Law&Crime Sidebar - Sex Offender Kidnaps Same Woman Again After Escaping Custody: Police

Episode Date: August 6, 2024

Authorities in Grove City, Utah are still trying to find Quinntel Bagley, who is wanted for allegedly kidnapping his ex-girlfriend a second time, after escaping arrest the first time around. The US Marshals Service is offering a $5,000 reward for his capture. Law&Crime’s Jesse Weber sits down with prison consultant Justin Paperny to discuss Bagley’s case, his escape, and his attempts to avoid more prison time.PLEASE SUPPORT THE SHOW: Download the FREE Upside App at https://upside.app.link/sidebar to get an extra 25 cents back for every gallon on your first tank of gas.HOST:Jesse Weber: https://twitter.com/jessecordweberLAW&CRIME SIDEBAR PRODUCTION:YouTube Management - Bobby SzokeVideo Editing - Michael Deininger and Christina FalconeScript Writing & Producing - Savannah WilliamsonGuest Booking - Alyssa Fisher & Diane KayeSocial Media Management - Vanessa BeinSTAY UP-TO-DATE WITH THE LAW&CRIME NETWORK:Watch Law&Crime Network on YouTubeTV: https://bit.ly/3td2e3yWhere To Watch Law&Crime Network: https://bit.ly/3akxLK5Sign Up For Law&Crime's Daily Newsletter: https://bit.ly/LawandCrimeNewsletterRead Fascinating Articles From Law&Crime Network: https://bit.ly/3td2IqoLAW&CRIME NETWORK SOCIAL MEDIA:Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lawandcrime/Twitter: https://twitter.com/LawCrimeNetworkFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/lawandcrimeTwitch: https://www.twitch.tv/lawandcrimenetworkTikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@lawandcrimeSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Ohio, where police are still on the lookout for a sex offender who escaped. police custody. Now, he was accused of kidnapping his ex-girlfriend not once, but twice. Yeah. So back on June 13th, Grove City Police get a report that a woman has gone missing. And they come to suspect that 38-year-old Quintel Bagley kidnapped her from her home. Now, her car was abandoned, but they end up finding this woman at a gas station hours later. They arrest Bagley. But this is where the story takes a turn. After he is treated for his injuries at a medical center, he is escorted to a police cruiser handcuffed behind his back when he manages to yank himself away from an officer's grip, runs away in a parking lot,

and escapes to a nearby woods. Police indicate later on that he breaks into a home using an unlocked second floor window, steals a car at knife point from a woman and her kids, and then drives away. Again, no one can find him. And then last week, out of all things, police get a report that Mr. Bagley, tried to kidnap the same woman again, allegedly took her from her home, drove her to Columbus, but then she was the one who was able to escape from him. Yes, she escaped, unharmed, contacted police. She reportedly told authorities that Bagley was wearing dark clothing, he was

wearing a mask, and he has wanted on charges of aggravated burglary, aggravated robbery, failure to comply, parole violation for kidnapping, failure to register as a sex offender. Police say he is six foot, 212 pounds with black hair, brown eyes. He is considered armed and dangerous. And the U.S. Marshal's office is now on the case, and they are putting up a $5,000 reward for Bagley's arrest. Anyone who sees him is asked to call 911 or 614-469-5540.

Grove City Mayor Richard Stage also announced a $5,000 reward for information leading up to Bagley's arrest, so you have $10,000 in total. I want to quickly call out our great sponsor of this episode that helps make sidebar happen, Upside. So Upside's a free app that gets you cash back on daily essentials like gas and groceries. Now, believe it or not, I do know how to pump my own gas. And when I do, I can use the free Upside app.

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Sex Offender Registry. Clearly no stranger to law enforcement or our justice system. I say that, how was he able to escape from custody? Well, the immediate thought is the 10-year sentence did very little to correct him and prepare him for the toughest part for so many people coming home from prison. And he gave very little thought to the victims because he continues to victimize people, have such empathy for this woman who had the emotional, physical pain of getting victimized. And now 24 hours a day, I'm sure she fears, is he coming? What's happening? I read they put some security outside the home, but still, the pain that she continues to feel is tragic. And I empathize with her. Also, I've got to address, there are some jobs, in my humble opinion,

that should be zero tolerance. When you have a sex offender who's violated, violating parole, who is at risk of running, who continues to break the law, it is all hands on deck to ensure this person cannot escape. So the person or the people that allow him to flee, there should be consequences because it's continuing to wreak havoc in the communities at great law. It's expensive to track this guy down and allocate resources to try to find him. There needs to be consequences for letting him get away. Yeah, and there's other people who are victimized as a result or allegedly as a result. I was curious, and one of the reasons I really wanted to talk to you was because, you know, he has this experience about being inside.

And I'm wondering if when someone is incarcerated for a period of time, does their perspective in terms of running away from police or being on the lamb or violating, you know, parole conditions, does it change? Because we talked about how the prison system is in one way. It's trying to restore people. It's trying to, you know, understand the wrongs of their life, rehabilitate them in a way. but also made me wonder, do they have a different view on trying to, you know, skirt the law a little bit? The longer someone is exposed to corrections, the less likely they are to function in the modern world. So if you go to prison, federal, or state with little resources, see very little value in educating yourself and associate with people who continue to embrace this criminal lifestyle, you're simply going to release to a whole new set of problems.

So if I were a betting man, and if I looked at how he served his 10-year sentence, it most likely was not built around developing values, skills, growing your network. It was, I'm going to get out, probably continue to live a criminal lifestyle. And there's a very high likelihood based on recidivism rates that he was going to return. I would tell him, once they find him, he's still looking at 10, 20, 25 years in prison based on what he's done. But he still has a path to not serve the rest of his life in prison. The concern is he's does something tragic and awful, hurt someone where he's going to serve the rest of his life in some prison creates victims. He still has a chance to do something good, not hurt someone, and also not have taxpayers warehouse him for the rest of his life and stay in some prison.

He still has an opportunity to make a good decision, though based on his history, it is unlikely. And that scares me. How do you think he's been on the loose for so long? Do you think someone might be helping him? Enablers are involved in all sorts of crimes, from violent crimes to white-collar crimes. There could be people, as we know, who are sympathetic to his plight.

It could be a good salesman, narcissistic, who can embrace this idea of the system or other people have wronged him, made some promises to them if they help. So enablers are part and parcel to any crime. No, it wouldn't surprise me. Someone gives him a car, some money, a gun, some food, something that continues this charade or pain

that he's putting on other people, and in time, I think we know from experience, they get those people too. So it wouldn't surprise me in the end if he found some sympathizers willing to help him. There was something you said before about certain people who go to prison and when they come out their view on the world, because the idea that he is able to run away and he allegedly goes back and kidnaps the same woman, any idea in your experience, why somebody would do that is it to commit an unfinished crime do they treat the victim as the person who wronged them it's their fault for what happened again i think that's one of the parts of this story that's the most shocking right he could have spent years convincing to himself that other people are to blame for for his problems he's he's the victim and as a result of that that enables someone to essentially excuse all of their conduct he might have gone there with the idea to try to rationalize explain what happened i've changed I'm back and I presume if he did that he didn't get the response he wanted. So what does he do?

He defaults to violent criminal activity and she is strong to get away. And I empathize with what she's enduring 24 hours a day right now as the pain continues. But he probably went there with good intentions. Let me explain to you what happened. Here's my second shot. And when it didn't go well, he just reverts back to what he always reverts to. Crime, pain and hurting people. But to be clear, when somebody is going to be clear,

is convicted and they're incarcerated, if they get out, do they end up, and we talk about these recidivism rates, do they end up committing crimes that are very similar to what they were originally charged and convicted for, or is there an escalation? Is it something else? Because, again, I find that interesting concerning what he was accused of doing and what he is accused of doing a second time. They tend to revert back to what they know best, committing similar crimes. So if it's burglary, if it's extortion, if it's kidnapping, if it's sex offense, and if they haven't been corrected in prison, they're going to revert back to what they know and to what they're most comfortable with.

And he also had an inkling of what the potential sanction or sentence could be because even with that 10-year federal state sentence that he had, there were some charges I read rape and some other charges were reduced. They got that 10-year sentence. So some people actually calculate what could happen here? If I commit and get caught for this crime, could it be 10 years, could be 20 years. There are some people that are without calculating. But in my experience, they revert back to what they know best, the type of crimes they were committing.

And by the way, just generally speaking, how often do we see people escaping from law enforcement escaping from prison? Does it happen more than we know? It actually happens in some minimum security camps where I serve time because there's no fences or barbed wire. You can just walk off. But in the higher security prisons, it's rare, though it happens. But to have him escape right in front of marshals or officers is a total, total breakdown. needs to be some process he's changed. And again, there needs to be some accountability

for letting him get away. They needed to be on him, watching him, in no way could they have let him get away. And it's coming out with great pain and taxpayer expense to try to track this guy down. We just prayed that no one else has hurt in this process. And from your experience, when you were incarcerated, do people talk about this is how I want to escape,

or they come up with plans to escape? They might not do it. But is that something that is part of the It's not part of the conversation because they wouldn't want to divulge it because there are people on the inside informants who may take that information run to staff with hopes that they share that information, that prisoner or inmate may get some cooperation. They may release him early for tattletailing or snitching some prison parlance, as they say, on another prisoner. There are some people who had such heartache at home. They literally just walk off, but nobody ever knew. Sometimes there have been people escaping from prison with help. from staff. And we've seen some of those cases over the last few years, too, where a sympathetic prison guard gets involved and wants to help that prisoner escape. But no, you would not expect someone to tell somebody else. They don't want anyone to know. By the way, when he's captured, because I imagine that I think it's going to be very difficult for him to stay on the outside.

But if he's captured, when he's captured, what precautions will be put in place for where he's held. Let's say he's ultimately convicted or even just if he's incarcerated or if he's sent to jail as he waits his trial. What extra precautions will be taken for somebody who has a history now of being able to elude law enforcement and right now the U.S. Marshal's Office? Total incomplete lockdown. His lawyers will not be asking for bond. That much that much we know. We total and complete lockdown. Isolated in a cell or some bunker 23, 24 hours a day, only out to make a phone call to his lawyers, a few minutes of exercise. or to shower, they cannot let this happen again.

For that reason, he will be totally isolated. And this is a consequence of his bad choices. And it's coming. He knows that it's coming, which is part of the reason I'm concerned about him going totally rogue, doing something really, really crazy and creating violence or hurting someone else because he knows what's in store for him on the other side. When you serve 10 years in prison as he did, he saw us isolation. He saw lock up.

He saw guys going to the hole. He knows what's in store for him. And if he feels there's no other way out, it's more likely that he makes bad choices. They've got to find him. I want to end with a statement from Diana Williams. She's the founder of Ohio Women Against Domestic Violence. And she released a statement, say, we can see the threat level because the next time we might not be so fortunate where she gets away, meaning the victim in this case. I know the fear, the fear first and foremost is there because this has now happened more than one.

And I think we go back to this idea of the victim in this case and what she went through and what we're talking about here. That has to be tremendously traumatic for her, knowing that he came back or allegedly came back. And I imagine that also for people who are victims of crimes and their perpetrators are ultimately, they escape or they've served their time, they're ultimately out. I imagine that's really traumatic, Justin, for those victims. She'll have the emotional turmoil and pain for the rest of her life. So you have that physical abuse of getting taken and then escaping.

And some victims would argue the emotional turmoil for the rest of her life is worse than the actual experience and what she endured in that time and getting away. So I would agree with what that very nice woman said. It's something she'll suffer with for the rest of her life. Just looking at humanity, the way she interacts with people, the way she trusts people. It is in every single way a lifelong sentence for her. And I hope she gets treatment. I hope she's healthy and strong.

And I hope she has all the resources necessary to overcome. She should be the priority here. And we need to do all we can to make sure that she gets through this as successfully and healthfully as possible. Very well said. Justin Perperney, thank you so much for coming on. Really appreciate it. Thank you. All right, everybody.

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