Law&Crime Sidebar - Dozens of Jeffrey Epstein's Young Female Victims' Disturbing Stories Revealed by Detective

Episode Date: January 5, 2024

In a second release of documents related to convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein and his madam Ghislaine Maxwell, Palm Beach detective Joseph Recarey recounts what dozens of young girls told him happened inside Epstein’s Florida home. Law&Crime’s Jesse Weber breaks down the latest details with former CIA and FBI agent Tracy Walder.HOST:Jesse Weber: https://twitter.com/jessecordweberLAW&CRIME SIDEBAR PRODUCTION:YouTube Management - Bobby SzokePodcasting - Sam GoldbergVideo Editing - Michael DeiningerScript Writing & Producing - Savannah WilliamsonGuest Booking - Alyssa Fisher & Diane KayeSocial Media Management - Vanessa BeinSTAY UP-TO-DATE WITH THE LAW&CRIME NETWORK:Watch Law&Crime Network on YouTubeTV: https://bit.ly/3td2e3yWhere To Watch Law&Crime Network: https://bit.ly/3akxLK5Sign Up For Law&Crime's Daily Newsletter: https://bit.ly/LawandCrimeNewsletterRead Fascinating Articles From Law&Crime Network: https://bit.ly/3td2IqoLAW&CRIME NETWORK SOCIAL MEDIA:Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lawandcrime/Twitter: https://twitter.com/LawCrimeNetworkFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/lawandcrimeTwitch: https://www.twitch.tv/lawandcrimenetworkTikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@lawandcrimeSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Jeffrey Epstein saga. I'm talking about now over 900 pages of materials. New York judge Loretta Preska ordered the release of all these documents since they're part of court filings in a defamation case that was filed by alleged Epstein victim, Virginia, Joufrey, against Epstein accomplice, Galane Maxwell. Epstein, remember, was the financier who died in his jail cell awaiting trial on sex trafficking charges. This is off after having already pled guilty to state charges of soliciting and procuring a minor for prostitution over 10 years earlier. Maxwell was convicted of sex trafficking charges and sentenced to 20 years behind bars. By the way, she's currently sitting in a Florida prison. But at one point in time, Virginia Roberts, who's now known as Virginia Drew Frey, she filed a defamation lawsuit against Maxwell in 2015.

The case ended up being settled. But media outlets, particularly the Miami Herald, really wanted to know what these documents were, what were these filings, whose names were in these. so they tried to get all of these filings released. Judge Loretta Preska agreed at the end of December to release these documents with almost every John and Jane Doe named as their real identity. Now, some of these names weren't that surprising

because the people either already revealed themselves in interviews. They put out statements. They've been photographed with Epstein and Maxwell. Now, it's very important to note that not everyone named in these documents is accused or guilty of nefarious activities. You know, say the Epstein list. Oh, my goodness. It's not what you think it is.

A lot of this is just names that are referenced. You know, you could have former employees. You could have victims. You could have associates. You could have just celebrities that were mentioned. You know, Leonardo DiCaprio's name was mentioned because one of the alleged victims was asked if she ever met him. That's it. There's nothing more nefarious about that.

And I just want to be clear about that. When we talk about the release of all these documents, we have to put everything in context. Now, there are a lot of high-profile names and important people, and they're very interesting tidbits as well. So I want to talk about all this with former CIA and FBI agent Tracy Walder, who is the author of The Unexpected Spy and a News Nation national security contributor. Tracy, so good to see you. You have been following this as much as I have. So I'm going to ask you, just generally speaking, what are your thoughts on the last couple of days of release of all of these documents? Well, thank you so much for having me, Jesse. You know, my thoughts are

exactly what you had mentioned before. Obviously, this isn't some little black book, right, of his client hit list, if you will. But, and I realize a lot of people don't have time to do this, but I read through the second release in full. And by the way, a lot of people don't know this, but you have Superman reading speed. You're just like this all the time of the whole night. I read through it in full after I put my daughter into bed last night. And what I found to be interesting is, just as you said, some of these names are very much innocuous. Like I know David Copperfield, the famous magician, is on there.

And he was in there really just because he performed a magic show for, you know, Etsy. You know what? Well, let's save him because he made an interesting comment. We'll talk about him in a minute. He did. Or allegedly made a comment. Yes. But I would argue from the most recent, the deposition list, the list of people that were to be deposed.

and why they were to be deposed, in my opinion, is probably one of the more revealing looks, if that makes any sense into this. And really, Bill Richardson is one that sticks out. So let's talk about that first. One of the documents that was released yesterday, it's a standard filing and a litigation. You identify individuals who are likely to have evidence, likely to have information that's relevant to your case. And this was a filing from 26, from Galane Maxwell listing over 70 people that she believed had information that could help her case, you know, disprove Virginia-Joufray's defamation claims. And so just to give you an idea about what they say, for example, there was a woman named Evelyn Bullett.

Miss Bullett may have knowledge concerning plaintiff's false claims against defendant. Now, I have to tell you, Tracy, I didn't find it that particularly interesting because we don't know what that information was. We don't know who these people, what they knew about Virginia Joufrey or what they knew about Galane Maxwell or their connection to Epstein. It was just a list of people that might have information. And also the second half of it was a list of articles and legal filings that might have information to help Maxwell's case. But you thought it was more important than that.

Not for everyone. To your point, right? Some of them I have absolutely no idea, right? What they were being opposed for or is very innocuous information, just as you said. But when I looked at the two, Richardson and Fakhai, Frederick Fakhai, you know, Richardson obviously was in the government, was the governor of New Mexico, served in the cabinet as well. And it specifically said that what the information they wanted from him, what really piqued my interest was obviously knowledge of Epstein's activities, but in particular, that sentence said his knowledge of Epstein's relationships with underage kids. And that really stuck out to me. That, I think, is noteworthy and troublesome, what he was being deposed for.

Well, what we're going to do is go through some of these high profile names, break them down who they are, what the relation are in these documents. So let's start with Bill Rich. So Joufrey named the late New Mexico governor, Bill Richardson, as one of the people she gave a massage to. She couldn't remember certain details of the dates about when she was asked to do it. She did say that she was sent. to New Mexico. Now, another alleged victim here, Joanna Schoberg, she testified that Maxwell

went to dinner with Mr. Richardson when Schoberg was visiting the ranch. Richardson died in September of last year. He denied all the claims. What do you make of what we've learned a little bit more about him, or maybe we didn't learn that much about him more in these documents? You know, I'm not sure that we learned a ton more about him than what we already knew. I think it was well known and assumed from, as you mentioned before, information that was already out there. As you said, he recently passed away and he has, you know, denied these claims against him. I think the problem is, though, is these claims keep coming up. And I am concerned, and I would want to know if there was ever an investigation conducted

into Richardson and whether or not he was procuring illegal services, quite frankly, of Jeffrey Epstein. And so I think what's not in there is what's important to me. As an investigator, I would want to know if there was ever an investigation done into him if these allegations were made. And let's be clear, this is also the beginning set of documents. More documents are going to be released. It may not have everything. I mean, there's going to be aspects of the Jeffrey Epstein saga that might not have been a part of this litigation between Virginia Juffray and Galane Maxwell. But we will wait and see this is going to happen on a rolling basis. Now, Now, I want to actually go to somebody that you tweeted about, exed about.

I still don't know what the right thing is. But it's former FBI director, Lewis Free. Am I saying his last name correctly? Louis Free. Louis Free. Okay. And as somebody who worked for the FBI, I thought this was really interesting because he's mentioned in a 2016 filing from Galane Maxwell, where she, as you said,

identified people that may have information that could help her case. it's required disclosure. He was the head of the FBI from 1993 to June 2001 during former President Bill Clinton's term, and it says that he may have knowledge concerning travel of Bill Clinton. Now, it seems to me probably Galane Maxwell wanted to show Clinton never visited Epstein's Island or that he was only on Epstein's plane with Secret Service. What do you make of that? So the interesting thing is I'm actually more interested in Mr. Free's activities after.

he worked at the FBI, because really that's what this is questioning. After he worked at the FBI, I think it's well known throughout the community that he did some controversial things and aligned himself with some controversial individuals. And one of those things was that he worked at the law firm and defended Alan Dershowitz in some of the allegations against him. And so, look, we have to remember these took place after his time as the FBI director, right? So I just want to make really clear. Also, he is absolutely not being accused of, you know, partaking in any sex trafficking or anything like that. But the thing that I am concerned about is that this is someone who would have had intimate knowledge, I guess, of the government of the legal system of the judicial apparatus here in this country. And I think it's more than just in terms of my reading what he knew about Clinton's travels. It all also is the discussions that he had with Dershowitz as well in defending him in the cases. Those are sort of what's being looked at and why his name appeared.

And so that's why that was interesting to me. Yeah, I agree with you. But for Maxwell's purposes, she wanted to get information from him to talk about where Bill Clinton wasn't. Let's actually talk about Bill Clinton because the former president, his name appears in these documents. He hasn't been accused of any wrongdoing, but as I said, his name appears in the filings, and he has always maintained that he had a relationship with Epstein, you know, in the 90s and the early 2000s, flew on his private jet for philanthropic work for the Clinton Foundation, but that he cut ties with him and denies all wrongdoing and denies all knowledge.

And Clinton's representative said that he never visited Little St. James Island, Epstein's Island. But one of the more notable references in the documents concerns alleged victim Jonas Schoberg, who I mentioned, because she claims that Epstein had said at one point to her, Clinton liked them young, referring to young girls. Now, it's important to know that Schoberg never met Clinton or saw him on the island. But I thought that was interesting. What was your take on that? I do think that's interesting. Obviously, it is someone's account, right? She never met him and never saw him on the island. I also think we want to be fair to both parties here.

Clinton's name was in there and also Marlauga was in there a lot. And so, yeah. And so I think both things are concerning to me. The way I see it, and maybe I shouldn't be so cut and dried, but this is the way I see it. If you associated with Epstein prior to his sex crimes conviction in 2008, I can understand that, maybe not knowing what his activity. were, not knowing what he was doing, not knowing what he was a part of. But if you made a decision after 2008 to associate with him to ride the Lolita Express, I guess that was the nickname for it, to visit his island. His plane, yeah. Right. To visit his island to partake in his, you know,

philanthropic donations after he had been convicted of that. And it was well known that he was. That's where I take a little bit of issue in terms of, from a president. and members of the administration associating with him. Now, there were other mentions of Bill Clinton that were brought up in reference to whether Juffray's lawyers would be allowed to depose him in the defamation suit.

The judge denied it. There's also this email from January 2015 where Gleine Maxwell emails her agent after he had called Joufrey a liar on Maxwell's behalf. And she wrote, I have already suffered such a terrible and painful loss over the last few days that I can't even see

what life after press. believe and look like, statements that don't address all just lead to more questions. Why is, what is my relationship to Clinton? You know, again, you can make of that what it is. But this is what I really thought was interesting. And this came out of yesterday's document. Vanity Fair. So according to this latest round of documents, Virginia Joufrey claimed that former President

Bill Clinton stormed into the offices at Vanity Fair and said that the magazine couldn't publish a story about Jeffrey Epstein. The claim was made in a May 2011 email concerning an interview to promote a book that Joufrey was writing. And she said, Clinton walked into Vanity Fair and threatened them not to write sex trafficking articles about his good friend, J.E., meaning Jeffrey Epstein. That is a pretty wild claim. That's a public figure that would march in and start screaming demands. Now, a spokesperson for the editor of Vanity Fair at the time says, quote, this categorically did not happen. That was, for me, a little bit of a bombshell.

It was a bombshell, however, as I mentioned before, it's it, I guess he said, she said, she said, she said, I don't know. I find, because I don't want to say that Virginia Jufre is not a believable individual. What happened to her is horrific. And I never want to dismiss that. However, I have a hard time believing that a former president with Secret Service in tow, because let's be honest, he would have had to have had Secret Service protection, would have done something so public. about that. I'm not sure that that actually happened, but I don't want to be perceived as calling her

a liar because I don't think that she is, but I do think that some of these claims may be recalled differently than what occurred. I just, I just can't see him doing that. I'll tell you, I thought it was interesting because it's my understanding, correct me if I'm wrong, but I understood that there were reports that Epstein himself tried to prevent Vanity Fair from publishing articles about his alleged abuse of these. two sisters. There was this journalist, Vicki Ward, said in a podcast a couple of years back that Epstein said, quote, I have reports here about you, your husband, I have everything under

the sun that was sent to me by people who want to be helpful. I don't know if you heard about that, but the idea that, you know, Jeffrey Epstein was trying to kill stories. Now I hear this allegation that Clinton was trying to kill stories in the same publication. Just a little interesting to think about if you want to give your quick take on that. I could see Epstein wanting to kill a story. I could understand that. I think what happened with Clinton, if it happened, maybe happened over email, over a phone call. I just don't see him physically storming into the office. I guess that's, it doesn't seem practical. I'm thinking from a tactical standpoint of Secret Service until coming up there

and doing that. I just, I don't see it. Talking about law enforcement, one of the biggest pieces of new information revealed in this second batch of documents relates to the testimony from Palm Beach Florida Detective Joseph Ricari because he testified about how Epstein recruited girls to give massages in his home and then offered to pay them if they brought over more friends. Carrie says that he interviewed more than 30 women. Most of them were younger than 18. They actually didn't have any massage experience at all. In fact, one of the victims whose name is still redacted said that she was 16 or 17 had no

massage knowledge. She had had no idea that her encounter with Jeffrey Epstein would involve sexual activity. she says the first time that she met him, Epstein just took off her clothes without her consent. And Detective R. Carey says that every victim was asked to bring their friends to Epstein's home. Some did, some didn't. That was interesting hearing from the detective. It was sad hearing from the detective, especially when she goes into more about why certain individuals were targeted. They were people that didn't have close ties with their families.

And I found that to be incredibly sad and incredibly vindictive and incredibly premeditated, quite frankly, on Epstein's part. That, and I do want to make a point, too, there's redactions in some of these documents. I think that's for two reasons. I think first of it, first of all, they were minors at the time when they were giving statements. And so that's why some of them are redacted. And I also do think some may be, you know, currently under investigation. So I think those might be the two reasons, but it was really, really sad, and it was really interesting to see how purposeful Epstein and Maxwell, quite frankly, were in recruiting people because it wasn't just about young pretty girls. They were purposely looking for girls who maybe didn't have an education, didn't have resources, didn't have close ties to family members.

And that's really pure evil, quite frankly. That leads me to somebody you mentioned before, David Copperfield, because the magician, right? And there was this allegation that Copperfield had visited Epstein in the past. Ms. Schoberg, who I mentioned before, one of the alleged victims, she testified that she met Copperfield at a dinner at one of Epstein's home. She says that he performed some magic tricks. But this is really the part that I thought was so fascinating. According to her, Copperfield makes the statement, quote, girls were getting paid to find other girls.

Now, she says he didn't really go into further any further details, including whether the girls were underage. But that comment is so chilling, considering what we just talked about, this recruitment method of not only getting these victims, but having these victims as recruiters. It's chilling and disgusting. Where was the hero in any of this situation? I guess that's sort of, this is going to sound terrible. It shows me what a coward, Copperfield is, and what a lot of these people were if they had knowledge that minors were being recruited and then asked to recruit their friends.

What that tells me is that Copperfield may not have been partaking in what was going on. There's no, I couldn't find any allegations of that, but he knew. It sounds like, right, in making that statement, what was going on, but neglected to do anything about it. And if you know, I'm not saying that, you know, he had to, no one has any moral obligation. I just wish someone would have done something. Yeah, and in that vein, I mean, just about this recruiting, Jufre's ex-boyfriend, Anthony Figueroa, testified in deposition that Clayne Maxwell have repeatedly asked him to bring underage girls to Epstein's house in Palm Beach. You know, we talked about it as well, and let's get into it a little bit more, John Luke Brunel, who I think think is a fascinating character in this as well.

And so he's mentioned several times in the documents. He was this French model scout who faced allegations of sexual assault that had been going on for decades. He was accused of providing Epstein's sex trafficking ring with the young girls and that he also was sexually abused them, denied the accusations. I mean, there was a specific allegation in the documents that Janeo number three was trafficked to Brunel. The documents also allege that he would go after these girls from poor countries.

get them for modeling jobs, lure them in. He was charged with rape of minors in December of 2020 by French prosecutors. He died from an apparent suicide in 2022. Quick take on him. It's hard to sometimes put it into words, right? Because what's so upsetting, you know, he was charged, and I know he recently passed away. But the thing is, in my opinion, one of the things that the documentary show, particularly in regards to Brunel as well, is how much people knew about what was. going on, what he was doing, the women that he was providing. And again, he's focused on women

from disenfranchised countries, from disenfranchised groups. And they were never held accountable. And either someone did try to turn them in and no one listened about it or no one or people were too scared to turn. I don't know the answer to that question. I don't know what it is. we look at bystanders a lot, you know, in history. And I think there's a lot of bystanders here. In my opinion, someone like Sean Luke Brunel, who this went on with him for quite some time. And this wasn't, you know, an isolated incidents like some people on that list. This is someone who I think was known for quite over decade of providing women to Epstein. And I'm just surprised that nothing really ever came of it until about 2020.

me. What did you think of Frederick Fakhai talking about famous individuals? This was a famous hairdresser, Joanna Schoberg again testified in 2016 that when she was giving Epstein a massage, she heard Epstein on the phone say, I heard him call someone and say, Mackay is in Hawaii. Can we find some girls for him? She was asked, what was your reaction to that? She said, well, I was massaging and I didn't have a reaction. I tried to remain reactionless the whole five years. Well, first of all, I'm going to take the last part first, the fact that she had to remain reactionless the whole five years and just like detach herself from reality, right? Like that was probably the self-preservation mode that

she needed to go into. The thing about for Kai, excuse me, that was interesting to me was that I'm not sure that I fully realized that Epstein had this wide of a network, right? And was providing these women or underaged women allegedly to individuals in different countries in different states. I'm not sure I fully understood the scope of that. But Kai isn't necessarily when I looked at one of the reasons he was being deposed. It wasn't about his knowledge of interaction with underage women. It was more just about his knowledge of Epstein himself. And so my guess is, yeah, so my guess is that it was probably related to that phone call. But I'm I'm not sure.

So let's get into now three big names. Prince Andrew, Donald Trump, and Alan Dershowitz. We'll start with Prince Andrew, one of the most famous of Epstein's alleged associates, Prince Andrew, the Duke of York. Jufre accused him of being one of the people that she had sex with as a minor. He settled a lawsuit with her out of court for reportedly millions of dollars. He continues to deny any wrongdoing. But Ms. Schoberg, again, now accuses Prince Andrew of groping her breast while they were taking a photo

with a puppet, with a Prince Andrew puppet look-alike. I talked about this in a previous sidebar. And then you have another accuser unidentified who claims that she was told to sleep with Prince Andrew doing, during an orgy on the island. And a court filing from 2014 alleges that he, that this woman was forced to have sex with him when she was a minor at least three different places, including Epstein's Island. What do you make of that?

First of all, let's the puppet. Yeah, yeah, that was, just, you know what? People, instead of everybody going to the other, a puppet was taken, looks like Prince Andrew. I was just making a visual in my mind. I really wish you didn't. I really wish you didn't because apparently they took the puppet's hand, put it on Virginia Jufre's breast, and then he holds Schoberg's breast. I mean, it was insane.

I was, when I was reading, so in the page, The most graphic, I would say information, most detailed graphic information was about Prince Andrew. At least that's what I gleaned from sort of that second dump of papers. I don't think I fully understood how involved it was. And it sounds to me like this puppet was made especially for him, and Galane Maxwell kept it sometimes for him, for that use. use. And so it just shows how involved Prince Andrew was. And I think also a lot of times

because of obviously the courage of Ms. Frey coming forward, right? And talking about it, we forget that he victimized other women probably allegedly as well. And so it was interesting to see the accounts of the other women and their allegations, but then also coupled with the puppet that, in my opinion, was probably made for the purpose of engaging in this. It was very disturbing. Yeah, it was, if you want, I'll talk about the Stephen Hawking one, too, before we even get into Donald Trump. So Stephen Hawking, the, you know, acclaim physicist, very weird. There was an implication that he might have been involved in an orgy. It came from an email from Jeffrey Epstein to Galane Maxwell, where they were basically saying, you know, she'd go after

Jeffreys Associates, try to tell them that none of this is true. And one of the allegations that I didn't know of before was that apparently Stephen Hawking was in an orgy. Again, that seemed to be the only reference I could find if you want to quickly tackle that. That was the only reference that I could find as well. But I think the interesting thing is no one's name, I guess, should surprise anyone anymore, given what we're seeing in terms of, I also think, Sue, we as a society have this, like interest in deviant behavior.

And really, that's what this is engaging in, quite frankly. And so I'm guessing that's why it's capturing a lot of people's attention. And let's be clear also now about former president Donald Trump, because he's mentioned in these documents, not accused of any wrongdoing. We knew that Trump and Epstein had a relationship back in the 90s. Trump previously called him a terrific guy, says the two out of falling out. But Ms. Schoberg says that when she was on Epstein's jet, they actually diverted to New Jersey because of bad weather.

And she claims Epstein said, great, we'll call. up Trump and will go to the casino. She said that she was with Joufrey on the plane. They didn't gamble because Joufrey was too young. Schoberg also testified in the documents that she was never asked to give Trump a massage. Jufre testified, though, when she was 17. You mentioned Mar-a-Lago. She was working at Mar-a-Lago before she was recruited to be a masseuse for Epstein.

Anything there that's a knock is? I don't really see anything there. I don't necessarily see anything in regards to, you know, Trump partaking in any of this elicit activity. My concern, and I mentioned it before, was how much Mara Lago appears in the documents. And now I understand Trump is not clearly responsible for everything that occurs at Mara Lago. Of course not. But the fact that Joufrey was there, I think other women also were there too. I worry that it was some kind of a coaching ground for Epstein in regards to finding women for his network.

So I'm less concerned about Trump and like what his specific involvement was. It sounds like they were associates, which is on, I don't want to say understandable, but I get it from like a philanthropic point of view, same thing with Clinton and some of the other individuals as well. But I am concerned about Mar-a-Lago and how many women came from there. And just going now to other high-profile people that Jufre has said that she was, was trafficked to, I mean, there's Tom Pritzker, the American billionaire owns high hotels, his cousin of Illinois Governor J.B. Pritzker, if you want to talk about that, but also I'll mention

Alan Dershowitz because he is, as he keeps coming up, somebody we talk about a lot, he's a prominent lawyer. He has been mentioned before in connection with Jufre and Epstein. Joufrey withdrew an allegation against Dershowitz in the past. But according to these documents, a person only identified as Jane Doe No. 3, who was a minor, says that she was forced to have sex with Dershowitz in Florida, New York, New Mexico, U.S. Virgin Islands, and private planes. She was then instructed to report back to Epstein about what happened. And the documents also claimed that Dershowitz was an eyewitness to other sexual abuse. So if you want to talk about Dershowitz and Pritzker, I think those are two important names. Yeah, I'll start with Dershowitz, if that's okay.

Jane Doe number three, I felt had the most compelling information or testimony. about Dershowitz, obviously, and his involvement. I think that's where Louis Frey comes into play, right? Is that, you know, his firm was, was representing him. And I have to wonder if that's why it also, his name also came into play, right? It's more than just Clinton's travel. In terms of that, I mean, that is pretty detailed information. I know Dufrey withdrew her statements, right, about Dershowitz.

But I'm concerned and confused as to why more wasn't done based on Jane Doe number three's testimony in regards to investigating this claim. Because if these women at the time were underage, obviously that is a crime and law enforcement needs to investigate that. I don't know if it was just never reported to law enforcement and only here. That's what I don't know. and that's what I'm trying to understand. So about Dershowitz, I think by far the most compelling information is come from Jane Doe number three. In regards to Pritzker, you know, I think here's the thing. We idolize a lot of these people and assume that they don't do anything wrong.

And I think that's what's very upsetting to a lot of people is you see these individuals Dershowitz free, Clinton, Mar-a-Log, right, like things that we view as making prominent decisions, places in our society, and they are not infallible, and they may or may not have engaged in illegal activity. There's a lot more names we could talk about. There's a lot more people we could talk about, but otherwise we'd be here for the next two hours. But listen, this is just the start of it.

We mentioned that this is only in the beginning. There's going to be more documents, but I think we're expecting more than 200 documents with thousands of pages of information to be released over the next several days. So we're going to obviously continue the conversation. Tracy Walder, thank you so much. Thank you for going through all the documents.

Looking at you're staying up late doing that, but really, really appreciate it. You're terrific as always. Thank you, Jesse. All right, everybody. That is all we have for you right now here on Sidebar. Thank you so much for joining us. please subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, YouTube, wherever you get your podcasts.

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