Law&Crime Sidebar - Private Investigator Hired by Amber Heard to Get 'Dirt' on Johnny Depp Reveals All

Episode Date: August 10, 2022

Actress Amber Heard hired Hollywood fixer Paul Barresi to find 'dirt' on Johnny Depp after the actor sued her. But, Heard ended up firing Barresi and her first legal team. Barresi talks with Law&Crime's Angenette Levy about how he said he didn’t find any dirt but he did find out a lot about Depp and Heard, how he came to know Depp’s lawyer, Adam Waldman and what he thinks of those in Johnny Depp's circle. PLEASE SUPPORT THE SHOW: Thanks to Established Titles for sponsoring this episode! Get 10% off on any purchase with code LC10. Go to establishedtitles.com/LC10 and help support the channel! GUESTS:Paul Barresi, Former Amber Heard Private Investigator: https://twitter.com/PaulBarresi1LAW&CRIME SIDEBAR PRODUCTION:YouTube Management - Bobby SzokePodcasting - Sam GoldbergVideo Editing - Michael DeiningerGuest Booking - Alyssa FisherSocial Media Management - Kiera BronsonSUBSCRIBE TO OUR OTHER PODCASTS:Court JunkieObjectionsThey Walk Among AmericaCoptales and CocktailsThe Disturbing TruthSpeaking FreelyLAW&CRIME NETWORK SOCIAL MEDIA:Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lawandcrime/Twitter: https://twitter.com/LawCrimeNetworkFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/lawandcrimeTwitch: https://www.twitch.tv/lawandcrimenetworkTikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@lawandcrimeSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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I'm Ann Jeanette Levy and welcome to this latest edition of Law and Crime Sidebar Podcast. We're glad you could join us and we have a very special guest with us today. He is somebody who worked for Amber Heard during this case, during the defamation case. He was hired by Amber Heard's legal team to look into Johnny Depp, to investigate him and to find people who could say bad things. about him, like that he hurt women and things like that. And he had some interesting things that he found out, not only about Johnny Depp, but also Amber Heard. And joining us is Paul Boresi.

He's a Hollywood fixer. I like being able to say that. He's worked for a lot of celebrities, and he's going to tell us all about that. So Paul, welcome to Sidebar. Thanks for coming on. Thanks for having me. You've been in hot pursuit. So I've been in hot pursuit of you. And we'll talk about why in a short while here. But first I wanted you to tell me, what is a Hollywood fixer? How did you get involved in that? And what do you do? How did I know you're going to ask that question? There's a distinction between there's not much of a journey from private detective to Hollywood fixer. The only difference is the fixer is the last resort guy. When everything else fails to fix her as a guy you want to call because he usually gets the job done.

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I know on Twitter on your bio, it says you've worked for Sylvester. You've worked for Eddie Murphy. Well, my niche is mostly putting out sexually based scandal, fires. No celebrity wants to be the subject of scandal. But sexually based scandal for a celebrity is like putting a noose around their neck and ending their career in livelihood, because it's always the most salacious stuff that that does them in. For example, when I put out fire for Eddie Murphy, he was entangled with these transvestites and rumor prevailed that he had a sexual proclivity for transvestites. And I don't know,

this is before you were born probably. No, I remember the story. I was born. So go ahead. Remember in the 90s, he was picked up in Hollywood. He said he was just being a good Samaritan and wanted to give her a lift. I guess it was two or three in the morning. And she was standing on a corner, but I guess she was a damsel in distress. He was aware that she was a transvestite. And consequently, she ended up getting arrested and the sheriff let him go home. After that incident, everybody came out of the woodwork alleging they had sexual relations with Murphy. Every transvestite hooker that is. And so I was assigned to the task of rounding them all up and helping them all see their way clear to recanting the story. Were their stories true, though? Or were they just

kind of jumping on the bandwagon? That's the thing. I only collect the information. I gather the intelligence and I turn it over to the lawyers. and negotiate. It's sort of like what they should have done with Donald Trump. Instead of barging it like gangbusters, they should have called the lawyer and said, look, here's the situation. I had sex with Murphy.

I'm trying to make a living. And then quietly and discreetly, it would have been taken care of. But when you go to the tabloids, or if you go on Twitter, and you start casting aspersions on someone and making accusations, accusations on someone. That's etched in stone forever. So it would be wise to try to do it in a diplomatic

fashion. Obviously, that ship sailed. So they said, let's call Boresse. We got in-house private detectives who are former cops that can't get this job done. We better call Borese. because he is very familiar with the Hollywood Underbelly, which I am. I think that's really interesting. I remember the Eddie Murphy story, and we have to say transgender. I know that I learned a lot about that. So just so we're clear, because a lot of people, I guess there's been a change in language about this over the years.

I remember this. He was stopped, and this person was a sex worker, and, he would the woman the transgender woman was in the vehicle with him so um that was quite the story so let's get to um why you know so much about the underbelly of hollywood how how do you know about the underbelly of tinsletown and what goes on there all the dirty dealings i guess well it's a it's a sore subject for people but it's part of my past i mean i'm not the man I was 30, 40 years ago when I posed for Playgirl magazine in 1975. Before that, I appeared in a mainstream movie with Raquel Welsh.

I had an acting role. That was my desire to grow up and become an actor. I ended up landing roles without the benefit of clothes. Now, it was okay for me, because it, It groomed me. It got me ready to stand on the scaffold connecting the two biggest industries in Hollywood. The movie industry and the sex industry, which follows the movie industry like the moon. So the smoldering secrets beneath the red carpet, I'm able to open doors. Other people can't in that world.

I know where to go to talk to the transvestites. I know where the mavens are hiding. I know where the hookers are. I know the Red Light District. I know the adult entertainment industry. And all things point to the sex, right? And sex scandal. And so I have a unique innate ability to deal with that kind of problem.

You were talking about, we have to use the word transgender now, that transvestite, we can't use that word. But before that, it was even more indelicate. They would call transvestites to tranee. So it would be going from tranny to transvestite to transgender. So people today seem to be very concerned, aware that the proper words, should be spoken, but yet for every word in the English language, there are 20 words that you can use. But in our society today, every other word is, fuck this, fuck that, fuckety, fuckety fuck. I looked up Joe Rogan, I said, what is it about this guy? Don't feel like I cheated on you,

but I wanted to maybe go. I said, I got to go on this guy's show, because that's going to get to play. Yeah, me, Joe Rogan, yeah, okay. I turned on the show, and I said, and all I heard was fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck. And then on Twitter, it's always effing whore about Amber, effin' whore, tramp, this, that, I mean, the stream of invective coming out of people's mouths,

and I'm thinking to myself, have they no letters or words to color their discord? Do they have to use this kind of language? So my advice to people who are sensitive to these old words being modernized because there's nothing more important than the power of words, which brings me to my effective tool. My effective tool when I put out of fire is not to go in like gangbusters to beat someone up, to hire a crew from Chicago,

and work break someone's legs and I'm not a murderer contrary to what the people are saying on the internet I didn't kill a transgender woman I didn't kill Paul Lynn and so these things are hurtful and I think the time is overdue to have some sort of a truce

what an extraordinary display of strength and for Johnny Depp to show that he can share one's feelings for someone. If he would just go on, go in public and say all of you out there, thank you for your support, for your love through this difficult time. But I think we should kind of cool it with Amber. I think that she's down for the count. she's beyond up against a rope she's down for the count she's flat on her back let's cut her some slack and i think that that would be a great show of strength and it would show that he really is

a good man if he did something like that that's interesting and i just want to address one thing i only brought up the transgender thing because i covered a homicide involving somebody who was transgender about eight or ten years ago and i said transvestite on the air and I was hammered for it. So I was kind of informed because I wasn't aware that there was other wording for that. So I learned that lesson. And then that takes us to Amber Hurd and Johnny Depp. How did you become employed by Amber Hurd in the lead up to the defamation trial in

Virginia? Well, she hired her first lawyer was Eric George, who was. with Brown, George, and Ross. He's a very important lawyer. He represented Michael Hobitz in the Anita Bush settlement, very powerful. So she got the best. And I had a good track record with Eric, and he called me up and said,

I'd like to bring you in on this case, Johnny Depp, shoot, Amber. And we'd like to investigate to Johnny. We talked it over with Amber, and we all agree that you would be the right guy for the job. So I, of course, accepted the charge. I was up for it. And you had a specific assignment, right? You were supposed to go, I mean, you were supposed to dig up dirt on Johnny Depp.

Yeah, I was supposed to find instances of bad conduct. from the past, in accordance with what Amber alleged, primarily find other women who were abused by Johnny. So I searched far and wide. I spoke with a great many people. I knocked on doors, and I couldn't find one. I couldn't find one person to say one deprecating thing about him. now let me get something clear with everybody just because i couldn't find somebody to tell me yeah he's a bad guy somebody credible we don't know what people do behind closed doors there are people who close themselves uh in a certain dignity they're respected revered uh extolled by many for example called Johnny Depp. He's a national and international star. People love him, just like they love

Michael Jackson, just like they loved O.J. Simpson or Robert Blake. And so I think people lose sight of that. It's important that we really don't know for a fact what went on behind closed doors. I wasn't there. But I can say with absolute certainty that I spoke with a great number of people and they all said Johnny was a sweetheart, that he was a gem of a guy. I'm not saying that he, well, first of all, a lot of people hold back on telling you things because, number one, they don't want to burn bridges. They might, for example, be actors who like to work with Johnny again. They don't want to say. things that might hurt other people and they when you bring scandal upon someone you

rarely bring scandal upon yourself so you have to consider all these factors because a lot of people weren't talking to me and it was like banging on a punching a wall i couldn't get people to talk but those who did only had nice things to say about johnny and uh that's when i decided to go back to the beginning And when I say that, I mean, all the way back to even before he was born. And I collected all of these extraordinary historic documents and photographs of his, the home where he used to live, places where his father used to work. Just really great stuff that puts Johnny's life in the historical context.

I want to get to that in just a second. It illuminates those events. Yeah, and I want to talk about that in just a second, but I want to go back to what you were just talking about. So you kind of went and dug around in the Viper Room. That was that club that Johnny Depp owned in the 90s. And he, you know, it was a music club. River Phoenix OD'd and died outside of the Viper Room.

So it's a very well-known place in Los Angeles. And so you're saying out of all of the people you met, you know, digging back through his past, You said there were people who wouldn't talk to you, but then people who would, and the people who would only said nice things. Yes. Okay. Yeah, there were as many people who talked to me that wouldn't talk to me. If I talked to 100 people, and I'm sure it was much more than that, you can double it because in equal measure, there were people who wouldn't talk to me.

and for their own reasons. And they have every right not to talk to me. The phone was hung up or I try to get through the people through their agent. There was no interest in talking. So, but I do want to embrace the issue of Twitter and the Internet because I think it's getting a little bit out of hand. Everyone seems to have taken sides. And we've talked before this. And you agree that those who love Johnny take his side, and those who love Amber, take her side.

And then each side has just really ugly things to say about the other. And they voice it on the Internet. It got particularly bad last week, I felt like. It's bad every day. And then other people, like, for example, you and, and I are caught in the crossfire or where we're directly attacked. And in fact, it got so bad. I know it's gotten bad for you, but for me that there was an actual conspiracy going on

between certain individuals who I'm not going to name a civil conspiracy, which, you know, I work with some of the most powerful ivory tower lawyers, entertainment lawyers in the country. And I never call on them to help me. But I brought this to the attention of one of them who will remain nameless. And he said, you know, what they're doing, hiring a private detective,

schematizing, creating false allegations against you to demean you and to go after your livelihoods, he said there's no complicated way of saying it he said this is actionable you can sue these people and it could even rise the level of criminal because it's a conspiracy and I said well I'm going to keep that under my hat for now but people really should try to cool it and try to show some compassion if you ever showed compassion in your life everybody

makes mistakes. The whole business about Amber having sex parties and with women and all that, that looks just like, you know, what people do behind closed doors is their business. They should no more criticize her for that and they would want someone to criticize them for what they do. And I think we, you know, I just want to address the reason I reached out to Paul in July and And I had become made, I had been made aware of him sometime before that. And people were alleging that he was, you know, a PI working for Amber Hurd at one point. And then switch teams that he was like a spy or a double agent for Johnny Depp and that he was doing things on the payroll for Johnny Depp and Adam Waldman and that you were betraying Amber. And so that's why I reached out to you because I had been told all of these things. And I would, you know, that's what I do. I look into things. I get information. I look into it. you know, that's what I do. So that's how I kind of called you. And I want you to address that allegation just briefly. I would love to address that allegation. You know, Amber hired me in the summer of July 2019 is when she hired me. July 9th, 2019. And I searched under every rock,

every stone. We engaged the services of a private detective overseas. We looked all over the world to try to find bad things about Johnny. And we all came up empty hand. So she fired us. She fired the lawyers and with the lawyers went me in September. So it was solid three months, three and a half months. And so it wasn't until April of three, of three. 2020 that I decide that I would share some of my, my times and my experiences as a private detective working for Amber. And I shared that with a guy named Chris White. He's a great journalist in London with the Daily Mail. And everyone would say, well, why'd you do that? Well, the rumor had it that there was a big story that was going to be coming out about Amber Hurd's former investigator was in the adult entertainment world.

And I just felt that that would, I know how they would spin such a story. So I felt that I should own that narrative. and I preempted the story that was to be or I heard was going to happen. I preempted it by calling Chris White. And it was a good move on my part. Are you working for Johnny Depp and Adam Waldman? Did you betray him? No, that's what I was going to tell you.

You know, one of the most frustrating things for me is when you do a story for a newspaper or if you're source for any kind of a story. You say things and a lot of the stuff is edited out. The best story is the truth. So what happened was after I did the story with Chris White in the Daily Mail, I got an email from Adam Waldman who said, I really appreciate you come and clean because the story said what we've already discussed that I couldn't find anything bad about Johnny. He said, I appreciate and Johnny appreciates you coming clean as if I was holding something back. And then I, we eventually spoke on the phone. I said, look, I said, Mr. Waldman, it wasn't about coming clean. It was just the truth. And that's, that's how it

all went down. So from there, we developed a rapport. And I shared with him some of the extraordinary historical documents which I know you want to talk about later right with him and he found that fascinating and I said in fact there are some documents I found that are so enlightening that the public has never heard about that I don't think even Johnny knew about it and that's that was fascinating so that's the basis of our of our relationship and we have we have become friends you know So, but you never worked for Johnny Depp or Adam Waldman, correct? No. Okay, I just wanted to clear that up because that's been out there quite a bit on Twitter and stuff.

For the record, for the record, I've never received monies. I've never been hired by Johnny Depp. I have never been, my services have never been engaged by Adam Walman or anybody else associated with Johnny Depp. So let's talk about the historical documents because you, you were hired by Amber Hurd and her legal team to find dirt on Johnny Depp. And you said you went back to the beginning because God only knows what you would have found going back to the beginning in 1960 something in Kentucky, I guess. He was born in Kentucky. So tell us what you found when you went looking into Johnny Depp's past. Right.

So when you investigate someone, you essentially build a profile. Profiling is something that's been going on in investigations long before the FBI coined the phrase. The best way to get to know someone is to find out where they come from because they're a product of their mom, their dad, and where they come from, where it all began. Even before they're born, what was their mom? and dad all about. And it's very telling about a person. And I know the value of that information. So I went to core our archives and I just started fishing, punching in names and so forth in the master file. And I came up with some really cool stuff that although it's old, no less extraordinary.

For example, I found there his mom and dad's marriage certificate. There was one single piece of paper, but it told me I see here that Johnny's dad was four years younger than his mom.

He was, she was 25. He was 22. And, okay, well, big deal. Well, it is a big deal because you know and I know, well, you're still in your 20s. But when you're in your 20s, your brain isn't really fully developed until you're 26. I think I was 45 when mine was fully developed. But you're a guy. You guys developed. Johnny's dad, and this was brought out in court, but Johnny's dad seemed to be a very passive

guy. He never liked confrontation, which is very much like how Johnny is that we found out in court. Johnny is kind of a passive person, I guess, to an extent, like his father. But his father, I think, allowed his mom, Betty, to call the shots, to make the decisions. And so rather than argue with his mom, he let her call the shots, who is passive. and this is consistent with the jobs that he had. He had a problem I found out through other documents holding down a job. He worked for the city. He was a civil servant.

He had a problem holding down a job. And so rather than be confrontational, it was an amazing article I found. Sorry to jump around, but a newspaper article where he was fired, publicly his father and it was a headline city manager fired so rather than fight it he just walked away which showed

strength you know in my view you get knocked down you just get up brush yourself off and move on so this was all very telling stuff about his father and I remember telling Adam Walman about that I said you know Johnny was only six years old

when this went down and I said here his father was headline John Depp fired from the city job it was a big deal the Corbin Kentucky Times was the paper and I said this is so so much in continuity

with what Johnny's going through right now with the dismissal from the Fantastic Beast's series and the getting allegedly being fired from pirates. And I said, turning the other cheek sometimes isn't a bad thing. And it's a show of, and found some divorce. I found a divorce. I also found the eight months before Johnny's mom and dad divorced. Johnny's dad engaged the services of the psychiatrist. It's unclear whether he engaged the psychiatrist services for marriage counseling, but that particular

psychiatrist, I looked him up. He specialized in marriage counseling. So did he try to save his marriage eight months before the divorce? I would say the likelihood is very strong that he did. So again, another admirable quality. And I'll tell you one more document I found that was really interesting is that before their divorce, before his mom and dad divorced, they made a divorce settlement. And Johnny was a minor at the time. He was 17. And in Florida, if you're 17, you're a minor.

and so the mom went up before the judge and lied to the judge said oh my son is fully emancipated he's self-sufficient he's doing fine on his own well at the time johnny was in really financial dire straits he was living and sleeping in the backseat of a car and eating canned beans so he wasn't in good shape yeah you had told me about that and i thought that was so incredibly sad um because i think he had said i right maybe i read it or maybe he said it at the trial i don't remember um that he dropped out of high school and then tried to go back but they wouldn't take him back which is even sadder um and so basically it was a rough road yeah it seemed really really sad um and just hearing what we heard during the trial about from he and his sister

him and his sister about betty sue and the abuse and his dad um you know it's It's pretty heartbreaking to think of anybody going through that. It is. So you get to know the person. You get to know that the trials in tribulations, what they had to endure as a young person. And it helps you understand them a lot better. And it shows how vulnerable. it makes sense that this going through this

what Johnny went through he would grow up to be kind of a vulnerable I don't want to say fragile but a guy who could be easily manipulated which brings me to a very important point that I hope you'll allow me to really drive home here

and that is routinely and consistently, when I spoke with everybody who was speaking good things about Johnny, they all had awful, just terrible things to say about Amber. One of Johnny's best friends, Jonathan Shaw, a tattoo artist. He was probably the best, the first best friend I interviewed. And I said, well, do you know, know about Amber? Can you tell me about Amber? He said, I don't want to talk about

Amber. He said, the only thing I would let that gold-diggin whore I would help that gold-digging whore-do is load the gun she wanted to use to blow her fucking brains out. That's what he said to me. And I have

to tell you, that bothered me. That bothered me. But his his manner of speaking, is really hard core disdain for that woman is so consistent with the kind of vitriol and things I'm hearing on me, I read on the internet.

And me personally, I don't like to kick someone when they're down. I never did. I don't like bullying when I was a little, boy, I was bullied and I don't like it. And I think it's time for everybody. It's just cooler. And that's the point. That's one of the main things I want to get through on this interview. And I hope you leave that in there. One thing I wanted to ask you about. Yeah, and I, of course I will. One thing I wanted to ask you about was the fact that we heard that Johnny at the trial, we heard allegations that he's basically surrounded by yes men and that people

take advantage of him or have taken advantage of him in the past, that everybody around him is basically out for something. And that's just what was stated. That is not me saying that. I don't know these people. It's just what's been stated. So what did you find regarding that? Well, I found a lot. In fact, I spoke with Adam Wallman about. him about it. It's it. Adam Walham is a really a stand-up guy. If anyone is in Johnny's corner, he would be the one. He said, you're like Johnny's consigliary. And you said, yeah, I am. And the consigliary is like the, the advisor, you know. And I said the bane of one of the things I found in the, and during my investigation is that the bane of Johnny Depp's existence,

have been these hangarons, these opportunists, these wannabes who leach off of him, who insinuate their way into his life just so they can get something out of him. And what does Johnny do? He doesn't know how to get rid of him. He just lets him hang on, and he lets him hang on, and they're there forever. This guy, Isaac Baruch, for example, I know everyone loves him. They love his testimony. I think he is the quintessential flim-flam man. He has been mooching off Johnny Depp since they were young friends.

Yeah, I understand. You grow up with someone, your childhood friends, you're like brothers. But that doesn't mean you have to take care of that person. Isaac Baruch, I mean, what is he now? 60 and he's still living off Johnny Depp. I remember that. Something like that. I can hear that question with him on the stand right now.

Well, what did what the Johnny do for you? Well, he told me that all you need to do is do your art and I'll pay for it. I'll be your benefactor. You just do your art. And the attorney said, I forget which side might have been. I forget which attorney. Do you remember? Anyway, so.

Elaine Brettahoft cross-examined him. So the attorney said, well, is that what you're doing? He said, oh, no, I've been so upset for the past two years. I haven't been able to paint. Oh, I felt so sorry for this guy. This guy ought to get off his ass. Johnny Depp has been wiping his ass since he was a young guy, a young teenager. It's time for him to get off his ass and do his own thing.

And this goes for everybody else. who's mooching off Johnny Depp. Johnny doesn't have the heart. This speaks to the tender heart this guy has. He doesn't have a heart, the heart, to tell these people to take a hike. Johnny Depp, I found, paid people's legal fees, medical bills, rent. He paid off one relative's home. All he does is give, give, give, give.

And of course, Amber Heard was his wife. And I'm not, maybe she too took advantage. We all take advantage of somebody at some point, sometime or another. But if someone holds himself out to be type of person just keeps giving, you say, well, he must like it. So I'm going to let him do things for me too. So in some respects, you can't hold Amber to a fall for taking advantage. either. Maybe she went too far, letting her sister move in and all that stuff. But Johnny allows that to happen. And I've talked to Adam Walman about this. I said, you know, letting Johnny, or rather Johnny,

is letting these people come into his life. And he really needs to not do that. Well, but I mean, he's doing these things. I mean, he's a grown man. Obviously, you're saying he doesn't have the heart to cut it off or to cut them off. Oh, I really think he doesn't. I don't think he does. I think he feels so privileged that he's, he was, he has to do it. He almost feels like he, he had, who knows what goes on inside Johnny Depp's head. But I think it would do him, a great, himself a great service.

If he would just cut these people loose, someone said, well, he gave. great testimony for Johnny. He was a key witness. Well, if someone was paying my way, my whole life, I'd given a great performance on the stand, too. Yeah, I think people just liked him because he was such a character, you know, the Brooklyn accent, the whole nine yards. He was just a funny guy, you know. Yeah, but that speaks to the exterior. That speaks to judging someone based on the superficial side you need to get inside you need to get in in there and know what people are all about that that's why you go back to the beginning and i'm i'm out there i see it i experience it um and i'm in the trenches so i think i'm a a pretty good authority on what's out there

and uh i can i'll tell you like it is every time that's just how I tell you like it is. And that's what I, I love talking to you because you do. You're very, very honest and very forthright. So you didn't just, though, you said you didn't just hear things about Johnny Depp when you were investigating Johnny Depp for Amber Heard. I mean, you were hired to dig up dirt. But you said that you somehow came across people as well who knew Amber.

Yes, it's true. I mean, I was asked, what you find out about Amber? I said, I was investigating Johnny Depp. Now, along the way, when you're investigating, you pick up what they call collateral evidence, evidence that's not necessarily related to your central objective.

But it's interesting. So, of course, I always have an open ear to hear anything. And I spoke with Amber's very first drama teacher ever, high school teacher in St. Michael's. His name is Ivan Clousia. He's an actor. He's actually been a low-budget movie. He just retired not long ago.

I spoke with him. And he said nice things about Amber. And I also found out that she had a, a very tough childhood, that her father was a mean-spirited, irascible nature drunk. And I know what she was going through, as did Johnny. Johnny experienced that kind of abuse growing up from his parent, or at least one of them. I certainly did. I mean, I felt empathy for her.

And Klausie went on to say that Amber loved the arts. She loved acting and that all her friends loved her. And she had beautiful qualities and she was a wide-eyed, all-American girl who was hoping to become an actor, actress. You say actor, actor now. You don't say actress for women. I kind of keep her in mind myself. And from there, I was able to get in contact with her child. childhood friend. His name is Joshua Cruz. And Joshua has said that his parents and Amber's

parents were good friends and he grew up with Amber. And he said beautiful things about her. So see, there's good things. There are good things about Amber out there you don't hear about because they're overshadowed by all the hate and all the vitriol out there. there that's the stones that are being thrown at her. I called who I thought was her PR person, David Shane. Does that name ring a bell? Yeah, he is with Shane Communications. And he, during the trial, just for our listeners and viewers who may not know,

Amber Hurd fired her PR, crisis PR firm that had been working for Stephanie Cutter of the, you know, she used to work for the Obama administration. She owned that firm and then Precision Strategies. Amber fired that firm and brought on David Shane because David Shane, his firm had worked against Johnny Depp in the past. They did PR, I think, during the Mandel Brothers lawsuit and worked, I believe, for the Mandel Brothers. Okay. Well, I understand why she keeps firing people because this guy, I want to tell you right now, and if I could see him, I would tell him to his face, he is inept.

and he needs to open his ears sometime. I called him up and I tried to impress upon him that which I just, as best I could, cogently expressed to you about how it's important to bring out the human side of Amber Hurd. And I was trying to explain to him that people like her first acting coach or childhood friends,

you could get them out there in public to speak to Amber's character. I think it would help her. But I didn't even get that far with him. He hung up on me. And yeah, he hung up on me. So I think it would have helped her calm everybody down. But these attacks are going to continue on. And you and I probably are going to continue to be in the crossfire.

Yeah. People prefer to hear only the confessions of one's defects rather than any magnificent achievements that we do in life, which is sad. But that's our society. That's just the way our society is. Yeah, I guess I've become a cynic all these years, but I'm also a realist. I've lived in the real world, and I've seen the worst of the worst. the glitz and the glamour of Hollywood is up here and what I see is is the underbelly what goes on beneath it's amazing I'm amazed that I'm still resilient and in good health

and as good looking as I am well you're a good looking guy and you're in great shape for my age yeah yeah for your for your for your for your you're in great shape. I don't want to get into all that. I'm not. I don't know. No, no, no. I don't recommend. Yeah, it would be, it would be incorrect, politically incorrect. Yeah, I would get in trouble like for like saying something like. He's sexy. But I, you know, look, I'm 74 years old. I've taken care of myself. I've experienced a great deal in life. I love sharing my experiences with people. Some things I say they may not like sometimes, sometimes they're not going to like it. But one thing for sure, universally, I think people appreciate the truth. So whether

they like it or not, as long as you're speaking the truth, that'll give you the edge. At least I hope it will. Paul Boresse, a Hollywood Fixer, former private investigator. Thanks so much for joining us on this edition of Sidebar. We really appreciate it. Thank you. Bring me back. I will. I mean, you're going to be like my Hollywood Fixer expert. I'm just getting started, so let's do it. And that's it. for this edition of Law and Crime Sidebar podcast. It is produced by Sam Goldberg and Michael Dininger. Bobby Zoki is our YouTube manager. Alyssa Fisher handles our bookings and Kiera Bronson is in charge of our social media. You can of course find Sidebar on Apple, Spotify, Google, or wherever else you get your

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