Legal AF by MeidasTouch - Arizona MOVING QUICK to Take Action Against Trump

Episode Date: March 6, 2024

Will Arizona indict Trump for election interference before the Supreme Court issues its immunity ruling in May? It’s a race and Michael Popok tells you who he knows will win in the battle between the Arizona Attorney General and Trump. Thank you to our sponsor HumanN! Get a free 30-day supply of SuperBeets heart chews and a FREE Full-Sized Bag of Turmeric Chews valued at $25 by going to http://legalafbeets.com Visit https://meidastouch.com for more! Remember to subscribe to ALL the MeidasTouch Network Podcasts: MeidasTouch: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/meidastouch-podcast Legal AF: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/legal-af The PoliticsGirl Podcast: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/the-politicsgirl-podcast The Influence Continuum: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/the-influence-continuum-with-dr-steven-hassan Mea Culpa with Michael Cohen: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/mea-culpa-with-michael-cohen The Weekend Show: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/the-weekend-show Burn the Boats: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/burn-the-boats Majority 54: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/majority-54 Political Beatdown: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/political-beatdown Lights On with Jessica Denson: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/lights-on-with-jessica-denson On Democracy with FP Wellman: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/on-democracy-with-fpwellman Uncovered: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/maga-uncovered Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Michael Popak with a legal AF hot take, will Donald Trump be indicted by the attorney general of Arizona before the immunity oral argument by the United States Supreme Court on the 25th of April? That's what we want to know. Is Chris Mays going to finish her investigation, which has already issued grand jury subpoenas and is focused on Donald Trump, Mark Meadows, Rudy Giuliani, and Eastman and Chesborough. Will she then get an indictment so that that's something else that the Supreme Court is going to have to consider whether he has immunity because of his electioneering and campaigning that Donald Trump did to try to stay in office? Yes or no immunity or not.

In either event, that can't be the concern of the attorney general of Arizona, Chris Mays. She's moving forward with her investigation that we reported on over the summer with the grand jury heated up with these grand jury subpoenas. And for people that are close to the investigation, they've said the focus has been on Donald Trump, that Chris Mays is gonna have to make an ultimate decision. She's got a couple of decisions. Is she going to indict Donald Trump

through the grand jury process so that he has another state prosecution to deal with in addition to New York and Georgia? The Georgia one is mired right now in this side show related to Fawni Willis and Nathan Wade, the prosecutors. And we've got completely sidetracked from the indictment of Donald Trump and 16 or 17 others in Georgia by a grand jury in Georgia. And we're all tied up with, you know, what's going on after hours with two prosecutors, as if that matters to the indictment. But this would open up a new front against Donald Trump, who's already stretched thin with his defense team

to have to deal with a new indictment. Yes, it would put Arizona right in the middle of the jackpot of the United States Supreme Court and their decision on immunity. Because if he's immune from suit to have the federal case dismissed, the question is, is's immune from suit to have federal, the federal case dismissed, the question is, is he immune from prosecution at the state level and state cases

for which he does not have pardon power, should there be inevitable or the impossible happen and Donald Trump returned to power. But the focus here on this hot take is Arizona. They already have cooperating witnesses. What happened in Arizona? Fake electors happened in Arizona, led by Donald Trump, his Trump's campaign, Mark Meadows,

coordinating the work along with Mike Roman, who are also indicted in Georgia to get fake electors to not only in Arizona, they went one step further. They didn't just meet in secret in December and cast fake certificates that were used and brought through Ken Chesbro and Mike Roman to the doorstep and dropped at the foot of Mike Pence

to try to pressure him. They filed a lawsuit in Arizona led by the fake electors, two of which were state senators at the time, and one of which Kelly Ward was the chairman of the Arizona GOP. And the lawsuit, and it ended up, of course, filtered through in Jack Smith, the special counsel's indictment in DC

is referenced to what happened in Arizona, including reference to this lawsuit in the attempt to use it to pressure Mike Pence. So Arizona went one step further. They were like fake electors plus, if you will. Well, the other states, many of them, the battleground states, they just met in secret and put a fake wax seal on it and sent it off

into the National Archive, into federal judges and hope that it would work. Arizona went one step further. Arizona, you will recall, is also the location of then Speaker of the House of the Arizona State House, Rusty Bowers. Rusty Bowers testified to the Jan 6th Committee and ultimately to the Arizona

investigators working for the Attorney General and to Jack Smith that he was pressured by a phone call by Giuliani and Donald Trump himself to try to get him to overturn the will of the people. And as even though he was a Republican, he wasn't MAGA and he told them, no way, he was not going to participate in that without evidence. And of course, Rudy Giuliani had no evidence of voter fraud or election fraud or anything of the sort. So Rusty Bowers did not follow him at much political peril because Rusty Bowers is no longer the speaker of the House in Arizona, but he is a cooperating witness with Chris Mays's investigation as is some of the fake electors as well. But now you start at the

bottom in an investigation and you make your way to the apex to reach the apex predators, and that's Trump, Meadows, Giuliani, Chesborough, and Eastman. And that is the new reporting. Kelly Mays' decision, as I said at the top of the hot take, takes two forms. One, is she going to indict or have the grand jury seek the indictment of Donald Trump from the grand jury yesterday? And is her indictment and her focus, if her criminal investigation, as an attorney general in Arizona solely on Arizona and the interference with the election process in Arizona, or is it broader a la Fonnie Willis in Georgia, which also mentioned the other battleground states. My guess, watching Fonnie Willis in action in Georgia, Chris Mays is going to learn from that, and

she's going to focus solely on Arizona, which is probably a relief to Jack Smith because he's got some of the battleground states mentioned his predicate accent, his his indictment against Donald Trump. Now already, already lawyers for the possibly indicted, that's a good term, the possibly indicted like Mark Meadows, his lawyer, Mr. Terwilliger said, well, we just had a ruling by the United States Supreme Court of the 14th Amendment, Section 3, and ballots and insurrectionists. And it stands for the proposition to watch them stretch this like silly putty, the results of a very relatively narrow decision by the United States Supreme Court. He said, well, that just shows

you they don't want states meddling in federal affairs. And what is what is Chris Mays doing, the attorney general of Arizona? She's meddling in federal affairs. And look what happens. Wrong. Every case that's that is that's even beside about the United States Supreme Court also stands for the position and the proposition that states alongside the federal government have a role in the federal and presidential election process, including at the electorate level, the setting,

the rules and regulations at voting places, how the ballot is going to look, and things like that. So of course, if there is interference with the electoral results and there's a disc and there's an attempt to disconnect the voters from the result fraudulently, as has been claimed in Arizona, of course, the attorney general has to get to the bottom of it. It's not just the feds. The feds have, they've indicted. But if Terwilliger for Meadows thinks he's going to use the most recent

decision in Anderson. The Anderson decision related to the Colorado Supreme Court ruling with the U.S. Supreme Court ruling that no, no, the 14th Amendment Section 3 applies to insurrectionists, but that's not for the states to decide. That's different than criminal prosecution pursuant to the powers and duties of an attorney general of a state related to election fraud in her state. That is her province.

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supply of SuperBeats Heart Chews on all bundles and a free full-size bag of turmeric juice valued at $25 with your order by going to legalafbeats.com. Get this exclusive offer only at legalafbeats.com. But you see how the other side distorts and stretches beyond all recognition, even recent, you know, like Supreme Court precedent from a week ago. There's no way you can read the Anderson decision. And yes, I've read the Anderson decision. There's no way to read it and come away with it with Martin, with the talking point, the little clip that Mark Meadows lawyer just used does not stand for the proposition is what I'm trying to say. And the Anderson decision does not stand for the proposition that forever I'm trying to say. And the Anderson decision is not stand for the proposition that forevermore, attorney generals

and other law enforcement in a state can investigate attempts to interfere with the electoral process in that state and disenfranchise its voters, even if it's a federal election. Even the right wing Magus Supreme Court would say that. So forget that talking point to the extent that you hear it or somebody in a palm card

decides to tell you that in their debate with you, it's untrue. The real issue about the United States Supreme Court that's important here is whether the attorney general of Arizona is gonna get her indictment in place before the Supreme Court makes the ruling on immunity, just to bring everybody up to speed. So we're all singing from the same page of the hymnal here

on this hot take. United States Supreme Court has said oral argument for briefing by the 25th of April on the issue of whether the DC Court of Appeals was right or wrong in their decision that there is no and cannot be any absolute presidential immunity from criminal conduct while in office. Period.

The only issue that the Supreme Court is interested in is just one issue. Kind of former president use immunity concerning official acts, but that begs the question. There are plenty of acts that Donald Trump did as campaigner-in-chief, electioneering-in-chief, trying to get reelected-in-chief that are not part of his official duties. So if Donald Trump thinks that the way the Supreme Court has framed their appeal so narrowly is good for him, it's not. He thinks it's a life preserver. I see it as an anvil that will be his undoing. But attorney general's got to do what attorney generals do. And that means if they got a grand jury and they've got the evidence, use your prosecutorial discretion and seek the indictment of Donald Trump in

Arizona and let the immunity chips fall where they may. We're not there yet. Should not stop or delay. It won't stop or delay Chris Mays in this area. So we're going to continue to follow as we have right from the very beginning. The Attorney General of Arizona, like the Attorney General for Michigan, Dana Nessel, like the other Attorney Generals of the battleground states. You know, Georgia is being handled by the Fondie Willis prosecution. Michigan, there's already not only is there the fake

electors being prosecuted, but there's a review to see whether others including all the way at the top, like Donald Trump should be prosecuted. Arizona is doing its thing. I'm not sure what's going on in Pennsylvania or in the other battleground states, but I can release report here on Arizona, which is the purpose of the hot take. If you like what we're doing here, this kind of analysis, if you like lawyers talking about things that they know what they're talking about at the intersection of law and politics, you've come to the right place, legal AF. Yes, that cheekily named podcast at the intersection of law, politics and justice resides in one place on the dial on the Midas Touch YouTube channel.

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