Legal AF by MeidasTouch - SECRET Trump Grand Jury Reveals NEW Indictment Hints

Episode Date: June 7, 2023

Michael Popok of Legal AF reports on 2 shocking Mar a Lago criminal developments. 1) there has been 2 Mar a Lago indicting grand juries in place all along, 1 in DC for Trump’s own espionage and obstruction, and 1 in Florida to indict Florida targets who also obstructed, AND 2) the DOJ had 2 meetings with Trump’s mar a Lago lawyers as they try desperately to fend off indictment. Connect with your partner every day using Paired. Download the app at https://www.paired.com/legalaf SUPPORT THE SHOW: Shop LEGAL AF Merch at: https://store.meidastouch.com Join us on Patreon: https://patreon.com/meidastouch Remember to subscribe to ALL the Meidas Media Podcasts: MeidasTouch: https://pod.link/1510240831 Legal AF: https://pod.link/1580828595 The PoliticsGirl Podcast: https://pod.link/1595408601 The Influence Continuum: https://pod.link/1603773245 Kremlin File: https://pod.link/1575837599 Mea Culpa with Michael Cohen: https://pod.link/1530639447 The Weekend Show: https://pod.link/1612691018 The Tony Michaels Podcast: https://pod.link/1561049560 American Psyop: https://pod.link/1652143101 Burn the Boats: https://pod.link/1485464343 Majority 54: https://pod.link/1309354521 Political Beatdown: https://pod.link/1669634407 Lights On with Jessica Denson: https://pod.link/1676844320 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This is Michael Popok, legal AF. We got startling news in the Donald Trump Mar-a-Lago indictment that's expected this week or early next week. We've got Mar-a-Lago and Donald Trump two ways on this hot take one. There were not one but two meetings between Donald Trump's lawyers and the Department of Justice just yesterday to try to fend off and cut off at the pass, the indictment of Donald Trump at Mar-a-Lago. Not one meeting, but two.

One with Jack Smith, the other with not Mar-a-Garland, not his number two, Lee Samonico, but with a lawyer number three right under Lee Samonico. And I'm going to talk to you about why there were two meetings and what it means for the likely indictment. But I told you at the top of the sottik, I'm going to do this two ways. There's two grand juries. Yes, it's like saying there are two planet earths or two indias or two uh, suns in the sky. There are two Marlago grand juries. Now some people might be thinking, why? Why are there two? And can Donald Trump get indicted by both? Well, let me have a little breakout legal AF law school here, a little tutorial

on jurisdiction of grand juries when crime is local. Unless the witnesses agree to have their case indicted and tried in a jurisdiction where they don't live or don't live at present or where the jurisdiction doesn't have some sort of jurisdictional hook to drag. We sometimes call it long arm jurisdiction, but that's not entirely accurate here. If a crime was committed, for instance, in District of Columbia, in Maryland, Virginia, then it stays with the DC circuit court. If crimes were committed somewhere else, in this case, Mar-a-Lago, in Florida, some might

be wondering, why was there even a DC grand jury that was considering this all this evidence? Because most of the witnesses were near the District of Columbia. They never were going to call Donald Trump in any way. And the crimes that they were going to, they were going to alleged, they were able to alleged in front of that particular grand jury in the district of Columbia that's been in paneled for like the last six months. When an indictment comes out of Donald Trump, it's going to come out of the DC Mar-a-Lago secret grand jury. But there's a second grand jury. It's like, I said, two earths, like one is parallel, a doppelganger right behind the other.

In Florida, why? Because there are certain obstruction, mainly obstruction charges brought against Florida residents of people that reside in Florida, like maintenance workers, Walt Nauta, the personal assistant or Butler or valet, body man, whatever they call them these days. That was doing, these are the henchmen that were doing Donald Trump's bidding and have obstructed the Department of Justice's ability to have these documents returned even to this day or to rely on whatever Donald Trump and his revolving door of lawyers, some of which have not only departed,

but have their own criminal defense lawyers themselves because they have potentially committed crimes for those people resident in Florida, Walt Nauta, and a UTA comes to mind. He's the one that shuffled the boxes on video surveillance camera back and forth from the storage room before and after Evan Corcoran, the lawyer for Donald Trump now departed, who's also got his own criminal problems, went in to do his due diligence, his diligent search before turning over one little envelope of documents. It's about this size for those that watch this on YouTube. It is about this 34 documents and say, here you go. Here you go. These are all documents that Donald Trump has

that's national defense information, NDI or top secret or classified. That's it. That's all there are when there were thousands more next door in the office for Donald Trump and over 100 in envelopes and folders more classified and top secret. So, those Florida-based people need a Florida-based grand jury to hear their evidence and to return an indictment. So there is in the Southern District of Florida, which covers the counties of Palm Beach County where Mar-a-Lago is all the way down beyond Miami to Key West. That, that federal district has a grand jury that sits and meets regularly and has a local probably a combination of a local US attorney, assistant, US attorney in the Southern district

of Florida. They have an office in West Palm Beach. They have an office in Fort Lauderdale. They have an office in Miami. One of those people assigned to the case by main justice. That's what we call the Department of Justice, main justice, and a lawyer, a prosecutor for main justice from Jack Smith's team, working together in front of a grand jury to return an indictment. Now, I have said on prior hot takes and on legal AF, the podcast that I co-anchored, as recently as just the last podcast, that Walt Nauta is not playing nicely

in the sandbox of the federal government, that the federal government wants him to flip on Donald Trump and cooperate fully about the box movement, and other things that have just recently come out on this network, like the pool maintenance man that just happened to

drain the pool into the computer's server room with the surveillance logs for all the cameras out in front of the doors that contain the locked doors or closed doors that contained all the information that the DOJ has been looking for to have returned. Right, because you always dump your pool water, you know, you drain your pool into the computer server room. I mean, for a guy that spent most of his campaign berating Hillary Clinton about her email server in her basement in Chapacol, that she was keeping for a parallel set of emails, you know, that she used publicly, when she was secretary of state, I'll tell

you what she didn't do. When the investigation started and the Mueller investigation started, she didn't in the middle of the night take the server and drop it into the pool in the backyard. She didn't do that. So it's just the hypocrisy that continues with Donald Trump. Somebody gave the order to drain that pool. Now it was either accidental, which nobody believes, or it was intentional.

And if it was intentional, we have destruction of evidence, which is called spoliation, which can be a crime in this context, because this was subject to a criminal search warrant in subpoena and criminal orders of federal judges. So we gotta get to the bottom of that. And that's evidence that gets developed in the locale in the location where it is, which is Palm Beach County Southern District, Florida, not the grand jury up in Washington,

DC. So we have, this is a double Tuesday, you know, like Taco Tuesday. We have two grand juries looking at Mar-a-Lago issues. One that's going to indict people like Walt Nauta who are not cooperating with the government, who they don't think have been truthful and honest in his dealing so far, even though he has a lawyer, and they're going to indict Walt Nauta. And then they're going to tell him, you want to be honest now? You want to cooperate now? Well, then we'll go a little bit easier on you in sentencing, but we'll do it from the vantage point of you being indicted.

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I've negotiated against the federal government and various entities of the federal government. You are going to lose. And the sooner you realize that and try to cut a deal to better, that's my free advice to Walt Nauda and his lawyer. Time is not on your side. And then the pool guy, you better get a criminal defense lawyer because you're gonna need one too. Now, there is a maintenance worker

who's already been identified by the New York Times who is cooperating fully and completely. He's not gonna be indicted. He'll be a witness in the Florida Grand Jury, the federal Florida Grand Jury that's now we now learned about, just like today, just like yesterday. These are the types of witnesses, if they're not targets that are going to be brought in front of the grand jury in Florida

to ask them to return an indictment. They're not just their developing evidence. They're not just doing it for, let's have a show grand jury. Let's bring people in and testify and show us some grand jury, some documents. It is too in date. These are indating entities. They're there. That's what they're there for.

That is their reason for living. This is their reason, that's right. This is why a grand jury exists. The other grand jury is doing its job. It's wrapped on up seven months of presentations by about seven different lawyers for Donald Trump, who all got stripped of Donald Trump's attorney client privilege, who had a testify from Evan Corcoran down to Alina Habba and Christina Bob and everybody else involved with Mar-a-Lago and who touched any documents or saw any documents while they were there or should have.

That's that grand jury. Now let's talk about the double meeting. There's a lot of repressed that came out yesterday about the meeting, the meeting, and people repeated it, the meeting, as if there was just one. The meeting that people talked about was between the lawyers, Jim trusty leading the charge, a guy named John Raleigh and Lindsey Halligan, a local lawyer in Southern Florida, South Florida where I practice it, nobody's ever heard of. That worked in some insurance defense firm

had no background in high stakes, political cases like this one. But, you know, you can sort of go look her up on Google and you can figure out why Donald Trump editor to the team. So you got Lindsay Halligan, Jim trusty and John Rally, who go suitcase in hand with very dour faces to go for a 90 minute meeting with Jack Smith. That's why there's a video out.

It's even up on my Twitter feed of Jack Smith. It's like a big foot or Sasquatch sighting. We're so tired of seeing him in that purple robe from the hagg when he was a war crimes prosecutor. Let's see what he currently looks like. You know what? He looks pretty good. It looks pretty good in that suit and tie. Walking next to his colleagues. He looks serious. He's got the beard. We all like taller than he looks in those half pictures of him wearing the purple robe. And he had the meeting. Some people suggested that was a staged walk.

You know, so everybody could see there is a Jack Smith. He does exist. He's not a myth. You know, he's not Kaiser Sozi. All right, although I like him to be, but he's not. He really exists. I put on my Twitter feed a picture of Bigfoot and put it right next to Jack Smith

and I asked you to identify which was which. Jack Smith's a Big foot in his own way, because he's got a big foot as way right through this case over Donald Trump, who's not at that size. Let's just leave it at that. So you have Jack Smith meeting in which Hal again, trustee and Rowley tried to convince the government not to indict their client

like a last ditched effort, not going to work too late. You normally would do this by way of a presentation. Like you'd send in what we call in the business a white paper, you try to make your arguments in a legal brief, and there you go. But that's not going to work here. I mean, they spend so much time beating up the prosecutors and calling them much time beating up the prosecutors and calling them thugs and criminals and and out of control that they're not they don't have any credibility. They have no credibility at all with Jack Smith. Even though trustee and Smith used to be friends, the Department of Justice, but the second meeting is really important because if you remember, trustee sent a one line letter two weeks ago to Merrick Garland, who's technically Jack Smith sort of boss, and said, oh, there's a abuse of power going

on in this unprecedented investigation. PS, you know what's unprecedented? The amount of criminality of their client. We never had a president that tried to overthrow, violently overthrow the government, right? Founding fathers didn't anticipate that. But they asked for a meeting and we want a meeting. And what about Hunter Biden? And we want, I'm not making this up.

Hunter Biden's laptop, it's just like, you know, like, you know, a refrigerator magnet poetry except with Hunter Biden's name. Used to be the email server for Hillary Clinton. Now it's Hunter Biden's name. Used to be the email server for Hillary Clinton. Now it's Hunter Biden's laptop. They love technology plus some boogie man Democrat. That seems to be the way they handle these things. So they asked for a meeting.

They didn't have to give them a meeting. Mayor Garland could say, you know what, you're talking to the wrong guy. Jack Smith's the prosecutor, but they gave him a meeting. Why? Because Mayor Garland doesn't want to be accused by the right, even though he's going to be of not being fair with Donald Trump.

But Mary-Carlin didn't go to the meeting. And Lisa Monaco, as number two, didn't go to the meeting. About a fourth or fifth down from the very top of the Mass-Ted Department of Justice met and gave a little lip service to Halligan, Trustee, and Rowley and said, what's your complaint? And they said, oh, you're being unfair and Rally, and said, what's your complaint? And they said, oh, you're being unfair. I mean, this is my artist rendering. You're being unfair to Donald Trump.

He shouldn't be prosecuted. This was guard variety over packing of boxes. He didn't commit espionage. He's not, you know, he didn't try to horse trade documents with the National Archive of Foreign Powers against the United States, PS, it looks like he did. And you should drop the prosecution. Or when it comes your way with a prosecution memo from Jack Smith, you should reject it. PS, newsflash, that prosecution memo already went. It's almost, it's almost a near certainty that Jack Smith already sent the prosecution

memo to Merrick Garland, who already signed off on the indictment. And that's the reason the grand jury's meeting this week, both in Florida, through Wednesday, and in the District of Columbia. It's to return indictments. This is how because eventually you have developed your case sufficiently that even Jack Smith says, this is airtight. Let's go for the indictment. That's the green light. That's what you're looking for. That's the scramble, the Jets moment, that the prosecutor, like Jack exercising his discretion,

gives the go, gives the go signal. And that's where they are now. So what did you learn on the hot take? Hopefully about two things. Double grand juries about the same issue. One focused on Florida, people who did bad things, the other one focused on DC people or people that are that the DC grand jury has jurisdiction over. And there were not one but two meetings in Washington. Same group of lawyers for Donald Trump, one set from the main justice, what we call main justice department of justice and one including Jack Smith. They were separate meetings, not the same meeting.

And that's it. That's about the level of meeting that's going to happen here, because there's no way on God's green earth on Trump's going to take a plea deal, because the only plea deal that would be offered would be a felony. And this guy is not going to plead guilty to a felony while he's running for president. He'll try to stretch this thing out. You know, the old saying, when things move, when things are going poorly or badly for you,

make them move slower. And that's what Donald Trump's doing. So this is all window dressing so he can go, you know, social truth about it or raise money over it and do campaign rallies and stay a viable candidate. It's hard to believe this guy remains the leading candidate for the Republican Party. News flash Republican Party, you can't do better than this guy. I mean, I'll just leave it at that. This is the best that your party has to offer America. Okay. So we've reached

the end of this hot take. I do hot takes like this one on the Midas Touch Network only on the Midas Touch Network about every day. Sometimes it seems like every hour, depending upon developments, I sit as a practicing lawyer and trial lawyer at the intersection of US politics and law, and I do these kind of hot techs. You like what I'm doing? Give me a thumbs up.

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