Legal AF by MeidasTouch - INCOMPETENT Judge Cannon Makes PERPLEXING Order

Episode Date: February 13, 2024

MeidasTouch host Ben Meiselas reports on Judge Aileen Cannon’s latest order in the federal criminal case against Donald Trump for withholding national defense information. Head to https://manukora.com/legalaf or use code LEGALAF to automatically get a free pack of honey sticks with your order — a $15 value! Visit https://meidastouch.com for more! Remember to subscribe to ALL the MeidasTouch Network Podcasts: MeidasTouch: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/meidastouch-podcast Legal AF: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/legal-af The PoliticsGirl Podcast: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/the-politicsgirl-podcast The Influence Continuum: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/the-influence-continuum-with-dr-steven-hassan Mea Culpa with Michael Cohen: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/mea-culpa-with-michael-cohen The Weekend Show: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/the-weekend-show Burn the Boats: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/burn-the-boats Majority 54: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/majority-54 Political Beatdown: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/political-beatdown Lights On with Jessica Denson: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/lights-on-with-jessica-denson On Democracy with FP Wellman: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/on-democracy-with-fpwellman Uncovered: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/maga-uncovered Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I've said it before and let me say it again, federal judge Eileen Cannon's corruption is matched if not exceeded by her utter incompetence and every time she lodges one of these new paperless orders in the Mar-a-Lago criminal document case where Trump withheld national defense information, I am just in awe of not just the corrupt intent that Judge Eileen Cannon is clearly showing, but just the utter idiocracy on her dock. And let me show you the recent paperless order that was just lodged. And here's what she wrote. Paperless order, clarifying SEPA Section 4 hearing for February 13, 2024. Just pause there. What are you clarifying CEPA Section 4 hearing for February 13, 2024.

Just pause there. What are you clarifying? CEPA Section 4 is very clear. It doesn't need clarification. CEPA Section 4 says that the government goes ex parte in camera with the federal judge, shows the federal judge documents that they want to withhold that are

classified documents in the interest of national security. The government shows Judge Eileen Cannon or whoever the judge why they think these documents are not relevant and helpful and why there needs to be a substitution. The judge either rules the government's right, or the judge rules the government's wrong, and orders that the government turn over the documents to the criminal defendant. If the government disagrees, they get to appeal. It's like the very simple process here. This isn't rocket science. There's nothing complicated about it. There are encircled court splits. All of the courts agree right here about what Zepa states, what Zepa section 3 is, what Zepa section 4 is. So the very fact that she starts her paperless

orders is paperless order clarifying Zepa section 4 here. This is why is why does it need clarification? It should just be so super simple. Hold one hearing with the government. Let them show you the classified material. Rule whether or not you're going to order the government to turn it over to Donald Trump or not, like in any case, whether the government should turn it over to a criminal defendant or not, and then there could be an appeal. But see, Judge Eileen Tannen doesn't want to make the substantive order because she knows she may get kicked off the case for her corrupt ruling, so she just wants to issue these paperless orders, and that's why there's this need for clarification. Alright, paperless order, clarifying CEPA section 4 hearing for February 13, 2024.

Starting at 10.30 a.m., the court will conduct a sealed hearing with special counsel and cleared counsel for defendants Nauta and Dayolivera. Cleared counsel shall be prepared to discuss the classified information produced in classified discovery in the context of the relevant and helpful standard and the men's ray, a mental state applicable, to counts 33-37 and 39-42 of the superseding indictment. To present argument on the special counsel's request to withhold all of the information from defendants now to and day all of era, pursuant to CEPA section four,

and discuss specifics with respect to the current figures of materials produced in classified discovery, including whether any of that information overlaps with unclassified discovery and or merits clarification. The hearing will be held in a facility suitable for the discussion of classified information. Defendants Nauta and Day Oliveira may not be present. Defendant Trump is not required to appear. Notice there she doesn't say that Defendant Trump may not be present just that he's not required.

In other words, Trump could show up. And then it says, counsel for defendant Trump may attend final SEPA section for ex parte session with the special counsel to follow the 1030 AM session. Nothing in this order should be construed as altering the current ex parte nature of the special counsel's SEPA section for filings Signed by Judge Eileen M. Cannon. I mean just just reading that you know It's a total utter mess and you go Ben. Can you break this all down for us?

I mean I can but it is a complete and utter mess because she already held yesterday on February 12th a SEPA Section for Prehearing as well to determine whether or not Donald Trump's lawyers should get access to the SEPA Section for filings and attend the SEPA section for hearing. These are like pre-hearing to a SEPA section for hearing to determine if Trump's lawyers and the lawyers for Nauta and Deol Avera should attend the SEPA section for hearing, which they're not allowed to attend because SEPA section four says it's ex parte and camera meaning just the government and just the federal judge. Like what in the world is going on here?

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I mean, you go back and you look at this order that Judge Cannon made back on February 5th of 2024 where she set these SIPA pre-hearings. I mean, again, these types of hearings, they're not even like a real thing. Like she just made them up. And here's what she said back on February 5th. So she goes, on February 5th. So she goes on February 5th, she goes on February 12th

and 13th, 2024, the court will conduct sealed exparte hearings pursuant to section four of the Classified Information Procedures Act, CEPA. These proceedings will be held in a facility suitable for discussions of the classified information contained within the party's section 4 submissions anticipated schedule for the hearing is set forth below. So she says Monday, February 12, 2024, from 9.30 a.m. to 2.00 p.m. the court will hear arguments from Defense Council for all of defendants outside the presence of the special counsel, consistent with the protective orders entered on September 13,

2023. Defendants now to and day Olivera may not be present. Defense Council shall be prepared to discuss their defenses, their theories of the case in detail, and how any classified information might be relevant or helpful to the defense. Defense counsel shall also be prepared to discuss defendant's motion for access to SEPA Section 4 filings and defendant's challenges to special counsel SEPA Section 4 motions. What are you challenging with the SEPA Section 4 motions? Why are you asking to attend SEPA Section 4 hearings? You're not allowed to be there. So why is there even argument?

So Judge Cannon says that's going to take place from 9.30 to 2.00 PM on February 12th. And then from 3.00 PM to 5.00 PM, the court's going to hear argument from the special counsel outside the president of Defendants or Defense Council. This special counsel shall be prepared to discuss SEPA section 4 motions and follow-up items from the sealed Ex parte hearing that was held on January 31st because she held a pre-prehearing. She held a pre-prehearing before a pre-hearing and then she held this pre-hearing on Monday, February 12, 2024, where she talks about that the defendants will show up,

meaning Trump's lawyer, Waltein Nauta's lawyer, Carlos De Oliveira's lawyer, and Trump actually showed up. So you had a pre-hearing January 31st, then you had a pre-pre-hearing Monday, February 12th, 2024, and then she just held a pre-pre-pre hearing. She wants to do a hearing now on February 13th with just the lawyers from Walty, Nauta and Carlos de Oliveira. Like why in the world would they have any access to any sepa materials whatsoever? I mean Trump clearly shouldn't at all, zero period full stop. But Trump's body man, the guy who gives Trump

the Diet Cokes, Walti Nauta, why in the world are you having a full day's worth of hearings so that Walti Nauta, the person who moved the boxes around for Donald Trump, who's not supposed to be looking at these documents, why does this have anything to do with, as she says in her recent order, the mens rea, the mental state? Why doesn't it have to do with the underlying documents, whether it's like the whole point of SEPA section four, right?

Is there's nuclear codes, for example, if there is war plans, if there's highly sensitive types of information, the government can say, look, it's not relevant and helpful the actual codes themselves. So we're going to withhold it. But what we can do is we'll substitute it, we'll put some other summary in place of the codes. This way you can get it. But the underlying codes and war plans and the material in the classified documents is not relevant or helpful to the mens rea

to the mental state involved for establishing intent or establishing the elements of a crime. The issue is, were these documents national security information, as that term is defined by the criminal code, and were these documents willfully withheld, intentionally, maliciously, willfully withheld from the government, and when the government asked to turn it back, were their efforts to obstruct justice and to stop it? It's that simple. It's just that simple. So Canon's held a pre-hearing, a pre-pre-hearing.

A pre-pre-pre-hearing is set for Tuesday, February 13th, 2024. And now that's what she's saying that she wants to hold in this minute order, which is taking place right now, to discuss the mens rea of Carlos de Oliveira and and Walte Nauta relative to these documents. And and by the way, Trump showed up at that hearing yesterday. And Trump is permitted to show up to the hearing today. But but here's the thing, too. There's a number of documents and things in addition to protected by the SEPA protective order.

There's a number of documents that could be what's called attorney's eyes only that Donald Trump's not even allowed to potentially know about. So if those types of documents are being discussed during these kind of closed door hearings, I find it to be very, very odd that this is taking place. It's contrary to all of the law. This should be one basic minute order. Government submit your CEPA section four documents will hold the next part day in camera hearing.

You hold the hearing. If you have some follow up questions, then you maybe go hold one other hearing with defense counsel and see if they have arguments why certain subsets may be relevant and useful, relevant and helpful, but you can't tell them what the documents themselves are. You have to explain what their theories of the case are, then judge make a ruling. And then if the government disagrees, they'll appeal. If they're fine with your ruling, the documents get turned over to Trump.

What the heck in the world are you doing, Judge Eileen Cannon here? I mean, it's like an incomprehensible, you know, it's like an incomprehensible minute. It's like a law student who didn't do the reading, who's trying to act smart with using big words or confusing sentences. That's what Judge Eileen Cannon is doing right here. It's worse than that, quite frankly, but I wanted to bring you the up-to-date news on

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