Law&Crime Sidebar - 5 Times Suspected Cold-Blooded Killers Got Caught

Episode Date: June 19, 2026

From chilling confessions to exasperating denials, take a look inside the interrogation rooms and bodycam footage of five shocking criminal cases. Law&Crime's Jesse Weber breaks down unforgettable moments where everyday individuals allegedly turned into cold-blooded killers.HOST:Jesse Weber: https://twitter.com/jessecordweberLAW&CRIME SIDEBAR PRODUCTION:YouTube Management - Bobby SzokeVideo Editing - Michael Deininger, Christina O'Shea, Alex Ciccarone, & Jay CruzScript Writing & Producing - Savannah Williamson & Juliana BattagliaGuest Booking - Alyssa Fisher & Diane KayeSocial Media Management - Vanessa BeinSTAY UP-TO-DATE WITH THE LAW&CRIME NETWORK:Watch Law&Crime Network on YouTubeTV: https://bit.ly/3td2e3yWhere To Watch Law&Crime Network: https://bit.ly/3akxLK5Sign Up For Law&Crime's Daily Newsletter: https://bit.ly/LawandCrimeNewsletterRead Fascinating Articles From Law&Crime Network: https://bit.ly/3td2IqoLAW&CRIME NETWORK SOCIAL MEDIA:Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lawandcrimeTwitter: https://twitter.com/LawCrimeNetworkFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/lawandcrimeTwitch: https://www.twitch.tv/lawandcrimenetworkTikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@lawandcrimeSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

I was gonna try to kill the whole family. From chilling confessions. My mom's been in that fiends in a freezer for three weeks, same? Three weeks because I couldn't chop broke like that. The only thing I thought was I'm going to kill everybody in his house because everybody in his house has a reason to die. To exasperating denials. What's the bone disorder?

Is it osteogenesis in perspective? They never gave me a name. Okay. He just says a rare bone disease. Okay. Do you have any reasons for I heard of that? I feel like he's like a second down to me. With the help of body-worn cameras and interrogation tapes, we are breaking down five times.

Mothers, sons, roommates, even complete strangers allegedly turned into cold-blooded killers. Sir, it's weird thinking it sounds like we get everybody out. Welcome to Sidebar, presented by law and crime. I'm Jesse Weber. As we talk about alleged killers getting caught, we're going to begin in New Mexico. where investigators were determined to solve a man's murder, even if it took them years. Officers had first responded to an Albuquerque apartment around 1 p.m. on April 4th, 2023. A man hadn't been able to get a hold of his father, 60-year-old Larry Norseworthy,

so he came over to check on him. Unfortunately, he found his father dead on the bathroom floor. anybody else inside. Responding officers take control of the scene. They try to figure out if this was accidental or what's called an unattended death or a foul play was involved. And that's when they learn that Larry had reported his car stolen, allegedly taken by a young woman who had been living with him named Jasmine Trujillo.

And it turns out that Larry's son had just seen the SUV with a man and a woman inside. But he says they sped off as soon as they saw him. The chick he was with stole his car, or his vehicle. And according to the neighbor downstairs, they just saw her yesterday for a Saturday at the laundromat in the vehicle. By herself. What kind of car is it? It is a Mercury Mountaineer Premier.

What color? White. Did he report it stolen? Yes. When did he report it stolen, you know? Dad, I don't know. And my equal was talking to, I believe, the neighbor down here. Okay.

Like I told her, she saw him, or he saw her, the female in the vehicle. Okay. So, whoa, when, Saturday at the laundromat, just her. You guys look over here, the way he's like, super weird people on this ball, like, quickly in the doorway. I mean, it could absolutely happen, but the chances are few. There is a little bit of blood by his head, and his pockets are out turned like somebody

through it stuff that's what the that's what the name was that person might say yeah so yeah and with the car being missing and the phone being missing it's 31 enough the family was here we'd often check on the grandfather so they came over here the way he's laying in the bathroom he's like flat on his back like if he had collapsed like he wouldn't be his car's apparently stolen by his ex-girlfriend and his phone is pinging somewhere else and his pockets are all outturned like somebody went through his pants there's not any trauma like somebody killed him that it's possible that somebody that he just died and soon came in and took the stuff but it is so where he wants so we're gonna secure at my so yes so officers knock on doors at the

apartment complex trying to figure out if anyone saw anything suspicious thank you yeah I'm worried about it too like I don't know I'm pretty sure you have this car and I know, so I know she had a 9-0-0-liter pistol slid down, she slid right below him. Okay. And she got him from the police really bad, but like, she was looking for his vehicle, I know I heard an argument that I heard of gunshots. I'm not sure exactly, I'm kind of worried. So I was there. You heard gunshots?

Yeah. Out here? I got here. Yeah. What day was that? Oh, it was early, early, early yesterday morning, but three-poc in the morning. It was yesterday. So, it was yesterday.

So, I was in the night before. Yeah, I see him yesterday. We came in him and he gave me a cigarette and that's when I see him now. Yesterday you saw? Yeah, like, early, earlier yesterday. I was like, but like, Babe, what time did we see Larry at?

Babe, when did you go do this, sir? And I thought, what time was it? We found like two o'clock in the morning. He came out of the window. There was a cigarette and he stayed looking for Jasmine and still didn't have seen her over though. Okay, she said Jasmine and Gonzales? Yeah, and she lived directly below him?

She did. And her actually Michael is there. Michael's in jail. And that's her boyfriend. Larry's family says they're able to track his phone. And it's showing up at another location. To track it? Yes.

And so right now it's showing us here. This is. It's showing me here. Yes. And it's showing that his phone is over here. Is there any way we can get somebody to come check because the car is not there. But is there any way we can check if she's in there with his phone? in there with his phone.

I'm sorry. That's like exactly. There we go. Yeah, it's just down south of here. I already drove by. Well, it was ping in there, right? When I was on my way over, that's why I was like, well, I was at home, I'm going to go check on him.

Right. Then whenever I was already here and everything, freaking already called the cops, all that, I opened it up, and then I looked at it and I just pulled it up again. And I was like, what the f***? It's here now. So it shows us right here. Right, right. It's on Pennsylvania.

So we can get his phone. I mean, I'm sure that has more information on there. information on there. Yeah, those other officers, they're looking into the car also, because they were saying, uh, German's telling us that Jasmine took it. That's that name of that girl. Did he actually report it stolen with police? He told his cousin, um, Sunday that he reported it stolen.

Okay. Okay. And then they, and then she called and said, I'm going to jail now because you reported it stolen and all this other stuff. But I know for a fact, like, well, he, he told her, her. Right? And she's the one that came over at my house today. She says, I'm worried about your dad because the last time I talked to him was on Sunday. They were supposed to go yesterday because he didn't have a car so we can go pay his rents and all that other stuff. And she hadn't heard from him. Okay. And he sent me this. He said if something happens to me, it's Jasmine.

Did you give us an email to them down there? I didn't. I gave it to Jeremy from Jeremy. Probably gave it to them. Just write it down just in case. Her name is Jasmine. She'll. And her boyfriend that lived downstairs, he went to jail, and that's why she couldn't go like stay there anymore. So that's why she started staying up here and sleeping with my freaking 60-year-old man. So one of the cops speaks with a supervisor over the phone, letting them know what they have so far. So this 58 is kind of 31.

The guy is like laying in the middle of the floor and his pockets were all turned out. and his phone is missing and peeing at a different 20. And he reported his car stolen and sent a text to his family and said, if anything happens to me, it's this girl. And I was wondering if you guys could drive past the 20 where the phone's peeing and see if you can find the car. So at this point, the family gives investigators a few more details out in the parking lot of the complex. And they're trying to just wrap their heads around the idea of the fact that Larry is dead.

This chick's already broken in and stolen his cards and the victim of that I get out. for like 800 bucks and they kept telling what? I called the bank and his bank in Artigia and they're gonna send me a report. They said the last time was on Saturday, somebody pulled down $500 off of 18 at 11. Okay, and then they still, then he stopped it. He put a reserve or something like that.

And then. But then it was tried a bunch of times. Yeah, they still trying it. On Saturday? Yeah, and say, well. Or did they not tell you like how? They're sending a report. Yeah, okay.

I didn't know if they told you and then said they'd also send it, okay. He was lying there on the ground like this, right, with the damn nebulizer on. Okay. You know what I mean? And like there's no . Well, it was on.

It was, I, once we, once we had seen him. No. No, but you turned off in as a lot. I went in and I saw dad, then I started yelling and grabbed his leg and I shook him. It was stiff as fuck and I, and I, soon as I got it looked at him like, So the only thing that was touched was the nebulizer was turned on.

Okay, just don't know what's... Like I said, I touched his leg and grabbed his leg, right? You know, it was cap, but it was stiff. And then I walked up, but I don't know if I did it just right there to fly. He did it? Okay. The only thing that was touched was the cord. They didn't even touch anything by him, might just unplug it from the wall.

Someone who makes him up there being almost like, like, dragged blood above his head or something like that? Did you say something like that? Um, I saw something on the floor or what it is, um, but I don't see that he's injured anywhere. injured anywhere. So like I said, I can't do anything else until they get here. I can't move him because they have to get their photos first before we change anything in the scene. So unfortunately, we're just in a holding pattern until they get here. So officers on scene radioed in for another squad car to go check out the location where Larry's phone was pinging. But they didn't locate the phone and they didn't locate Larry's car. The SUV was later found abandoned at another location along with

Larry's bank cards. According to family members and neighbors, Trejillo had been living in a different apartment at the complex but got evicted. So with nowhere to go, she apparently turns to Larry for help and he agreed to let her stay with him. You know, a compassionate decision that would have deadly consequences. Porting from the Albuquerque Journal indicates that the medical examiner's office initially ruled this case an unattended death, but then later amended their findings. to homicide due to blunt force trauma to the chest. One of Larry's neighbors provided crucial information to police, claiming that the night before Larry's body was found,

they heard a loud crashing sound and yelling, and then the neighbor reportedly saw two people leaving the apartment. Another witness also came forward to tell police that Trujillo herself had told them that Larry had changed the security codes on his phone, so they were going to have to, quote, beat his bank codes out of him so they could steal his social security payment. Officers then review the surveillance footage. And they were able to identify Trejillo and her boyfriend, Jarrett Chacon. And that surveillance also provided a key piece of evidence. It appeared.

Chaconne was wearing a new pair of tennis shoes that were missing from Larry's apartment. A couple months later, police finally caught up to Trujillo, brought her in for questioning as a person of interest. I'm here to ask you some questions about the relationship with Larry and Norse police. Okay. What that is? He was my neighbor. Why did you come to know that right? Um, I, well, I did, I stayed with him for a little bit than I ended up moving.

Why did you end up staying with him? Because I got kicked out of my apartment because I went for left. Okay. Well, he quite often not often, about from NBC and I was staying in his house. So. Okay. How many of you stayed with Larry? For like two weeks and then I ended up leaving back to Espanella.

Okay. So am I being charged with anything? No, I'm just here that clear some of the things. Oh, okay. So, when's the last few saw there, I am? Um, I had seen him like two weeks before I went to Svesa Zubela. Do you know when that was? No, I don't.

His last thing you talked about it? Um, like, do we use for my chest, you know? You know for no, no. It appears from the interrogation video that Trujillo didn't feel too well and could have been going through drug withdrawal. So she was kind of cagey when the detective questioned her about Larry's death and the items that were missing from his apartment and seemingly tried to push the blame off on her boyfriend. Now, here are some pieces of that interview. So obviously, Larry Fowler reports, same. that you took his vehicle, right?

Yeah. And I did a search form on his phone. He was having communications with you saying, where's my car, turn to my car? And you said, oh, I'll bring it back. I got a little over, I'm going to jail. Like, you had a whole bunch of excuses, but she never brought it back. I did. I ended up.

I ended up outside. Okay. I saw a video that showed that vehicle come back on April 3rd, and it was at like 3.30 in the morning. Okay. And then some of the neighbors, said they heard struggling in Larry's apartment that night. Okay. About 3.30 in the morning.

They heard stop, stop, stop, get off me, that kind of stuff, crashing around. Oh, God. And then some of the neighbors said, they said, you in a mail leaking the apartment. I had I seen him that morning. And then the next day, someone said, when the same mail came back in Larry's bar, took stuff from his apartment, and I left again.

No. The neighbors heard the disturbance on April 3rd, around 3, 4 in the morning. four in the morning, then they said they saw you and this guy leaving wearing Larry's shoes, and the next day they ever was found to see Stan's bath tonight. I don't know anything about that. So what happened that night in the apartment? I don't know. I wasn't in the apartment. Okay.

Because we have several neighbors saying that it was you and whoever that before. No, that was not me. So people were saying there's cars taken, somebody was up in his room, jacking him up. The neighbors saw you in some mail up there. I wasn't up there though. I was up there. I wasn't up there. I mean, who else would he be with Trav and Tyres Park going back to his apartment? Did you give him the Key Silary's apartment away? No. I didn't give him the Key Salaries' apartment or didn't the keys to areas apartment.

Because what I'm seeing right now is a lot of this stuff is going to come back on here and him. I just want to give you the opportunity to give as much information as you can. So how long will it take me to get charged with this? Like what I'm just saying right now it looks like you and you and you, you and you know, you and you know, you and you can't even if you can't do you. You and the student went up to Larry's apartment, dragged him, left, came back, took some of his stuff, left, ran around his car, crashed it, left. It just doesn't look bad. Everybody these days has cameras, you know?

Yeah. You're going to stick with your story or you want to tell me some truth? Um, well, we took his car and stuff. The thing is, he's dead and nobody would be charged him if he was taking his car. So he took his car. Then what? Like I said, Jared dropped me off at his mom's and I don't know what he would have did. How do we know what day it was, that he dropped you off?

I don't remember. It's been so long. Like, I told you, it's been so long. You didn't tell me, he wouldn't tell me stuff. Did you sit and say, yeah, I know this old guy. No. I got his keys. He's got all his stuff.

No. Because you had access to letters apartment to him. I didn't have various keys, but that's what I'm telling you. I didn't have various keys. When did you return his keys to him before? I tried returning his keys to him on the second. Larry made it look like Hillary passed away naturally. But everything else in the apartment was extremely suspicious.

There's a lot of things that I can't tell you, because they're just giveaways, but it was a poorly done job. You know, it's, somebody could walk in there saying, oh, this guy's dead. This is not a natural death. Somebody killed him and covered it up to look like a natural death. That's what it is. So. Were you going to be charged with anything now?

Not today, not this moment. I mean, everything here. hearing this would like you and took some dude up to the other department together that's what it looks like i mean it was i just figured if you knew you would tell me because that's a serious thing and nobody wants to have the rest of freedom taken away because of that situation there's any chance for using drugs and don't remember this you could have you any of zonis and taking you up there without you remember i knocked out on zanis i don't remember There had been a lot of questions about whether Larry and Trujillo were in some sort of sexual relationship, but Trujillo says they were just friends. Did you have a sexual relationship?

No. We're just friends. Did you have any reason to want to hurt Larry? No. He was like a second down to me. Because why? He was like a second dad to me. Yeah, he felt like he was helping you on and protecting you.

Plus, you probably catching the company too. And it's probably good for both you guys. So Trujillo's allowed to leave, but then a year later, she's back in custody in another part of the state. She tells the Albuquerque investigators who come to question her that she's gotten clean and she looks much different than she did during her first interview. But she wants to know if she's being charged with something. So this is where the detective lays it out. Yeah. Yeah.

Somebody told me you were doing really well. The officer that resident called me and said I mentioned to speak with her. She went to rehab, she's working, and said she might be interested in talking to you to clear things out on your side of these things since you're receiving some charges. So I wanted to give you the opportunity to speak with us and talk to us about the situation, anything that you want to share, anything that you know, just to clear things up on our end so we can move forward. Okay, so what's going on? Am I being charged with something right now? Yeah, right now you have a charge of murder.

Is it conspiracy? Murder and conspiracy. Okay. So like what happens if I had you talked to you guys with all my lawyer? What do you mean? It's up to you. I wanted to give you a chance to speak with us and we can ask you some questions. You can ask us some questions.

If we proceed though, I do have to advise you from remember rights since you're in jail and we're not free to leave at this point. But any information that you do give us today, it'll be something that we can add at the end of the end of the end of the question. that we can add in the investigation and look into. Obviously, well, he's been investigating this for a while, but one thing we don't know is your perspective on it, and that's why we go here today. You want to talk to you about that.

Has Jared been caught? Is he discharged with anything? Yep. Yes, and that's stuff we can discuss with you. It's up to you. I just would like your version of events at your side of the story. I didn't do nothing.

We'll tell you why don't we just go through the Miranda rights? I'm sure you've heard with the quarry. We'll go through each one, make sure you understand it. And then whatever you want to share with us, we can have a conversation about that. And like the officer told me this morning, he arrested you last night. He said you're cooperative, he said you're extremely upset. You feel like you're doing better. Your life's on track.

You don't want to get a sidetracked with some other kind of stuff. And you want to share what you know to try to clear the words and help figure things out. After they read her, the Miranda writes, Trujia wants to know if Chacon is in trouble too. So I have a question. Is it conspiracy because I was with a person that committed a crime? Or what is it? It's going to be you guys possibly discussing a plan or having an idea and then acting on those ideas to commit certain incidents. But I'm not being charged with actually. I'm with somebody that didn't.

That's how I don't understand. At this point, you guys both have the same charges. At this point, Jacone was still on the wind, but a warrant was out for his arrest, and the detective asked about her relationship with him at this point in time. So you dated him? Yeah. How long did you guys date into her? Really?

Two months? It was very abusive. Yeah, I remember you saying that. So you guys dated for about two months? Did you stay with him at his mom's place? Yeah. Did you get along with him, okay? Sometimes when I didn't have money, they keep him.

I tried to leave him on a couple of times and he tried to kill me. But when Trujillo talks about Larry, she remembers him fondly. I love Larry like a dad. He didn't hurt him. I would have him and nobody else would. So you love Larry? He was like my dad. I never heard him.

He took me him and nobody else would. So you got a victim. and started hanging with Larry. Yeah. How much did you stay with Larry? For a month. About a month? Yeah.

How was your guys' relationship? Good. It was like I said, it was like a dad. He took care of me. We'd make each other dinner. We were watching this show with Dexter. Okay. Vince watched it, and then we'd been to watch the American Horror Stories.

It's not a lot of time together? Yeah. Was Jared friends with Larry? No. Did he know Larry? No. Larry had met me his car and I'm not going to be sure you know about that. I took a while to come back.

I was afraid to tell that Jared had the car, well, took the car away from me when I give it back. Trujillo is hesitant about speaking with the detective without a lawyer present, but crucially, she never specifically requests one. And how did this incident come about? I don't know if she talked to him or without my lawyer. I don't know about to talk without my lawyer. I just want to get my name clear because I can't do anything. I have a good job and stuff.

I'm doing good. Where are you working at now? Taco Bell. I know it's wanting to get him to see my kids. I just don't want to be in trouble. I didn't do anything. Where are your kids that are you going to school? Yeah.

My mom has custody of them. How many for? Yes. Have you seen Jared since you made threats to you about keeping quiet? Did he say don't talk about this or I'll kill you or I'm going to kill you so you don't talk about this. He said he was going to kill me. The day, thank God I got arrested that day. I had just bought a bike cause with my friend and my friend left me real quick. I'd go and get somebody at this home shop and Jared snuck up on me and he went to go my bike

He was talking that I, that he could give me my back outside and give me my back back. He said, leave me alone. And he's all, I'll give you your bike back and you go with me down to my house. You'll get it back over there. And I told my mom, I'm not, if I go with you over there, I'm not going to make it out. And I was a cop passing by arguing. And I said, I'm going to screw if you don't let go. And he let go, my wife and took off.

At one point, the detective confronts Trujillo with the fact that Chaconne was seen wearing shoes that were missing from Larry's place. So the first time he spoke was at MDC and I showed you a picture and you said that's Gerrish coming. And in the picture, Jared was standing outside of Larry's vehicle after it was reported stolen in his wearing a pair of white high top, homeless sneakers that Larry's family said belonged to Larry. Do you know how we got those sneakers? No, because I have, I bought the same pair out. At Ross, I had the same pair at home.

Did you and Larry buy them together? No, I had my pair wait before. You had a pair of pumice and Harry also had a pair of pumice? Yeah. Um, when he was always going to the store and stealing. He was stealing from Ross and he had needed to go still shoes. So I don't know about that. And that was one of the first things that made me think that Jared was involved

because his family said, he found Larry, he was deceased. He looked through his apartment, his shoes are gone, and then here's a picture of this guy with his car into shoes. And he got those had to have been in his shoes then, if they weren't there. Did you see him take him or not? I thought I remember. I was just scared. Can you think of anything else that you might have taken from that apartment, other than the vehicle?

I can't remember. I'm scared, and I don't know if I should continue to talk to you guys and stop my lawyer. And if you didn't do it, you know, you'd be able to. know who did. No, Jared. Do you think 100% that Jared's responsible for that? Yes, he's responsible for it. Jared killed Larry. Yes. What's Jared in the same when we have? I find him. No idea.

So I don't know him. I haven't spoken with him before. I'm just wondering is he the kind of guy? Is he going to blame on you? Probably. Is he going to be a tough guy and tell me everything? Is he going to not talk to me at all? He might not talk to you. But the car, he did blame you for taking the car. He blamed you for taking the car? The car that I got arrested on.

Oh, he was in that took care. Yeah. But you said he might blame him killing Larry on you? Yeah, well, he blamed the car. He might not talk to you guys. But the car he stole, he said it was all me. And I didn't take the car. He took it.

That was evidence. And being there, right? I just want to know, is it? Can you guys tell me that? I'm telling you both of you. Come talk to you, get your perspective. give your perspective. Okay. It's not just a coincidence that we're here, right? Yeah, no. I just wanted to know. And he's being charged with the same thing I'm being charged with? We're going to step out. I'll ask her if I can leave a

car with her with you. Okay. And you allow her information to contact us when we need to. Okay. Trejillo ended up entering a guilty plea to second degree murder, conspiracy to commit murder, aggravated burglary and conspiracy to commit aggravated burglary. This is according to New Mexico court records and she was sentenced to 25 years in prison. As for Chaconi was arrested for a separate crime in 2025 actually just blocks away from the apartment where he allegedly killed Larry during a robbery gone wrong. He was indicted on the same charges as Trejillo but with an added charge of tampering with evidence. Now his case expected to go to trial later this year. Our next case comes from Ohio and police didn't have to hunt down this murder suspect. He came right up to

their patrol car and confessed. January 13th, 2023, out in Cleveland, a man named Martin Eunice approaches a patrol car and tells the officers inside that he just shot five people in the head and they're all members of his own family. I'm serious. I'm not crazy. And you could go to the address and verify the address is but I want you to handcuff me first. All right, let me pull up really quick. You put us out there, clear us off of this assignment, no cause. And put us out at 4-4 on Clark with a mail. We approached our vehicle and said that he just did something bad.

And he's going to give us an address on Matt court as to what he did and where it's at. He said that he killed five people. First responders, they rushed to the home, and they are horrified, defined. this wasn't a sick joke. Three of the victims were pronounced dead at the scene. 16-year-old, Jaden Baez, 35-year-old Angelique Gonzalez, and 70-year-old Miguel Gonzalez. The other two victims, 48-year-old Anthony Booth and his eight-year-old daughter, were taken to a hospital, but Booth died from his injuries. His young daughter miraculously survived, but just imagine the trauma that she's going to likely have to deal with for years to come.

Horrible crime. Now, authorities confirmed that Angelique was Munez's sister. and Miguel was his uncle, Anthony was his brother-in-law, and 16-year-old Jaden was his nephew. So officers put him in an interrogation room where he sat quietly before eventually putting his head down on the table. And within moments of the interrogators reading him as Miranda rights, he confessed to killing his sister's family. He claims he was disrespected. Mr. Hune is Detective Shultz and I, Chuck and I, were really not too. up to speed on what all is taking place here to see me? Well, I tried to kill my sister's whole family,

but two of them got lucky and lived. Two of them got lucky and lived? The other three didn't. What proud did that? Just the way people treat me. Okay. You know, I came home from prison. I didn't bother nobody.

I tried to get a job. They're gonna tell you when they scramble through my tablet. I was on deed. I did job interviews. I went to captives. churches just couldn't get a job and then they make food but they eat it all so by the time I get to it there's nothing to eat and all they tell me is that's my business okay so I let that go on for months you know I got blisters on my feet from walking 11 miles trying to get a job but you guys

got two cars and you can't drive me sure so I killed them so how long have you been living at the house on that couple months couple months and again I don't know anything about your history Mr. Meunis, how long have you been out of person? Four years. Four years? Okay. Have you been staying at your sisters the whole time? No, I've been to Texas, I've been to Jersey, I've been to Illinois, here.

So, Mr. Minus, can you walk us through the events of this evening, how it transpired? No, I came upstairs to eat, and I asked my sister's dad, Dad, no, I'm lying. I asked Jaden, her son. I said, yo, where is the rest of the food at? He said, no, it's gone. I'm like, what you mean is gone? I didn't even eat yet.

So he was like, well, I don't know what to tell you. So I said, okay, well, where's my sister at? So I asked my sister, I said, where's the food at? She said, I don't know. Why are you asking me? I said, yo, I didn't eat. We're going to have a problem. Nobody said nothing.

Youez gives the detectives a graphic and disturbing account of how he shot his family members, and it is tough to listen to. So do you recall who all was in the house? Well, I know I walked into my sister's room, and I shot Tom first. You say tone? Yeah. Anthony. Is that the 16-year-old? No, that's the back dude.

I shot him first. The boyfriend? My sister's husband. Okay. And then my sister looked at me and put her hands up and I shot it. Then I walked out the room and my niece told me how you doing and I didn't want to shoot her. I didn't want her to die. So I didn't shoot her in the head.

The boy I shot in the head. Then I went upstairs and I shot him in the face. Who? Angel. And then I came back downstairs and I walked back in my sister's room and I shot Toll again. And then I went next to my sister and I put a bullet in the back of her head. Now, your niece, was she shot at all? Yeah, I shot her but I didn't want her to die.

She's harmless, just... I wouldn't kill her son either, so I didn't shoot her in her face. I let them live because she was my sister for as long as they was living or she would have been dead And I kept telling them to stop messing with me just leave me alone. I'm gonna get a job. It's just taking me longer than most people So I went to the basement and I said damn, I'm getting tired of this shit I couldn't sleep and that's all I thought about man just get rid of them And today they came home my sister ordered cleaning supplies Delivered to the house so I cleaned the house

up and then she came home and they made chicken and macaroni and matt potatoes so I'm like all right cool so I went downstairs in a basement I'm on my bed feet hurt because I got blisters on my feet so I was laying down for a while being my head I'm gonna go upstairs and eat later and I went upstairs I don't see no food nowhere my man what the At one point, Muniz suggested that his brother-in-law had been molesting Munoz his niece, so the man's own daughter. You know, I went in the room, his head is under the blanket. He got his hand on his . What the f*** could you possibly be doing?

Why are you under the blanket? With the door closed and all the cameras are pointing a different direction so they can't see if she comes in and around his room. What are you doing? Your justification is that's my daughter. What the fuck I got to do with anything? Do your daughter's shall be under the blanket with you. She's eight years old. Give her a hug, a kiss, and tell her get the shit out.

You don't be hugged up with her because your wife is not home. And then you sleep with her on the couch and your wife sleeps in the room. Who does that? So he had to go. So what I'm telling you is there's a reason behind everything. everything. Again, people are going to call me crazy and every other name under the book and that's fine. That's fine. I did what somebody else needed to do and they wouldn't. That's what I did. And I'm not going to pull back from it. If I could do it again, I'd do it again.

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It is the middle of the night, and dispatchers have gotten a terrifying call. A little girl has just been stabbed inside a home. Sounds like the daughter is injured as well. Passable, possibly from a knife, male's injured as well. 8.069, correct? That's correct. It's been around it outside at all. 8.69 down here.

What Ken County deputies saw when they got inside that home is redacted. It's just far too graphic to show. But we did learn details about what happened from court documents. A home security camera showed a man walking into the house, taking off his shoes, socks, pants, he then roams around in his t-shirt and underwear before grabbing a kitchen knife and heading up the stairs. That's where he found the girl having a sleepover with a friend. Did you guys find a point of entry at all? Any broken glass? I think he came in just through the front. Is there like signs of forest entry? No, and the only thing I can see is just like

muddied up, but it's dusty, so it doesn't look like it uses, so when I say it's something WZZM-13 reported that the man later identified as Marine Corps recruiter Ricardo Perez Castillo took off his underwear, climbed on top of one of the girls, and allegedly started to stab her. Both teens apparently start screaming, which made Castillo reportedly stop. The dad runs into the room and holds Castillo. This is the allegation, holds him at gunpoint until deputies could get there. We want to check your level of intoxication. Okay.

You want to take on PBT? Yes. Okay. So with the PBT, I just need to take a deep breath like you're going to fill a giant balloon and you're just going to keep blowing until you tell you to stop. Okay. Does that make sense? All right, go ahead and take a deep breath and blow when you're ready.

Keep going, keep going, keep going. All right, perfect. Thank you. Can you tell me how long are we going to see? As deputies speak with Castillo, he seemingly acknowledges that his career as a canvas recruiter for the Marines is over. Just have one question, sir, what's the process? Like I said, we wanted, I want to take care of this now before it gets too late.

I know I'm probably wanting to go home here soon, but we'll take care of this, we'll get this wrapped up and then I'll have a sit down conversation with you. We're just going to talk, have a cordial conversation about tonight's events, all right? And then I can walk it through the process from there, okay? Okay, so first off what I'm going to do is take general photographs of you, and then we're going to take more specific photographs here. See some more blood on your leg there. Are you injured anywhere?

No. Okay. So when I take these pictures, I'll probably be lift up your shirt so that we can see how you are. Injuries. Local swab in your mouth. Understand? Yes, sir. A forensic exam is done, and deputies read Castillo is rights.

Then they get right to it. How the heck did he get there? The rooms, like I walked upstairs. I saw, I think it was the parents' rooms. I saw them. Towards, like, the lady, I don't know her name. To be honest, I don't know the family. That's when I started screaming for a single second,

but it was already done. So I dropped it and lost conscience of that until, like, I was arrested. I remember a single second of it, but I kind of like the lost conscience room, like the moment that I did what I did. until I justify my actions because those are my actions and I know I don't know if I actually killed them and if I did the rest of my life and if I didn't like if she didn't die I still like

their life up and I'm still going to live with a for the rest of my life I'm not going to justify that I'm innocent because I know I'm not. So what I'm going to do is pay whatever I need to do, whatever census I need to do. I'm just being honest with you, sir. It's not a, it's not a mistake, to be honest. This is not like something that I can just say that I can justify. So I don't care like if there's a court,

I don't care like if there's like the whole process. I'm going to do whatever I need to do. because there's never it doesn't matter how much work I'm going to be doing for the rest of my life. It's never going to justify what the fuck I did. During the interrogation, Castillo admits that the attack was random.

He just picked a house. And his plans went far beyond just hurting one person. Again, I'll warn you, what he has to say is incredibly disturbing. The reason why, because in my head, that was going to be like the easy way to kill her.

That was it. Okay. No specific reason. Like, so to be honest, my, at the moment of the incident, I was trying to, and probably, I was going to try to kill the whole f*** family. I am not going to explain the reason why, because in my head, like, it was just, to be honest, I don't, you know. It just made sense to you at that time. It's, yes. I'm not saying like it no, it didn't even make sense, to be honest.

Like it just, I wanted to kill the whole family. But I wanted to start with that person. And once I realized what the fuck I done, then I just thought. That was it. Why I choose her as the first person. It was just maybe she might have been the weakest. Because I didn't even see like around like who there was somebody. else and maybe like if I would have known there was a

I probably never would have done that but I did it there's really like not just to say it but I didn't know that normally there's supposed to be like a lawyer or maybe like somebody else like listening to me confirming that I'm guilty but I know there's the weapon was in my hand I was and I'm willing to pay any repercussions that it has to do. They're happy. Where is the rest of your clothing at?

I drive my pants and it was, it should have been in the room that it was just jeans. With a bell. Blue jeans? Yes sir. With a belt? What color belt? It was brown like it just leather. Also with the pants.

What color are those? What type of like? The reason for those not being with you today? To be honest, nowadays is... Now, this is not only like it was one of the, I was trying to sleep with her. I'm not going to fucking bullshit that answer or anything like it. That was probably going to like what's going on in my head. So Castillo was charged with multiple felonies, including assault with intent to murder,

first degree home invasion, assault with intent to commit criminal sexual conduct, and carrying a weapon with unlawful intent. He was held on a $2 million bond, but the case never made it to trial. In October of 2025, Castillo pleaded no contest to three of the charges, assault with intent to murder, home invasion, and criminal sexual conduct. During sentencing, prosecutors read a statement on behalf of the then 11-year-old victim. I remember feeling a lot of burning pain and stinging pain. After the hospital, I remember my wounds aching for a long time. I remember feeling warm running down my body from the blood.

I remember the smell of it. I can still feel the sting of the pain. This crime left me shook, frightened, horrified for my life and afraid. And when it came time for Castillo to give his own statement, he got down on his knees to beg for forgiveness. It took me some time to write down something, find a wards. But to be honest, I wanted to come from God. When I was incarcerated, there were so many feelings, so much remorse, just I couldn't explain it.

And sometimes I still can't explain it. I'm not trying to justify myself. I just want to ask for forgiveness, man. Yes. I would want to look at you, but I would like to ask for forgiveness for the families. So if you don't mind. I know I'm disservice. I can't imagine all the nightmares.

I can't imagine anything that you have felt for the past 15 months. I'm sorry. I'm truly from the bottom of my heart. I was a lost person. I have found God. You realize how much, how much I'm truly and lost. I am for forgetting. All of you.

for both families for the whole community of Rockford. I ask for forgiveness. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. The judge sentenced Castillo to spend at least 18 years in prison with a max of 40 years. If he does end up getting released on parole or after his sentence, he'll be on the sex offender registry for life. Our next case hails from Daytona Beach, Florida. And it involves claims that a mother starved her son so badly, the teenager weighed less than

35 pounds. On the first day of 2024, officers rushed to an apartment complex for a teenager who was unresponsive. EMS is already on the scene. How old? They said 14. One said 14. 14? 14. 14? 14. 14. 14. 14. 14. 14. 14. She's like 14 years old. 14 years old. Yeah, we got it. It looks like she's like 6. The confusion over the boy's age makes sense.

Even though he's confirmed to be 14, he's extremely thin, dehydrated, malnourish. The boy who should be experiencing things like growth spurts just like any other teenager. instead weighed about the same as a child in preschool or kindergarten. So his mom, Talia Nelson, said that he suffered from a rare disease as well as an eating disorder. What happened before we got to this point? He was fine. He's autistic. He has a rare bone disease. Is he enough at the parking? I'm not sure. I just got to know.

No, it's just me. It's just you get me and my... How did you come to find him? When I went, they were taking his dinner. Okay. And he was laying there. How long had it been since you saw him up and moving and talking? About two hours.

Yeah, he's autistic, he has a rare bone disease, he's short in stature, and he has ADHD. Okay. No other health issues other than the bone disorder? Food allergies. Did he eat anything that he's not, he's not supposed to? that he's not supposed to, anything he's allergic to? As far as to the allergicness, it just hurts his stomach a little bit. Nothing that he has like anaphylactic shock or anything over.

Okay. All right. What was he doing when you saw him two hours ago? He was up, just chilling. Like watching TV? Yeah, watching TV. Yeah. Okay.

He wasn't acting funny or anything like that? No, he said he just started about a day ago. saying his leg certain so I was going to make him appointment. Okay. Okay. But other than that, you know. What's the bone disorder? Is it osteogenesis imperfective?

They never gave me a name. Okay. They just said it's a rare bone disease. Okay. Has this ever happened before? No. No. Yes.

Autistic? Yeah, very, very small because of the... Rare bone. The bone disorder. He looked like, in the ambulance, he looked like he was six. Okay. But he's, what, 14? Yeah.

Okay. Any medical concerns in the patient? in the past or is this the first time? No, well, when we first found out about the rare bone disorder, he was going to a lot of doctors in Orlando and stuff like that, but his pediatrician said he's healthy, he was fine. So were authorities dealing with a severe medical emergency or something much more sinister?

As officers investigate, they keep a very close eye on Nelson. So if this ends up just being medical, we don't know that yet, so we have to secure it as a thing. so on, brother. Right now it's just preemptive in case it ends up being a crime scene and something suspicious. Just to make sure nothing gets tampered with, you know, we'll at some point go look at the room, make sure he didn't leave a note, make sure we don't find something that he maybe got into, that he ate, that he's not supposed to, something like that, you know, empty pill bottle, whatever the case may be. You know, that's why I was asking her. He hasn't made any,

Hasn't made any comments about being suicidal, not one to live anymore, anything like that. You know, with his age and him being basically frail at 14. So, but I mean right now we're just waiting, basically. So, did you get mom's info? I did. I already put hers and his in the call. Okay. Awesome. According to an incident report, Nelson claimed she was cooking food for her son, when she found him laying on the floor unresponsive.

The report also says, quote, it should be noted, the condition of the apartment. There was a food plate made and left on the counter. The apartment is three bedrooms with only two beds. Trevon advised that redacted sometimes sleeps in the bed with him. The room had a strong odor of urine and feces. By the way, Trevon is Nelson's 18-year-old son. He apparently told officers that the only food his mom didn't allow his 14-year-old brother to eat was food he was allergic to. Now, here's where everything changes.

This malnourished team was pronounced dead at the hospital, and his remains were sent to the medical examiner's office for an official autopsy. You don't have to come to an hospital, okay? I want to go talk to our assortment. What? No, except. Really? Listen, we don't.

Really? Uh-uh. Okay. Can you go talk with our victim's advocate real quick? I just want to talk with her. All right. And I'm going to come talk to you. You need to worry about it.

All right, later. I got to go. They're talking to me. Ms. Smith. Ms. Smith. So. Nelson. Oh, I'm sorry.

It's okay. Ms. Nelson. So normally what we do, you know, in something like this, what we want to do is go and take photographs of the apartment and make sure everything is okay. Would you give us consent to go in and just photograph your apartment. And we're not going to take anything out of it.

We just want to go in to take photographs. Are you good with that? Okay, so what this officer is going to do is he's, I know you're shaking your head, yes, that you agree. But you'll just have to. Oh, sign something. Yeah, I'll have to get your phone. And then I'll talk to your sister,

and we're still waiting for the Emmy. As officers continued investigating, they discovered that the last time Nelson had taken her son to see a doctor who was in 2020, almost four years before his death, which was ruled the homicide, by the way. And officers showed up at Nelson's job to arrest her. Here we're going to talk the room here. Okay.

Do you have any property or anything with you? Yeah. Can you go grab that? I'm not right. Sorry. Where is she going? So, we're going. So, as because you have the right to remain silent,

anything you say maybe you use this evidence against you, you have the right to talk to an attorney and have him or her with you now, or at any time during questioning. If you cannot afford an attorney, one will be appointed to represent you if at any time you would stop talking or have an attorney present all questioning will be stopped at your request you understand these rights these rights of mine are you willing to talk okay is that okay no she's not talking to anybody right now but you can tell him that she's going to Volusia County

branch trail my mother I'm just she'll be at Volusia County Branchdale they just said they won't talk Talia T-A-L-A-L-A-L-S-O-N-S-O-N N-S-O-N-S-E-S-N. Is that the system what you know? warrant I don't know you want to go to teletyping caller put her in you guys want she's already ran your hand in the call not yet but she's ran it I link the original so you'll be able to just pull that off I had a warrant you have a warrant yes for your rest for what we'll explain that in a minute you

don't have any idea no no I'm gonna grab some gloves since you're back yeah your name tag off because it's a button Do you have anything in your pockets? Oh, yeah, my cigarette, my phone. Oh, pocket. You in? Otherwise, she's got her warrant sent to, uh... Rules this causes to have complications of neglected abuse.

Rule that thing she ruled it all homicide. Nelson was charged with first degree felony murder, aggravated manslaughter of a child and aggravated child abuse. She entered no contest, please, to aggravated manslaughter and aggravated abuse. and she was sentenced in the end to 32 years in prison in January of 2026. For our final body cam and interrogation today, we're going back to Albuquerque, New Mexico. This one, it all started out as a welfare check. Woman had reported that her aunt, 69-year-old Ernestina Lucero, hadn't been seen or heard from in weeks,

something that Ernestina's neighbors confirmed. Do you all know the lady that lives here? I know that... There's a dude living there. Ler's a D. Leroy? I don't know his name. But he lived with an old lady.

Yeah. Bless him, so. Well, I know about, like, two, three weeks ago, um... Hold on maybe two, three weeks ago, after a visit that she took me to, I haven't seen her since. She took you? Yeah, she used to.

Me and her, we would go to the food bank together at the road at the Presbyterian Church. Sharnestina? Yeah, we would take her, she would take us in her little charger because my car got towed from the TNC management. They didn't want it here anymore because it wasn't registered. Okay. So she ended up taking us back to forth after like a few times, I didn't see her again. I've seen this lady come high with a red truck.

A couple times asking if we've seen the local. lady in a firm of two. But we haven't seen her in a while. According to an incident report, Ernestina's son, Leroy Valleos, was staying in his mom's home. He allegedly told family members that he hadn't seen his mom in two weeks after she left with a boyfriend. Her family said they didn't know anything about that. She left and kept coming over asking my husband if he wanted to hang out. This is my husband.

He kept asking him if he wanted to hang out and that he was only since his mom. We had asked him, like, where did she go? And he's like, she went to Mexico. He was saying a bunch of things about her leaving to Mexico with her boyfriend, and that they were on a speaking basis right now. And then a couple days later, he came in Knox and he's like, hey, by any chance, do you want to buy my car?

I'm trying to make money for rent. That's what he said. How long ago was that? Like a week? Like two weeks ago. You haven't seen her in a couple weeks? Yeah, I haven't seen her in a night. since she took you a long.

I know my brother asked him like, where are your mom at? Because we haven't seen her in a while, and he, like, stuttered and he just went silent. Neighbors also revealed that they heard the mother and son fighting before Ernestina supposedly left from Mexico. When they go to check out the apartment, he's there. Lee Roy, you need to come out, man. We're not going to go away. Just come out and talk to us for a sec. Come on, man.

Yeah, come on. He's coming to the front door open up. Sorry, man. I'm gonna'am. No, I'm gonna step in and talk to you real quick? Yeah, yeah, no problem. Can I step in and talk to you? Oh yeah, yeah, come in and I'll see.

Yeah, they bite, I mean, they bark, they don't bite, man. Okay. Yeah, can I shut the door, so they don't run out? My partner's coming in too. Okay. Yeah, but yeah, man, I was a tree with the sleep, y'all. Banging on the door, my bad. I was sleepy, dude.

Okay. It's been rough two weeks, man. Sorry about that. What's been going on? I'm a mom's missing, man, but call. man with college work I've been overstressed tired you know what I mean break through 36 to just trying to get some rest man okay exhausted from worrying you know what I mean how long is you how long

like 15 or something 15 yeah maybe around that time you know it's been a while September no no or about to this month yeah it's been a few weeks Where's her room at? It's over here, boss. Okay. Yeah, you come in and look around. I don't know it was you guys, man. I would have jumped up to see how much I said.

You're all right. Yeah, you're all right. Look around, go ahead. In an absolutely chilling moment, an officer discovered that Ernestina had never left the home. home. In a large chest in a large chest the officer finds what looks to be human remains inside plastic bags and hidden underneath frozen food. What would you mean like the first week?

We got third 15 to 17? What's up, Boston? Let's step outside. Go and put your in the back. Right. She's in the freezing. I know. Hey, man.

Be quiet. I know it's a fredger, you know. Sir, sir. Sir, is there supervisor? Uh, in a... Uh, in a... All sippy costume. No, I was fine, man. I was just 20 down to my ground.

I'm not going to be a lot. No way of you. I'm not going to rope me guys, man. Do you have any weapons on you? No. As this guy is arrested, his biggest concern seems to be for his dogs. Hey, we take the dogs in peace, sir? So they don't stay out here?

Hey, could you let my dogs in, sir? No. Can they come up one? Can I take, can they follow me in? I'll come right back. You can pull them? You can pull them? No, no.

Right now, we're... No. Stop, he just... Okay. I'm being real fast for you, man. There's a story about it. You know what I'm saying, man. I'm thinking you, dude.

The officers put him in an interrogation room, and he starts to open up. You know, there's a little story there. I'm not going to tell him what it is. I mean, I don't care anyways, but... Oh, I care deeply about it. I know you care for the story, but not about the stuff I went through to get there, but... Well, that's part of the story, isn't it? That's the point, man.

Why don't you tell me about the stuff you went to? I really, really care for those dogs, man, and my mom, but she just... I just...I wish I wanted to snap it. I dealt with it for years and years and years and years. I should just sucked it up again. But I didn't, man. You know, back me into a corner and I... I'm sort of just thought, man, because I'm brighter than that.

What backed you into the corner? What were you dealing with, brother? A lot of sh**, man. Can you tell me something in particular? A lot of sh** is supposed to love you, right? It's supposed to be your mom, you know? Mm-hmm. I went for years and years trying to please her, trying to make her happy.

I begged, I pleaded. I did everything before that. that. I see what I got for it. I pray and I pray for years. And he launches into a bizarre story that involves Satan, witches and people in his family, quote, giving their lives to darkness, including his mom. You know, what happened to me and I still don't believe it, bro.

I still can't make sense of it. Most of its lies anyways, you never get them to admit the truth. You know what I mean? Who's lying? I don't know, man. I don't know who they are, what they are. What the... I don't know what the...

I don't know what the... They are, man. Witches. I don't know what you call them. People who are giving their life to darkness, you know? My family... I come from a family of witches, my grandma, my aunts, my mom. It's not something you talk about, really.

It's a secret. You can't talk about it. From what I own, I don't know how hard. but I got drug right in the middle of that shit. I got out of prison, man. About nine years ago, I didn't believe in God and the devil. I didn't give a shit.

About either one of them. I thought God was somebody to tell them to make you do better, and the devil was someone they blamed when they couldn't man up to their own shit. You know what I mean? Yeah. They're real, eh?

Real like me and you. I don't know if I was promised, or... I've heard someone who's... eyes dude. I don't know what's the truth no more. All they do is lie. What I mean? The people, it sucks, bro. It sucks, man. You know, no one's had to deal with this. There's no book on how to deal with it. When you say you were promised, what does that mean? Well, I know, promise to Satan.

Like, by family? My mom, yeah. How did, how did you find out about that? It's just shit you gotta learn from other witches, you know, that ain't into it and you got to talk to a mask on questions. You know, and then you're still just guessing, really, because... Then, as he eats a sandwich and fries from Chick-fil-A, he goes into gruesome detail about how he allegedly killed his mom. My mom's been in that f***er in three weeks, eh? Three weeks because I couldn't chop her up like that. You know what I mean?

I tried. You saw that. I got sick and started. What'd you do to her before that? Strangled her, eh? She woke up talking some shit about this and that, this and that. Lies, dude. Straight lies all the time.

I'm stupid. Like, I don't know any better, you know? I took a put up with all that shit because I loved her in. I prayed and I wanted it to change. The next day, you know, the neighbors, they live in the first apartment. There's like five home.

all youngsters, eh? Uh-huh. Caught them out there for Rist green saying some shit, eh? Already tried to set me up for the next fall. You know, they try to give me for a minute, bro. I can't walk the line, eh? I gotta do all my fucking time and lock up by myself.

The rest of my life, I'm gonna sit in this by myself, eh? Unless you guys give me the death penalty. What did your mom say? What kind of lies was she telling you? That means the strength of her? What's the . What's her? No one is after you, I'd never get no one after you.

You know how she admits it, but she had? Say that again, I'm sorry, did it something after you? You know how I told you she admitted it they got these guys after me? Right, yeah, yeah. After that, she started saying she'd never do that, that she never had whatever got nobody after. She's low-it. It's all b-b-b-ha-ha-man. So she was telling you like I wouldn't send people after you.

Man, she was already working on the on number one. I thought maybe she's just a wish, you know, she did some, some shit. Because she told a couple of dudes that I beat her. I've never ever done nothing to them. What I've done now? Never, eh? It's never cropping mine. I was, I hate lying, dude.

I despise it. I load it because that's all they do to me. It was fucking exhausting me to tell. those lies for these three weeks, you know. I just want to come clean. If I didn't have those dogs that I cared about so much, I would have laid away right away. I'm going to do hate lying.

That's why I'm talking about true, because I'm alive, bro. You said, too, I lied for those three weeks to buy freedom to be like hazy this thing. So about three weeks ago this happened? I don't remember. Yeah. Um, did you, uh, what'd you used to strangle her? My arm. Like that.

What's the arm? I don't remember. Okay. This one. How long did you hold her? Wow, it took a long time, man. It's not like a ding. Took a long time? How can he hold her so long?

Huh? Why did you hold her so long? Why do you ask questions? Like, you know why? It's a killer, right? You kind of made that decision that I had to stop? She was stopping. I begged and I paid with her for 17 years yet. It was 17 years and we killed her boyfriend.

13 years ago that happened? No, 13 years into the shi- Four years used I've been after me. I woke up my name and I said, I'm not going to keep on. That's what I saw him. I'm going to shoot her too and I couldn't hear. And this is like four years ago then? Three four years ago.

Where did this happen? Three house apartment, apartment, six of five. Three house apartment, apartment, six, five. Was he on the lease over there? Mm-hmm. No time. He's in the dump over there somewhere now. Nobody even missed him, man.

Did you put any of your mom out in the dump? No. I couldn't. So she's all. I was going to leave in the freezer until you guys found her. Okay. When he appeared in court, charged with an open count of murder and tampering with evidence, a judge ruled he needed to undergo a competency evaluation.

So he was committed to the New Mexico Behavioral Health Institute for treatment. And according to court records in April, he was found competent and the murder case will now move forward. It's all we have for you right now here on Sidebar. Everybody, thank you so much for joining us. And as always, please subscribe on YouTube, Apple Podcast, Spotify, wherever you get your podcast. You can also check us out on NBC's Peacock as well. If you want to follow me, X, Instagram, my News Nation show, Jesse Weber Live. Monday through Friday, 11 p.m. Eastern. We'll see you next time, everybody.