Law&Crime Sidebar - P. Diddy Trades Baby Oil for Prison Dinner This Christmas

Episode Date: December 25, 2025

Sean "Diddy" Combs is spending his first Christmas as a convicted felon behind bars at FCI Fort Dix in New Jersey. Combs is serving out a multi-year prison sentence after being convicted of transportation to engage in prostitution charges. Law&Crime’s Jesse Weber welcomes back prison consultant Justin Paperny to discuss what the holiday season is really like for the incarcerated.PLEASE SUPPORT THE SHOW:Join CROWDHEALTH and say goodbye to insurance headaches. Use code SIDEBAR to get your first 3 months for only $99/month at https://joincrowdhealth.com  HOST:Jesse Weber: https://twitter.com/jessecordweberLAW&CRIME SIDEBAR PRODUCTION:YouTube Management - Bobby SzokeVideo Editing - Michael Deininger, Christina O'Shea, Alex Ciccarone, & Jay CruzScript Writing & Producing - Savannah Williamson & Juliana BattagliaGuest Booking - Alyssa Fisher & Diane KayeSocial Media Management - Vanessa BeinSTAY UP-TO-DATE WITH THE LAW&CRIME NETWORK:Watch Law&Crime Network on YouTubeTV: https://bit.ly/3td2e3yWhere To Watch Law&Crime Network: https://bit.ly/3akxLK5Sign Up For Law&Crime's Daily Newsletter: https://bit.ly/LawandCrimeNewsletterRead Fascinating Articles From Law&Crime Network: https://bit.ly/3td2IqoLAW&CRIME NETWORK SOCIAL MEDIA:Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lawandcrimeTwitter: https://twitter.com/LawCrimeNetworkFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/lawandcrimeTwitch: https://www.twitch.tv/lawandcrimenetworkTikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@lawandcrimeSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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sidebar at join crowdhealth.com crowd health it's not insurance you can opt out this is how we win join crowdhealth.com well instead of jet setting off to a tropical location or entertaining his kids at one of his many properties sean didy combs is celebrating the holidays at a federal prison in new jersey it is his first christmas as a convicted felon and his first christmas at the FCI Fort Dix. Combs was sentenced to 50 months in prison after his conviction on two counts of transportation to engage in prostitution,

so it's about four years, but with credit for time served. Now, I will tell you, in a little bit, I am going to be speaking with somebody who is apparently consulting with Diddy right now in prison. But in the months leading up to his trial in New York City, Combs was housed at the MDC, the Metropolitan Detention Center out in Brooklyn.

This is a notorious jail of more than 1,000 inmates that has been plagued with issues for years. Violence, deplorable conditions, smuggling of contraband like drugs. There's a lack of manpower, apparently. But after the jury handed down their decision, so acquitting the 56-year-old of racketeering and sex trafficking charges, the highest counts that he was facing,

Judge Arun-subramanian imposed the sentence, and Combs was then transferred to Fort Dix, this minimum security prison that his legal team had requested be his home for the foreseeable future. In an October 6 letter to the court, one of Combs' attorneys, Tenny Garagos, wrote, on behalf of Mr. Combs, we respectfully request that the court strongly recommend a designation facility to the Bureau of Prisons in Mr. Combs' judgment in order to address drug abuse issues and to maximize family visitation and rehabilitative efforts, we request that the court strongly recommend to the Bureau of Prisons that Mr. Combs be placed at FCI Fort Dix for Ardap purposes and any other available educational and occupational programs.

What's Ardap? Well, Ardop stands for residential drug abuse program. It's available only to federal prison inmates who have at least two years left on their sentence. According to CBS News, Combs was accepted into an ADAP and is, quote, an active participant. So according to federal regulations, to qualify for this program, inmates have to have a verifiable substance use disorder. They have to enter the program voluntarily, and they have to complete three components of that program. The first is a unit-based component, which requires inmates to complete a course provided by the Psychology Services Department. During that time, the inmates live separately from the general population.

From there, the next stage involves follow-up services, and the third component is referred to as community treatment services or CTS. It's like a halfway house or something similar where former incarcerated people reintegrate into society while still having some sort of supervision. Now, it's our understanding that RDAP offers incentives. The regulations indicate there could be limited financial awards and other local incentives that can vary by institution like preferred living quarters or special recognition or privileges. But completing a residential drug abuse program, RAP, can even knock time off your sentence. So you can see how it's an attractive option. Now, we've heard about Coem's alleged drug use in the past, even by the way, from his own lips. You might remember back in May of 2024, so this is months after his ex, Cassandra Ventura,

filed a multi-million dollar lawsuit against him that was ultimately settled, where this kicked off a cascade of sexual assault allegations. There was that explosive surveillance video that was published, that was distributed, that was released. This is the now infamous footage where it shows Combs kicking and dragging Cassie as he tried to leave the Intercontinental Hotel in Los Angeles back in 2016. Cassie has contended that she was trying to escape from a so-called freak-off, you know, these prolonged marathon-like sex sessions where she was required. required to be intimate with a male sex worker or combs, sometimes both, while high on drugs like ecstasy. But when Combs realized that she had left, he comes running down the hallway, only

wearing a towel, apparently trying to bully Cassie into returning to the room. That is until hotel security intervened. Now, that video spread like wildfire. It was seen by people all over the world. And some members of the public who had previously stood behind Combs, questioned Cassie's narrative in her lawsuit. There was a big change. Those who were saying, you know, these allegations, of him being violent and abusive, they were total falsehoods, started to falter, right? Started to change once that video came out. And going back to what I was mentioning, it was at this point that Combs posted an apology video to Instagram where he talked about drug abuse.

It's so difficult to reflect on the darkest times in your life. Sometimes you gotta do that. I was f*** up. I mean, I hit rock by. I mean I hit rock bottom, but I make no excuses. My behavior on that video is inexcusable. I take full responsibility for my actions in that video. Disgusted.

I was disgusted then when I did it. I'm disgusted now. I went and I sought out professional help. I had to go into therapy and go into rehab. Had to ask God for his mercy and grace. I'm so sorry. But I'm committed to be a better man he's in every day. I'm not asking for forgiveness.

I'm truly sorry. And we also heard about Combs drug use multiple times during his federal criminal trial. One of the witnesses called by the prosecution was Brendan Paul. He was accused of essentially being a, quote, drug mule for Sean Combs. This was after his arrest at Miami Opelaca Airport in 2024. It was on the same day that Combs' properties in Miami and Los Angeles were raided by Homeland Security. Paul was found to be in possession of cocaine and marijuana-laced candy. Now, at trial, he testified that Combs had not instructed

him to bring drugs onto the plane. Claims that he had just forgotten the drugs were in his bag. But he testified that it was loyalty that kept him from telling police the drugs weren't his. And when asked on the stand about how he feels about Sean Combs, he said it's complicated. As part of a plea deal, the charge for having the marijuana candy was dropped. Paul entered a drug diversion program, which is often offered to first-time offenders. And he was given immunity in exchange for his testimony. So nothing he said at trial could be used against him as long as it was true. During his testimony, Paul had this exchange with a prosecutor, quote, Mr. Paul,

were you ever instructed to obtain drugs for Mr. Combs? I was. Who instructed you to obtain drugs for Mr. Combs? He did himself or other assistance. What types of drugs did you buy for Mr. Combs? Marijuana, 2C, cocaine, ketamine, ecstasy. And when asked to explain what 2C is, he said it's basically just ketamine and Somalian powder form dyed paying for the aesthetic. Later, the prosecution asked, how did you,

other assistants obtained drugs for Mr. Combs? Paul replied, we would text the drug dealer, and then the drug dealer would come to either of the homes. Now, I have to mention this as we're talking about Combs behind bars. There is something that could jeopardize Combs' admission to a drug treatment program. Bad behavior. There has been some back and forth about infractions that Combs has allegedly committed. You know, TMZ reported that Combs was caught with homemade alcohol, something that Combs team has adamantly denied. Now, CBS News, news, reports that it has seen Bureau of Prisons documents that show Combs was part of a three-way call in November, something that is not allowed because of concerns about things like witness tampering

or conducting criminal business from inside the prison. But Combs and his team apparently told prison officials that he was on a call with his attorney who added one of his heads of communication to give the okay to a statement that they wanted to release. Combs also claims that no one told him about the regulations on the phone calls and he never got the prison admission and orientation handbook. This is again according to CBS. But the paperwork allegedly contains a recommendation that Combs lose 90 days of phone and commissary privileges. It's unclear if that punishment actually happened. But Combs is keeping busy while he serves his sentence. Let's talk about that. So apparently he's gotten a job as a chaplain's assistant at Fort Dix. This is according to his publicist. A former commissioner told CBS News that it's

one of the most wanted jobs in the institution. He gets to apparently work in a private office. There's air conditioning, he can eat food that's brought in for religious services. A corrections officer told the outlet that the chapel is one of the only places that inmates can congregate freely, that assistants are allowed to prepare a call-out list, which tells corrections officers who's allowed to leave their cells. Assistance could potentially add their friends to that list. But Combs is also apparently taking care of outside business from behind bars too. Yeah, just before Thanksgiving, his legal team alerted the court that Combs had paid the fines that he owed as part of his conviction and sentence. Quote, on October 16, 2025, this court entered an amended

judgment imposing a $200 special assessment and a $500,000 fine to be paid in full, not later than 60 days after the date of sentencing. We respectfully submit this letter to inform the court that Mr. Combs paid the fine and special assessment to the Southern District of New York cashier on November 24th, 2025. We talk about Combs behind bars. We also have to talk about an appeal because as Combs works to shave off as much of his sentence as he can with good behavior and completion of the intensive drug program. His attorneys are working to not only get him out of prison, but also get his conviction thrown out. October 22nd, Combs' legal team filed a criminal appeal on his behalf with the Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit. They requested

an expedited appeal, hoping to get Combs out of prison as soon as possible. They provided the court with a proposed schedule and said the government had no objection, and I'll tell you what, on November 3rd, Circuit Judge Beth Robinson filed this order. Appellant moves to expedite the appeal on the following schedule. Appellant's opening brief and appendix due by December 23rd, 2025, the government's brief due by February 20th, 2026, appellant's reply brief due by March 13th, 2026, and oral argument in April of 26. It is hereby ordered that the motion is granted.

Yeah, so we'll be on the lookout for that one as well. Okay. In the meantime, what do Combs' holidays look like now that he's in fact? federal prison. Well, the multimillionaire won't be able to spend it like you used to, but there are special meals and activities that inmates can participate in. In fact, Combs apparently teamed up with an internal group called bankroll bosses to help organize and fund a special meal for his fellow inmates. According to a report from Us Weekly, the group volunteered to buy food from the prison's commissary, but they didn't just buy it. No, they reportedly spent two days preparing all of this

food for these inmates. And all the outlet reports that a thousand inmates were served. Now, Combs gave this quote to us weekly through his spokesperson, quote, Thanksgiving to me is about making sure other people eat. Everybody misses their family. People get depressed during the holidays. We just wanted to come together as a family and do our own thing. Now, there's no word on what exactly Combs and other inmates purchased from the commissary to make this meal, but it is apparently a very nice gesture regardless. According to TMZ, the Christmas menu at Fort Dix includes a whole cornish hen, mashed potatoes, cornbread dressing, mix of vegetables, but now I want to bring on a very special guest. Okay, so now I want to welcome back on

prison consultant, Justin Perperny. And I want to welcome back on not just because I love having Justin on, but Justin, you are now working with Sean Combs and his team while he's in prison. Can you talk to us a little bit more about that? Well, I've had a connection through a mutual friend with Sean for many years. And when you're in custody, when you're sitting in segregation, it can change you and you want to learn. So our mutual friend, a while back, sent him a book called Earning Freedom that was written by my friend, Michael Santos, who I met in prison, who mentored me, and Michael spent a year in segregation before he was convicted and served a long time in prison. So our friend thought that book could help him get through his own crisis. And when you're in

prison, you relate to people who are enduring a similar crisis. So I was very encouraged when she sent the book and he read the book and said, I can't change what's happened. But I'd like begin to use this experience as an opportunity to help people in prison. So through prison professors charitable corporation, which does work in every BOP prison, it does work in a lot of state facilities as well, he has begun to document and say, how can I use this experience as a way to help people. And the beauty of that is, you read these interviews about people in prison, even people who have been in Fort Dix. We have other people in our community at Fort Dix. And the common refrain in prison is, it's boring. The days feel like Groundhog Day. It doesn't have to be, right?

can be incredibly productive, and you can get there by learning from other people and beginning to document the journey. So that's how the relationship began, and it's really an emphasis on using the experience productively, recognizing you can't change what led to this 15-month sentence right now, but he can change how he responds. And when you do that, you bring a lot of meaning to your own prison term. The days don't feel long and boring. And you also begin to help other people. And regardless of how you feel about Sean Combs, you can't deny that he has an ability to inspire and help other people, and he's beginning to do that on the inside. And I think that's wonderful. So I'll always be grateful our friends sent him a copy of earning freedom. And he went through it

and he's learning from it. He's implementing the strategies we teach. What are some of the ways that he's helping? I mean, I mentioned before that he has this specific position as a chaplain's assistant, helped with Thanksgiving meals. What else is he doing to help his inmates? So there are some people in prison who they just continue to play the victim. It's not their fault. They've been harmed. The prosecutors are looking to advance their career. Everyone has an agenda.

And it would have been a shame I expressed to the team if he didn't use the experience to focus on the good that he can do. So how can he be a value to people? When a prisoner is getting ready for their release from prison, do you know what it's like before you go home from prison, Jesse? Do you know the anxiety someone faces? They're scared. Yeah, they're scared. You're a convicted felon. You've been debanked. You can't get a license. You might not be able to get housing. You might be unemployable. You don't have a documented record that shows why you're a candidate for a second chance. So clearly, given his business skill set, his success, rather than lament about the unfairness and blame everybody, he said, I'm here. I'm going to use the experience productively. Well, how do you do that? You do what he began to do before he got even sentenced to prison. And I think his lawyers did a good job of expressing to the judge how he used his time and detention at MDC. well, by mentoring other prisoners, what would you like to do when you come home? Well, how do you

develop that? How do you build that? What relationships do you need? What education do you need to develop? Is there value in documenting that journey? So when you come home, you just don't tell someone, I've earned a second chance. People are going to say, I want to see it. Help me understand it. So as I came to say, and I had confirmation of this before our team began to guide him through the nonprofit, he's helping people understand how they can use their time productively. He's using his business skill set in mind to help people use their prison term more productively. And I think that's wonderful. And it gets in the way of this message of it's boring. There's nothing you can do in prison. It's complete. It's not true. It can be a really incredible productive experience if you

find perspective and recognize there's value you can provide. No, I completely understand that. Did he give you, though, any indication about how he's doing there? Is he scared? Is he miserable? I mean, you talk about doing productive work, how it can. make the days go by in a more, you know, positive way. But has he given you any indication about what his life is like there? There's no way to spin that being in prison is, is difficult. Being in a low security prison is hard. Being separated from your family is difficult. And spending time in prison during the holidays is hard. That's hard for any federal prisoners. So certainly there are sad and down days. But I think there's been this shift. And I think

it's helped learning from people who have gone through it. Not me. I served one year at a minimum security camp 16 years ago. Like Sean, like me, can benefit from someone like Michael who did 26 years and has such credibility inside of every single prison because he did it. Michael's touring all of these prisons. He'll speak at Fort Dick. Sean will be there. So rather than just lament over how sad it can be and it can be for any prisoner, he's using the experience to be productive, avoiding problems, doing his job, exercising, managing your diet as best you possibly can. And then when you respond appropriately, you begin to focus on what remains. And I sort of think that's where he is because on a 15-month sentence with time served and

programming, it begins to hit you like, this is going to be over pretty quickly. But a lot of my brothers on this inside, especially in a low-security prison, Jesse, have 12, 15, 18 years left. So certainly it's difficult. But when you compare it to so much of what's around him, people who have been in and out of the system, who have not had opportunities that he would acknowledge he had, you begin to say, the time is going to begin to serve me. This is an opportunity. And I have no doubt, and I can confidently say the time is beginning to serve him. And in so doing, he's beginning to

help other people. And I believe you're going to begin to see more documentation, what he's actually doing. So we're not just talking about it because it feels very good to say, I want to help people. What does that mean? I want to change people's life. What does that mean? We want to begin to develop it, build a record to show the result of that work. And through the nonprofit, he's going to be in a position to do that. And that's how you get through the holidays in prison. You recognize it will end and use the experience to benefit other people. And I know prisoners around him appreciate it because I've heard it from myriad people. Let me ask you this. And I was hoping you can clarify. I mentioned before the allegations that he had broken BOP rules, whether it was making alcohol

or was engaging in a three-way phone call. Is there any clarity you can provide to that, those accusations? Here's what I can tell you, because I've been to prison, and I know disciplinary infractions, and our team has people in our community in every prison and probably most low security prison as well. If you get caught drinking in prison, Jesse, let me tell you what happens. You're going to lose all your good time. You're going to go to the hole for a long, long time.

And he'd be in a medium security prison right now. So just because someone says it in an article doesn't mean that it's true, it's a significant disciplinary infraction. I can't comment to any other disciplinary infraction and what he's been charged with. I know if there was a significant disciplinary infraction, drinking, iPhones, crazy things that can exist inside of these minimum security prisons or low security prisons. He would not be standing for count at Fort Dix using his time productively, using his time in the afternoon to help people, help other prisoners prepare,

read, document the journey. That much I can tell you. Can you tell me what his life would be like as an assistant to the prison chaplain and being a part of this ARDAP program. I mentioned a little bit before, but what does that mean for him? Well, there's a lot of good programs in the Federal Bureau of Prisons, and the ARDAP program is an excellent program. It's a nine-month, 500-hour program.

There are certain stages. Upon completion of the program, you are able to earn up to 12 months off your sentence. People who succeed through the program, it's not just a fixation on getting the time off. It's what can you learn from it. How can you benefit? that how can you change some patterns in the past that might have led you to the wrong side of prison boundaries? So it's a phenomenal program.

People who aren't even pursuing R-DAP to get the time off still wish they could do the program. That's why there's a program called the non-residential drug abuse program. So certainly he's engaged in as much programming as possible, both to learn to qualify for potential credits. It also helps pass the time. There's only so much you can exercise, read, write, sleep, and federal prison. So programming is essential, but here's something that's important. It's not enough to just say, I went through programming. I mean, why did you go through it?

What did you learn? Same thing with the book report, right? He wrote a report about earning freedom. Why did he read it? What did he learn from it? How do I relate to someone who served time in prison? You don't excel in prison by doing what's required, avoiding disciplinary fractions and going to programming. That is not extraordinary.

I think he's striving to be extraordinary, compelling, and only then do you have authority to actually help other people? I think part of the reason Michael Santos has authority is because he did it. It's documented. You can't fake it. to his job, I can't tell you that it's terribly tedious. You do tasks that you're asked to do that could be sweeping the floor, filing, responding to various things, emptying the trash. The key thing is you do it. You'd be surprised how many people in a low security prison or camp outsource their job, pay someone to do their job, and that could lead to just really unfortunate circumstances.

But again, just because he's working and going to programming, that is not exceptional. It's required. I think it's the things he's doing on top of that to try to help other people. And I believe you're going to begin to see more of that in the weeks and months so you can hold him accountable. It's one thing to say it. It's another thing to actually do it. And I think that's where things are going to change. And there's a lot of eyes on him regardless. You know, one of the things we started with, what is his life like during the holidays? Christmas being spent at Fort Dix especially. Can you tell us what to expect there? Well, Michael served 10 years at Fort Dix, and he would probably tell you Fort Dix low is no different than any low security prison across the country. There are people that,

thousands of people coming in and out of this institution, many of them getting ready to go home and excited, many scared, many of them don't have the ability to visit because their family can't afford it, can't even make phone calls because it's too expensive or send an email because it's five cents a minute. So time in prison can be terribly difficult, and it really amplifies during the holiday season.

It really, you can feel incredibly lonely, and there's no doubt that he may have those feelings, and then you begin to think at some point it's going to end. experience is going to be over soon enough. And the goal for him or any prisoner, this was my goal, you don't let it amount to a life sentence, which it can be for so many people, don't let 50 months or 18 months, or Michael served 26 years. And now he's implementing our programs, the nonprofit programs, in every prison. You want to use the experience, you know, productively. But there's no way to spend the holidays. It can feel lonely. It's very hard. Visitation is not always what it's

cracked up to be in prison because you get bad news, right? We don't have money to pay the bills. There's tough things going on at home. You're a father. You're not here to lead visitation during the holidays people think would be wonderful. It isn't always wonderful. So to the extent that he can adjust well and help others adjust well, it makes a brutal, awful situation more palatable. It's difficult to serve time and holidays in prison. I'm grateful I only had to do it once. Yeah. And talking about visitation, do you know who's visiting him? family, friends. Can you share anything like that? I would encourage any prisoner, including Sean Holmes, to use their visitation time

productively. You'll have Saturdays and Sundays. You can be together from 845 or 9 until 3, and you can embrace at the beginning and end of the visit. And it's a wonderful opportunity to visit with friends, with family, to talk about what do you do next? I would tell anyone going to prison. Family knows when you visit if you're actually doing the work. You can kind of fake it through email, you can kind of fake it on a phone call. But when you're together for six or eight hours in a visitation, Jesse, they're going to know how you're adjusting. Are you doing what you say you are going to do? Are you, as he read earning freedom, a book that inspired him to like, I want to earn my way out of here. I want to help other people. You're able to see it. So I encourage him

or anyone to visit, to use the time productively, because as you know, you don't know, thankfully, but for someone who's been to prison, imprisonment is harder on those that love and support you. and it's a wonderful opportunity during a visitation to lead. This is what I'm doing. This is what I'm documenting and what I'll continue to do. And I will say, when I went to prison, nobody knew me. So it was very easy. So I began to document my journey.

You see some of my books and prison journal behind me. But it was easier to do with no scrutiny. But when you do it with this level of scrutiny, everyone paying attention to every move, it's harder, but that's the responsibility that comes with it. So I suspect when friends and family visit him, they're inspired and encouraged by how he's responding to a really difficult situation, but not through talk, through action. And that's the accountability metric over time will help. It's not, it's one thing to say you're going to help people in custody. It's another thing to actually do it and document it. And like I said earlier,

I suspect you'll see the results of that work. It's definitely a very, very good point that you made, that the people who have big family, big support system, friends on the outside, it can't be incredibly difficult being away from them. There was one more part about this. I was curious about a lot of people can, you know, curious about it, is the celebrity aspect, right? So there should be known that Sean Combs is not the first celebrity to call Fort Dick's home. You have Joe Judice, who spent some time there. He, along with his then wife, Real Housewives of New Jersey Star, Teresa, Judeyce, they pleaded guilty in 2014 to bankruptcy, mail, wire fraud charges, a tax charge for Joe. Teresa was sentenced to 15 months in prison. Joe got 41 months. And after

his release, according to Newsweek, he was deported back to Italy because he'd been brought to the United States as a baby by his parents never got citizenship. But the outlet reports that Judice has been relocated to the Bahamas. And by the way, you probably remember this guy, Farmerbro, real name Martin Shirelli, he made headlines in 2015 when his pharmaceutical firm attamed the manufacturing license for a drug that they then increased from $13.50 a pill to $750 a pill. At 2017, he was convicted in federal court for defrauding investors. He served part of his seven-year sentence at Fort Dix. I mean, Justin, big picture here, do celebrities do noteworthy individuals, do they get different kind of treatment in Fort Dix or in prisons?

It's harder to go to prison as a celebrity because you probably have half the population that are going to lionize and love you and admire you, including some staff. The other half of the population may loathe or hate you. We've worked with probably most celebrities who have gone in and you find half are going to loathe and hate you because of the attention. They may deduce you've got a shorter sentence because of the lawyers that you've hired, the relationships that you have, your access. Some prisoners, of course, aren't going to care.

Some may be off put that this high-profile prisoner is disrupting their routine. It's more the reason, if you go in high-profile, that you've got to study your environment and not seek to manipulate this environment. You've got to lay-low. You've got to adjust. You've got to do your job. You've got to not cut in line when going to the chow-hall. You've got to be respectful and embrace the idea, especially in low-security prison.

and people have lived here for weeks, months, decades, and years, and all eyes will be on you. So from what I've heard, he's adjusted well. There's a sense of humility and celebrating people's birthdays and singing together and embracing people's ideas and giving them advice, which is tricky when you are a celebrity and you have business expertise because you do have to be careful about giving unsolicited advice to someone in prison, especially when they didn't ask for it. So you have to manage, it's a little bit tricky there. So people ask him, he's able to offer that advice. So I would argue based on the celebrities with whom our team has worked, he's adjusted well, he's avoiding problems, and the perspective changed.

I don't think it's anything other than reading a great book, the idea that you should be productive in prison, earn freedom, don't do what's required, be exceptional, be extraordinary. And regardless of how you feel about him, it's hard to not agree that for a large portion of his life, he was exceptional. Now he's just channeling that in a different direction, helping his brothers in prison and use the time productively. So there can be a target on your back if you're a celebrity. Too many, in my opinion. Not all, but some come home and they lament. They complain. They excuse. And they miss a golden opportunity, Jesse. To use their platform as an opportunity to bring more attention to this system. I think we send too many people to prison. Recidivism rates are too high. Too many people leave. They go back. They miss an opportunity to use their experience. to change the lives of millions of people. And I think in getting invested with prison professors charitable corporation,

which influences millions of people in prison, has a platform in the BOP. It's an opportunity for him to say, I can use my skill set because I'm doing the work, leverage off this nonprofit that helps millions of people. I suspect when he comes home, that will be the message being focused on the good, what he learned, how he helped, rather than my opinion, what too many people do. They play the victim. And they don't recognize they have it better than most. Don't talk about your injustice. You have resources, job. Talk about the injustice you see on the inside that your brother in the chow hall or someone you walk the track with has 14 years left to serve. How are we helping him develop values and skills to emerge successfully? That is what I know he's beginning to do. And it all started because he read a book. We encourage everyone to read literature that relates to the life they'd like to live. And I suspect he's going to do it. But like I tell everyone, we'll see accountability measures. Let's hold him and everyone going through this process accountable.

Well, for now, Sean Combs release is scheduled for June 4th, 2028. According to the Bureau of Prisons, we will see what happens next for him and his life behind bars. Justin Perperney, thank you so much for coming on. Really appreciate you sharing your experience with Sean Combs, talking to us about what he's doing, talking to us what we can expect. Really appreciate it and good seeing you. Happy holidays, bud, thank you. That's all we have for you right now here on Sidebar, everybody.

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