Law&Crime Sidebar - Top 5 Moments of Alex Jones' Sandy Hook Defamation Trial Week Two

Episode Date: September 23, 2022

Alex Jones was on the stand this week in Connecticut where a jury is considering what damages he will be ordered to pay to families of the victims in the Sandy Hook school shooting. Attorney Rich Schoenstein and Angenette Levy breakdown the top five Jones moments of the week. GUESTS: Rich Schoenstein, Litigator: https://twitter.com/LawfulRiches LAW&CRIME SIDEBAR PRODUCTION:YouTube Management - Bobby SzokePodcasting - Sam GoldbergVideo Editing - Michael Deininger Guest Booking - Alyssa FisherSocial Media Management - Kiera BronsonSUBSCRIBE TO OUR OTHER PODCASTS:Court JunkieObjectionsThey Walk Among AmericaCoptales and CocktailsThe Disturbing TruthSpeaking FreelyLAW&CRIME NETWORK SOCIAL MEDIA:Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lawandcrime/Twitter: https://twitter.com/LawCrimeNetworkFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/lawandcrimeTwitch: https://www.twitch.tv/lawandcrimenetworkTikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@lawandcrimeSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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family of children killed at Sandy Hook Elementary School back in 2012. He is also being sued by FBI agents. It's been something to watch. This whole thing unfold. Sandy Hook was an absolute travesty and a tragedy. And Jones had said for many years he thought it was staged that it was a false flag operation. He has been found liable by default. And he's saying even if there's a judgment against him, guess what? He doesn't have any money. So let's take a look. And now they're having their show trial, and they've made up all this imaginary money I have when I'm in bankruptcy and I'm almost personally out of money. And so it doesn't matter. They do a $500 billion verdict, a $10 million verdict, a $50 million verdict. You can't get blood out of the snow.

You can't get blood out of these granted steps right here. And joining me to discuss this is Rich Schoenstein. He is a law and crime legal analyst. Welcome back to Sidebar, Rich. We love having you on. Great to be here, Ann Jeanette. What do you think of Jones's argument that you can't get blood out of a stone. You can't get blood out of the courthouse steps. I don't have any cash. I'm in bankruptcy. Well, I think this is his ultimate and maybe best defense. You know, there's going to be a jury award in this case, somewhere between large and astronomical, as there was a big award down in Texas. And Jones is going to say three things. One, it's unfair. Two, I can't pay it. And three, I need a lot of people to send me money because I'm continuing this great fight against the government,

et cetera, et cetera. But he's going to hide behind these bankruptcies and his purported financial inability to try to get out of this mess. Now, Alex Jones was on the stand on Thursday, and there was a lot of back and forth between him and attorney Chris Maddie, who represents the plaintiffs in this case. And this is what Alex Jones had to say about Maddie's court performance. Let's take a listen. Well, I don't want to specifically get into attorney-client privilege type stuff, but in Norm Pattis' words, Chris Maddie crap the bat. And his legal colleagues all over the state, the Democrats and Republicans, judges, you name it,

have chimed in and said, my God, that was the most disgusting thing they'd probably ever seen. He looked like a fool. And in a case, they thought they were sure to win, he may have lost the case for him. And I can tell you, Maddie's father, who's a famous lawyer, shoot him out and screamed at him in there yesterday after what he did.

I mean, he absolutely got completely out of control, trying to piss me off. He got out of control. I didn't get out of control. And so we're just going to let him throw more fits in there. And then he'll get up there and Josh Cossop will start crying and then look at the jury and go cry, cry and try to get a big cry fest going in there because they want to suck money out of people. Rich, I'm wondering what you think of this comment. Alex Jones is saying, quote, that Norm Patis told him that Chris Maddie crapped the bed and that he just basically blew it when he was on the stand and that Jones got the better of him.

Your thoughts on that comment. I want to personally have Norm Patis on to ask him, did you say that? Well, listen, I don't let my clients tell anybody what I told them. That's attorney client privilege, so he shouldn't be saying it. But he's also done this thing, right, that a lot of people do it. They say, a lot of people are saying this, that, and the other thing. And it's nonsense. He can have his opinion.

My opinion is that in that fracas, Alex Jones came out the worst of the two. Although I didn't think Matté, it was the best examination I've ever seen. thought Jones came out the worst. Interesting. And let's take a look at a little bit of that back and forth between him and Alex Jones. That's Robert Parker, Mr. Jones. It is.

That's the real Robbie Parker, isn't it? I mean, I said years ago, I thought San Diego had him. Robert Parker's sitting right here. He's real, isn't he? Yes. And for years, you put a target on his back, didn't you? Objection in the form of that, Judge. Well, I mean, I didn't you?

I bet. I've said his name. It's true. I haven't said other people saying something as they are. You put a target on his back, just like you did every single parent and loved one sitting here. No, I didn't. No, you did. That's argumented.

There's no, they're speculative, there is no foundation for it, and it's inappropriate. Let's move on. He's a real people. You know what, Mr. Jones? I think you just called him move on. Just like all the Iraqis, but you liberals kill and love. It's just you're unbelievable. You switch on emotions on and off what you want.

It's just ambulance, Jason. Why don't you show a little respect? Objection, Judge. I think that you get what you give in this courtroom. Objection. You have families in this courtroom here that lost children, sisters, wives, moms. This is a struggle session? Are we in China?

Rich, one thing that I think is interesting is that Alex Jones is kind of what you see is what you get. Obviously, he has a huge following. and a lot of people don't like him, but he does have a big following. And this is him using all of the buzzwords, communist China, everything he talks about on his show, asking whether this is a struggle session. So obviously, that's probably not going to play well with the jury there in Waterbury, Connecticut. No, it's not. And most of what Alex Jones is doing here is intended for outside the courtroom, not inside the courtroom. He can't win this case inside the courtroom. As I said, it's going to be a giant award against him.

But he's sending a message to the people that do support him. And you're right, he's using those trigger words to get to his supporters. Now, let's take a look at what Alex Jones had to say when he was questioned about his calling the judge in this case, Judge Barbara Bellis, a tyrant. You've been telling me your audience, Mr. Jones, this weekend last, that this is a kangaroo court. Judge Bellis is a tyrant. It's part of a call because you don't want your audience to know what's really happening here, isn't that correct? No. Objection, motion, in the opening a door.

Yeah, I don't think I'm opening any door with that. All right, so I think you can answer that question, sir, but just remember the issues that are off limits. Because your credibility, sir, is the most important thing with your audience, isn't it? How do I answer a question, Your Honor, that I've been barred from answering under orders of the court? All right, so the question is, your credibility is the most important? is the most important thing to it. Is that a question that you... The most important thing with your audience.

No, my most important. Okay, no. Your credibility is not your most important. It's crushing the globalists. Crushing globalists. And you tell your audience that they need to keep letting you crush those globalists for the sake of their own families, right?

Objection, Judge. Motion, let me and you are hoping. Maybe on this understanding, but I don't think that there's excuse the jury at this point for five minutes so that we can work out this issue. Okay? So just be patient with us as we've been all along. Rich crushing globalists. That's what Alex Jones says is the most important thing in the world to him, not his credibility, but crushing globalists. Crushing globalists. People who crush globalists are well known for selling supplements

and other products and raising a lot of money. So I think his number one goal is generating cash. I take it with a little bit of grain of salt. I don't think the jury's going to buy it at all. And obviously, him going off about the court is a bad look. And I'm wondering if we're going to see crushing globalist T-shirts coming out. Maybe bumper stickers, too. I don't know. I mean, the guy, he's a businessman, right? Right. And that's what he's doing, Antoinette. He's trying to generate business. You know, he went out right after he lost that case in Texas and started, had Roger Stone go on, I think, the night of and tell people that they should be buying products, sending Alex Jones money. He's going to do the same thing here. He's trying to turn a loss in these

litigations into a financial windfall. I've always wanted to interview Roger Stone. I watched a documentary about him a long time ago, but maybe that'll be a show for another day. Let's look now as Chris Maddie questions Alex Jones about the importance of this case. And this is an important case. You understand that. I mean, that's our opinion. You don't think this is an important case? That's a yes or no, sir. It's not, I don't really think it is a case.

I don't think it is a case. Okay, we're going to just, there's going to be a lot of this today. Objection, Judge. All right, so let me, let's iron out the wrinkles now. If you can answer the question with the yes or no, Mr. Jones, the answer with the yes, you know the answer. You don't know the answer. You can say you don't know the answer.

And, of course, if there's an objection, we'll just wait for the middle amount of it. This is an important case isn't Mr. Jones? I think this is historic. Rich, obviously, Alex Jones thinks that this case is historic for much different reasons than maybe Chris Maddie does, right? Right. Well, Alex Jones doesn't seem to be clear on whether or not it even is a case. First, he said it wasn't, then he said it was. But it is a case.

I can confirm that. The things he's interested, though, all the First Amendment, all of those kind of issues, would have been addressed in the liability part of this case. But again, remember, Alex Jones forfeited that. He didn't participate in discovery. He didn't provide evidence. He didn't get to make the kind of arguments he wants to make now. So he's trying to inject them. But really now, this case is just about damages.

It's just about setting a number. And it's if you wanted to argue that it wasn't a case, the pretrial phase was the time. to do that, not when we got to this point. Well, Rich Schoenstein, thank you so much for joining us and for your time as always. We appreciate it. Great being here. Thank you. And that's it for this edition of Law and Crime Sidebar podcast. It is produced by Michael Dininger and Sam Goldberg. Bobby Zoki is our YouTube manager. Alyssa Fisher handles our bookings and Kiera Bronson does our social media. You can download and listen to Sidebar on Apple, Spotify, Google, and wherever else you get your podcast. And of course, you can always watch it on Law and Crimes YouTube channel.

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