Law&Crime Sidebar - 11 Times A$AP Relli Lashed Out During A$AP Rocky’s Assault Trial

Episode Date: February 9, 2025

The prosecution's star witness in their case against rapper A$AP Rocky is Terrell Ephron, also known as A$AP Relli. He claims Rocky fired a gun at him in 2021. But the fellow rapper has had a hard time keeping his cool at times on the stand. Law&Crime’s Jesse Weber has the most dramatic moments.PLEASE SUPPORT THE SHOW: Download the FREE Upside App at https://upside.app.link/sidebar to get an extra 25 cents back for every gallon on your first tank of gas.HOST:Jesse Weber: https://twitter.com/jessecordweberLAW&CRIME SIDEBAR PRODUCTION:YouTube Management - Bobby SzokeVideo Editing - Michael Deininger, Christina O'Shea & Christina FalconeScript Writing & Producing - Savannah Williamson & Juliana BattagliaGuest Booking - Alyssa Fisher & Diane KayeSocial Media Management - Vanessa BeinSTAY UP-TO-DATE WITH THE LAW&CRIME NETWORK:Watch Law&Crime Network on YouTubeTV: https://bit.ly/3td2e3yWhere To Watch Law&Crime Network: https://bit.ly/3akxLK5Sign Up For Law&Crime's Daily Newsletter: https://bit.ly/LawandCrimeNewsletterRead Fascinating Articles From Law&Crime Network: https://bit.ly/3td2IqoLAW&CRIME NETWORK SOCIAL MEDIA:Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lawandcrime/Twitter: https://twitter.com/LawCrimeNetworkFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/lawandcrimeTwitch: https://www.twitch.tv/lawandcrimenetworkTikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@lawandcrimeSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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And now that the state has officially arrested their case, we're going to break down the most dramatic moments that have set the stage for what is to come. Welcome to Sidebar. Presented by Law and Crime. I'm Jesse Weber. Well, after eight days of dramatic testimony, the prosecution rested its case on Thursday in the high-profile trial of rapper and fashion mogul ASAP Rocky. He faces two felony counts of assault with a semi-automatic firearm for allegedly firing a gun at a former friend on a Hollywood street back in 2021. Five witnesses took the stand, including law enforcement officers, a firearms expert, but most notably, the accuser himself, the alleged victim in this case. Rocky's former friend ASAP Relly. Now, according to Raleigh, whose real name is Torel Ephron, after a falling out, he and Rocky confronted each other on a Hollywood street back

on November 6, 2021, where Rocky allegedly fired two shots grazing Efron's knuckles. And while Ephron wasn't seriously injured, his version of events forms the crux of the prosecution's case. Now, Rocky has denied the allegations, has denied the charges, has pled not guilty to the felony counts of assault with a firearm. His defense claims he was only carrying a starter pistol, so a weapon basically incapable of firing real bullets, like a prop gun. But Efron claims he went back to the scene, found shell casings that matched a 9mm handgun. Rocky's defense team argues that Efron planted those shell casings and that Efron was dishonest about this, that he

was just trying to extort money from ASAP Rocky. Now, here's the thing about this, despite What are serious charges? I mean, we're talking prison time. Rocky actually rejected a pretrial offer, an offer that would have resulted in just a 180-day jail sentence. I say just. I mean, it's something significant, but six months compared to potentially years in prison, that's what he's risking now by going to trial and taking this to a jury. But as the prosecution rests its case, all eyes are now turned into the defense. With one big question on everybody's mind, will ASAP Rocky take the stand in?

in his own defense. Look, he's not required to testify. It's his decision. His decision alone, the defense has not indicated whether he is going to do that or not, we shall see. But I'll tell you what, as all the drama plays out, what we're going to do right now to frame up what the rest of the case will look like, we want to take a look back at some of the most intense moments from this trial so far. So for three days, the jury heard from the state's most important witness, Terrell Efron, Asap Relli. His testimony was crucial because it painted a picture of a once-closed friendship that he had with Rocky that soured, that soured into a bitter feud, and that led to the alleged shooting. Again, although Efron wasn't badly hurt, his version of events remains the cornerstone of this case.

However, I should tell you, Ephron wasn't exactly a star-perfect witness during his cross-examination. He sparred with Rocky's defense attorney Joe Takapina basically at every point. In fact, at one point, Efron hurled insults at the attorney during questioning about a photo on Instagram. You know, we have to go see you now you think you're slick. No, you did because you're sneaky. Don't be insulting. Stop it. I'm feeling.

He is not insulting you. Don't insult him. Hey, by the way, thanks so much for following our coverage of this ASAP Rocky trial. And by the way, we have been doing our best to bring you those big updates you might have missed. And for that, I got to thank our sponsor upside to their support helps us to keep on doing this. No, Upside is a free app and it gets you cash back on daily essentials like gas, groceries, food. I pump my gas. I can use Upside. Go out to lunch at Chipotle, I can use Upside. Maybe I get some gum, tick tax at 7-11. I can use upside. Why not get cash back when I do all these things, right?

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fake evidence. So you called him because we were presenting fake evidence to you? Yes or no? I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, man. There's just a 1 to 12. Because you guys just keep playing fake audio tune, like fake stuff. I never said none of that same. It doesn't even make sense.

It doesn't fit in with his case. You're trying to slip it in. Okay, stop. All right, does that answer the question? We're going to get more into that in a bit, but I actually want to rewind to the first few days that Efron was on the stand during his direct examination. You see, Efron told the jury that he and Rocky

were once close childhood friends and co-founders of the ASAP Mob Collective in New York City back in 2000. But he claimed that their friendship deteriorated when Rocky got famous, and he started seeing him less frequently, even referring to him as the six-month man, meaning they only saw each other about once every six months. Ephron described Rocky as becoming distant, not just from him, but from the rest of the ASAP mob. And the situation took a turn on the day of the incident. When Ephron says he woke up to numerous calls and texts from Rocky asking him to meet him at a parking garage in Hollywood to hash things out, and Efron hoping to resolve. the issues with his childhood friend, he agreed. But according to him, when they met on a public sidewalk,

that is when things escalated quite quickly. Because Efron described the tense moment when, according to him, Rocky allegedly pulled out a gun and pointed it at him. When you said he pointed after you wear on your body, was it pointing. Like, towards my stomach, like, towards, like, my head is a little, like,

everything was happening so fast, so fast, you know what I mean? And from what you're describing, Was it moving? Yeah, it was moving. He had it up. Okay, so he didn't just hold it at your stomach. It was kind of... No, no, he was looking for a spot to shoot.

Okay. If Elijah wasn't there, I don't know what would have happened. And you said as he was pointing it at you is... What did he say? I'll kill you right now. And was that in an angry zone? Yeah, he was living. Was his voice elevated?

Like, was he yelling this at you? Yeah. Yeah, because we were going back and forth at this point. All right. And you said that after he pointed the gun in you, you became angry. Right. Yeah, I became furious. So what did you say back to?

I told him to use it. Why? Because mentally, like, I couldn't believe he just pulled the gun out on me. So I'm like, what the fuck? Like, you better use that. You got a gun for. Can you explain? I want, I want, as best you can,

to the jury, explain to them what you mean by, I can't believe he just pulled the gun. What is that, what do you mean by it? Like, I physically cannot believe it was a gun in my face. Like, that was the bridging point for me, because like what I said, told this kid numerous times, if you have a problem with me, let me know.

You know what I mean? I feel like this got to the max. Like, this was like, no return. So if I was willing to die for my respect at this point, I don't care. You get what I'm saying? Like, if this is what you want to do, I still have my dignity. That's how I felt.

But then, the mood in the courtroom shifted dramatically when cross-examination started. So Joe Takapina didn't hold back. He relentlessly questioned Efron about things he said in previous testimony. And Efron appeared to be quite frustrated at this. Well, did you hear your testimony? Yeah, I didn't. Okay. And when you said, I said, fuck you, it was with love, right?

That's what you said. I don't get what you're saying. Sorry. What did you hear yourself just saying? I don't get what you're saying. What did you hear yourself just say? But what are you getting at? I don't get what you're saying.

You're worried about what I'm getting at. Let's explain what you again. I'm just listening. He's asking you. Did you hear that your testimony? Mm-hmm. Yes? He's just asking you.

Did I say it? Did I say, I don't know. Can you explain the car? Did you just see yourself? No, but you're not explaining the question. Here's my question. I see myself, but you're not explaining. So what I'm supposed to say is the simple to.

No, just listen. You see yourself. Did you see yourself? Did you hear yourself? Did you hear yourself? I heard myself. What's that truthful? What you just said?

That I love him or like it was cool? I don't know what you mean. I said a lot of things. The part that you said, if I said, you, it was sort of wish you It was sort of wishing, watching the glove, you know. That was true, true, true.

By the way, before we start talking about the events surrounding November 6th in 2021, which we would talk about. Can you call up the rest of the text message? Is that wrong? Here's what we're going to do. I'll ask the questions. You're going to answer it. Okay, if you can.

In November 2021, November 2021, you told people that you were a millionaire. Correct. What? You're not understanding my question. I don't understand this. Yes, no, I don't know. Like, why are you showing my Instagram? I'm already getting death threats.

People are dreading my daughter. Like, what's going on here? Who did you do that? The whole world. The whole world gave you that. Because what you're saying. Because I'm asking you question on your Instagram. Because you're saying I'm extortioning this and all this and putting my whole life on...

Nobody is doing. No one really is doing you. in you extortion. You're going to get, you're going to get through a lot faster if you just answer the questions. So last week, after being on the stand for a few days, Efron made a bombshell admission. He essentially revealed that he had been in a gun range in Los Angeles just two weeks before the alleged incident with Rocky. Now, earlier in the trial, the defense played a video showing him firing a gun at a gun

on October 19, 2021, which he claimed was filmed in New Jersey. But when he returned to the stand on Wednesday, he seemed to change his story, admitting that after revisiting his Instagram archive, he realized that the video was actually filmed at the Los Angeles Gun Club. Now, that change and testimony raised even more questions about his credibility, also for the guy who allegedly found the 9mm casings at the crime scene, something to be thinking about. But Efron had originally stated that he was on a business trip to California and returned.

turned to the East Coast before traveling back to Los Angeles in the days leading up to the confrontation with Rocky. But when he was questioned about why he had to revisit his Instagram archive to know what was really going on, this is when he became increasingly defensive. There is nothing in your Instagram that shows you in Los Angeles on October 19, 2021. Is that? Yes, it is. Really?

I'm going to give you a live phone. You're showing on your Instagram. So we, on your Instagram, where it shows that you're in Los Angeles on October 19, 2021. What do you mean a lot of phone? My phone, you're an Instagram. No, we have to go see, now you think you slick. We've got to go to my phone, my actual phone and go to my archive. You're not going to show me something of my highlights, which is not there.

You think you're going to stop. Stop. You're not going to kick chirping me up. I'm on. It's right. Stop. Stop. Just stop talking.

We have a letter from the VA And the letter says that Mr. Ephron informed them that he went on his Instagram. Yes, my Instagram. All right. Your turn. As is, brother, boss. You're trying to show me somebody else is

that I can't activate where I can go to my archive. He is not slick. He doesn't need to go on someone else's phone. You have your phone? You know I don't got it. It's over there. We can hear it though. I can show you. We can go here right now.

So you're being clear this will cause you to go back. No, you did because you're sneaky. Don't be insulting. Stop it. I'm feeling right. He is not insulting you. Don't insult him. Don't insult any lawyer that's asking you questions.

You're not doing yourself any good by doing that. I mean, I'm getting screwed. I mean, I just say this is not where I... How much long do you have? You're a minute, sorry. Well, thanks. It's 12 o'clock. I would like to get finished with Mr. Ephron before we take the break. So anyway, what was it that caused you to remember this? What did you see?

You get your question asking, not giving me time, tripping me up. So I went back and I analyzed my whole Instagram, analyzed everything you said, and I started realizing what you was doing. So then I went to my archive. You just try to show me something over story that you can't get any archive. So you're already like lying to people or lying about the situation because you know I cannot see it throughout that way. I would feel it. You cannot accuse anybody of lying. Do not do that. I told you nothing derogatory. But nobody told me this. I'm telling you and I've been telling you, do not be derogatory toward anyone in this courtroom. Also during Ephron's cross

examination, he was asked about phone conversations that he had with a man named Wally Sajimi, a branding consultant for both Efron and Rocky, and this is important because Sajimi had apparently recorded several conversations, and one of which allegedly captured Efron saying that suing ASAP Rocky, that was the plan all along. And Efron was purportedly heard stating that if he walked away after getting a payout, the criminal case would be weaker because prosecutors would have to hunt them down. Now, despite this, Efron has adamantly denied the authenticity of all three recordings, insisting that the third one didn't even sound like him. And then he argued that the recordings shouldn't be admissible. We talked about that individual Wally Sajmi, who you said

we knew, right? Who? Wally's Jimmy? Wally. Wally? The guy in the IT guy, right? You know Wollies, right? Is that yes? I said, yeah. Yeah. Did you, um, tell Wally, in August of 20, 22. that you can't sue someone with certain tests like that without a criminal action. When you say that, for a while? I mean, that's clear. You can't sue somebody. It's a crime. Is that what he's asking?

He's asking. Did you tell that for a while? I don't remember. It's due probably was debating me calling me. I don't know. Got a spoof of his voice. So the answer is no? No.

I'm sorry, I just want to follow along that action. The dude was the debate and you calling you? Did you say that? I mean, you tell me about private conversations I have with this dude. I'm not talking. I mean. Do you say smooth?

I mean, if the phone call you played yesterday was not me. That was not you. That was not me. That was fake. 100% favorite. Yeah. You would agree, sir, that you really didn't care about the end of the police of all in this case. What you really wanted was money from Rock.

Right? civil suit. I know. My question. He's asking you a yes or no question. Ask the question again. Can you answer a question again? Sure.

You agree that you really don't care about any, but police of all, your ending was to get money from Rock. Right? Yes or not? No, I wanted some type of protection, too. He was not giving me no type of comfort that this was not going to happen again, nor, so regardless, I was the word. So the answer is no?

No. No, I was going to vote. The answer is no. Yeah. Well, um, did you tell Wally in April of 2022, I don't give an act about no police and word. You said Wally. What's the contents to that? What is that about?

I'm not in this case. But you're not, what are you talking about? Based on the question, we'll be a little bit about further foundation to certain instances. I don't know. I don't know. I don't. Is it a statement. Mr. State.

Okay. Did you tell Wally in April of 2022 that the end game is you gonna sue the ship? When? If I already have a civil suit and this dude's calling me, I'm openly telling him I have a civil suit. Mr. Ephron? That's not what he asked me. please listen to his question i don't know i don't know how much to listen to this question and then you can say i don't know or i don't remember or yes or no no thank you can you re-ask that sure

in aprons of 2022 if you tell wali the end game i'm sui the i don't know now despite the defense's repeated questioning effron continued to deny making these statements And when he was pressed on his relationship with Shijimi, Efron initially denied knowing him, only to later admit that he did know him and even spoke to him regularly. I'm going to ask you if you said the following, to Wally and Zedmi. Okay, just wasn't going to know if you said the following. He, being rocky, he's going to have to deal with that in his political ties and everything else because once I walk away, when I get my cash, the case gets way weaker.

It's just like domestic violence case. If you hit your and your B. wants to keep going through with the situation, you'll go down. But if you're not there, then they're going against the state and it's way weaker. If I'm not there, if he pays me out being rocky, Via through my lawsuit, I'll walk away basically. It's going to be hard for the DA to find me because I'm going to be on another island just relax me.

Get what I'm saying? They're going to be scrambling to find me because now they have to go against Rocky the state. And yeah, they have evidence of this and that the third, but it's not going to be the same when you present it to the jury and you don't have the complaining witness. Did you ever say that for Wally's Jimmy? No. They don't.

Okay. So now, we're going to do what we've done a few times, right? I'm going to bring up a recording, let you hear it, and you're going to tell me if it's you. I'm sorry. Something happened. No, it's not me already. No. I don't know.

Come on with that recording two years. It's hard enough. I don't know. She's played it. I heard it. It didn't sound like me. Didn't sound like you? No. Um, is that a fake also? I don't know you tell me you couldn't know what type of fake stuff in front of me. What fake stuff? No, no, stop. What fake stuff am I putting in front of you?

I don't know. It's just too wilding. I don't know. You just keep putting this fake stuff in front of me. in front of me. Are you saying you don't go who Wally is? Sir, are you saying you don't know who Wally is? It's not real. I don't know him. I met him. I don't know of him. I know him. But this is, this is beyond me. Have you used Wally? Do I work for you? No.

You've not. One time, they can be verified. I told you that. Okay. You kept in conversation with me? Obviously, now I know why. What do you think that in the other life? What do you think that in the way? That's great.

I thought it was kind of weird. Stop. Stop. Stop. Mr. Affron. Ask another question. What did you just mean to this room? You said, now you know why if you've had the conversation with you.

I mean, he always hits me up, asking me how I'm doing. Yo, that's fucked up. You know, Rocky. I'm my brother. It's like, it's weird. He's baiting me. And to, like, spoofing my voice and doing something. Because now all of a sudden, you're coming to me,

talking about while he's doing this down the third and none of that none of the conversations i have with none of them don't even start like that i don't even sound like that he's more so asking yo how's the case going yo that's and i asked him you still work for rugby he said no i don't work for him ain't nobody really it's no real emotional thing so you've had conversations not those conversations i mean he calls me he calls me he calls me he calls me he calls me he probably once a month every two, three months, and it asks me very vague questions. Oh, how's it going, my brother? Oh, what's this?

So you didn't have... No, no, those is fake. Those is fake. Sir, you heard about three seconds. It don't matter. How would you know? You over there. She's plain to hear. Because I counted one, two, three. One of your whole conversation? No. No. No. No, I just want this over.

Now, here's the thing about this. Despite claiming that these recordings were fake, and remember he originally said he didn't even know who Sajimi was, Efron reportedly called Sajimi during a lunch break of the trial to discuss the recordings, raising questions about why he would do that if he was certain they were fabricated. So the defense, unsurprisingly, pressed Tirel Efron on this during cross-examination. always said three to four shots. We talked about Wally, Sajini. The other thing, remember Wally?

I don't remember. I mean... You know who the Wally is? Sorry? Just go, Mr. Tocke, you know what to go? What we're going to go... You know, Wally is? I do.

Okay. In fact, you told Wally he shot you five times. Right? No, I didn't. You didn't say it? No, I didn't. And by the way, it's become Wally. Last Thursday was my first day of course examination of you, and I asked you about the statements

made me to Wally that morning. The question saying in terms of that morning, the morning, the morning of the morning of the examination, yes, sir. The morning of the examination last Thursday, I'd ask you questions about Wally. In statements you may have made the WALA, would you be made the WALA. would you deny. At the lunch break, Mr. Efron, you called Wallet, correct? I called him after everything because, I mean, you guys got y'all whipping up lies over here.

None of them, you have no evidence. Hold on Mr. John, you're not answering this question. You're talking about the lunch break. Ask it, ask again. And I'm not... Mr. John, wait. Ask the question again. Okay.

Mr. Wallace's name was brought up on course of examination by being the stated you made him. On the report that you say were fake, you called Wallet. wallet that's a compound question it is all right you are requiring about whether you made a phone call at the lunch on the lunch break following your beginning your process ten yes sir you understand the question all right during the lunch break no you just go on half the board yes I did and what's the wallet because I mean you guys is just lying lies I have to you can't back it up these guys we can't back it up you can you hear the tape

according to say safe all right stop let's go ask another question I guess we'll see about that right you're on sustained can the court instruct it previously and this is editorialized mr. Lennon is not doing that in his arrest right he's right but I know I wouldn't say I don't really have seen don't get it's seen don't get And you should try his answers aren't. They are not responsive. They are not responsive. Anyway, so you called him because we were presenting fake evidence to you?

Yes or no? I don't know. I don't know, man. There's something. I don't know. Why, as you guys just keep playing fake audio to me, like fake stuff. I never said none of that same. It doesn't even make sense.

It doesn't fit in with this. They're trying to slip it in. Okay, stop. All right, did they answer the question? That's why you pulled while. I mean, you guys are saying I'm cool with him and I got his number and he's making up big lives. That's like, he didn't even answer,

so I don't know what are we talking about? He did not answer. What are you going to say he answered and make up another school for? He's up. The motion to strike is non-responsive. He's more strides. That's the one.

Okay. Yeah, the entire answer is not. Your Honor, our counsel is editorializing the end of case when I'm leased, right? I'm following the evidence vote and say that the defendant's counsel fall over as well, and not anitorialized just to lie. I'm asking things to be straight. It's improperly. You just stop squabbling.

Just stop them. Swallowing. This is in no squabble zone. Now, we mentioned earlier that Efron claimed that the recorded phone calls were fake or had been manipulated. Now, here's the thing. It's our understanding that they were played for the court outside the presence of the jury, and because Ephron denied the veracity, they weren't played for the jury as evidence. But I will say things took a turn when Mr. Sajimi himself was called to the stand by the defense as a surprise witness.

You see, the defense was allowed to call him early, and Sajimi traveled from Paris to L.A. to actually give his testimony. And he confirmed the authenticity of these recordings, making them admissible in court. However, during cross-examination, prosecution grilled them about one. why he would record conversations with a friend without his knowledge. Is there anything about Rale's statements about suing the defendant, trying to get $30 million, is there anything about those statements that you are aware of that changes what actually happened denying the incident? No, I think I'd answer to that. So would you agree that whether or not Rely sues for a dollar,

$20 million, $100 million, $20 billion, that in the end, either the shooting happened or it didn't. Would you agree? Yes. And it's your further testimony, despite all that, you've never had one conversation or asking one question, the defendant, about what actually transpired? Objection, as a statement.

How many calls in total? Did you record? Two. Two calls? Now, you said that you were upset because the idea that Raleigh was coming into court, you said you were offended by his line.

Is that correct? Yes. When you were taping his calls, did you know you were taping? No. Do you think that friends tape other friend's phone calls. Sometimes.

I'm asking you. I'm not asking you physically, I assume, sir, that if somebody wants to record a call, I didn't ask whether it's technically possible. I'm asking you, do you think that a friend records their friend's phone calls when that person doesn't know it? Objection and answer to some... That's not a real objection. It's not a real objection. It's not a question.

speculation. What friends do is irrelevant. Ask another question. You've called Terrell a friend of yours, right? Yes. Do you think that it was being a friend of his to take his

phone calls without his knowledge? Yes. How was that being a friend to Terrell? Sometimes friends do things like that. You mean sometimes friends betray friends

by taking their calls and then calling other people to report what they found? Is that what you mean? That's more than the whole of the trail. So, when is the last time that you had spoken to the defendant prior to immediately calling him after the May 2020 phone call? I didn't talk to him. What's that? I didn't talk to him prior to really calling me.

You talked to it before, so I'm asking the last time. When did the last time I'm dead? I'm not sure. So, as the trial progresses, all eyes are now going to be on the defense. Will ASAP Rocky take the stand? How much weight will the jury give to Ephron's testimony? These are questions that remain to be answered as the trial enters its next phase. And with everything on the line, the stakes have never been higher.

So if Rocky is convicted, he could face several years in prison. You can stream gavel to gavel trial coverage on our long crime YouTube page. But for us right now, that's all we have for you here on Sidebar. And you can check us out and subscribe on YouTube, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Jesse Weber. I'll speak to you next time. Join Wondery Plus in the Wondery app, Apple Podcasts, or Spotify.