Legal AF by MeidasTouch - Cannon CAN’T HELP Trump ANY MORE

Episode Date: August 1, 2024

Michael Popok is joined by Meidas Touch Legal Commentator, Dina Doll (sitting in for KFA) for the Midweek Edition of the top-rated Legal AF podcast. On this episode, with the backdrop of a surging VP Kamala Harris presidential campaign flipping the script on Trump in the Battleground States, the anchors discuss and debate: Attorney General Merrick Garland criticizing Judge Aileen Cannon for dismissing the Mar a Lago Trump indictment as the DOJ appeals her order; VP Harris leading the charge to reform the Supreme Court including adding new justices and term limits, in light of new Supreme Court leaks about their deliberations and opinions before they are issued, Judge Chutkan gears up for a new hearing on how to get the Special Counsel’s DC election interference criminal case against Trump back on track, and so much more at the intersection of law and politics. Join the Legal AF Patreon: https://Patreon.com/LegalAF Thanks to our sponsors: Miracle Made: Upgrade your sleep with Miracle Made! Go to https://TryMiracle.com/LEGALAF and use the code LEGALAF to claim your FREE 3 PIECE TOWEL SET and SAVE over 40% OFF. Soul: Go to GetSoul.com and use code LEGALAF to get 30% OFF your order! Beam: Get up to 40% off for a limited time when you go to https://shopbeam.com/LEGALAF and use code LEGALAF at checkout! Laundry Sauce: Get up to 40% off for a limited time when you go to https://shopbeam.com/LEGALAF and use code LEGALAF at checkout! Remember to subscribe to ALL the MeidasTouch Network Podcasts: MeidasTouch: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/meidastouch-podcast Legal AF: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/legal-af MissTrial: https://meidasnews.com/tag/miss-trial The PoliticsGirl Podcast: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/the-politicsgirl-podcast The Influence Continuum: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/the-influence-continuum-with-dr-steven-hassan Mea Culpa with Michael Cohen: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/mea-culpa-with-michael-cohen The Weekend Show: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/the-weekend-show Burn the Boats: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/burn-the-boats Majority 54: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/majority-54 Political Beatdown: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/political-beatdown Lights On with Jessica Denson: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/lights-on-with-jessica-denson On Democracy with FP Wellman: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/on-democracy-with-fpwellman Uncovered: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/maga-uncovered Coalition of the Sane: https://meidasnews.com/tag/coalition-of-the-sane Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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of law and politics. So what we're going to talk about today, we've got as a backdrop at the intersection of law and politics, so what we're going to talk about today, we've got a surging Vice President Kamala Harris, who's already taken the lead in the five major battleground states, she's done everything that she can do to activate all the major voting blocks that are historically democratic, but certainly we're sort of hanging back when President Biden was the candidate. But now, whether it's Gen Z, or it's the black and brown vote, or it's women or people

that support women, they are not just voting for Kamala Harris, but excited to vote for her. There's a surge in people that have told pollsters by over 30 or 40% that they are going to now get off the couch and vote because of Kamala Harris. And that spells bad news for Donald Trump. You and I were joking before we started the show today that I almost think now Donald Trump is purposely tanking this election. There's no other way to explain his decision or whoever's decision it was and if it was his another one of bad judgment to go in front of a group of black journalists and question Kamala Harris's blackness. Nothing like an old white guy who's a racist to question the

racial identity or ethnicity of a candidate. I mean, it's almost I'm thinking like, you know, if you wrote a script of how do I throw the election? And how do I get my opponent's constituency to get really enthusiastic to vote for her? This would be the way to do it. And so against that backdrop, we're gonna talk about, and of course we got JD Vance, which I'm trying to come up, I'm not Michael Cohen, but I'm trying to come up with nicknames for JD Vance.

I think drag coefficient on the ticket is one. The legend of beggar Vance is another. He is doing, I mean, all Donald Trump is doing is doing damage control about his vice presidential candidate, which is the exact opposite of the do no arm is why you pick the person. And if, and if Kamala is already ahead in the polls, she hasn't even gotten the convention bounce or the vice president pick bounce. And Donald Trump's high high point is got to be convention, Butler, Pennsylvania, whatever happened

there. And, and Mar-a-Lago's indictment getting dismissed, which we're going to talk about here. That's his high point. He peaked in July. But we got an election in November, which we're going to talk about here. That's his high point. He peaked in July, but we got an election in November and we've got cases to talk about here. And here on the midweek edition, we're going to talk about Merrick Garland in his own way, finally responding to the criticism that he doesn't know how to do his job

or he mistakenly appointed a special counsel that wasn't properly empowered or funded. He screwed up the whole Mar-a-Lago thing. We're going to hear from Merrick Garland, not live, but we've got some clips of him and his fight back, and what it means for the 11th Circuit appeal that will be resolved before the summer is over about Aileen Cannon's outlier rogue decision against the weight of Supreme Court precedent going back 50 years

To dismiss the indictment because she doesn't think the special counsel is a is valid Or anything like that speaking of judges who do know what they what who knew who do know what they're doing and aren't weird Our operative phrase today. We've got judge Chuckin She is going to be holding a hearing in mid August, we're already in August effectively, about how to put that DC election interference case of the real, not imagined, valid, not invalid, constitutional, not unconstitutional,

special counsel, Jack Smith, in his DC election interference case. She's got a lot of work to do. She's gonna be on vacation, so we're not gonna hear from her till about the 12th of August, but we kind of have an idea of what she's going to be handling. We wanted to give people a little bit of a viewing guide about Judge Chutkin and her next hearing in that particular case. And then we'll talk about what else, yet another leak at the Supreme Court of another abortion decision.

I mean, what is it with this Supreme Court and women's reproductive rights? They just can't keep their mouth shut and it only creates a negative impact on our perception of the United States Supreme Court and their integrity. And I think their integrity is in shreds. And against that backdrop of that event,

we've got Vice President Harris, who's gonna be the nominee for president, of course, and Joe Biden in his last remaining days, going after what people are demanding, the reformation of that branch of government. And we're gonna talk about the various ways that the Biden-Harr Harris administration are going to do it and why this may be the exact right moment

on the heels of all the scandals with Clarence Thomas, with Alito, the new leaks that we'll talk about about the Idaho decision on abortion and the one that came out two years ago in the Dobson. This might be just the perfect exquisite timing and something that Kamala Harris can make as part of her closing argument to the American people

and in her future, I guess, debate with Donald Trump. Dina, long-winded introduction, glad you're here. Oh my gosh, so much there. And yeah, she's electric right now and the chances of her winning means all these legal issues against Trump continue. So it's a really exciting time, not only for her to be president, for those of us who

want him to be held legally accountable and makes it more likely to. And just real fast about your comment about JD Vance. He may be saving democracy not only because he's a drag on the ticket, but because Trump can't be a loser. And maybe he can point to JD Vance and blame him for losing rather than try to overthrow our government today again,

because he can't lose. So let's see what goes with that. But maybe he needs a scapegoat, let's be honest, right? Yeah, I agree. I mean, there's already talk that Trump may try to fire Vance using Joe Biden reshuffling the deck as his example. Look, if anybody's gonna use an example, I see somebody in the chat tonight saying, and I'm not sure I disagree with this, I want to get your opinion. Somebody in the chat tonight is saying, you know what Joe Biden should

do on the way out? He should exercise his pardon power, which is unfettered, and pardon Hunter Biden. Let's end the long national nightmare that is the Hunter Biden affair once and for all and put it out of its misery. And you know what? What do you think? That's a good question from the chat. What do you think Joe Biden would use his unfettered pardon power? He's got the right. He'll be on his way. And he could be the 1159, the last moment before he leaves. Do you think he does it? And do you think he should do it?

I think he should do it. I mean, it's tough because you already said he wouldn't do it. So he might feel like he needs to stick to that. But that was such a political, you know, conviction. I think actually, if Biden doesn't feel like he can do it, I think Kamala Harris, if she wins, should do it. I think that should be over. And so one way or the other, I do think he should be pardoned.

And I hope Joe Biden doesn't feel like he has to stick to what he said because that was, I think, just beyond by convicting him. Yeah, I agree. And it could be the first great thing that Kamala does. She'll do a lot of great things in the first hundred days in the first four years or eight, first four of her eight year term there. What we're watching with Kamala and then we'll switch from the politics

to the intersection of law and politics but it's so important. We're such an important moment now. We'd be remiss if our network didn't pivot and talk more about the surge in candidacy of Kamala Harris, who so deserves it. You know, people are like, well, God, who is this person? She's so appealing. She's so charismatic. She has so much leadership and a body of work, you know, right, because when she was vice president, there's another job to be done, which is your second, and you stand behind the president. And you don't, you know, you're not even though I think she was a co president in the way that Biden was for Barack Obama, or the way that Gore was for Clinton, you know, I think she was a partner in that in that office of the presidency, there was

a president and there's things you can and can't do and things you can and can't say. You can't speak your mind. I mean, Joe Biden was notorious for speaking his mind when he was Obama's vice president, but he was also an older guy that was prone to saying things out loud. She's not going to do that. She is a cautious, careful, charismatic leader. But what we're seeing is her making her case for being president of the United States, not at a continuation. It's not an elevation. It's not a promotion. It's a whole nother job. And it's a whole nother closing argument that this is what we're watching. And what we're watching, I think, I want to get your opinion on this, is Donald Trump, now that the flip, the script has been flipped, all of his old hackneyed, old guy jokes are gone because he's the old guy now, right? He'll be the oldest person

to occupy the White House if he were to win. So forget that. And then it points out so poignantly his inherent racism and he can't help himself. I mean, we saw it in this in this mind blowing interview and Midas is running clips on it of Donald Trump in Detroit with black journalists. I mean whoever let him do that should be either fired or given the Congressional Medal of Honor if this leads to his loss which it should in at election time. But just pointing up a 59 year old woman candidate who's also proud of being both black and being Indian and whatever else she had self-identifies as and she has the right to do that to see that up against Donald Trump

is going to drive him mad and we're just watching if if what happened in Pennsylvania Pennsylvania Didn't cause him to have PTSD going up against Kamala Harris now Is it will so let's talk about we comment on that then we'll talk about Merrick Merrick Garland And how he's he's finally fighting for himself and fighting back as well I mean I saw that comment that Trump made kind of like everyone else in the news and it was just shocking I mean, we know he's racist, but it's like he keeps unraveling the onion and it gets worse and worse.

I'm multicultural. I grew up in a multicultural family. My father is an immigrant and my mother was born here for years. And my father is Arabic, my mom's European. And I'm like, how do you not get the concept that most, frankly, people in this country are either biracial or grow up in a multi-ethnic home? I'm like, really?

Are you that clueless? And you think this is a good argument? He just shows how disconnected he is, really, to the American people. So I don't know, he keeps shocking me in a bad way. And I don't think that certainly like it adds at all to any of his contentures, but it seems to be like the playbook. He's doubling down on the racism.

He's thinking it's helping him, JD Vance, you know, to me it doesn't work and it's just kind of disgusting. Frankly, I don't understand how you can misunderstand millions of Americans and still think they're going to vote for you. It's the last gasp of this party. They're intellectually and morally bankrupt and hollowed out. The country is getting browner, not whiter. That's a good thing and more diverse. They want to, you know, they want to get into this whole

DEI. And, you know, oh, the bridge collapsed because there was a DEI mayor and the border is out of control because it's a D. They fell in love with the whole, you know, you know, all the attacks that that seemed to land successfully during the Black Lives Matter movement now ring quite hollow when the candidate against you is an accomplished woman who self-identifies, however she self-identifies, she does black.

I mean, she went to an historic black university. She was a member of a historic black sorority. I mean, the fact that Donald Trump just woke up and figured out, you know, how sheidentified is not is not the measure of her Character or you know or who she is as a person but but we just have to keep pressurizing Donald Trump because the more tired and exhausted and set upon that he is by

media like Legal AF and Midas Touch and the Kamala Harris campaign, which is doing a masterful job of responding almost in the immediacy to anything by the time it's coming out of his mouth like a cartoon balloon, they've already got it flipped on him with a meme and a clip and her speech. I mean, somebody told me I might as touch. I don't know if this is true. But I believe it because I was told by our people that she's using the same people that Biden was using, but it's in her hand in her hands with her vitality and her energy and

her own lawyer, prosecutor, you know, like you and me lawyers who know how to make a point and make it quick It is just I mean we we we remarked on when Obama had you know Plough and axle rod people forget who these people were who helped get him elected But right now she's running a flawless Campaign, we can't take it for granted. We got to work hard for about Merrick Garland because he's he's taken a lot of flack is not weird, but he's taken a lot of flack. And he went on a recent interview in which the it was like a wide ranging interview. They talked about the Secret Service, which is sort of

underneath to Jay and different other Homeland Security and things. And they got to the point about alien canon, the judge in Southern District of Florida, who decided to dismiss the entirety of the indictment because she found that Jack Smith is a figment of our imagination. That he's not, he's just a guy. He's just a stranger. He's just Jack Smith. He's not a special prosecutor or counsel at all. He has no powers and he's not funded properly and the indictment should go by the wayside. Let's hear from Merrick Garland who's finally spoken up and spoken out about whether Jack Smith is employed by the

Department of Justice and whether he takes his ultimate marching orders from somebody named the Attorney General. Judge Eileen Cannon ruled that the way the Justice Department has been picking special counsels for decades is illegal, unconstitutional Why do you disagree with that? Look? I as you well know I picked this room for this interview This is my favorite room and the Justice Department. It's a law library for more than 20 years. I was a federal judge Do I look like somebody who would make that basic mistake about the law? I don't think so

Our position is that it's constitutional and valid. That's why we appealed. I will say that this is the same process of appointing special counsel as was followed in the previous administration and the special counsel Durham and special counsel Muller in multiple special counsel councils over the decades going back to Watergate and the special prosecutor in that case. Until now, every single court, including the Supreme Court, that has considered the legality of a special council appointment has upheld it. Right. So that's a very good point that General Garland made there. John Durham, who was a special counsel,

who was part of the Russia investigation, but was under Barr, he was made a special counsel by Bill Barr, ultimately by Donald Trump. And nobody suggested that Donald Trump didn't have the power through as an attorney general to create John Durham. John Durham spent millions of dollars to do nothing. And invest, you know, he brought one prosecute,

he brought three prosecutions, they all failed. Nobody got convicted and it was a ridiculous charade, but nobody challenged that. And what, and for our audience, what the attorney general Garland is talking about, and I'll turn it over to you, Dina, about it. What he's talking about is back as far back as 1974, in a line of cases involving Richard Nixon, you know, the then the then Attorney General acting Attorney General, because Attorney General's went to jail under

Nixon, okay, he was our first criminal president who was caught. And a lot of people went to jail around him, including some that are now talking heads and have been on our network and have given interviews. But you know, at the time they were criminals and they went to jail. But the Robert Bork, people might remember was this close to becoming a Supreme Court justice but didn't make it. He was then the acting attorney general and before the Watergate Commission, which was a bipartisan, boy remember those days, bipartisan congressional commission

investigating what the heck happened with Watergate and what heads should roll. He made a promise that he would appoint a special prosecutor. That special prosecutor became Leon Jaworski. If you go back in Wiki and history, you'll see Leon Jaworski was the prosecutor for most of Watergate. That was based on a promise that was made

from the acting attorney general to Congress. They were like, okay, that's fine. So that's the start of it. And his powers were validated by the United States Supreme Court who enforced his subpoena power as a special prosecutor. Then we had an independent counsel for a period of time under a special prosecutor. Then we had an independent counsel for a period of time under a congressional statute. And then that spawned things like the Ken Star Whitewater

investigation and what became Monica Lewinsky and her allegations against Clinton. Everybody hated it on both sides of the aisle. They got rid of that independent counsel role. And instead it was replaced by the Department of Justice exercising its rights under the Constitution, under the Attorney General to employ inferior officers that report to the Attorney General, including what's called special attorneys that are listed in the Constitution. And that's exactly what Merrick Garland did. And every court that has looked at it, every court alien canon every federal court citing back to us versus nixon the supreme court precedent has upheld the validity of the of a of a special counsel special prosecutor whatever you want to call it not alien canon new to the bench appointed by trump in 2020

no no 93 pages she decided this has been done wrong all this time because she heeded the call of Clarence Thomas, right, who wrote his concurring opinion in the in the case about in the immunity in the in the immunity case and said, Hey, Aileen, this is my paraphrase, my artist rendering, hey, why don't you why don't you argue that the special counsel is invalid, and then you get rid of the whole indictment, right on cue three weeks later, she did exactly that. Talk to me about how you're seeing Merrick Garland and why do you think while the appeal is now pending before the 11th circuit, why is Merrick Garland taking

to the airwaves in order to basically give his position? Oh, I loved that hearing Merrick Garland because for Merrick Garland, those are fighting words. Like he is most even keel person out there. And when he's angry, and I wouldn't want to upset somebody that smart and with that much power. And that's what they've done to Merrick Garland. He has been trying to be so reasonable. And I think he's catching up to the rest of us.

You can't be reasonable to unreasonable people. But he has acted, you know, he was very moderate when Obama went to appoint him to the Supreme Court. At the time, he had voted very similar to Kavanaugh over all these years on the DC court of appeals. He was a very moderate, maybe even slightly conservative, and put into this position as attorney general, taking it very seriously.

He's so professional, tried to always seem above board, and this has finally gotten to him. And you know what? Good, like let's get him fired up. He's definitely fired up in that interview. He's frankly like just shocked because the fact is a judge can, and what she tried to do was create new law.

You can't do that on the district court level. You can do that if you're at the Supreme Court level, but you can't do it at her level. She's just supposed to follow the law. It's very clear the law is that special counsels have been allowed. They allowed that congressional act that you mentioned, independent counsel, to lapse because they thought it was unnecessary. And all these years since then, everybody has acted as if the current, you know, the preexisting, let's say congressional statutes toward attorney generals allow them to do it. So this is her trying to create new law. And the thing about Judge Cannon, and I say this a lot when I talked about her,

is because people often talked about her criticism saying she wasn't very smart. And that's just giving her an out. That's not it. She came from Gibson, Denny Crutcher, the same law firm I came from and the same law firm Ted Olson came from. If you remember Ted Olson,

he represented Bush and Bush v. Gore. It's also got some liberal lions. Ted Boutrous was the one that filed the lawsuit when Jim Jordan was trying to subpoena Alvin Bragg just recently in the New York DA case. So there's both sides. But there are some really high-powered political lawyers that come out of that law firm.

It is not a coincidence that she took a Justice Alito who is nearing retirement, right? And you said like, he called out to her and she heard back and she was auditioning like, hey, you can step down, I will rule as you would want to rule. That was definitely like a conversation, let's say between between the two of them, because it was not based in the law and Trump. And she did it in front of Trump, who she was hoping would win and be able to appoint a Supreme Court justice. Because a lot of times we see that.

We see justices step down thinking that another justice like them will go in their place. We saw that when Kavanaugh was replaced, I think it was with Breyer, because he had clerked with him before, so he was comfortable stepping down, thinking he was gonna replace him. So that happens.

So she was clearly auditioning for the role of a substitute for Justice Alito. And frankly, the only way to stop that is by having Kamala win in November, which as we talked about, it's looking really great, but we still have to go out there and vote. But that's what she was doing. And so, you know, this is this, she's making it political,

but I love that Merrick Garland, he's got his fight in it now, I think in a way he didn't before. They have ratcheted it up. And I wouldn't want to be somebody who's on the other side of Merrick Garland once he's fired up. Yeah. And for those that are, I'm watching the chat, for those that are, want to watch Kamala,

I agree, go watch Kamala. She's, come back. We're here. We're here. We'll be here all week. And we have audio versions of legal AF people always ask how can they support the show. I'm also wondering why people are on slow mo. Because sometimes they catch me when I'm doing a piece of the argument, or a piece of the

discussion. And then before I turn it over to you, they're like, pop pop, what left the other person talk? I'm like, well, when you tune into the other person, what do you say there? So what? Well, you were while you were analyzing somebody just wrote let her talk. I'm like let her talk I'm not even my mic's not even on I don't even know what you're talking about I don't think you understand how this show works But but listen, there's a lot going on at the same time and yeah And if you give you that's why people love multiple screens, you know, watch watch Kamala do or Texas sorority speech today

We cover all the speeches. Yeah, we can on the Midas touch network It's really really important and you know what we're talking about is is we think important, but I mean we get it We get you and I saw another good comment in the chat, which was Why don't why don't somebody should pardon Michael Cohen? I think that's a real possibility. I mean, Michael was hung out to dry by, by bill Barr slash Donald Trump and prosecuted as a result. I mean, there's some other issues that came up later on after that, but, but that would be, I think certainly the Midas Touch Network and I'm, I'm friendly with Michael.

I think Michael would appreciate it. And I think he deserves it. I mean, if you've seen the list of people that have been partnered or had their sentences commuted or given clemency Michael Cohen Who did a solid for America and democracy and paid a? healthy price with his family Should be on that list and I think those those are things that we're going to talk about so back to support for a minute Yeah We're getting awful. We're getting awful close to 3 million free subscribers

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Oh, great question. I mean, thank goodness we have Judge Checkin in charge here because this is not going to be an easy task. The Supreme Court basically sent it back down with her with some very broad but vague direction, right? As we know, they separated the actions into Article II actions, which have absolute immunity, other presidential actions, which have a presumption

of immunity, and private actions while he was president that have no immunity at all. So what's going, we basically know at least a little bit of what's going to happen when she comes back from vacation. The parties will get together as a status conference and most likely she's going to be asking for briefing as to what they each think. Jack Smith is going to argue that most of the actions are private actions, maybe also some of them have a presumption of immunity. But he's really not going to want to say any of these have absolute immunity, whereas Trump's lawyers

are going to say that they all have absolute immunity. So she's going to ask for a briefing for them to really kind of try to put forward their arguments as to what the different charges involve, what different actions involve, and give them a chance to flush that out. Most likely, we're also gonna see Trump's lawyers try to put in this special counsel argument

now that we have the Judge Cannon in Florida saying that it was not proper. They would be remiss not to try to make that same argument with Judge Chukin. We don't see Judge Chukin agreeing with that like Judge Cannon, but they're going to make that argument. So they're going to have these, have to parse, that's what Judge Chuckin is going to have to parse out. I think we're going to see briefs before the November election, at least I hope so, at least some sort of briefs. It is true, federal courts go very slowly. I think everybody here following along this

knows how slowly this is. But the parties knew this was coming and they've also had this opinion now since the beginning of July. So I don't think it's unreasonable for her to give them maybe 60 days, let's say, to file some sort of briefs. Jack Smith should hopefully ask for it even sooner, because there might be this election not going his way.

He should try to ask for it to kind of go as quickly as possible. In terms of like any bright precedent, let's say, we see, Trump was already sued civilly, for a lot of these same actions by the Capitol police officers that were injured and others. And he tried to dismiss that lawsuit, saying this was involving my presidential actions,

and so therefore should be dismissed. Because the law prior even to the Supreme Court before this was that a president couldn't be sued civilly for any of their official conduct, only for their private conduct. So he tried to file a motion to dismiss. And interestingly, the DC Court of Appeals did not allow him to dismiss that. And in particular, one of his own appointees noted in his concurring opinion that the campaign money was used for that rally that day where he gave that speech, like inciting the mob to go to the Capitol. That speech was done with campaign money. So they couldn't say as a matter of law that his actions that day were official.

It was going to be an issue of fact. And so that they can then try to win like in a summary judgment motion, but they couldn't overcome that hurdle of a motion to dismiss. So we'll see Jack Smith, certainly in their briefs, making those similar arguments. He has the briefing already from those civil lawsuits that

he can pull from and see what the DC Court of Appeals did for that. So there are, you know, we saw the Supreme Court opinion mention his conversation with the attorney general and how that was considered absolute immunity. We see the DC Court of Appeals saying that it was not as a matter of law official conduct in his speech at the campaign. So there's already some, you know, let's say parameters out there in precedent that we have some idea maybe of Judge Chuckin will go, but there's a whole lot in between that. Again, thankfully she's the judge in charge because one, she's just been very professional in her handing of this case and has done it very efficiently and hasn't slowed it down

unnecessarily like Judge Cannon. But also this is going to be difficult. It's going to be a big ask legally to be the first judge to apply this broad yet vague Supreme Court decision. But I do think we're going to see something in writing from the parties before the election. Yeah, I agree with that. And just for those that are tuning in late, Karen, we start getting in the summers. And that

sometimes means family and travel and things like that. And so Karen's doing great, but wasn't available right at the moment that we usually do the show. So Dina doll who's kind of becoming a regular stand in and has joined us on Saturday editions of Legal AF when Ben was getting married with Karen has done duets with me and we're doing a lot more of them, especially about the United States Supreme Court and the decision there, which we're going to talk about next.

We're going to try to cover the Supreme Court regularly and together I'll fill in a couple of things that I know or I think I know. The reason that there's been a delay even this long is that there's a certain amount of time after the United States Supreme Court rules before the mandate actually gets turned over to the trial judge in order to execute on it. And that would have timed out about the 2nd of August, but Judge Chutkin, as somebody said in our chat wisely, picked up on, Judge Chutkin had told the parties that unless there's a trial, she was taking her regularly scheduled vacation. She's entitled to a vacation. Nobody's been under more pressure. As a judge, then Judge Chutkin death threats, racist voicemail messages

left on her voicemail. She has secret service now guarding her. The person deserves a vacation. And so she's taking her holiday. But we think she's back somewhere around August 12th. And I think that's when she's going to call the parties together for this conference that you're talking about to sort through all of these issues. And I'm not sure she actually has to spit out the deadlines 60 days out. She's done things much quicker in the past when it came to the immunity decision. For instance, she had them brief it within two or three weeks and rendered their decision. I think given the political calendar, the political timetable, even though it's not driven by that,

I think she's sensitive that the electorate and Donald Trump, the thing that Donald Trump never likes to acknowledge is that the reason that the public has a seat at the table of the criminal justice system is so that you can clear your name in public. So you don't have a cloud over you if you didn't do the thing

and that gets resolved quicker. Trials that are postponed three and four years about criminal matters just means that people think you're the fill in the blank, the rapist, the fraudster, the espionage violator, the obstruction of justice person for a longer period of time. For him, because he's tried to argue that the entirety of the state and federal criminal justice system, except for his judges, are against him, as is all, you know, then he is the opposite. He doesn't want to clear his name. He thinks he doesn't need to for his bases red MAGA meat red meat eating base Which may be true, but he's not creating any new voters with this strategy, he's only activating and

energizing his base and the base you only each person in the base can only vote once And in order to overcome the electoral advantage of the Democrats, especially now in the hands of Kamala Harris, who can now run the table in the states the way that Barack Obama did and bring together those groups the way that Barack Obama did, even in a way that Joe Biden did it. We love Joe Biden, but Joe Biden got elected at a very anomalous period. He was able to campaign from the basement during COVID. This is 2024. And this is a whole different generation of voter. And so she's the right person at the right moment in time. And he is a relic, a racist relic from the past. And that's what we're watching play out over and over again, whether it's the speech that she just gave in Texas or whatever it was.

So let's, so I think it'll go a little bit faster. I think we'll have, it should go faster. We'll have some sort of, and then the last thing I wanna leave out, and I don't know the answer to this, I'll just put it out there, deposit it for right now, is that Jack Smith also has to make his own decision, whether he's gonna go back through a grand jury

and he is gonna come up with a new indictment of Donald Trump that comports with the July 1st ruling by the Supreme Court on immunity, or he's because that would sort of solve the problem. You remove all of the things in there that they had troubles with and you just re-indite. Now, it would delay things because you gotta go through an indictment process, you know,

take several weeks to probably get that up and running. And then you'd have a new indictment. And then the clock sort of starts over. I'm not sure he wants to do that. If I were him, I would just let Judge Chutkin do her thing, use her surgeon's knife, figure out what falls into each of the buckets, figure out what happens to the two extra counts about obstruction of official proceeding, and try to get the wheels back on this wagon, you know, rolling towards a case made more likely towards an inauguration of hopefully Kamala Harris than anything else. I was going to turn to unless you had something else on that. And I want to get to our last topic, which is about the Supreme Court, new leaks, new information

and the new plan that the Biden Harris, soon to be Harris campaign are going to try to do in the reformation of the United States Supreme Court. Anything else on Chutkin? No, other than let's get it going. So glad to, you know, the excitement around Harris makes it so much more likely that this is going to continue because if she wins, this will continue, which is huge. That's a really, really important indictments

against him relating to January 6th. So again, so glad it's in her hands and I'll be hugely excited if it comes before 60 days. So we'll get a chance to talk about it sooner than later. Yeah. On the fly, we have an amazing, for that, you know, sometimes we just shout out their name and people don't realize that we have an amazing production team that supports all the podcasts, all the content providers, all the hot takes. We you and I and others know them by name. I've met them in person. I've taken them to lunch and dinner. One of them was at my baby naming on Sunday. I mean, we're a family.

And the leader of that pack is is Adam Salton. So we call him salty. And on the fly, like, well, while you and I are talking, he and I are going back and forth with, hey, do we have a clip on this? And we do. So we talked a lot tonight about this, talking about weird, Donald Trump is weird, weird and racist.

And his decision to go into the lion's den and give an interview with black journalists. And in the same moment, just, you know, what was that show on television that book stupid crap my father says and just stuff he says out loud that are just inherently racist including attacking a person's personal identity of how they identify in terms of race or ethnicity or religion or whatever and Kamala is firing back and we have a clip. or religion or whatever and Kamala is firing back and we have a clip. We all here remember what those four years were like and today we were given yet another

reminder. This afternoon, Donald Trump spoke at the annual meeting of the National Association of Black Journalists. It was the same old show. The divisiveness and the disrespect. And let me just say, the American people deserve better. The American people deserve better. The American people deserve a leader who tells the truth, a leader who does not respond with hostility and anger when confronted with the facts. We deserve a leader who understands

that our differences do not divide us. They are an essential source of our strength. So I say to Sigma Gamma Rho Sorority Incorporated, ours is a fight for the future. And it is a fight for freedom. When she was, when she was inaugurated with Joe Biden, I got hair that stood up on my arms in that historic moment and to watch how far she's even come from there and now she has this in cheese she has naturally this infectious way of laughing off and

smiling the way that Barack Obama did that you know that is just so perfect she says so she starts to smile and the audience is she has the audience eating out of the palm of her hands at that moment. And that comes from strength. That comes from confidence that comes from she is not the same person even four years ago that we saw. And and those kind of speeches, the hairs back up, you know, up on my arms, which is a great sign because that usually means good things are around the corner.

What do you think about Kamala addressing her sorority and how she so craftily and so instantly responded to Donald Trump earlier in the day? I think smiling and laughing at him is such a perfect response. Although he is a threat to our democracy, it gives him a stature that he likes. And laughing at him, he hates that, and I think is a perfect way to handle a bully. And she's right about the disrespect. I mean, the party who used to want government,

less government, that used to be the Republican Party. It was all about small government. And now it's like, because really, whose business is it? What race she wants to identify with or what race anybody wants to identify with? Whose business is it if people want to have children or not? Or what gender they identify with? Or what sexual orientation they want to identify with?

It's just disrespectful, like she said in that speech. And it's like none of their business. And I love how she says it, but she says it with a smile, which is the perfect way to handle a bully like Donald Trump. Oh, yeah. I have a colleague that works with me and apropos of nothing, although she knows what I do for a living here on Legal AF, as I walked into the office the other day, she looked at me and she said, I'm a childless cat lady. And I'm not only voting for Kamala Harris, I'm bringing 10 other people with

me. And that is the difference that will make Kamala Harris with our help, the first female president of the United States. It's the difference. Yeah, it's the difference really as much as people liked Hillary and I'm not here to pillory Hillary. Okay, I'm not here about that. But but I and I voted for Hillary, of course, but I had trouble getting 10 other people to go with me to vote for Hillary. That was the problem. I mean, when I was sitting at a table of professional women and men, mainly women, and I was the only person voting for Hillary in New York, that's a bad table.

That's not gonna happen with Kamala. When I voted for Barack Obama and supported Barack Obama, I not only voted, I got 10 other people to vote with me for Barack Obama. And that's what we need to do as a collective here on the audience of the Midas Touch Network, is not just vote. It's to register to vote other people.

It's to get people to vote who have never voted before and to vote in this direction. I just got another text from people who know I lived in Florida for 20 years, and I've always been on the legal team for the Democratic Party every presidential season. When I lived in Florida and a voter in Florida, I could be inside the polls and helping to guide and make sure that votes got properly cast and people that showed up with the proper ID or whatever they needed to register properly got to vote that day. And then when I no longer, like four years ago, I went down to Florida, I could stand outside and coordinate with the insiders about what I was watching and observing there. And I did that at an old polling precinct. I just got the text to do the same thing this coming election. And I'm

going to fly down to Florida again, and I'll be assigned to a poll in a precinct. And these are the kind of things that we need to do. It's a contact sport. It's a participatory democracy. It's a participatory democracy. And so I'm not worried about the Midas touch and the Midas mighty and the legal AFers, but the people in your lives in those concentric circles around you, get them to go do something. I have people that I met when I was covering the Trump trial and you were covering the Trump trial down at court.

And I bumped into some legal AFers who saw me doing a remote and we started talking. They said, we live in, well, were they in Pennsylvania? No, they were in a state that was definitely blue. And they were like, our vote doesn't matter. I said, right, so go fly to a state where registration and voting matters. Go to Pennsylvania, go to Georgia, go to Wisconsin, go to Arizona, go to Nevada, go to Michigan,

go to places where it matters and help on the ground. Work a phone bank. You don't have to be a registered voter in that community to either get somebody to sign to register to vote or to help people to register to vote or to work phone banks. You don't. And so these are things that when people ask, what can we do? That's what we can do, right? Oh, absolutely. I mean, I do the same thing. I'm a legal voter protection. I did that for North Carolina in 2020.

Same help with the law. But I've done so many non-legal volunteering things. I've postcarded, I phone banked, I've canvassed. You don't need to be a lawyer. And in Georgia, when we won that special election in Georgia, California, won that special election in Georgia, California, there were more California volunteers helping that special election than any other volunteers. So to your point, you don't need to live in the state. You don't need to live in the

state. And to me, the people, I always hear people say, I'm so busy, right? That's usually the worry and that you have to take on more than you can do. I'm here to tell you, you can do as little or as much as you want, right? You sign up, they're fantastic at training you. It's really usually quick, easy training, so easy for non-legal stuff, so easy. And it's okay if you can't do that much. If we each contribute like an hour of our time a week, that actually really adds up. And it's so much fun.

I've had phone conversations with people on phone banking. I don't know, I love to talk, right, phone box. But I have a great time, actually. I mean, I've had a few people who like aren't in agreement, but for the most part, on phone banking, they tend to have you call likely voters. And so you talk to like-minded people and you get to help convince them to vote. And so I think it's so satisfying. I love doing it and all of the ways I love doing it.

And so if you've never volunteered before, sign up. They give you so many texts and so many emails. They make it very easy to do and you don't have to make a huge commitment. You just do what you can. You just do a little bit. It's also very, it's also for those that have done it, like you and me, it's also very rewarding. There's so much energy and power for being in a, in a room, like when the training days to be in a room, whatever you're training for your phone banks or, or,

or registration or attorneys that are working polls. It is so rewarding to be around like minded people that you would not normally pass in the supermarket or on the street and maybe not know, you know, because we don't all wear our political affiliations on our, our sleeve, although I have been known to wear my legal AF shirt out, and start a conversation. But but it's so it's just so energizing and rewarding. And you really do feel even though hundreds of millions

of people vote and you really do feel if especially if your candidate wins like you made a difference and I just I can't I can't put into words the feeling that you will get especially if you're on the you know you're on we're on the right side of history and we have a president, Kamala Harris. For those that join late, sometimes we use phrases and I, we're very careful about trying to educate at the same time that we talk. But I used the term earlier that I caught on the chat. Some people didn't know which is DEI, which is diversity, equity, inclusion.

That is, we used to just call it diversity. There used to be offices of diversity at companies or in universities. And that was a way to make sure that their employees, their student body, their fill in the blank were diverse. And then it became diversity, equity, and inclusion to bring everybody in. And then in order to make that a four letter word,

MAGA adopted it every time they could try to tie something back to a brown or black person or a woman, they would say, oh, that's a DEI hire. In other words, affirmative action. They didn't get the job on their merit, they got the job because of that. So that's the code word. When you hear them call Kamala Harris

a DEI hire by Joe Biden, they're saying she's not qualified. Just like they're saying, oh, well, she took her two times to pass the bar exam. Believe me, there are plenty of people that didn't pass the bar exam on the first try. JFK Jr., I think he had, may he rest in peace, he had about, I think, four times to pass the New York bar. It's a very hard bar. California is one of the hardest bars, but she passed the bar. Who cares? I know plenty of people that failed the CPA exam, many parts of it before they became wonderfully talented practicing CPAs. It happens in professional licensing areas. But anyway, that's what DEI means. I don't even go long-winded on that. We're going to talk about the things that you and I are going to do a lot more

of come the first Monday in October, which is the start of the new term for the United States Supreme Court. If you hated the last two terms, you're going to hate the next term of the United States Supreme Court. We're going to try to make sense of it by having regular duets where you and I get together to talk about the cases, maybe about the oral arguments, the briefing, and things that matter. We already know the lineup that's coming there. We got a case or a new development that's happened at the United States Supreme Court with another leak of another opinion about what else? Women's rights, women's reproductive rights and abortion. We're going to talk about that, the reforms that President Harris would implement started by President Joe Biden before he gets out

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going to be doing a sort of a rebroadcast of the Kamala Harris speech that we've been talking about at length today, right after this particular live legal AF. We're gonna go right over there. You'll be transported by our production team over to the Kamala Harris speech and you can make your own judgment. You don't have to just listen to our applauding her. You can make your own judgment and listen to everything that we just talked about.

So again, right after we conclude here, you can head over to Undermied Touch Network. As you can see, we do what we can do. We do commentary, we do hot takes, we do podcasts, we do live streams of things that we think are important at the intersection of law and politics, or just about politics, or just about law, whatever we can get our hands on that we think our audience wants, we try to do. So let me just turn this next over to you

by just framing it this way. Several months ago, well actually it's in June, we had a decision that even though we thought it was a weird collection of voting and concurring opinions and dissenting opinions or whatever it was, we got this decision that seemed to allow, at least temporarily for now, the Biden administration position that EMTALA, the Emergency Medical Labor Act and all, which required that a medical provider provide an abortion in case of health reasons about the mother or life or death about the mother. And that EMTALA, especially for hospitals that took federal aid, Medicare, Medicaid, that kind of thing, or other federal funding,

which they all do, that they would have to, a doctor, even in a state like Idaho, that had a near total ban on abortion, under EMTALA, they would have to give the abortion if the life of the mother was in danger, was at risk. And that was one of the ways that President Joe Biden, he'll go down in history as one of our greatest presidents, I am sure, he was able to with executive law after he ordered, let me just talk about how this happens.

He ordered all federal agencies and heads of his federal agencies to comb through all regulations under their remit and come up with things that he could do without congressional action because of the do nothing Congress that do nothing macro Congress that he's been shackled with for the last two years or more and come up with ways through executive order or interpretations of existing regulations on the books that he could help women and elevate them from second-class citizens that don't have the right over their own bodies and try to put back a measure of

reproductive rights and autonomy over women. One of the ways they came up with was EMTALA. And this, we got a ruling, it was per curiam, there was not really like a majority opinion, there was all these concurrences. We're like, what is going on with this decision? And now we got a leak that's happened yet again. Let me just leave it this way. I've been a lawyer for 33 years. I studied law from 88 to 91 at a pretty good university, pretty good law school.

And I've been following the law and a student of the law ever since. We have never had, we've had books written. This is different. We've had books written like The Brethren and some other books by Jeffrey Toobin about the Supreme Court that like two, three, five, 10 years after a decision talk about some insider things that happened, right? You know, like the clerks would talk to the reporters or the journalists and we get, oh, that's what happened 10 years ago. But in real time, in the same term, a leak? Never.

And we had it during the Dobbs decision, which was actually in draft leaked. And now we have it again about what happened in Idaho. Talk about that, what do we think it means? Who do we think the leaker is? Do we think more leaks are coming? And what does it mean for what Joe Biden's trying to do from now until January 20th at 1159 a.m. and what it means for Kamala Harris moving forward in terms of her presidency and as they address

this third co-equal branch of government? I don't think we can overstate the palace intrigue with these leaks. Like you said, for us lawyers, this is huge. We saw the leak with Dobbs. This leak, evidently, the leaker is saying there's a lot more leaks coming. I think this is a reflection. I mean, there's so much outside the Supreme Court.

We're seeing the right, the violations of the ethics with Justice Alito and Justice Thomas, and we're seeing them overturn precedent with Dobs and with this absolute immunity decision. But now that you can see basically the infighting, I think, of the Supreme Court with these leaks. There's definitely one or more than one people there that are kind of attacking it from the inside because these leaks are not good for the court. This particular leak, interesting, and it's interesting, like you say,

so far it's all been about abortion, which as we know, like that's a big issue for Justice Alito. So this latest leak, they decided after hearing the oral arguments that they were going to decide 6-3 to basically allow Idaho to continue not to give life-saving care to women and not give the abortion. And then Justice, the Chief Justice did an interesting thing, which is not assign a draft.

Was it because he was worried about a dog's leak? Maybe. And then during their private negotiations, they changed their mind. And instead of ruling on the merits, they did this procedural decision that kind of punted the decision. So for now it's like status quo and punting it,

it's probably gonna come down later. And so leaking these private discussions that showed that Kavanaugh, Amy Coney Barrett, and Roberts were the ones who went from kind of upholding the strict Idaho abortion ban to punting it later. I think it's probably their way of trying to put pressure, maybe, on those two justices to get in line. I imagine they're going to be hearing from the Leonard Leos and the Heritage Foundations of the world. But we don't really know. This is where the palace intrigue is.

We don't really know. What we know, though, is Chief Justice Roberts is rapidly losing control of his court. We saw it with the opinions, this latest absolute opinion is something I think Justice Roberts never would have wanted to do. I think he put his name on it in order to try to show some semblance that he has control of the court. And now with these leaks, he's losing practical control of the court.

And the interesting thing is when they did their investigation over the Dobbs leak, everybody was interviewed under penalty of perjury, under oath, except for the nine justices because they like to put themselves above the law like everyone else. No wonder they didn't find the leaker. So it'll be interesting to see what Chief Justice Roberts do. How serious is he about finding the leaker? Will he bring in somebody from the outside? Will he make the justices go under oath?

What is he going to do to prevent future leaks? Because according to this leaker, it's going to keep coming. So between what the Biden-Harris administration is planning on doing in terms of the enforceable ethics code, what AOC just did with her impeachment articles. I did a video on that here for my research. It's astounding that impeachment filing here, seeing everything all in one document. It was so thorough. We're getting a shift here.

Republicans for a long time emphasized the court. We are catching up. I think we're catching up rapidly. And I do think this is going to be a very interesting time for the court between the leakers and the new ethics enforcement and all of the cases they have coming on. Can Chief Justice Roberts get this under control or will he finally realize he needs to do something? That will be interesting to see. Yeah, I think Joe Biden and when Kamala becomes president,

they're gonna have to do the things that they can do without a constitutional amendment. Court packing is one of them. The constitution doesn't require a number of justices. We just kind of settled on nine eventually. And so it can be done in other ways. It's not through presidential act. Of course, the Supreme Court will have something to say about it. They always try to get involved with their own power and authority. But expanding the court

would be nice term limits. I like that idea. And then things like having an independent council that's baked into the constitution that will require a constitutional amendment. Maybe we've reached, I normally would say maybe we need another constitutional convention. Maybe we need to get together as a people with the right people in charge and figure out how to amend certain aspects of the constitution that hasn't been amended for a long, long time. When the Equal Rights Amendment died a slow death. There's an argument that it passed. But there's the fact that an Equal Rights Amendment to make

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this community, right, in this participatory democracy that we got going on here that we call Midas Touch. Dina, you want to keep doing duets? I would love to keep doing it. This is such an exciting time. And I love this community. I love it. I love it when people reach out and comment back to me and on social media. It's the most amazing community.

And I'm so honored that I get to be talking about these really important issues. And I love that we get to be excited. We had that conviction, which was amazing. And then we had some bad news and we got back up and we are better than ever. And these next few months, I'm so excited to keep talking the talk with you Popok.

Yep, and as bad, I appreciate you too, Dina. You and I got to meet a couple of times, both in California and in New York and and form of bond and a friendship There with your great husband, too. And so I want to just remind people we are going to be going directly from here as soon as I sign off here to the Kamala Harris speech at Texas sorority today, which I think is very important It's part of the building blocks of her campaign, the closing argument that she's making and how she immediately, immediately counterpunches

everything that Donald Trump does. I mean, you know, it's like that old children's taunt, right? I'm rubber, you're glue, whatever you say bounces off you and sticks to me, whatever it is, I screwed it up. But you know what I mean. And she's doing it and she's getting the drop on him and it is infuriating him, which is pressurizing him to make more mistakes that unmask him.

You know, forget, I don't know who thought his convention was going to be about unity. That's over. We're back to this ridiculous racist old man trying know get back into the White House to continue his kleptocracy and sweep in all of the felons and family member grifters along with him. We have a way to stop that. We are the firewall that stops that and makes history by voting for Kamala Harris to be the President of the United States. So we got another show on Saturday, but then my Salas and me got hot takes all along the way. Watch for Dina with me, without me,

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