Law&Crime Sidebar - 'Drunk' Assistant AG Berates Officers Outside Fancy Newport Restaurant: Bodycam

Episode Date: August 21, 2025

A prosecutor found herself on the wrong side of the law in Rhode Island, when Newport police arrived at an upscale restaurant to remove her and a friend from the premises. Devon Hogan Flanagan was seen on body camera video repeatedly screaming that she was an attorney general and shouldn’t be arrested. Law&Crime’s Jesse Weber analyzes the viral moment with retired NYPD detective Tom Smith.PLEASE SUPPORT THE SHOW:Save time for your accountants with a clean, modern accounting software. Check out Odoo for a free 15-day trial at: https://www.odoo.com/sidebaraccountingHOST:Jesse Weber: https://twitter.com/jessecordweberLAW&CRIME SIDEBAR PRODUCTION:YouTube Management - Bobby SzokeVideo Editing - Michael Deininger, Christina O'Shea & Jay CruzScript Writing & Producing - Savannah Williamson & Juliana BattagliaGuest Booking - Alyssa Fisher & Diane KayeSocial Media Management - Vanessa BeinSTAY UP-TO-DATE WITH THE LAW&CRIME NETWORK:Watch Law&Crime Network on YouTubeTV: https://bit.ly/3td2e3yWhere To Watch Law&Crime Network: https://bit.ly/3akxLK5Sign Up For Law&Crime's Daily Newsletter: https://bit.ly/LawandCrimeNewsletterRead Fascinating Articles From Law&Crime Network: https://bit.ly/3td2IqoLAW&CRIME NETWORK SOCIAL MEDIA:Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lawandcrime/Twitter: https://twitter.com/LawCrimeNetworkFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/lawandcrimeTwitch: https://www.twitch.tv/lawandcrimenetworkTikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@lawandcrimeSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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I'm an A.J. An assistant attorney general is in some big trouble. after humiliating video of her arrest outside of a Ritzie Rhode Island restaurant went viral. While some people are claiming the police officers may be overreacted to a minor situation, others say Devin Hogan-Flanigan tried to abuse her position to get her own way. We're taking a closer look at the video and getting insight on dealing with potential arrest powder kegs with a retired NYPD officer. Welcome to Sidebar, presented by Law and Crime.

I'm Jesse Weber. Well, as a law enforcement officer, you never quite know what kind of situation you're going to be stepping into when you respond to a call, right? And sometimes something seemingly, you know, minor, like removing rowdy patrons from bars and restaurants, well, that can escalate into something much more serious. And that is what happened on August 14th in Newport, Rhode Island. So officers responded to a call from Clark Cookhouse. This is a swanky establishment on Bannon's. Worf, it's two 34-year-old women, who were later identified as Devin Hogan Flanagan and Veronica Hannan. They were reportedly quite intoxicated and refusing to leave, which was causing

all sorts of problems for staff outside the crowded restaurant. Now, before I play the body cam video of their arrest for you, and there's a lot to dissect there, I want to bring in retired NYPD detective and co-host of the Gold Shield Show. It's a great podcast, Tom Smith. Thank you so much for coming on. Good to see you. Good to see you too, Jesse. So how much information, generally speaking, do officers have when they roll up to a scene, right? They get the call, but what are they expecting? What do they know walking into a scene? Yeah, usually the radio call is only, you know, maybe an intoxicated person or disruptive or dispute or something like that. Very little information is given. And that all goes by the caller,

whoever the caller may be giving the information. But usually that's pretty much all you're getting, walking into a scene. And when you're dealing with somebody who is arguably drunk, how does that complicate things? How do you have a conversation with that person? How do you elicit information from that person? I would imagine it gets a little complicated. Yeah, it's hard because the level of intoxication depends on what the conversation is going to be. Sometimes their, you know, their demeanor is very low and they understand what's going to

on and can be removed pretty quickly. But then there's others, as you know, where alcohol leads to your mouth running too much and violence and entitlement and all that. And that's what happened in this situation. And are you more on guard? You don't know exactly what they're going to do. They're unpredictable. Oh, no doubt. Listen, any call you go to is dangerous. You know, situation that you walk into potentially has the ability to be violent. So you're always on guard with that. And especially when it comes to intoxicated. people because they're not in control. So they're just flailing. And again, violence can happen with alcohol very, very easily. Talk to me about trespassing, right? We see this on a lot of body

camera videos. People are told they have to leave a private business. They feel that it's unfair or even illegal. Those are interesting kinds of calls, right? Oh, yeah. You know, it's up to the establishment. If they feel that someone who's causing a disturbance and putting fear in other people who are there and other patrons and are causing a ruckus and a disturbance that's, you know, disrupting their business, they have the right to remove you. And if you don't leave, they also have the right to call the police and have them remove you. And it's that simple. It's very simple of you're not allowed to be there anymore. It's my job. It's my establishment.

Please leave. If you don't, I'm going to call the police. And that's what happened in this situation. By the way, as we're talking about this all happening at this restaurant, this establishment, this business, I got to ask, is anybody out there also in a business of some kind? If so, let me ask you this. How much time do you think your business team is wasting in spreadsheets, chasing down receipts, just trying to make sense of endless rows of bank statements, probably a little too much? Yeah? Well, that is where Odu Accounting steps in.

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you can stop right now. Automate invoices, vendor bills, accounting workflow with Odu today. Get a free 15-day trial today at Odu.com slash sidebar accounting. Well, and you don't even have to get into specifics, but previewing what we're about to watch. Have you ever dealt with somebody who, you know, tried to use their job, their position to escape consequences? Oh, yeah. You know, in situations when you roll up to a scene and the first words out of their

mouth is, do you know who I am? It's going to end up leading to an arrest all the time. You know, and that's the first thing that comes out of their mouth. This is going to be a problem and it's not going to be easy because immediately the entitlement and I can do what I want is already in their head. Well, let's talk about that because that's the main allegation that we have in this case. Let's go to this video. And this is from the very moment that the officers arrive on scene and Hogan Flanagan is seemingly already making demands.

I want you to turn your body claim off. Protocol is that you turn it off. It's a turn it off. So they want you guys to leave? Yes, move out. Let's just leave. Let's just make it easy, okay? We're not. We're going to make it easy. No, no, that's not.

Are you with that? I am. Okay, I'm her husband. That's not the point. Can you look at me right? We'll talk over here, okay. Your protocol is. Can we all talk?

Can we all talk? We'll talk over here. They won't leave. Your protocol is, I know. Can we talk? Look me. What's she to you? What's that?

No, nothing. She is our college friend. Okay. She's right. Yes. No, I'm not. You guys just want them out? Do you want them trespass? Anything we can do.

Trust pass? Yeah, I just need them. Truspass, get them out. Off them. Please. No, I'm not. No, I'm not. Do we want to chat? I know that your protocol is. So you're trespass, so we got to leave now. We're not trespassing. You haven't notified us that we're trespassing.

Number one, number two, number two, let's go. Number one, number two, you're not going to arrest us. Number two is that we got to go. Your protocol is, let's go. The citizen protocol is if we ask you to turn the body cam off? I don't want to deal with this. Let's go. Let's go.

Let's go. And your protocol is if I ask you to turn off the body cam, you have to turn it off. And that's your protocol. She's a . So she knows. Well, that's . Lawyer stuff, so that's not true. So we got to go.

No. It is. That's law. I'm an A.J. I'm an A. Good for you. I don't get a . Let's go. We're going.

Excuse. We're leaving. your hands off. Can you get your children out of your, like, I don't know why. I'm sorry. What? Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. There are two full-grown women and mothers. All right. All right. Don't, don't. Don't do you. You just need to 10. You're just being to 10. I'm in 18. I'm in 18. I'm in 18. What do you? What are you? What are you a problem with you? What are you probably cost of the team before? You're being to 10 because you're not. Because of what? You have problems. Can you relax? Sir, sir, she's not doing anything wrong. You're not leaving.

I'm an A. Wait, wait. She's an A.G. You're not, she's not being arrested. Let's go. I'm not being arrested. You're putting me in cuffs. I'm not being arrested.

Do you have any weapons on you? No. I'm an EG. Her badge is in a car. You're arrested. Let me tell you something. You're arrested. But you get that .

What are you? Seriously. You're arresting EG. Let me tell you something. Are you want to arrest right there? You're putting me in handcuffs and you're marandise you're not marandizing me. Relax. I will say there's something, Tom, buddy, you're going to regret this. You're going to regret it. How many? I will say there's something, Tom, kind of funny, as she's about to say, I'm an age.

As she's about to say, I'm an AG again, the Dorisland. So, yes, she is special assistant attorney general, Devin Hogan, Flanagan. There is a lot to unpack here. First of all, asking the officer immediately to turn off his body cam, if she requests it, is she right about the law that they have to turn it off? Absolutely not. The law, as I looked at it, especially in, you know, in that area, is just used for victims. If a victim wants to talk to a police officer about a situation, they can request their body can be turned off.

Or a witness that wants their identity protected, that they can request that their body can be turned off. Not a criminal, not someone being arrested, and not someone surely intoxicated. From your point of view, did the officer do anything improper? Absolutely not. I was just going to say that. I think they did a great job. They were calm. They didn't blow the situation up. They gave them every opportunity to just walk away and go on with the rest of their night.

They gave them opportunity after opportunity. But you can't sit there all night, Jesse, and debate something with someone who's intoxicated and is not following your orders. You can't do it all night. And at some point, police officers have to do their job and remove people from areas where they're not wanted and they're trespassing. and that's what they did. I really think they did a great job in this. They stayed calm the entire time, which is the best thing you can do in situations like this. And then the end, they had no choice at the end. They arrested both of them. One of the charges that we're talking about here is resisting, right? What is that consist of? It doesn't necessarily mean that the person has to fight back, right? It could be something more, a little less egregious.

Yeah, sure. I mean, you know, resisting in different states means. different things there's different definitions you know state by state but in new york it's it's just stopping the officer from doing their job and stopping the officer from affecting an arrest and that's what they did both times uh you know even the people around them you know their husbands or boyfriends whoever they were trying to get in the way you could also you know throw a charge at them as well but they didn't and that's how calm these officers were all they wanted to do is take care of this situation and go on with their night, and they could have went on with their night. By the way, we double checked Newport Police's policy on body worn cameras. It's actually

available online, and it states, authorized officers equipped with a BWC, body worn camera, are prohibited from activating a BWC and are continuing to record under the following circumstances. Whenever a potential witness requests to speak to an officer confidentially or desires anonymity, whenever a victim or witness requests that he or she not be recorded, and the situation is not confrontational whenever a victim requests that he or she not be recorded as a condition of cooperation and the interest of justice require such cooperation. But the policy notes that in the end, it is really up to the officer. Quote, any request to have BWCs turned off that are made by members of the public should be captured by the BWC prior to deactivating the video recording function. It should also be noted that consent to record is not required.

When a member of the public objects to being recorded, a BWC officer may determine whether to proceed with recording in circumstances consistent with this policy. So again, as Tom and I talked about, the officer seems to be well within his authority to continue to record. Now, it is not just Flanagan who is objecting to being put in a police car. Remember the friend Veronica Hannon seems struggling with officers. And at one point, this is incredible, apparently slips out of the handcuff. We will get the license. We will get the license. No, no, no, no, no.

Get out of here. Get out of here. Get back. Get back right now. Get back. No. No. No.

No. Get back. Get back. I'm right here, I'm right here, I'm right here, it's okay? All right here, no, no, I'm right here, I'm right here. I'm right here. Come on, babe, babe. No, no.

All right. Babe, I'm right here. No, babe, babe, please, I'm scared. I'm right here. Please up to you. I'm right here. I'm right here. No.

Okay. No. Do you go to the spy friend? I'm right here. No. No, no. Babe. I'm right here.

Dave. I'm right here. No, babe. Relax. Relax. What's wrong with you? Relax. We don't want to put you in handcuffs.

Let's go. Let's go. No. Dave, babe. Listen, you're making, you're overreacting. You're adding charges. You're overreacting. No.

No. Don't, please see my hands up. Please think to have our hands up. Don't, please think... You were overreacted. You didn't have this happen. Get in the car. No, no, no!

Babe, no! You got two to two to two. I'm right here. No! Just put her in. No! Get back, get back, bro. Dad!

In the car. Dad! No! Help! Don't! Don't! Don't! No!

I'm right now. No! No! Dan, please! Get your feet in the car. No! You're the . Dave!

I'm right here. No! Dave! No! Get your feet in the car. Who the . Don't touch me. Get your feet in the car.

You're a grown adult. You're actually like a kid. Dan! Dan! Dan! Dan! No! Who are you?

This is so inappropriate. You're overreacted. Yeah, wow! So, they weren't a trespass, and they were just throwing a f***. Travel, we've got two to take. Wow.

Tom, uh-uh. First of all, if I saw that correctly, it looked like she got out of the handcuffs at first. How often is a suspect actually able to do that? And is that like an extra charge? Is that another example of a resisting arrest? Oh, you could throw an escape charge at her if you really wanted to to really ruin her night. But it does happen, depending on the size of the person.

You know, handcuffs only go, you know, close so far. And maybe they just, again, the officers were just trying to, to do the right thing you know they didn't clamp down on them as hard as they can they could with the second pair because they had to you know but it's just another example of what police officers go through daily you know and that's why years ago just i was so in favor of body cams because this shows what police officers have to deal with on a daily basis all the time especially you know when it comes to people like this and it's amazing how the sound of handcuffs can sober somebody up really fast. What did you make of that reaction? I mean, kicking the door, putting her feet out,

you know, so the door wouldn't close, screaming like that, you know, it's tough for the officers to figure out what to do next. What were their options next? What could they have done if she really was keeping the door open? What else could they have done? Well, exactly what they did. One of the officers went to the other side of the car and just grabbed her shoulders and pulled her, you know, more into the car. But they, I again, you asked before about the officer's actions. And again, they did a great job. They didn't want to hurt her. They didn't manhandle her. They did the proper thing with getting her into the back of a vehicle and then prevented her from hurting herself until, you know, they could and got her further into the car, enabling them to close the door. But again, and even

afterwards, they were calm. These guys probably had a lot of time on the job and have dealt with people like this on numerous occasions because even after the effect, they just did their job and I think they did it really well. Well, Hannah's husband, who was identified in a police report as James, we believe that's the man that we see in the video tries to intervene several times. The officers tell them to back up, it even appears to push him back at one point. That's a complicating factor. You can understand how he wants to help, but at the same time, police have to make sure that he doesn't get involved, right? I mean, what kind of impact do relatives, do bystanders have on a situation like this. Oh, you can you can become outnumbered really fast if you're a police officer,

you know, depending on who's around and how many people, you know, are in their party. So it's very important to just clear the area where there's enough room for you to affect an arrest and have no one else involved in it. And again, what a job? They could have arrested him, you know, for disorderly conduct or interfering with a police investigation or arrest. They could have done that and they didn't all they wanted to push him back get out of the area and let us do our job and move on and by the way okay hogan flanagan's resistance to being in custody or alleged resistance to being in custody apparently didn't stop once she was in the police car no a newport police report states quote sergeant lavilly booked and photographed veronica and she was searched by officer gonzalves

before being placed in cell number eight officer hudson booked and photographed hogan it should be noted that while booking Hogan, she was extremely uncooperative, berating officers, repeatedly stating her position as an A.G. And refusing to follow instructions. Hogan was eventually released with a district court summons. Now, according to arrest reports, Hogan was arrested for willful trespass, which is a misdemeanor. Hannon faces charges for disorderly conduct and resisting arrest, along with a willful trespass charge. Hogan Flanagan has worked for Attorney General Peter Naranha in Rhode Island for several years, and right now she's assigned to the appellate unit of the criminal division arguing cases in front

of the state Supreme Court. But on Tuesday, Neronha reacted to the arrest and viral video during an interview on WPR radio. And he said she made her watch the body camera footage and said she's really remorseful, takes responsibility, told WPRO that an investigation was launched within the AG's office and that he'll have to think, Hogan Flanagan's punishment will be, quote, it's just hard to find and keep capable lawyers. And I just have to think really carefully about this one, but no question, there will be a strong, strong sanction here. There will be a suspension without pay if I retain her, for sure. So she's not going to continue as if nothing happened. She's humiliated herself.

Regardless of what happens vis-a-vis her employment with us, she's going to have a long time coming back from this. It's just really unfortunate. Now, an internal review is expected to wrap up in the next few days. And NBC 10 reports that they tried reaching Hogan Flanagan by phone this week, but said the woman who answered told them no comment and hung up. Tom, should this be the end of someone's career or just a roadblock, a learning lesson? What do you think? You know what? I'm never in favor of just completely, you know, ending someone's career. But, you know, when you're in a position that she's in, in the criminal justice system you know you have to be responsible for your actions both on duty and off duty you know and

it's going to be up to i think that was well said that statement covered kind of every question that anyone would have for him and i think he did a very good job with that statement with the way it's going to perceive and his disappointment in her and going forward with an investigation which is the way it should be you know the public should not determine the employment of someone it's up to the their supervisors and bosses and the way she acted is going to, you know, come into account. And I think the statement was well said. And she's going to get hit by this for sure. It's just a matter how severe. Now, I can't talk about this without talking about something else because this, of course, is not the first time that a high profile person has been caught on camera

apparently making threats and demands because they were being held accountable for breaking the law. Remember earlier this month, Susan Dorley. announced she would resign as district attorney for Monroe County, New York after she was caught on body cam berating a police officer for trying to pull her over. The attempted traffic stop happened in April of 2024, according to a police report. Dorley was going well over the speed limit, but instead of stopping when a Webster police officer turned on his flashing lights, she just apparently kept going all the way to her house. Sorry, I'm the DA. I was going 55 coming home from work.

35. I don't really care. Okay. So you can you come, can you please come over here? You're on, this is on a traffic stop, ma'am. Yes, it is. You can call Dennis Colmire right now. Okay.

I'm telling you why I stopped you. You didn't stop at all. Did you not hear my lights or sirens or anything? No, I didn't actually. I was on the phone. Okay. Well, you're not supposed to be on the phone while you're driving either. Yes, I am with the hands free, absolutely.

Okay. Why are you so upset at me? I'm doing my job. You, you just admitted to me that you were going to admitted to me that you were going 55 and a 35 on Phillips Road. Can you please tell me to leave me alone? It's... Officer Krista Foley.

Can you stay over here, ma'am? No, I'm not staying over here. This is a legal traffic stop. Do you have your ID? No, it's in my purse. Here. You have your purse right there. No, this is my lunch.

Would you talk to your... Talk to Dennis. This is ridiculous. Just go away. Hello, sir. Good. Ma'am, can you please stay at the back... Can you...

Ma'am, this is legal traffic stop. Can you please... Please stay over here. No. No. Hey baby, get you a little guy out of here. Sir, I stopped her for going 55 and a 35 on Phillips Road. I'm Philip Stroke.

And she failed to stop. She drove all the way back home and parked in her drive. And now she's not, she's not complying with any of my commands. Ma'am, do not go inside. Oh my God. Yep. Yep. All right.

Ma'am, come outside. You can't just go inside. This is a traffic stop. Here's your phone back. I understand the law better than you. 9.5.3. Can you have a supervisor come to the scene? No.

Get out of my. I don't know why you're acting like this towards me. Can you please go to the back of the vehicle? I'm not going to. I'm home. I was going. I was, okay, 55. I don't care if you got home.

You were supposed to stop at Phillips Road when I pulled you over. When my lights were initiated. I didn't know you were stopping me. There was lots other people in the road. I was right behind you. Yeah, there were other people on the road, too. Okay, I was directly behind you. I'm not dealing with you right now.

Can you please step over here? I'm not going to. What is the reason you're so against what I'm doing? I'm doing my job. You say you're a DA? I am the DA. Okay. Okay, let me get you my badge.

I am the DA in the of my road town. I just don't understand the hostility towards me. I'm doing my job. No, you're being... How am I being a . I am the DA of Monroe County. I understand that. But that doesn't give you a right to go 55 and a 35.

And you even admitted to me that you went 50... I understand that, ma'am. I don't really care. I understand that. You know what? If you give me a traffic ticket, that's fine. I'm the one who prosecutes it, okay? Just go ahead and do it. Go ahead.

Just come outside over here. No, I'm not going outside. Okay. I'm waiting for you just to leave. I'm having a supervisor come because that's what my chief told me to do. Do you have your driver's license? I just showed you my driver's license. You show me your badge.

Thank you, seven four. Really? When EMS, a 14-year-old having a seizure, 200 East River Road, Hermit 200 on the third floor. Because I was going to 55, uptold. uptoes whether she's a DA and I was just trying to pull into my driveway I was on the phone with Dennis Kolmire saying would you please tell the person is following me that I said just ma'am ma'am I understand you were going home but I

started my lights back at Phillips Road on Phillips Road yes and there were other cars I was right behind you directly behind you at the end listen you the end of the day go ahead if you want to write me a traffic ticket that's okay at the end of the day at the end of the day I was stopping you for speed if you just stopped I've been dealing with you know I get it and I get it we have bed days also ma'am we have bad days also I'm gonna just add it to the job real quick you can just go and actually add it you don't have to use the error At the end of the day, I was just making a traffic cell, doing my job, what I was supposed to do.

Well, fine. Thank you. Okay. So now, supervisors on his way, and then we'll go from there. What's what supervisor is going to have here? Huh? Who? Who? I understand you had to, like, I get it.

We all have bad days at work. I'm going to go in the house. Seriously. This is ridiculous. This is a traffic stop. And you, out of everyone, should know that if there's a legal traffic stop, which I have, I have the right to detain you and until this is done. Then just write me at the .

I really don't care. Yeah. Well, after the video of her behavior went quite viral, Dorley put out a statement, kind of downplaying what happened. And New York's commission on prosecutorial misconduct recommended that Dorley be publicly censured for her conduct. A report from the commission shows that Dorley acknowledged her behavior warranted censure,

and she said she planned to resign. And now we know when that's going to happen. Spectrum News 1 reports. Dorley sent the letter to Governor Kathy Hokels, saying her last day will be August 31st. She also announced her decision in the Monroe County District Attorney's Office Weekly newsletter, saying this decision did not come easily, but as I recently turned 62, I know that this is the right time for me, for my family, and for all of you. She went on to say the people of Monroe County have seen me at my best and worst,

and even when I've made mistakes, you never stopped holding me accountable or giving me grace. Tom, first of all, so important to have body worn camera because if you didn't, it would be her word, right? The DA versus this police officer, but I got to say the arrogance there is just on a whole other level. What was your takeaway from that? Oh, it's disgraceful. You know, you have a cop who's just, again, he kept saying it, just doing his job. And it would have taken again, just like the past videos and this video, if she pulled over

would take in five minutes and over. That's it. Just comply with what the law is and what officers are doing. But the arrogance, like you said, and the entitlement of, look who I am, you're nothing, I'm important, you know, and I'm not going to obey anything that goes on with the law. And then she starts telling that she's the DA. And you would think she would know better, like he said, in what police officers are doing every day and just comply. It's very simple. It would have taken five minutes out of her day to just explain what happened. Maybe there was a good explanation for what she was, you know, speeding. Officers have the discretion to either write a summons or not.

So she may have gotten off with no summons and just a warning if she just complied and acted like a human being instead of just the entitlement that she did. And by the way, if she went into her house and wasn't getting out for that traffic stuff, the officer would be within his rights to go within his authority to go into the house he would i mean i wouldn't for a traffic stop for a crime you know a you know pursuit or something like that that's different would i personally walk into someone's house uh for a traffic stop no uh but you know that officer has the right to do what he's doing to make sure you know at that point is she getting a weapon you know you have no idea so you know the act of going in the house would be okay but you know you would hope it doesn't come to that and you could tell

at some point the reality of it said in that she knew she was wrong but she just kept it up anyway you know write the summons right any other summons you want to add to it because of what was going on and let her deal with it and i think the right thing is done she's going to resign and that's going to be the end of it because again just you have to be held accountable at a high standard of off-duty and on-duty actions. We're going to miss her. We're going to miss her a lot. It's going to be tough without her, but we'll try to carry on. Tom Smith, thank you so much for coming on. Everybody, check out the Gold Shield Show. Thank you, my friend. Thank you, Jess. So always a pleasure.

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