Legal AF by MeidasTouch - Scared Trump Makes Major Filing in Carroll Judgment

Episode Date: April 15, 2025

Trump is trying to use taxpayer dollars and the power of the “United States of America” to get him out from under an almost $100 million dollar civil jury judgment in favor of E. Jean Carroll for sex abuse and defamation and have the US intervene in the case to nullify the jury’s verdict in a new filing. Michael Popok updates the audience on the $500 million dollar civil fraud judgment against Trump in NY, and the efforts to victimize E Jean Carroll all over again and save himself $100 million. Upgrade your sleep with Miracle Made! Go to https://TryMiracle.com/LEGALAF and use the code LEGALAF to claim your FREE 3 PIECE TOWEL SET and SAVE over 40% OFF. Remember to subscribe to ALL the MeidasTouch Network Podcasts: MeidasTouch: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/meidastouch-podcast Legal AF: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/legal-af MissTrial: https://meidasnews.com/tag/miss-trial The PoliticsGirl Podcast: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/the-politicsgirl-podcast The Influence Continuum: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/the-influence-continuum-with-dr-steven-hassan Mea Culpa with Michael Cohen: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/mea-culpa-with-michael-cohen The Weekend Show: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/the-weekend-show Burn the Boats: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/burn-the-boats Majority 54: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/majority-54 Political Beatdown: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/political-beatdown On Democracy with FP Wellman: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/on-democracy-with-fpwellman Uncovered: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/maga-uncovered Coalition of the Sane: https://meidasnews.com/tag/coalition-of-the-sane Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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and the United States of America and its sovereign immunity to try to argue he doesn't have to pay an almost 100 million dollar judgment for sex abuse and defamation awarded to E. Jean Carroll over a year ago in New York by two separate juries of 18-0 who ruled against Donald Trump on both sex abuse and on defamation. This one has to do with the statements He made while he was president of the United States where he stepped out of his role of being president to go after E. Jean Carroll and say look what she looks like. I would never sexually abuse her. I don't even know the person She's not my type defamation defamation defamation

Now let's continue there and I want to also update you on this hot take on what's going on with this sort of parallel world of that $500 million judgment against Donald J. Trump, DJT, for persistent fraud in the operation of the Trump Organization. Because a judge there, Judge Angoran, over a year ago found that the New York attorney general, Letitia James, was right in all of her proof that the Trump organization was fraudulent, period. So there's a $500 million judgment running with $120,000 of interest per day.

What's going on with that particular case, Popak? And what about Donald Trump trying to use our taxpayer dollars and the United States of America's good credit to try to get out from under his hundred million dollar sex abuse and defamation judgment? I tie it all together here on the Midas Touch Network. Let's go. Let's start with E. Jean Carroll. You may recall there were two E. Jean Carroll cases. One about her being sexually abused and then defamation comments made by Donald Trump after he was president.

And then another case about the sexual abuse and defamation comments while he was president. They were delayed. They were separated because Donald Trump took an appeal about whether as president or, you know, he had the ability to be sued or not. They had all this whole issue. It went before several appellate courts and got returned back to Judge Kaplan in New York. And they said, yeah, try the case. There's no immunity issues related to this defamation that you're talking about.

And of course, the Biden administration's Department of Justice had an opportunity to say, oh, we're going to come into the case, replace Donald Trump as the party, and then move for its dismissal under concepts of sovereign immunity, which is allowed under a little known statute called the West Fall Act, named after a then Senator, which gives immunity to federal officers all the way up to the President of the United States from being sued and civil liability for things they do while on the job, or at least within the scope of their duties.

Now, we know the US Supreme Court stretches out as far as it can the presidential powers when they did their immunity decision, but we're talking here about civil liability. So there was litigation over that. The two cases sort of got uncoupled and tried separately. The first case about what he did later in time, if you will, in the defamation after he was president went first. In that case, nine-zero, a jury ruled. Alina Haba was the lawyer, along with some other people. Donald Trump didn't testify, and the jury awarded her $5.5 million. Donald Trump has effectively paid that already. He took an appeal on that particular case and lost.

There were no reversible error decisions made by Judge Kaplan and the US Supreme Court doesn't care about it. Second case got tried. Nine-zero again against Donald Trump. This time he did testify and the jury hated him. Eighty-three million dollar judgment and that's been running with interest ever since. Donald Trump took an appeal to the second circuit court of appeals, federal, and they, and Alina Haba tried to argue all sorts of things about,

well, he was president at one time and you can't, you know, prosecute, you know, there can't be a civil liability for the president and all. And they said, well, those are interesting arguments, but you were late in bringing them. In fact, you were too late in bringing them. You know, now she's the acting US attorney for New Jersey. But at the time, she was she's a terrible federal practitioner, let's be honest, and has lost everything she's ever touched in federal court. And so she lost her appellate argument and the Second Circuit said, yeah, we

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He posts a bond, he had to go out and go get a surety company, he was a buddy of his out in Texas, to post this bond based on his bank account or whatever he's got sitting in his Capital One account, apparently, and they posted the bond. Now, during that period, the Biden administration had the ability, as I said, to use the Westfall Act to protect Donald Trump, but they refused. They took a look at the case, Merrick Garland took

a look at the case and said in 2023, yeah, we're not intervening in the case. This isn't presidential conduct. We're not going to assert that the United States Supreme Court should be substituted in as a party as the first step of getting the case dismissed and getting the judgment dismissed. Fast forward, Donald Trump just had his Department of Justice, of course. The Civil Rights and Tort's Division under Pam Bondi file a new certification, a new declaration that says, I declare that I've reviewed the facts.

This is the new filing. I've reviewed the facts. And yes, this is all presidential conduct from what I understand. Based on what? Two separate appellate courts says it isn't. Why? Because you work for Pam Bondi and now this declaration, West Falls certification, is suddenly going to flip the course of the Department of Justice's position? And we're a little late, don't you think? The Second Circuit doesn't seem to be the right place to make this motion, as the lawyers for E. Jean Carroll, Robbie Kaplan, just told the Second Circuit, this should go back to Judge Kaplan and let him make the decision about whether this Westfall declaration means that somehow

the judgment should be thrown out or the US should be substituted in now that the judgment has already been rendered. I don't see that happening. I think we've got waiver. I think we've got a lot of things in the interest of justice that you're not, just because the guy had the unique, we had the unique misfortune

of Donald Trump becoming president again, he gets to then use that presidency to clean up all of his mess and all of his judgments civilly. But they're trying. Here's where I think it's gonna happen. I think the Second Circuit's gonna reject the certification, reject the attempt to substitute in at the judgment time

the United States of America for Donald Trump in the sex abuse and defamation case, send it back to Kaplan who's going to reject it. And if Donald Trump doesn't like it, he'll take it up where else to the United States Supreme Court where he may have three or four votes, but I'm not sure he can count to five and get five votes to let him out of a civil judgment lawsuit for sex abuse and defamation with the record that's already been established. But we'll follow it right here as we only do speak and truth to each other first here on the Midas Touch Network. Let's talk about Legal AF for a minute. Legal AF, the podcast, been around for about five years.

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