Law&Crime Sidebar - Andrew Tate Saga Continues as Idea of Suing Romanian Authorities Surfaces

Episode Date: February 3, 2023

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We didn't want to die in the Titanic. Guess what happened? We died the Titanic. Andrew Tate loses his appeal, but gets a high-powered attorney. We break down the latest in the social media star's criminal case. Romanian lawyer Stefan Loredan comes on to break it down.

Welcome to Sidebar, presented by Law and Crime. I'm Jesse Weber. Well, we have some new updates for you in the ongoing case of Andrew Tate, the social media star and former kickboxer, his brother Tristan, and two women, were arrested in late December on suspicions of human trafficking and rape charges.

Prosecutors alleged the defendants, quote, created an organized crime group with the purpose of recruiting, housing, and exploiting women by forcing them to create pornographic content meant to be seen on specialized websites for a cause. Now, they've described how there are six alleged victims here. These are people who were, quote, sexually exploited, and that, quote, an injured person was forced on two different occasions by a suspect through the exercise of physical violence and psychological pressure to have sexual relations, serious allegations here, but there are constantly new developments, and that's what we want to talk about right now. So you know who I'm

going to bring in. I'm going to bring back in Romanian lawyer, Stefan Loredam, who's been helping us sort through all of these foreign legal issues with us, Stefan, good to see you again. Thanks for taking the time. Thanks for having me. I'm disappointed. We didn't get the white shirt. I mean, I thought there was a consistency there, but we got you in the black. shirt totally fine we're going to move we're going to power through this so stephan you got it right you called it you predicted it you said that andrew tate was going to lose his next appeal and he has so just to give everybody an idea about what i'm talking about tate lost his appeal challenging a second 30 day jail extension see when they were arrested in late december the court agreed

to keep the defendants locked up for 30 days tate appealed it he lost that a second extension was ordered by the Judge to last until February 27th. Tate appealed that, and it has since been denied. It has most recently been denied. You called it. What's your reaction? Again, I'm not surprised. And I would say I have a logical thinking behind the reasoning because it's very rare

that such appeals are being accepted, first of all. And then second, it's just the fact that given that the case is very media, I don't know how it's called, but it's like there's a lot of news media attention right on the case. The judge doesn't want to make a mistake, so that's why. And just let's be clear, they haven't been formally charged with any crimes. Right now, they are being detained pending the outcome of this investigation, which you and I have spoke about, could last to 180 days. We know, as we previously reported, that there was this document that was released that got the

sign off from the judge, which basically said the reason there's this continued detainment is the defendants represent the particular dangerousness of the defendants with an increased vulnerability in search of better life opportunities that they can identify, excuse me, they can identify victims that have an increased vulnerability. So there's a need to keep them detained. But just to make it clear, is this case different from any other cases or is it typical operating procedure for people to be detained pending the outcome of an investigation? Yes, so I would say how the case has unfolded so far. It's typical to how a case unfolds in the Romanian legal system.

I feel like, and I know that the judge and the prosecutor has followed line by line, the text of law, and they've been following the Romanian regulations. And so that's pretty much it. Okay. Well, this is the new turn. The new turn is that Tina Glendian, who is a renowned United States attorney. She's represented Chris Brown, right, Mike Tyson. She is now representing the Tate brothers, okay?

she said, quote, in a news conference before the judge's ruling on denying the appeal, the defense team made extensive legal arguments pointing out the lack of evidence against the tape brothers. It's no secret that the tape brothers are controversial public personas, but this is not about their public persona. This is about the violation of international human rights and the due process of law. So far, the system has failed. The tape brothers, who are both U.S. citizens, have been in jail for over 30 days now

without bail and without any charges filed against them. Let's first start off what you make of her comments. Well, first of all, I think that she doesn't know the Romanian law because she says that they didn't have the bail option. But if she would only read the law, she would understand that in such cases, when they are facing charges related to crimes that have intention behind them, the law stays very clearly that there's no bail option, right? So I think she doesn't have any jurisdiction and she knows it.

And even when she came into the courtroom, she was not allowed to speak because she's not allowed to practice in Romania, first of all. The only thing she did from my understanding was to consult and to offer consultancy to her clients. But that's where her abilities were limited, right? And her jurisdiction was limited. And I would say that overall this is doing more bad than, I mean, I understand from Tate Brothers' perspective, when you have so much money, you are trying every way is possible. to try to get you out, right? Which also involves like bringing in high-class, high-profile lawyers from an international level. But this doesn't make any, this doesn't have any effect in the course of the investigation and in front of the judge, in my opinion. If not,

is making things worse. Because right now, a high-profile attorney from USA or from an international level coming to a Romanian court in front of the judge and making claims publicly that All the system has failed. The system is corrupt. They are being detained without having a legal base behind it. It's only making things worse for them, right? Because right now, it's the legal system for Romania that is fighting, I would say, the news media and the, how do you say it, like the notorious attorney from the USA. Okay, well, and by the way, so she is going seemingly, or I was about to go on a public tour.

She actually spoke to Pierce Morgan on Talk TV. This is a huge injustice the way we see it. They should not be detained at this point. We think it's now crossed over to the point where it's violating international human rights law because the deprivation of your liberty pretrial is the most severe form of punishment a state can impose. And that's what they've done in this case. The question that I have now is, and this is the question I have now, because she's coming in and she's a high-powered attorney, there is this international spotlight now put on the Romanian judicial system, which I didn't know

anything about. A lot of people didn't know anything about. If the pressure comes, is that going to have an effect on Romanian authorities? No, no. I think it will make things worse because, again, they will be more careful and they can't fail because right now a failure for the Romanian system will mean a huge failure for them as a whole, right? If they would just say right now, okay, you were right. We will just set them free. We didn't have any evidence. We didn't have anything. Can you imagine how bad it will make Romanian look on an international level? So this build up pressure, this is my opinion. This build up pressure that is building right now is making things worse for them and I don't see them being set free very soon. Why do you think she was hired then?

Again, I think a desperate man is doing every means possible in order to get himself out of jail, especially when you have money, you would think that bringing in such people like powerful people and very well know that. Because let's face it, I think the reason why they brought her is that she was the attorney of Chris Brown and some other celebrities, right? And so they were thinking that maybe they could put pressure on the legal system. That's not how it works because the legal system in Romania is impartial. And they can just default based on pressure, right, if that makes sense. Like, they can just, I don't know how it was the term, but they can just crack based on media pressure. What happens? And I'm assuming we might be in a situation where this extension happens

every 30 day. Every 30 day in increment, they're just going to be locked up. Two questions. Do you think Romanian authorities between now and the end of 180 days are going to show some proof that they have against the Tate brothers and the two other women? Are they going to show anything to say, hey, guys, listen, listen, we have something. Here's an example. Or, and let me ask you this, what happens if at the end of 180 days, they don't have enough to bring charges. Okay. So I will tell you what I think is going to happen. First of all, I don't think he's going to go for 180 days. I think the prosecutor, what he's doing right now during the investigation phase, he wants to keep them under race during the investigation days and then move the case to

the trial. And if he moves the case to the trial, they're going to be kept in the prison anyway. So I don't think he's willing to set them free. I don't think the period during the investigation time, I don't think the period of the arrest will be 180 days. I think it will be shorter than this. And he's going to move the case to the trial. What we need to understand is that when the prosecutor decides to move the case to the trial, he needs to present the case file to another judge, which is a preliminary chamber judge, and the judge will decide if there is enough evidence to send it to another judge, in another instance, that will just go over the trial, right?

So I will make a video on my YouTube channel about how the legal system works in Romania because it's different levels. There are different judges. It's a little bit different from what you are used to in USA. It's very interesting. I would say that it's adopted from the legal system in France, but I would say it's very, very complex. And from the moment, the suspect gets into the investigation phrase to the end when he's convicted, the case files and everything goes to like at least 12 people that take decisions like judges and so on, right?

And so it's very impartial in my opinion. It's very fair. How do charges, how are charges officially brought? Are they officially brought? What exactly mean? Like right now, if they are facing charges. Oh, yeah. So what I mean by that.

that is, right, they haven't officially been charged with a specific crime, right? I mean, you tell me, it's more the investigation. How does it work in terms of them being officially charged with crimes? Yeah, so right now in the investigation phase, they are facing charges, but they are not convicted yet. Once it will move to the trial, then they're going to be judged for the crimes that they supposedly commit. Okay, gotcha, gotcha. Okay, so let's just go back to her for a second, and Tina Glennon. You're saying she has no authority to speak on behalf of the Tate brothers in a Romanian court. She has no authority in Romania. She's just more of, I would say, like you mentioned, consulting them and maybe advising them on what do you think, the court of

public opinion? Yeah, that's exactly what it is. Again, if you will watch the news, you will see that they even stated that she was not allowed to speak directly to the court. The only thing she was allowed to do was to offer consultancy to her clients. And let me ask you this. Do you think any international human rights body is going to get involved in this case? No, and I'm going to tell you why, because so far from what I know and from what I've seen and from the information that has been available to the public, the judge and the prosecutor and the overall legal system has respected point on point the whole procedure

and everything that is stated in the law. There's nothing that they've done wrong, in my opinion. The fact that they have bad prison conditions is another story. Right. You and I talked about that. You and I talked about how the conditions in Romanian jail are like Andrew Tate says, they're not great. I want to end this with one final thing.

So when Andrew Tate was being escorted out of a van and into the building, he was handcuffed. And I believe one of the reporters had asked him, are you going to sue? Are you innocent? No, I'm innocent. There's no much justice in Romania. Does Andrew Tate have any legal recourse against Romanian authorities? Like, can he sue the Romanian government?

Can he sue the prosecutor for anything that's happening here? Yes, only if he's going to be found not guilty, right? So if the investigation ends and everything ends and he's not going to face any charge and he's going to not be found guilty, then he can sue the remainder. But as the time of the investigation right now, I don't think he extends any chance in my fear. Has anybody ever done that before?

Not from my knowledge, not when you are convicted or when you are facing charges related to such crimes. Because there are multiple ones, right? It's not like only one of it. It's like human trafficking, rape. It will be very soon probably money laundering. There's an establishment of an organized criminal group.

And trust me, they at least have like three, four more charges that they can, and I feel like they will bring in at least two more charges along the way. You will see it. It's just that they are gathering more evidence right now. But let's say he's, let's say charges are brought and he's not convicted. You're saying he could file a lawsuit in Romania against Romanian authorities or if charges are never brought and he's just detained for 180 days.

I mean, in these two scenarios, he could. he could sue the Romanian government. Have you ever seen anybody do that in that situation? Not talk about people who have been convicted, but people who have been maybe never charged or never convicted. Have they ever done that in Romania? To be honest with you, I haven't heard of any when it comes to the criminal law. I know when it comes to the civil law, such things happen. Okay. Okay. Hey, listen, Stefan, I appreciate you taking the time. There's always new developments in this case, and we're going to see how it ultimately progresses. Stefan, Loredan.

Thanks so much. You're welcome. And that's all we have for you here on Sidebar, everybody. Thank you so much for joining us. Please subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, YouTube, wherever you get your podcast. I'm Jesse Weber. I'll speak to you next time. You can binge all episodes of this law and crime series ad free right now on Wondery Plus.

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