Law&Crime Sidebar - 3 Shocking Details Surrounding 12-Year-Old Girl Who Admitted to Stabbing Brother to Death Emerge

Episode Date: June 8, 2023

New details emerged in the case of the 12-year-old Oklahoma girl who allegedly stabbed her 9-year-old brother to death while their mother slept in January. The girl, who remains unnamed by authorities, called the killing “some demonic sh*t.” The Law&Crime Network’s Angenette Levy breaks down three shocking details surrounding the 12-year-old with psychotherapist Dr. Robi Ludwig.LAW&CRIME SIDEBAR PRODUCTION:YouTube Management - Bobby SzokePodcasting - Sam GoldbergWriting & Video Editing - Michael DeiningerGuest Booking - Alyssa Fisher & Diane KayeSocial Media Management - Vanessa Bein & Kiera BronsonSUBSCRIBE TO OUR OTHER PODCASTS:Court JunkieObjectionsThey Walk Among AmericaDevil In The DormThe Disturbing TruthSpeaking FreelyLAW&CRIME NETWORK SOCIAL MEDIA:Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lawandcrime/Twitter: https://twitter.com/LawCrimeNetworkFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/lawandcrimeTwitch: https://www.twitch.tv/lawandcrimenetworkTikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@lawandcrimeSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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I'm Ann Jeanette Levy. Welcome back to Sidebar here on Law and Crime. The name of that 12-year-old girl is not being released because she is a minor. She admitted to stabbing her nine-year-old brother, Zander, to death in January. This happened at the family's home in Tulsa. Sorry, I'm sorry.

I don't know what the fuck is. I'm so... You can kill it me! I'm sorry, please. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I'm sorry. You've got a pretty goddy.

I'm sorry, Mom. I'm so sorry. How old are you? I'm 12 years old. Where's the knife? I was upstairs in my room and I threw it off the window. And he's behind the apartment right here. You threw it where?

He threw it out my window upstairs. Not right there. It was the room. This is the other room. It's right behind the apartment. This apartment right here. So where would the knife be on that side? Behind, right behind. Yes. I'm just a knife. I'm so sorry, Mama. I'm so sorry. I don't know what happens. It's something mommy. I'm so sorry. The girl's mother has said she didn't have any mental health problems and was well behaved. April Leida said her daughter had ADHD but wasn't

on the medication at the time of the stabbing. Now we're learning more from a daily mail.com article. The April Lida, the mother of that 12-year-old girl, has a history of drug abuse, including using methamphetamine. The Daily Mail first reported this information. Lida told the site that she quit using drugs when she found out she was pregnant with her daughter. The girl's father also used drugs and has been in and out of prison, and he also has ties to the Aryan Brotherhood. The Daily Mail also claims her stepfather tortured a cat in 2017 and had alcohol abuse issues. April Lida would not comment when we reached out to her about this, but she told the Daily Mail that she always tried to protect her children from these issues.

Joining me to discuss the latest information about this case is psychotherapist Dr. Robbie Ludwig. She's also the host of the Talking Live podcast. Dr. Ludwig, welcome back to Sidebar. Thanks for coming on. Thanks so much for having me. This case is really sad, really disturbing. Your thoughts on what we see in that body camera video. from your vantage point as a psychotherapist.

This was just so tragic. And watching the footage, it was clear that this 12-year-old girl was devastated by her actions and had no insight at the time as to what happened. She seemed to know what she did, acknowledged that she stabbed her brother, helped the police find the murder weapon. So this is a girl who acknowledged what she did. She was not trying to hide it and had no idea why this happened. So you could feel her pain and the mother's devastation.

It was really unfortunate to watch, very, very, very tragic. We're learning now that her mother has admitted to the Daily Mail.com that she had a history of methamphetamine use. She had used some other illicit drugs. She said that when she became pregnant with her daughter, she stopped using it. we also know that dad has been in prison, stepdad's had some issues too. How could that inform her background when her mother is adamant that she has not had a history of mental health problems? Yeah, well, first of all, sometimes mental health issues don't present themselves until someone is a little older, like 18 or 19. So it is possible she wasn't presenting with any

mental health issues. Of course, there's always the combination of genetics combined with environment. It sounds like there was a lot going on in the household, and it seems according to what I read, she was diagnosed with ADHD, and that was something she was being treated for on and off. So what we see around us, how we manage frustration, how we manage our aggression, certainly is impacted by those that we love and our caretakers. And it sounds like she had two men in her life that were troubled and violent and problematic. So I'm sure that filtered in somewhere in her psyche. But at this point, we really don't have a lot of information we're guessing would be

interesting to hear more information about her background. This is teachers and people in the classroom could be very helpful to give us more insight into this 12-year-old girl in what she was struggling with. And of course, let's keep in mind, 12 is still very young. Very, very young. Zander was 9. We have reached out to April Leida and asked for her to come on the show a couple of times now. Her most recent response to us was yesterday, I'm not interested. There is a gag order in place for everyone RN, meaning right now because of that video. So please don't contact me again. She doesn't want to talk about this anymore. And we understand she's suffered an immeasurable loss in losing Xander. And now her 12 year old daughter is in some form of juvenile detention.

So, Robbie, I mean, I watched that video. What do you think was going on here? She said, saying, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I don't know why I did it and things of that nature, but she took her brother's life and readily admits to it. Yeah. So, I mean, listen, amongst all siblings, there's some degree of sibling rivalry. And they have two different fathers, not to say that that was contributing factor. But we don't know how she experienced her brother. There was a transition going on in the house at the time where her brother was transitioning from a more public school to being homeschooled. I don't know if that was something that was going on in her psyche. If she does have ADHD, certainly symptoms of that can be impulsivity and aggressiveness.

Her mother seems to think or stated that she was put on medication for ADHD. There is a small percentage of people who go on medication and they can become violent and very impulsive and engage in self-harm. So there's just a lot to figure out here. Way more questions than answers. But certainly, you know, I would look into her history of ADHD when she was on the medication, what was going on in the house, because it sounds like a lot was going on. And this girl didn't have any way to process her aggression, her anger, her feeling state. And, you know, this is what happened. It's really unfortunate. I'm very curious to see what they discover. And I hope we learn more because maybe there are things that everyone can learn from.

I think it's important to note, too, that she was not on the ADHD medication at the time that this happened. So hopefully we'll find out some more information about this in the future. Dr. Robbie Ludwig, thank you for your time as always. We appreciate it. Thank you. And that's it for this edition of Law and Crimes Sidebar podcast. You can listen to and download Sidebar on Apple, Spotify, Google, and wherever else you get your podcast. And of course, you can always watch it on Law and Crimes YouTube channel. I'm Anjanette Levy, and we will see you next time. You can binge all episodes of this law and crime series ad free right now on Wondery Plus. Join Wondery Plus in the Wondery app, Apple Podcasts, or Spotify.