Law&Crime Sidebar - Pooh Shiesty's Fiery Attorney Slams Gucci Mane Kidnapping Claims

Episode Date: April 13, 2026

Rapper Pooh Shiesty's attorney, Bradford Cohen, joins Sidebar to discuss the federal charges of kidnapping and robbery allegedly involving rapper Gucci Mane. He and Law&Crime’s Jesse Weber break down the government's evidence, including surveillance footage, location data from Williams Jr.'s ankle monitor, and social media posts allegedly showing stolen property.PLEASE SUPPORT THE SHOW:Download the FREE Upside App at  https://upside.app.link/sidebar to get an extra 25 cents bonus for every gallon on your first tank of gas.HOST:Jesse Weber: https://twitter.com/jessecordweberLAW&CRIME SIDEBAR PRODUCTION:YouTube Management - Bobby SzokeVideo Editing - Michael Deininger, Christina O'Shea, Alex Ciccarone, & Jay CruzScript Writing & Producing - Savannah Williamson & Juliana BattagliaGuest Booking - Alyssa Fisher & Diane KayeSocial Media Management - Vanessa BeinSTAY UP-TO-DATE WITH THE LAW&CRIME NETWORK:Watch Law&Crime Network on YouTubeTV: https://bit.ly/3td2e3yWhere To Watch Law&Crime Network: https://bit.ly/3akxLK5Sign Up For Law&Crime's Daily Newsletter: https://bit.ly/LawandCrimeNewsletterRead Fascinating Articles From Law&Crime Network: https://bit.ly/3td2IqoLAW&CRIME NETWORK SOCIAL MEDIA:Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lawandcrimeTwitter: https://twitter.com/LawCrimeNetworkFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/lawandcrimeTwitch: https://www.twitch.tv/lawandcrimenetworkTikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@lawandcrimeSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Remember how we covered the breaking news of rapper Poushyshi. Getting arrested on allegations that he partook in a kidnapping and robbery of reportedly Gucci, Maine and others at a studio in Texas? Well, we now have Pushiasty's attorney, Bradford Cohen, right here on Sidebar. He's representing him in this new criminal case. I want to find out his responses to the government's claims, the government's purported evidence, and how his client is currently doing. Welcome to Sidebar, presented by Law and Crime. I'm Jesse Weber. Okay, real quick, before we go any further.

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QR code, but make sure to use promo code sidebar because you get an extra 25 cents bonus on every gallon on your first tank of gas. Hope you can check it out. So it was last week that we covered the breaking news about the arrest of all these people that the fed say were involved in this alleged robbery and kidnapping of rapper Gucci, Maine and others. But now we have the attorney for one of the suspects, rapper Pushai. In fact, as the Department of Justice puts it in their release to give you an idea about what we're talking about here. Quote, nine individuals, including well-known musical artists, were federally charged for kidnapping and robbing a gunpoint,

numerous victims at a music studio in Dallas, Texas, announced United States Attorney for the Northern District of Texas, Ryan Rayboldt. Eight of the nine were arrested in Dallas, Texas, and Memphis, Tennessee, and the charged defendants include Lantrell Williams Jr., aka Poo Shihistee, Lantrell Williams, Sr., Rodney Wright Jr., aka Big 30, Cadarius Waters, Terence Rogers,

De Marion Gibson, DeMarcus Glover, Corday Johnson, Daring McDaniel. Oh, and remember how I said eight out of nine? Well, we have an update. The FBI's Atlanta office apparently confirmed to CBS News, this is per reporting from the St. Louis American, that the ninth suspect, Terrence Rogers, was arrested at an Atlanta home by the violent crime squad. Okay, so I want to go piece by piece on this with Pushaisee's attorney, renowned criminal defense lawyer to the stars, friend of the show, Bradford Cohen,

in Bradford, always good to see you. Thanks for taking the time. Always good to be here. Always good to be here. Now, first of all, for people to know, you previously represented Pusha Isdi, and we're going to go through this more specifically, but just your general thoughts on this case when the news broke. General thoughts are, you know, I also like Gucci-Maine a lot, the alleged victim in this case. I mean, I've worked with him a lot in the past. I worked with him on Push-Sci's first case. I think he was the reason why I got involved in the first case. The whole thing is kind of

really a shame because I think there's a lot that can be done with both Poo and Gucci going forward. I thought they both were going to really make a lot of money and do really well because I think that there is just a lot there in terms of talent between the two of them. So I was disappointed to hear Gucci's side of the story and I wanted to find out more when I first heard about it. And we're going to go through that. We'll go through the little bit of the prior case because it affects this one. We'll talk about the nature of the relationship. But first, just the current status of your client, because I understand a judge ruled that he has to stay detained. He's in custody right now. Is that true? Correct. So what happened was the government, after three or four months

of this case and investigation, they never indicted. They actually filed a complaint, which is quite unusual on a high profile case. Usually on a high profile case where you're going to do a press release, put it out there, all this information and all these different things that are going on, you usually want to have an indictment in hand, but they had a complaint. A complaint is usually done where they think there's a rush to get it done. You don't see complaints where it's usually four months of investigation. So that was unusual. And now that the complaint has been filed and he's being held no bond, now they're now seeking to get an indictment. Why do you think that is? Was it the idea of they were concerned the suspects would

leave or something would get leaked? I mean, why would they rush to do that then? I think it was, I don't know. I think that it was, it wasn't smart. I, I just never, never seen it before. I've never seen in a high profile case getting a complaint instead of getting an indictment. If I was to guess, I think it was because the individuals that were involved were not cooperating with giving statements to the FBI. They gave statements that night to the Dallas police department. But since that night, they have not given statements to the FBI. So if I was to guess, I would say they didn't want to go in front of a grand jury without any victim statements, current victim statements or current victim contact. And that was my guess at the time. And since then,

Gucci came out with a song. So I don't know what the status of cooperating is. I want to ask you that. So I clearly have a lot of to ask you. Before we get into that, how is, Poo shiasty doing. How's he doing? He's holding up. It's like any defendant, right? You know, there's ups and downs in cases. And you know this. We've been kind of talking about different cases for a very long time. And we know there's going to be high points in cases, low points in cases. So everyone deals with those things differently. Poo is, he's always have a positive attitude. I have a good conversation with him about the case, a good conversation about how we move forward from there. So he's staying positive. Just like any defendant.

should. It doesn't do you any good to get depressed or get angry about things. It's like, you know, you got to stay focused on your case. I tell all my clients that. Stay focused on the case. Make sure you're ready for war because that's basically what these cases are and just prepare yourself for that. And that's what I want to get into. I want to get into the case. I want to get into the alleged evidence that was put forward by the government and see your response to it. So according to this affidavit, I just want to set the stage here and try to understand the relationship because According to it, the government, it claims that on January 10, 2026, the alleged victims who are only identified by initials and include RD, which we have to assume is Gucci, Maine, real name, Roderick Davis, that they were allegedly robbed and kidnapped at gunpoint at a music studio in Dallas, Texas. And there was apparently a scheduled meeting between R.D. and Pushaiste, Lanshaw-Williams Jr. And apparently, Poushai, was reportedly signed to R.D.'s record label, 10-17 records.

this meeting was apparently about a contract dispute that Williams had wanted out. I throw it to you, Bradford, first. What can you tell us about that? What can you tell us about the nature of their relationship? You know, I didn't have a lot to do with like how their relationship was or was not in business. I wasn't his musical lawyer or entertainment lawyer. I know that they did have a contract together because during his first case, Gucci was very involved in terms of what's going up. on. He was concerned for how things were going in the case and how the result was going to be at the end of the day and what the result was going to be. So I knew they had a contractual relationship. And I also do a lot of work for artists that are signed to Atlantic Records. And I know that both Pooh and Gucci are signed to Atlantic Records ultimately. So how it works is usually an artist is signed to a label and then they create their own label that the head label actually owns a piece of. And then they go out and sign other It's kind of like a pyramid, except not illegal, but it's kind of like a pyramid where at the top of

the pyramid is the Atlantic Records or Sony, and then below that is usually a really big artist like Gucci or Drake or someone like that. And then that artist usually gets their own label to sign other artists. And that's kind of the relationship that they had is my understanding. Is there going to be a denial from your client that there was even a meeting scheduled for that day? Because according to authorities, they say all these parties show up to this recording studio. I'll read directly at approximately 3.43 p.m. Williams Jr., William Sr., Wright, Johnson, Waters, Rogers, Gibson, Glover, McDaniel, entered the east side of the office building. They say, according to this affidavit, there are apparent stills from surveillance footage that allegedly documents this. And we'll get into this a little bit more.

But the affidavit also says there are photos of the alleged suspects purportedly leaving the building and getting into these cars, believed to be connected to them. traveling northbound after this incident. To me, if they have the footage or the supposed is it just, I mean, the comings and going to be hard, I imagine, hard to deny that there was some sort of meeting that day, right, at the studio. So it just depends on what the evidence is going to produce. You know, like a defendant always has the right to remain silent. I always wait to see what the evidence is before I facilitate or think about a defense or what I have to hold the government to their burden, right? So the government has the burden to prove the case. I don't have to prove anything. Right. The government always has that burden. So once we get all of the discovery,

which we have not gotten, I've seen some still photos and the still photos aren't great. There's no video from inside the actual studio itself. There's some cell phone data and things of that nature that puts certain individuals within a hundred yard or 500 yard radius. I don't know what their label is yet, because again, we didn't get that discovery. But it should put those individuals in the area. And then these two vehicles that leave that area, one of the vehicles is associated with Launtrell's father, allegedly, and one of the other vehicles is associated with some other individuals

that they're making claims against. So I won't know what the specific defense is until we see all the discovery. So, yeah, if sitting here with you, you know, it could be, they have a great picture of Pushiasty walking inside the building, and you can clearly see it's him, then it would be silly to say it's not. But if they don't have that kind of evidence, if they can't produce the kind of evidence

that's needed to carry the burden, then that's something that needs to be explored. So I don't know yet. Totally fair. So in other words, you're not confirming or denying whether or not he was at the studio or whether or not there was a contract dispute

or what the nature of that day was about, right? So that's basically. And it would be irresponsible and stupid of me to say, hey, listen, we're not going to deny this. Start giving up things that I don't. know whether or not they can prove or not prove. And look, totally fair what you can and cannot say and what you want to say or not say. Totally fair.

I'm just going to go through it with you. Before we go any further, there's no secrets between us. No, no secrets. No secrets. You and I, there's no secrets. It's like this. It's like this. Which by the way, I just, before we go and more back into the government's claims, you

mentioned this alleged disc track, right? So the reports that Gucci Main allegedly recorded this disc track against Pushai. I believe it's called Crash Dummy. I'm going to read you some of the lyrics. Tell you the truth. You went out like a real crash dummy. And after all, that boy, you still signed to me. I walk in the room.

You can feel the pressure building. Blank, dat me up there. Whole time, they plodding against me. Thoughts on that? Client's thoughts on that? You know, what I was surprised at is what's not in the disc track. And what's not in the disc track is any mention of a gun, any mention of, you know, allegedly a Draco, which was used, which is a shorter version of a long AK-47.

and no mention of those things. And let me tell you, there's a lot of words that rhyme with Gun and Draco because they've been in every rap from here to Kingdom Come when you have rappers that talk about, you know, these so-called drill rappers that talk about shootings and things of that nature. So I was surprised that it didn't have more detail

in terms of like guns were used or things of that nature. I never have an opinion on someone's record or song or disc track because I feel like an artist, is going to say what an artist says, and that's from their point of view, and it's from what they feel occurred at any type of situation, or something that didn't occur

that they feel might sell records. So I don't know. So for me to say like, oh, I was worried about it, not worried about it, I just don't care. It shouldn't really come into play. So you don't think it necessarily

might be coming into evidence in any way. No, I don't think it. The only time it would come into evidence is if Gucci-Maine was to take the stand and say, I don't recall what happened that night I was on medication or I was drinking and I was on medication. I'm not positive how everything went down or something of that nature. Then the prosecutor might be able to use that in some sort of impeachment.

But other than that, it's not just coming in as evidence. If he doesn't, you know, if he says he shows up and he goes, yeah, I remember it's kind of a little hazy, but I remember some things, then it's not coming in if he testifies the way the song plays out. Let me go through the main allegations from this incident and then we'll get a little bit more into this. So there is allegedly, according to the government, an argument, and they claim it ends up with Williams Jr., again, Pushai-Ste, being accused of taking out a black AK-style pistol, pointing it at RD, presumably Gucci-Main, demanding he signed the contract release paperwork. R.D. allegedly complied, signed it. And then there is the claim that R.D. was not allowed to leave as he was held at gunpoint. So there's allegations that Wright also allegedly recorded R.D. signing the paperwork and being forced to say,

that he released Williams Jr. from the contract, and then afterwards, it's alleged that Williams Jr. took R.D.'s wedding ring and watch and earrings and cash. It was alleged that other defense took out guns to and demanded property from other alleged victims. There was an allegation that McDaniel threatened to shoot BP, that MM was choked to the point that he nearly passed out, and embedded in the complaint are what appear to be photos, allegedly showing cuts or abrasions on MM's neck and wrist. And there's also a claim that his wallet and watches, a Louis Vuitt toned bag. Headphones, they were stolen. And then I'm just going to read this part verbatim, and then we'll get into it. Quote, R.D. was pushed onto the couch in the control room,

causing the victims to believe they were going to be executed. Williams Jr. placed the barrel of a firearm to the back of BP's head and ordered him in RD to leave the control room and the studio through the west entrance of the office building. R.D. then instructed C.W. and TD to escort them to their vehicle. As the victims left, M.M. turned to Williams Jr. and asked him if they were really taking his watches. Based on later recovered surveillance, violence video footage, the target suspects left the studio and the office building through the east entrance at approximately 448 p.m. So a bunch of questions here. Bradford, I'll first start with this. If there, this alleged recording of R.D. signing the contract against his will,

what should we be thinking about that? So, so far I haven't seen the recording, nor does anyone have a copy of the recording as of now. I don't know if there ever will be a copy of that recording. there has been no copy of the alleged contract that has been signed, nor has one been provided during the bond hearing. And they have actually said they don't know if one either even exists. They suppose one exists. That's that part of it. Then the interesting part about, hey, am I really having my watches stolen?

That's kind of a weird statement to be made between these individuals. And then what I think also is really important is the sloppiness of the complaint. at the beginning of the complaint, if you read, it says this robbery occurred at approximately 4.50 p.m. at this address. Then later on in the complaint, it says they all left at 4.48 p.m. at this address. So even the sloppiness of the complaint is quite shocking when it comes to someone who's getting charged with a life felony. That's just one mistake that was made in that complaint. There's others that were made and contradictions that happened during that complaint that were very unusual. But there's also another part, they say that Lantrell, Poo, held this gun to somebody's head and said all these different things.

And then there's another part of the complaint that says, actually he told one guy, hey, put your gun down, don't shoot this guy or something like that. So there's a lot of contradicting statements that were made within the complaint, not to mention how sloppy the complaint was put together. And during the bond hearing, I think very smartly, they had the FBI agent that actually wrote that complaint. She's only been an FBI agent for three years. They had her in the courtroom, but they didn't want to put her on the stand to be cross-examined. They put another FBI agent who was like a 16-year FBI agent.

They put her on the stand to testify as to what the other FBI agent wrote in her complaint. The whole thing was quite unusual. And like I said, it's weird that they would do this without an indictment and just a complaint. But I have my suspicions as to why. Well, this goes back to something else you mentioned. It seems a lot of this is based on the witness. accounts, right? Not of what happened or allegedly happened in that studio. And you mentioned something earlier I want to explore. You're saying these alleged victims told local law enforcement what happened

or allegedly happened, but they didn't speak with the FBI. So two questions about that. One, based as far as you know, is what's listed in the government's claims. Is that accurate from the reports that were filed by local PD? And two, why wouldn't they speak to the FBI if that's true? So the first part of that is I don't know because the reports that I got from that evening from the Dallas PD are completely redacted, meaning it looks like, you know, it's a sea of black that is on these reports. So the reports from that evening don't give me a lot of detail as to what exactly was said or who said it. That's the first portion. So I can't tell you whether or not it's accurate to the complaint. I can tell you the complaint is rather sloppy in terms of.

of what each person said and where things took place. But putting that aside, that's the first part of that. Why wouldn't they talk to the FBI? It could be sometimes something happens and you feel some sort of way that night. And then time goes by and you start to consider my options and how this is going to go and that I have to be at kind of the FBI's beck and call,

subpoenaed to come to Dallas, Texas, subpoenaed on phone calls and different memorandums, and different things that going forward. And, you know, it's quite unusual. The hip-hop rap world looks at snitching in different ways. And sometimes people say everything is snitching. There's one guy who's on, he's got a podcast. He thinks everything's snitching.

You know, if you plea, it's snitching. If you do this, it's snitching. So people are really divided as to like, you know, these guys are real gangsters. But now, on the other hand, they're snitching. And then other people are saying, well, you know, the guy's a businessman now. He's not a street guy.

And, you know, that's just the way, you know, you should do business a certain way. There's a lot going on here, a lot of dynamics. So I don't know why they haven't spoken to the FBI in three or four months. The FBI seems to think it was just a scheduling conflict, which I find extremely hard to believe. She said that at the bond, the bond hearing. Yeah, she said it. Yeah. We just couldn't get together in the past four months.

There's five different witnesses. None of them could even get on Zoom. They couldn't give you anything. Nope. They just was too busy. So like, you know, I just don't buy that. Now, whether or not going forward they're going to be cooperating in the level of cooperation that I don't know.

You know what I mean? And I don't depend on that on any case. I assume cases are going forward based on the evidence that was presented at a bond hearing. And I assume that they're telling me the truth that, you know, they're going to be cooperating. You know, the FBI says they're going to be cooperating. So I can't take it as that they're lying to me. I prepare my case as if they're telling me. me the truth. Whether or not a trial that ends up being the case, it's usually not.

So I want to now go into a specific piece of alleged evidence about your client that was part of this filing. And it was purportedly used, you know, to support for the arrest. And so it says, the complaint claims that your client was wearing an ankle monitor because he was serving a sentence, Like you mentioned, the prior case, these federal charges, I believe drug and weapons charges, and he was sentenced to home detention. He had to wear an electronic monitoring device. And they say that authorities were able to allegedly use the location data from that device to seemingly track his apparent movements near the crime scene. And I believe they say that the ankle monitor was used to track him and William Sr.

To a Staples. And the allegation was there that they went to a Staples early in the day to print off that agreement, that print off the contractual release paperwork. that they say they were forcing RD to later sign. And the feds also claim that the surveillance video and the GPS data, they put them there. So talk to me about the ankle monitor. Sure. First, let me just address the Staples thing.

Like, I don't even care if they're at Staples. They're going to a recording studio. And normally, my clients usually print off the lyrics for different individuals. If you have five individuals, they're going to be on one record and they each have a section or a part, they'll usually print those things off so I really didn't care about the staples thing. The electronic monitor, again, people will tell me, oh, we have this data,

this is the data that we have, and then when I get it, it's typically not what they represent. Now, I don't know. It could be exactly what they represent, and if it is, then we'll deal with it. Then we don't say a certain defense of, oh, well, he wasn't there,

or he was in the area, or whatever it is. We have to create the defense and create a way to make sure, that they're held to their burden, the government. So it doesn't matter what they say. It's matter what they have. So yes, if they had that, was he wearing a monitor? Do you know?

Yes, he was wearing an electronic monitor. And if they have the data and the data is accurate, then we deal with that. But I don't know if that's the case. You know, I had a murder case that I got dismissed that was in Tampa where they're like, hey, this phone, it puts him right at the scene at the time of the shooting. Then I get the data. It puts him within 350 yards. of the scene somewhere near the time of the shooting.

So it's like it's always some little twist on what they say and what I get. There's usually a difference. Now, I don't know if that's the case here. It might not be. So I have to see what the actual evidence is first, and then I'll deal with it. Let's talk about the vehicle ID and cell phone record evidence. So the affidavit claims that Wright's father owns a 2020 Dodge Charger Helicat with Tennessee plates. And authorities allegedly used license plate readers to track the charger following another car,

Dodge Ram at 2.18 p.m. on January 10th. Then they claim that the Dodge Ram looks like the one on surveillance video near the studio, near the crime scene later that afternoon. They apparently used the license plate readers to also link the charger traveling close to a white Buick enclave. And through rental records, they determined that that enclave was rented by William Sr. And the self-fell records for Williams Jr., again, your client and others, and the telematics location data for the cars, as well as the GPS data from the electronic monitoring device, authorities claim they're tracking them the journey from Memphis, Tennessee, to Dallas, Texas, that the electronic monitoring device allegedly aligns with the records, tracking to Winrose Tower, where Williams Jr. was allegedly

residing, traveling to the alleged crime scene, when they allegedly left the scene, going to the comfort in at one point. And, by the way, with the comfort in, authorities allegedly, allegedly have rental records from the rooms and surveillance footage allegedly showing them at this location and that some of the defendants were wearing clothes that were very similar to what the suspects were allegedly wearing at the studio based on the surveillance footage. So I know that's a lot, Bradford, but basically it's digital evidence, right? It's surveillance, it's rental records, its cars, GPS. Talk to me about that. So long story short is if all of that is true, the most that that does is put everyone at the scene, right? It still doesn't,

say if a robbery occurred, doesn't say that a kidnapping occurred. In fact, the jurisdictional element of this is really troublesome because they don't put in the dates of that the travel from Tennessee to Dallas. Now, kidnapping is very specific. You have to travel federal kidnapping. Federal kidnapping. You have to travel in order to complete the crime that you are accused of. These guys were there for a week or a week and a half recording songs and doing all this stuff. So like the jurisdictional element, they don't even address where Poo actually lives in Dallas. The alleged victim came to Dallas willingly, which again, that's an element of kidnapping that's not there. All these different things about jurisdiction. At the bond hearing, they were like, well, if they use the cell phone

to record this signing, then that's the commerce clause and it affects interstate commerce. The problem with that is there's specific case law that the cell phone would have to be used in furtherance of the kidnapping. So filming. someone and then sending it to Bob Smith and saying, hey, if you don't pay me a ransom, here's the video of your guy. That's in furtherance of the crime. Filming someone allegedly signing a contract is not in furtherance of the crime. So they're going to have a lot of problem with jurisdiction. I know they're scrambling to try and make sure to shore that up with jurisdiction. But the basic is they found no gun, so they can't say whether or not

the gun was made in Texas. If the gun was made in Texas, it doesn't. doesn't affect interstate commerce. They found no ammo. If the ammo was made in Texas, doesn't affect interstate commerce. The only phone that was used in any of this was this alleged recording, which no one has,

and they can't say that affected the actual kidnapping. So they have a problem there. They have a problem going back and forth throughout this case with jurisdiction in terms of proving that the phone or something in interstate commerce was used in furtherance of the kids. kidnapping, that's going to be a real problem for them, which they don't address. And all these

complaints, all these indictments, they're very heavy on what they have because they want to be like, oh, we got them here, we got them here, we got them here. What they don't have is they have no guns, they have no ammo, they have no contract, they have no video, they have no video inside the studio, they have no other witnesses besides only the alleged victims. There were two other witnesses in there. Those witnesses say, we didn't hear anything, we didn't see anything, No one told us anything. One of them's the owner of the studio. One of them, I think, is an intern from the studio.

And this is in a massive big studio. There's a couple different recording studios. But these were the only guys recording there. So it wasn't like they were checking on other studios to see how everyone's doing. There's only one, one group there. So it's unusual that they didn't hear anything or see anything. The whole thing is weird. And like the fact that MM says to, you know, walks towards the door with everyone,

and says, hey, are you guys really taking my, my watches? That doesn't sound like me that someone that was almost going to get shot in the face, then says, hey, by the way, you know, are you really taking my watches? That sounds crazy to me. So I would counter that as a counter-arge. Yes, counter it. So the purported injuries on MM, couple that with the idea of what we mentioned. If all that digital data is true, it might place them at the location.

But this is the part that we haven't talked about. Last part, I want to get your point on. It's the social media. accounts. So authorities, what they did was they compared the descriptions of, let's say, Williams Jr., from the accounts of the alleged victims to an Instagram account at Pushai-Stee. So allegedly, there you go, showing a match. This is who we described. This is what it is. But then they end up doing that for others. So they say William Sr. Wright, Waters, and how there are these photos of them together online, how they match allegedly state IDs

with the accounts to. And for the suspects, Rogers and Glover, they allegedly match. And the surveillance footage with social media posts of them allegedly possessing the things that were reportedly stolen, like a Rolex watch and a pendant. They're very, very specific items. So the argument would be very unlikely that they would have the exact same thing. And so they're basically the argument is they're flaunting it after this alleged kidnapping robbery. And also the authorities looked at surveillance footage, saw what the suspects were wearing,

and matched it to the descriptions of the clothes. the suspects were wearing on their social media accounts. So it's the social media activity that authorities are using to tie in the identities of the suspects and what they allegedly had in their possession after the kidnapping robbery. Sure. So one thing is, and I thought this was very interesting, it looked like Gucci came out with the exact stuff that was allegedly stolen saying like, here's my chain and here's something else.

I think that he actually showed like some jewelry that was allegedly stolen and that it was still in his possession. That's the first unusual part. The second unusual part of that is the watches and things of that nature, all the government could say is it looked the same as the one that was taken. This watch looks the same as the one that was taken. They can't say whether or not it is that watch. And in fact, on one of them where they said, I think it was like a Rolex with a Jubilee band, I forgot the type of Rolex that it was, but they can't say that it is that Rolex. And in fact, that individual who had that watch has a receipt for purchasing that same Rolex. And in the next picture on his Instagram, it shows the box, the papers, and the receipt for the

purchase of that Rolex. So there's a lot of things there that I think might be unusual. It doesn't have every single thing that was taking. I think there was a Rolex and some jewelry that was displayed in some Instagram pictures. And again, those aren't Instagram pictures from Push Ishty. Those are Instagram pictures from other individuals that were allegedly involved. Well, let me tell you something. First of all, thank you so much for coming on.

Thank you for being a sport to break down the evidence with me. You are an incredible, incredible lawyer. I just have to tell you. And I really appreciate you taking the time to break this down with me. I really thought it was a fascinating discussion. And we'll see. I mean, again, to be clear, they are all innocent until proven guilty. This is the government's version of events.

This is the government's evidence. You're 100% right. They still have to meet their burden. We're in the beginning stages of this, and we will see. But listen, Bradford, you're the best. You're such a gem. Thank you so much for coming on to really address all this. I appreciate it.

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