And you told them. I did. So like that is exactly what I'm talking about. Okay. So they worked out about me. RSD trigger. I felt left out. I was secretly sad. unraging all at the same time. And I wasn't going to say anything. So I don't want to take credit for this. But the person it involved is really close to me. We work together all the time, have a lot of love for him. And he knows me. So I think what I did was like I sort of walked past them and saw it like and then walked off passively aggressively. And they were like,
Starting point is 00:15:07 oh, Rock, Surrett, do you want to join us? And I was like, no thanks. by the way, I'm in my 40s. And then later on, he came up to me and put his arm around me and went, Roxy, you're right? And I went, actually, no, I was really sad that you didn't invite me. And he said, I'm so sorry, we couldn't find you. We just assumed you didn't want to do it. So, like, I kind of told him, but I also acted like a sort of baby. Okay.
Starting point is 00:15:36 So although you don't want to take credit, can you see the benefit of it? Yeah, because he said, I'm really sorry. And then every day I was invited and was able to say no thanks. I'm talking. But that's someone that I know really well, who I really value, who have like built that trust with. I would really struggle. But I really want to try because I understand that if you don't tell someone that they've upset you, how do they get to know you?
Starting point is 00:16:08 How do they get better? how do I stop being a resentment bomb? Obviously, it comes from childhood. You tell a parent they've upset, they scream it, you shame, you remove love. So it's, I know I'm an adult and no one has that power over me now,
Starting point is 00:16:23 but it can feel like that. It can feel like you're about to get shamed and screamed at so sometimes it's easier to just ignore. So what I'm not saying is you have to tell everybody all of the time. So if it's somebody that you are probably never going to see again, you don't have to tell him if they're just just, you're not going to see him again, whatever.
Starting point is 00:16:45 Just think that they're a bit of a douche and move on with your life. But if it's somebody doesn't have to be really close to you or me, is somebody that you know that you're going to interact with or going to be working with a lot, you're going to need to tell them otherwise, resentment will build and it will explode down the line. I agree to that challenge. Lovely.
Starting point is 00:17:06 Okay. We're halfway there. Oh, Lord. So before we go into the second half, quick word from our sponsors. Thank God. We have an amazing sponsor of the late bloomer's podcast, and it is Loop Earplugs, something that both Rich and I love. And all of our listeners get 20% off.
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Starting point is 00:18:04 actually change your life. So head to the link. in the show notes or our bio for 20% off. Right, let's get back to the episode. Right, back in the game of number six, are you ready? Mm-hmm. This one's well funny. So I'll explain what I mean, but the headline is you need to stop apologising for existing.
Starting point is 00:18:28 Right? So what I mean by that is somebody could bump into you and you'll apologize, or you'll need to move out the way and you'll be like, oh, sorry, what are you sorry for? You've done nothing wrong. You can be polite and move, but you don't have to apologise
Starting point is 00:18:45 just for resisting. Do I not? No. But if I've got in the way, it takes two people to bump into each other. What if you're stood there? Someone's not looking where they're going, walk into you, you would be like, sorry.
Starting point is 00:19:03 Oh, sorry. That is like a natural, automatic, like I'm not thinking I need to apologize. Sometimes I get annoyed of myself for doing it. It comes out like word vomit, like automatic apology. I think this might be a people pleaser slash British thing to do. Slash woman. Not just women, like soft, slightly softer.
Starting point is 00:19:34 Not though I'm a soft subservient character at all in real life, but it is slightly drummed into you society-wise. So like you get bumped into, you say sorry. I would love to, I'd love to not do that. But I wouldn't even know where to start because it's an automatic process. Maybe it's like all the other practice challenges could change that. Okay. All right.
Starting point is 00:20:01 Maybe. Here's your thing then. So, you know, when we were talking about, in a different episode about negative self-talk or talking to yourself really badly. And step one of advice to people was just notice when you do it. Maybe that's the first step. Notice when you're saying sorry for no reason or for just existing and just be conscious of it. Maybe that's the first step.
Starting point is 00:20:32 I'm so sorry you've actually given me the wrong order here. So sorry that we have in a wedding. and I may not be free. I say sorry all the time before everything. And I'm definitely up for noticing where I do it to try and help me from stopping. Okay. Cool. Deal.
Starting point is 00:20:50 Number seven, ready? Mm-hmm. Let someone struggle without trying to fix it. Now, before I get any hate, I'm not saying never help anyone. that's not what I'm saying. I'm thinking specifically about you. There's been some characters in your life that have been struggling
Starting point is 00:21:16 and they take the absolute piss about how much of your time they take. Like it's a joke. They'll ring you every three days. Download how awful it is to be them and their life. Don't make any changes. Have the same conversation with you a week later. and you're always there.
Starting point is 00:21:38 What do you think? I am going to challenge it slightly. Go on. The others I've all seen as people pleaser. This one, I'm like, is that not just being a nice person? Like, I've struggled in the past and know what it's like to struggle. So therefore, I want to be there for someone if they are struggling. I want to be that phone call that somebody makes.
Starting point is 00:22:04 is that just being a sort of nice person. Okay. So my rebuttal challenge is do you have boundaries around that? So it is nice to be there to support someone. Is it okay at the detriment to yourself? So no, I don't have boundaries. And no, it isn't okay at the detriment. And I'm immediately thinking of all the people that this is
Starting point is 00:22:37 where anything is dropped for them, including my own life, my own priorities. My stories or my struggles aren't part of the narrative. It's all about them. But I've been a willing participant in that. Like I also think there is a slight selfishness to be in the person that wants to pick someone.
Starting point is 00:22:58 It's almost, you can see it in the coddling parent as well. It's the same brand. Yeah. You want to fix and cuddle and please. So you are seen as this lovely, wonderful, saintly character. So I haven't been like not wanting to engage in those relationships. I've stepped into willingly, let me be on the phone with you. Let me come and meet you.
Starting point is 00:23:25 Come and speak to me. Like, I've almost wanted to be seen. That's maybe part of the people pleases dilemma is we're so, desperate to be seen as the nicest personal life. But what that can then lead to is like anxiety when that person flashes up on your phone. It's like, oh my God, I don't want to answer it because I know what's coming. You are in a service position. And if you're tired or burnt out, it's very, very difficult to always be in the service position.
Starting point is 00:23:55 Also, in the parent analogy, the reason why you shouldn't always fix a problem for a kid, is they don't learn. They don't learn, you know, you get stronger and you grow resilience and life skills by struggling and by fixing it. And we know that and we try and do that in a parenting role because otherwise you steal the kids' resilience
Starting point is 00:24:22 by doing everything for them. It's the same as a friend. So I'm stealing someone's ability to grow themselves by trying to fix them. It's quite a powerful way of putting it, is that not only are you preventing them from learning, you could flip it as though you're part of the problem. Like rather than them not realising it is actually you're actually an enabler for this person's behaviour. Sure. People pleasing and enabling, I think are very, very close friends.
Starting point is 00:24:55 One little caveat. This isn't to be confused with somebody that you love. in real need, right? So I don't think I'm a people, please. And no one's ringing me up and telling me their problems. I'm like, whatever, mate. Like, never. But there are a few people in this world.
Starting point is 00:25:13 If they're in trouble, they know they could ring me. Everything would be dropped and I would go and help them. I would ring you. Yeah. Yeah. So, like, there's a difference between those two. But no one's ringing me up for validation because I would be like, you know me.
Starting point is 00:25:32 you know, you've needed to soften me with parenting in this way because I could be like, well, no, this is in your gift. Like, stop moaning or stop being upset. Like, just change then. Just do it differently. Stop being upset, just change. Look, there's a middle ground. I hear it.
Starting point is 00:25:52 So what was the actual challenge? Let someone struggle without trying to fix it. Yeah, okay. I can do that. Okay, lovely. Number eight, a bit of a lighter one. Oh, thank God. Oh, it might not feel lighter, but okay, pick what you want for dinner or what we watch on TV without saying I don't mind.
Starting point is 00:26:18 I'm going to argue it is lighter and I'm so happy, but I am going to argue with you. What if I genuinely don't mind? What if I'm like, honestly, the decision could go either way. I'm 50-50 or 25-25-25-25, I don't want the pressure of making the decision. I would rather you choose. I don't mind. No, because you'd never be 25, 25, 25, 25, 25. You would have a preference. So what would be okay to say is my preference is KFC,
Starting point is 00:26:52 but I would also be happy with the dominoes in front of me. But at least I know your preference. But what if I don't have a preference? right, listen, of course you're going to have a, like, what do you want for dinner? Don't mind. Okay, cool. Let's have liver, kidney and onions with no gravy or sauce or anything. Okay.
Starting point is 00:27:17 Do you know what I mean? Yes. Okay. That sounds gross. That's made me feel ill. Okay. So yes, there's a preference, but like from within a group. So if you were like, right, we're going to have a naughty dinner tonight.
Starting point is 00:27:30 do you want Maca's KFC or Dominoes? And I'd be like, like, either. I really don't mind. Are you telling me? Yeah. Okay, fine. Look, I'll accept this challenge if you're being honest. So I'm going to speak to your integrity now.
Starting point is 00:27:47 Are you telling me that every time you say I don't mind, you genuinely don't mind? No, I'm very often lying. Right. So here we go. So you spent the last three or four. minutes, arguing a point that isn't, that's hypothetical. Sometimes I don't mind because sometimes I'm so tired I don't want to have to make the decision.
Starting point is 00:28:12 So you making the decision is like an act of love for me, okay? So say that then. Yes. Where it shows up for me 100% is outside of the home. If I'm with other people and they are talking about dinner plans or what to do or like, anything. I'm like, I don't mind. What do you want to do? I would be happier if they were happier. Okay. So this is about maybe not going with the flow and maybe just having a voice in those plans. Don't have to sulk if it doesn't go your own way, but you can at least.
Starting point is 00:28:48 It's just so scary though, because I don't want, it is the people pleases paradox. I don't want to say I want to go to Pizza Express, knowing that if there's another people pleaser in that group, they're going to go absolutely let's go there. I don't want to have that impact on someone. Well, listen, you can do hard things. You're a crossfitter now. Okay, so express a preference for something. If you have a preference. If I have a preference.
Starting point is 00:29:24 Which is often. Which is often outside of the house. Okay, I can also do that. But you're doing really well. You've got two more to go. This one's funny and so real. Cancel a plan without lying. So I'm talking, oh, I can't do this thing tomorrow. I've actually got kidney failure.
Starting point is 00:29:51 I've got to go out of operation. I've broken my leg. Say kidney failure. But yes, if I'm canceling a plan, I don't want to or I'm just so tired doesn't feel legit. So it'd be like I forgot I had to do this. Or it has to be an extreme. Like I'm so burnt out.
Starting point is 00:30:10 I can't actually get out of bed. I try and make it extreme so they don't think I'm letting them down. So they realize my gosh, like she's really struggling. That's why she's not coming, not because she doesn't care. And this is fascinating, right? So how do you feel when someone cancels a plan? Right, same. But you're assuming that if you cancel on someone else,
Starting point is 00:30:38 you're going to ruin their day. Wow, that is, I've never thought about it that way. Also, when someone cancels on me and they say, I'm so sorry, this person's gone into hospital, that's done that. I'm like, you're lying, it's fine. Like, I obviously don't say that because I'm a people please there, but it's sort of like a noise, mate, you don't need to, whereas someone's like, hey, can we move coffee?
Starting point is 00:30:58 I'm just tired or I've double booked. That I way rather that. Oh my gosh. There's something magical about the truth, isn't there? The truth makes you just feel set free to also tell the truth. So actually, if I was really a people pleaser, I'd tell the truth because it would give all the other people pleases permission to tell the truth. So yeah, next time I cancel a plan, I won't fake an illness or make it really,
Starting point is 00:31:26 but I'll just say I need to cancel. Yeah. Okay. Final one. Don't laugh when a joke is either not funny or it's offensive. Oh, that is... Obviously, I wouldn't do that in our house and that happens all the time. And I'm hilarious.
Starting point is 00:31:52 What do you mean it happens all the time? Both not funny and offensive. Where this is a problem is outside of the house. I think that's where the people... pleaserie is always worse when you don't know if you're really safe. And I would, if I was in a room with people and someone said a really unfunny joke or something that upset me, I would not want them to feel uncomfortable. So I would laugh to soften the mood.
Starting point is 00:32:19 I couldn't stand for it to be awkward for them. So just to make it really clear in my mind. So what you're saying is you've met someone for the first time. They've told you an offensive. you are offended, like maybe it's sexist or misogynistic or whatever, you're offended and your first port of call is to not cause them offence. And not only be offended yourself, actually pretend to laugh and enjoy what they're saying. That's what you're saying happens.
Starting point is 00:32:53 When you repeat it back to me, I'm aware that it's insane. But it isn't a, I don't think they've offended me, but I can't tolerate it. right, them feeling offended, so I'm going to laugh. It is on auto, I'm like an autopilot laugh at unfunny jokes because I cannot stand the thought of someone else feeling uncomfortable or sitting in uncomfortable silence. And I know, like I can think of a couple of occasions when someone has made a joke towards me that is so inappropriate and I've laughed. So, I mean, I would go a step further. I'm not saying I'm right, but I would. tell them that it's offensive, I would, I would call them out on it immediately. I wouldn't just
Starting point is 00:33:41 not laugh. It wouldn't be awkward. It'd be more awkward because I'd be like, that's actually really offensive. Oh, I wish. I really would want to be that type of person and I will try. I will try. It's really difficult, babe. It's how episodes be really difficult. Let's role play it. I won't, I'll say I won't actually tell you in an appropriate joke, but let's assume. Right. I've just said a joke. Yeah. And I've really offended you.
Starting point is 00:34:17 Yeah. Why, no, you're laughing. What are you doing? What are you smiling and laughing? That is not good. That's not good stuff. You are smiling and laughing, so I'm just, it's a mirroring. Right, no.
Starting point is 00:34:31 So start, I'm going to make it worse, though. Really offensive joke. Ha ha, ha, ha. Do you not find that funny? Okay, Elizabeth. No, it's like, I can't, sorry, it's... There's a bit of work to do, babe, I think, yeah? I'll accept the challenge.
Starting point is 00:34:54 Let's do it again. When I say, do you not find that funny, say, no, it's actually quite offensive. Fine. Right, ready? Yeah. Really inappropriate, inappropriate joke. Do you not find that funny?
Starting point is 00:35:07 No. Why not? It's inappropriate. Okay. But then I would feel overwhelming anxiety and fear. Right, just, just, just, we're going to do it one more time. Can you please say I actually found it a bit offensive? Fine.
Starting point is 00:35:28 Inappropriate joke, ha, ha, ha, ha. Do you not find that funny? No, I don't. I actually, if I'm being honest, I found that a bit offensive. Oh, I'm really sorry. I won't know that joke again. or if it was me, I'd be like, oh, why? Because of this and this and this and this
Starting point is 00:35:49 and women would be seen to do this and blah, blah, blah, I'd be like, oh my God, I didn't know that. Because often, right, these people are out here telling those jokes because not because they're meaning to be mean or offensive, they're probably just uneducated. Whoa. So I've denied them. So what you're doing is letting them tell the offensive, inappropriate jokes.
Starting point is 00:36:14 to everyone else that they meet. Wow, that's just... Because in my mind it's going to explode and be around, be awkward, and I'm going to have to leave. Perfect. That has it even better. I want to offend you. Right, cool.
Starting point is 00:36:30 See you later. One less idiot in your life. Oh, babe. If only. Right. Look, ten challenges. How many do you reckon you're going to do? All ten.
Starting point is 00:36:44 All right, well, look, I hope you've enjoyed. I hope you can maybe try one or two of them if you're a people pleaser. Hope you've enjoyed today's episode. If you have, like, follow, subscribe, maybe let us know some of the people pleasery things that you do. In the meantime, we'll see you next week.

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