Legal AF by MeidasTouch - Rudy LOSES EVERYTHING after CRUSHING Court Order

Episode Date: October 22, 2024

A federal judge in New York just answered the immortal question “Who is Rudy Giuliani’s daddy?” It is Ruby Freeman and Shay Moss who hold a $150 million judgment against him for punitive damages and defamation. Judge Liman just ordered Rudy to turn over virtually all of his possessions, including his alleged claim against Donald Trump for $2 million and unpaid legal fees, his Manhattan apartment in New York, and all of his sports memorabilia and watches, directly to Freeman and Moss in just seven days time. Get 10% off plus free shipping of your estate plan documents by visiting https://trustandwill.com/LEGALAF Join the LegalAF Patreon: https://Patreon.com/legalAF Remember to subscribe to ALL the MeidasTouch Network Podcasts: MeidasTouch: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/meidastouch-podcast Legal AF: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/legal-af MissTrial: https://meidasnews.com/tag/miss-trial The PoliticsGirl Podcast: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/the-politicsgirl-podcast The Influence Continuum: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/the-influence-continuum-with-dr-steven-hassan Mea Culpa with Michael Cohen: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/mea-culpa-with-michael-cohen The Weekend Show: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/the-weekend-show Burn the Boats: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/burn-the-boats Majority 54: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/majority-54 Political Beatdown: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/political-beatdown Lights On with Jessica Denson: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/lights-on-with-jessica-denson On Democracy with FP Wellman: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/on-democracy-with-fpwellman Uncovered: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/maga-uncovered Coalition of the Sane: https://meidasnews.com/tag/coalition-of-the-sane Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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judgment running with interest against Rudy Giuliani because they were horribly doxed, defamed, and intentional affliction of emotional distress was visited on them because Rudy Giuliani called them fraudsters and all they were doing was counting the votes properly in Fulton County, Georgia back in 2020. I mean, that was the start of the beginning of the end of Rudy Giuliani. That's why he lost in part two of his law licenses, both of his law licenses and this is why he's on the belly of the balls of his butt related to his finances because they're owed $150 million and Rudy's got to come up with a scratch and we've got a new order from a federal judge today, Judge Lyman, that did a few things. First of all, it's telling Rudy Giuliani that everything must go to Ruby Freeman and Sey Moss and he has appointed Judge Lyman in the

Southern District of New York, has appointed Freeman and Moss to be the receiver and a turnover order requiring Rudy Giuliani to turn over an entirety of his assets. I'm going to go over each one individual over to Ruby Freeman and Shae Moss in seven days and that's it. Now Rudy Giuliani didn't want any of this, especially one of the assets he says he owns is a $2 million IOU from Donald Trump for unpaid legal expenses for that 2020 and 2021 series of events that led Rudy Giuliani to get indicted in a few places and lose his law licenses but he wants to get paid. Now that debt owed to Rudy Giuliani is owned by Ruby Freeman and Jay Moss who now can go after Donald

Trump for two million dollars standing in the shoes of Rudy Giuliani. That is cosmic justice. But there's more. The big fight was Rudy Giuliani tried to pull on the heartstrings of the judge and say, oh, I got a gold watch from my grandfather that used to be owned by my father. I thought I was watching an ep, you know, a watching a repeat of Pulp Fiction and the famous scene with Christopher Walken and the gold watch and now the watch is yours. Can't give up my gold watch from my granddad and all and I had a lot of sentimental value when I was the mayor and I got all these things for free and I didn't probably report them on my tax returns like Yankee memorabilia and Joe DiMaggio's jersey and I got a Mercedes that used to belong to Lauren Bacall. Look her up. She used to be with Humphrey Bogart.

And I don't want to turn that over either. And the judge said, I'll read it to you in a minute in his order, he said if that was the measure, the test, you have sentimental feelings about your items, nobody would turn over anything and the debtors would never pay their debts to creditors. No. Nicely, but he said no. There was two things, besides the gold watch from the granddad, there were two things that Rudy Giuliani wanted to desperately hold onto.

One was four Yankee World Series rings that he got as the mayor of New York. Have you heard that he was the mayor of New York? How could you miss it? Rudy Giuliani can't put a sentence together, doesn't have, it's like a noun, a verb, 9-11, and I was the mayor of New York. That's every sentence he ever utters. So, he got these rings that were gifted to him by the Yankees. Again, check his tax returns at the eternal revenue service. Did he report any of those gifts? I'm not sure. But in

any event, he had his son step forward and file something a couple of weeks ago that said, my dad gave me those rings in 2018. I'm not sure any of that's true. And Andrew Giuliani doesn't have a lot of moral authority for me. He's the guy that was infamously played by Chris Farley on Saturday Night Live as a child.

All right, so you've got the fight over the rings, which I'm not sure is covered by the, you've got to turn over all your sports memorabilia, although it may be. I think there's still a fight going on within the court about whether Andrew Giuliani has a legitimate claim of ownership of these rings. If he does, it goes to him.

If he doesn't, and I don't think it does, it would go to Ruby Freeman and Chez Moss. I mean, that's just the way it is. Then you have the two major pieces of property that Rudy Giuliani has, besides his dozen watches, which have value, and sports memorabilia, and I got a gift from the president of Italy

and the prime minister of France after 9-11. I mean, yeah, they got value. Is the condo in Palm Beach. Now, in Palm Beach, if you are a legitimate resident of Palm Beach, of Florida, a real resident, and there's a test for that, you might get what's called homestead protection, which is a fence that's put around your assets, particularly your home, homestead, below a certain value that can't be sold because you live there. And that's why a lot of debtors with big judgments live in Florida. That's my little lesson about Florida creditors' rights practice.

But it's got to be legitimately your home, not the one in New York, right? And don't worry, I'll be giving out the addresses because it's in the public record for Rudy Giuliani for his home in New York and his home in Florida. So there's a fight over it. The judge says, yeah, we're going to have a hearing at the end of October. I'm going to get to the bottom of who really owns that, if it's Homestead or not.

If it's not Homestead, it is going over to Ruby Freeman and Che Moss. Make no mistake about that. In the meantime, Rudy Giuliani is ordered through his lawyers to preserve the asset, don't waste the asset, don't get rid of the asset, don't do anything to the asset. Don't jeopardize or undermine the value of the asset, don't waste the asset, don't get rid of the asset, don't do anything to the asset. Don't jeopardize or undermine the value of that asset

and it may not be yours. As to the New York apartment, which is a co-op, meaning Rudy Giuliani owns shares of a corporation that owns the unit, it's a weird New York thing. It's like a condo, but like with a corporation on top of it. Those shares of stock, boom, gotta be turned over to seven days to Ruby Freeman and Shane Moss,

who are gonna turn around, they could live there. I would love that, by the way, if they lived in New York as a reward for what they've gone through. But they'll probably sell it. And it's worth about, I don't know, I've heard four or five million dollars. The one in Florida, three or four million dollars. I mean, that's like $10 million right there.

And another million for all the rest of his stuff. So it's not nothing. If they could end up with 10, and another million for all the rest of his stuff. So it's not nothing. If they could end up with 10, $12 million for what happened to them, small measure of justice, small measure, but it's something, it's a start, and they can keep collecting against them, including next level after this

is go after garnishing his wages. They can try to go after his pension. Pensions are hard, because pensions have a certain level of protection, like trusts, but there's still grounds for it. Somebody could argue he should forfeit his pension because he committed crimes, but we'll leave that.

If he gets convicted, I think he'll forfeit his pension. But they'll go after whatever money he's making on these podcasts and these books, supposedly. HarperCollins or some major publishing house is publishing a book about the Biden crime family. I'm sure it's not that interesting anymore now that Joe Biden publishing a book about the Biden crime family. I'm sure it's not that interesting anymore now that Joe Biden is riding off into the sunset with Jill. But maybe it is, and they should get all that money until the entirety of their judgment is paid off, which it'll never be paid off.

Rudy Giuliani is 80 years old. I bumped into him once at a cigar bar in New York. He looked terrible four years ago. I can't imagine what he looks like now. A giant head. He barely could walk. I didn't know who he was. I held the door open for him in the bathroom of, I don't want to mention the hotel, where I was smoking a cigar. He's not long for this planet, and this is not helping. Let me read from Judge Lyman's order by Page. On the page one he says, for the following reasons, Defendant Giuliani is ordered under

a section of the New York State Creditor's Rights laws to transfer all personal property specified in a list on the following pages, including cash, jewelry, valuables, the legal claim against Donald Trump for unpaid attorney's fees, and his interest in his Madison Avenue co-op, that's his apartment, to a receivership that he's establishing in seven days. The receivers are, pardon me, Freeman and Moss. I love that. I love that for so many reasons. The justice of that. The judge goes on for a number of pages

talking about the powers he has. He's a federal judge, but he's applying state creditors' rights laws because this case is brought to him in what's called diversity jurisdiction, which is his jurisdiction as a federal judge over matters between parties of two different states, Georgia, New York, and or Florida, and an amount in

addition to $75,000. So the lawyers for Ruby Freeman and Shea Moss smartly ran to federal court and got this order with the judge sitting like he's a state court judge but in federal court, applying state court law and some federal law as well. And this is the opposite of what Rudy Giuliani tried, which is he ran a federal court in New York in bankruptcy court, right? And he tried to get the judge there to give him bankruptcy protection to avoid paying all of this. And the judge finally said no and found it was bad faith filing and charged Rudy Giuliani with $300,000. Now it's coming out of the same pot probably,

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because this is the case in front of Judge Lane I just told you about, that he is owed, quote, about $2 million by either or both of the Trump 2020 presidential campaign and or the Republican National Committee for his work following the 2020 presidential election. Huh, I can't really remember what that was. What was that again?

Oh yeah, I remember now that was the assault against democracy and the, uh, insurrectionist lawsuits that were filed to try to cling to power and stop the peaceful transfer of power and top of our democracy led by team crazy captain by Rudy Giuliani. Now I got it, which led Rudy Giuliani to get indicted in three different places, an unindicted co-conspirator in another, and lose both of his bar licenses. Right. And he's owed money for all of that, apparently. And the judge says, well, you testified under oath that you're owed two million dollars.

According then to defendant sworn testimony, he even submitted an invoice for payment of those receipts, but was never paid. Defendant requested that the court postpone the turnover of the Trump campaign claims for unpaid legal fees, if they're real, until November 6th, the day after the election, expressing concern that it might be media frenzy causing election interference.

And then the judge hits him where it hurts. The profound irony manifest in defendants' alleged concern is not lost on the court. By his own admission, defendant defamed plaintiffs by perpetuating lies about them. Defendants' lies cast unwarranted doubt on the integrity of the ballot counting in Fulton County, Georgia in the immediate wake of the 2020 presidential election. Plaintiffs are entitled, as a matter

of law, to pursue any outstanding interests of the defendants and satisfaction of their judgment, including contingent future intangible interests so long as they are assignable. In other words, Rudy, really? You don't want to turn over the fee claim because you think it's election interference when you went after them for election interference? Sorry. And he goes on on page 9, the Judge Lyman goes on on page 9 and says, the court finds that transfer and receivership is appropriate here as it will allow the plaintiffs to stand in the defendant's shoes with respect to the Trump campaign to pursue the claim. The remedy is particularly appropriate where there is a risk that the assets necessary

will be dissipated and where defendants own incentives to pursue repayment may be limited. We don't trust Rudy Giuliani to go after Rudy Donald Trump for $2 million. Since the judge doesn't trust them, it's better to turn it over to a third party like the creditors which we know will get collected. There is no risk, the court answering as a rejoinder, answering Rudy Giuliani, he says in the bottom of page nine, there is no risk that the public could be misled into believing that defendant himself is prosecuting his claim against the Trump campaign. In any action undertaken by plaintiffs to pursue his claim, they would appear in their capacity as receivers. In other words, this fake claim that Rudy made like, it'll look like I'm suing Trump

when I'm not, no it won't. It'll look like the receivers are suing Trump. Then he went through the other personal property and it says that on page 10, with respect to the other enumerated items, defendant requests that the items be turned over to a receiver, but that the receiver be accompanied by an order that he not sell any items until his appeal of the $148 million is resolved at the DC Court of Appeals. And the judge says, you had the ability to post the bond. In fact, you had to post the bond to stop the enforcement of the judgment. It's called a supersedious bond. You never did. You would have had to put up a lot of the $150 million.

You never did that. So I'm not giving you the equivalent of stopping or staying the enforcement of the judgment now, denied. And then he goes on to the list. He says on page 12 about the grandfather's watch, he said, the only asset that defendant seeks to protect from sale that comes close to being exempt is the watch from his grandfather. He said, it's only exempt if it's under $1,000 in value, and he's leaving it apparently plaintiffs in a moment of their own mercy are going to let him

keep his watch. No pants, no home, but they'll let him keep that F in watch if it's below $1,000 in value. Other than that, every other watch gets turned over. The judge doesn't care if it's collectible, if it's sentimental. He said, you owe $150 million and I'm sorry that you're going to lose some of your things. As to the Palm Beach condo, he said, you've claimed that it is homestead protected. I'm not sure that's true. We're gonna have a hearing at the end of October, October 28th, I'll make the decision. In the meantime, if I find that it's not homestead protected, it's going to Freeman and Moss,

that'll be the bulk of the money they'll use, a 10 or 11 million dollars finally, to pay off some of that judgment. If it's not and I find it's homestead protected, he's gonna make decisions under Florida law here as a federal judge, then you'll get to keep it. But like he's basically telling Rudy, don't get your hopes up. He says, I'll take no position at the present moment and I'll address them, but I'm gonna restrain you, Giuliani, from

doing anything to dissipate the value of that asset in the meantime. He then goes through the list of what is subject to the turnover item. And the only question for me is what falls into the category of sports memorabilia and I'll do a little separate issue on that. But he says the ownership interest in, here's the addresses for those that are interested, 45 East 66th Street, Apartment 10W, that's the New York apartment, that goes over. The Palm Beach County unit, which he says he lives in, although it doesn't look like he does, that is at 315 South Lake Drive, apartment 5D in Palm Beach. That may get turned over. And then he goes through the bank account is getting turned over,

all the Trump claim, the Mercedes-Benz that Lauren Bacall once owned, Reggie Jackson signed photo, Joe DiMaggio signed jersey. It's about about 10 watches of his including a Rolex or all or more watches, probably 15 watches. He likes watches. They're all getting turned over. The only thing that I can't make out from the order to be fair or the footnotes is what about the four Yankee rings? I know that I said that that Andrew Giuliani, that son that got played by Chris Farley in the Saturday Night Live skit years ago, is claiming his ownership of them that I got turned over to him as a gift in 2018. By the way, I bet you if you pull the tax returns for Giuliani IRS, you're not going to see a gift or a value listed because there's a gift limit. If he gifted it, he needed to list it on

his returns. I bet you it's not. I bet you those rings are going to go to Shea Moss and Ruby Freeman. It's weird that the judge doesn't mention the rings per se. He did allow Andrew Giuliani to intervene into the case to claim ownership of it. I think there's a hearing coming up. For now, I don't think the sports memorabilia is over the rings. Those rings are gonna go over by the way. I think between the tax return issue that I just said and the pictures of Rudy Giuliani wearing all four rings after 2018, I think they're gonna get sold.

And they have value. They could be worth 50 to $100,000 a piece because I don't know if you heard, Rudy Giuliani was mayor of New York during 9-11 and got a lot of these things while he was mayor. And I like the nicest thing, the best thing I like about this order by Judge Lyman, who's super smart and comes from a super smart family. His father is the late Arthur Lyman, a very famous, very well-considered lawyer's lawyer, gentleman's gentleman, white-collar criminal defense lawyer. That's the

stock he comes out of. And so we like Judge Lyman a lot and think he's really smart in these areas. And the part I like about it is to save money, to save money. Every dollar he knows is gonna go to Ruby Freeman and Jay Moss. He did not appoint a separate receiver that needed to be paid,

because professionals get paid out of the estate before it goes over to the creditor. So if you hire a $100,000, $50,000 a month person, they're going to get paid first. So no, we'll make the creditor the receiver. Smart. And when Rudy Giuliani said, we should have a magistrate judge that is going to be able to resolve certain these issues, he goes, no, I'm going to resolve the issues. We don't need another judge delaying things further. And we got hearings coming up at the end of the month, denied. That's the order. And that is the Legal AF Around and Find Out edition of this hot take. I'm Michael Popak. I sit at the intersection

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