Legal AF by MeidasTouch - Supreme Court CAUGHT USING FOX to help FAILING Trump

Episode Date: August 5, 2024

Alt-right Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch just went on Fox News to THREATEN President Joe Biden and VP Harris and their efforts to return ethics and accountability to the Supreme Court. Michael Popok puts the outrageous appearance in perspective and analyzes the fall of Gorsuch. Use code LEGALAF to get 10 percent off your next order at https://bookshop.org/?utm_source=meidas-touch&utm_medium=youtube&utm_campaign=meidas-touch-legalaf&utm_content=brand Visit https://meidastouch.com for more! Join the Legal AF Patreon: https://Patreon.com/LegalAF Remember to subscribe to ALL the MeidasTouch Network Podcasts: MeidasTouch: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/meidastouch-podcast Legal AF: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/legal-af MissTrial: https://meidasnews.com/tag/miss-trial The PoliticsGirl Podcast: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/the-politicsgirl-podcast The Influence Continuum: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/the-influence-continuum-with-dr-steven-hassan Mea Culpa with Michael Cohen: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/mea-culpa-with-michael-cohen The Weekend Show: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/the-weekend-show Burn the Boats: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/burn-the-boats Majority 54: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/majority-54 Political Beatdown: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/political-beatdown Lights On with Jessica Denson: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/lights-on-with-jessica-denson On Democracy with FP Wellman: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/on-democracy-with-fpwellman Uncovered: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/maga-uncovered Coalition of the Sane: https://meidasnews.com/tag/coalition-of-the-sane Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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a political issue during a presidential election year. I don't think that would be helpful. I have one thought to add. It is that the independent judiciary means, what does it mean to you as an American? It means that when you're unpopular, you can get a fair. Under the law and under the Constitution if you're in the majority you don't need judges and jurors to hear you and protect your rights. You're popular.

It's there for the moments when when the spotlights on you. When the government's coming after you. And don't you want a ferociously independent judge and a jury of your peers to make those decisions? Isn't that your right as an American? And so I just say, be careful. This is Michael Popak, Legal AF. A United States Supreme Court justice just went on Fox News and threatened the president of the United States. There's no other way for me to frame this. Neil Gorsuch doesn't like the reforms to the United States. There's no other way for me to frame this. Neil Gorsuch doesn't like the reforms to the United States Supreme Court

that are being proposed by Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris. They wanna put term limits on the length of time that the Supreme Court justice can be there. They wanna add new Supreme Court justice to expand the court from nine. They wanna add an ethics code. And to Neil Gorsuch, his response, watch out, look out.

Really, watch out, look out? First of all, what are you doing on Fox News? I mean, you have to know that Fox News is a trigger, is a signal that you're on the alt-far right. Why don't you go on CNN? Why don't you go on C-SPAN? How about C-SPAN? You never hear anybody argue about C-SPAN.

But if I'm driving by a United States Supreme Court Justice's house, like Sam Alito, and I see upside down US flags and other flags of the insurrection on not one but two of his houses, how do you think that makes me feel as an advocate before the United States Supreme Court? You think I'm getting a fair shot? Do you think I think justice is blind? Do you think

that sends the right signal to the American people about what you just called the ferocity of independent judiciary? And the same thing when you go on Fox News. Now I get that during your off time, the Supreme Court just as like to take vacations on the right, usually paid for by Federalist Society supporters for millions of dollars. You like to write books, you like to give speeches, you like to give lectures, you like to teach courses in international law around the world. I get it, I get it.

You're not paid enough apparently on the United States Supreme Court. You gotta bide your time. But to go on Fox News is to put a finger in the eye of America and put your foot on its throat. And what you're declaring is you're not ferociously independent Neil Gorsuch, okay? You're, I don't know, you should watch that clip again.

First you say, and just listen to what he says. He says, I really, he's talking to Sharon Bream there for Fox News. I really don't want to, in the middle, I'm sure you won't be surprised, in the middle of a campaign, I'm not going to be pulled into a political issue. But as long as you've asked, let me threaten the United States president and talk about, and reframe the issue as sort of a straw man that has nothing to do with the arguments that are being presented in favor of reforming and out of control United States Supreme Court. In July, the United States Supreme Court completely rebalanced in the wrong

way our three supposedly co-equal branches of government and destroyed any checks and balances that exist by making the presidency above the law in the immunity decision. They said in one sentence in the Trump versus US decision in July the 1st on immunity, no man is above the law, no president, yes they are. They are by the very virtue of that decision. You now have a Leviathan out of control, super imperial presidency on top.

You then have two smaller things underneath, one called legislative branch and one called the judicial branch. That's what you got left. Barely tethered together because of their decision. And now on top of it, he says, listen, listen to these words that you just heard from a United States Supreme Court sitting justice. One, he says, the majority that's popular doesn't need judges and juries. What, what world, what upside down world is he living in? Popularity ensures justice.

We'll just put it to a vote? I mean, why don't we do that? Why don't we just have a game show every week where all of the important issues about reproductive rights and voting rights and immigration issues and national security and energy policy, why don't we just put it up for a vote like Family Feud Survey says, that's what he's trying to say.

He says, the ferocious independent judiciary is necessary for the unpopular. Donald Trump's unpopular, that's been our problem. I mean, it just makes no sense. And looking how Gorsuch's mind works is a scary proposition and the judgment or lack of judgment he made by going on Fox News. How does he think the American people feel as he's thumbing his nose at them and poking them in the

eye by going on Fox News? What about C-SPAN? No one's ever had a problem with C-SPAN. Go on C-SPAN. Go on cable access at two o'clock in the morning. Nobody would have an objection. But to go on the MAGA red triggering network, Fox News owned by Rupert Murdoch? That's your outlet? See, I'm funny that way. I like United States Supreme Court justices

who seem to be independent, who at least try to act like justice is blind and that the scales of justice are in equipoise and are perfectly balanced. I don't like to drive by, think about the American people driving by Sam Alito's house and seeing an upside down American flag, the sign of insurrection on Jan 6th and another insurrectionist flag sitting over on Appeal to Heaven, sitting on another summer home of his. Now I got to be an advocate as a lawyer advocating in front of the United States Supreme Court for oral argument in October.

Do I think justice is blind? Do I think I've got Alito's ear and that he's being neutral and independent until he forms his opinion or is he biased and on the far right? What about Neil Gorsuch? If I'm looking at, you know, it's always Alito writing for the Wall Street Journal, another Rupert Murdoch outlet, talking about in 2023, Alito said, I don't think Congress even has the ability to regulate anything related to the Supreme Court. And Gorsuch saying the same thing today. I mean, think of the book, listen to the title of the book that Neil Gorsuch is shilling and selling on Fox News.

It's called Overruled, not overruled, overrule. Too many laws in America. Just what I want from a United States Supreme Court justice, him believing that there's too many laws on the books. Oh, it's so complicated and confusing. I can't figure it out. Except he, what he's really doing, what he really means is over-precedent. There's too much precedent. There's too much bad law from the past made by not right-alt-right wing courts, and I want to change it.

That's what he means. It's not that there's too much law. It's that there's too much law he doesn't like and he wants to ignore it, overturn it, vacate it, and recreate it in his image. I've talked about in the past what the rise or actually the fall of Neil Gorsuch who we had some hope for even though he was a Mago right. We had some hope for when he was appointed, that maybe be his own person and move towards the center. We're watching a little bit of a move to center right by Amy Coney Barrett, for instance, and to a certain degree, Brett Kavanaugh. We'll leave for another hot take their politics and values and morals or lack

thereof. But they've moved to a little bit closer to Roberts and further away from Gorsuch, Alito, and Thomas. Gorsuch, far alt-right. He's now voting reliably in the alt-right with Thomas and Alito. If you see a anti-democratic attack on our democracy or our Constitution or our way of life in a Supreme Court decision, you will see it joined by Gorsuch, Alito, and Thomas. That unholy triangle. Legal AF is brought to you by bookshop.org. You may be watching or listening to our show right now, but are you reading enough? It's time to dive back into books

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Look out, watch out, Joe Biden. Watch out for what? What are you going to do? What are you going to do against, what I've said on Legal AF this past weekend is watch out for Joe Biden. He's not lame duck. He's unshackled. Right? Somebody in our production team said it's two week notice Joe Biden. He gave his six months notice and now he's going to accomplish everything he ever wanted to accomplish that he couldn't before. I mean, in 2021, there was a blue ribbon panel that was appointed by Joe Biden to make recommendations about the reformation of the Supreme Court. And at the time, while he had, you know, running for reelection and lots of other policies to consider, he decided, no, I'm not really ready to take on that fight.

He is now. And you know who's right behind him or right next to him? His partner, Vice President Kamala Harris, who we hope to be Madam President-elect Kamala Harris in a few months. And that's what Gorsuch is going to take on. It's always, we're not gonna go as, we're not gonna go into the political realm and go to the joint houses of Congress

and watch the president give a State of the Union address. Oh, we couldn't do that. Well, why not? All the center and center left justices go, but Gorsuch can't go, Thomas and Alito can't go. It's beneath them, it's Sully's, their appearance of independence. I got news for them.

There is no appearance of independence by the got news for them. There is no appearance of independence by the United States Supreme Court. It's a charade. They're bought and paid for by MAGA and the Federalist Society. And they're all you got to do is look at the rulings. The proof of the pudding is in the tasting. Read the rulings. Why is it that I have to give hot take after hot take about the attack on women and reproductive rights, making them second class citizens. Why do I have to talk about another super precedent going back 40 or 50 years being ripped out of the books and out of the constitution by the right wing?

Why do I have to talk about a Leviathan out of control presidency that's now above the law? Why do I have to talk about the dismantling of the barrier between church and state established by our framers? Because of the alt-right, because of Neil Gorsuch. And now you see him not tongue in cheek, but with a Cheshire cat grin going on Fox News to talk about there's too much law in America. Yeah, because you're, and you're busy getting rid of most of it that's called precedent. in America, yeah, because you're, and you're busy getting rid of most of it that's called precedent.

We got to call this stuff out. It is, it is outrageous. Sometimes I look in the, I often look at the comments for, I'll take like this, and some people slip into the comments that are on, let's just say the alt-right, and the things that they say and write out loud, which what they think is impunity, because they believe they've got supporters in their camp on the Jan 6 insurrectionist camp like Neil Gorsuch. I mean, I heard him ask some crazy questions during the oral argument on the immunity decision, basically suggesting that a president could pardon himself. That's Neil Gorsuch, not just in a hypothetical, it was the way he asked it, it was chilling. That you could sell a pardon, you could pardon yourself and you could sell a pardon. And as long as it's part of official conduct or core constitutional conduct, it's okay. Founding

followers would have been okay with presidents setting up a for-sale sign and selling their powers according to Neil Gorsuch. And I was like, wow, if this guy ever writes one of these opinions or gets his hands on one of these issues, we're done. That's why it didn't surprise me when he was in the majority to do a solid for the Jan six insurrectionist and take two of the highest prison term crimes off the books against them,

that of obstruction of an official proceeding. Oh no, that wasn't made for that. That was made for something else, that law. When Congress got together in 2002, yes, the words actually say that it could be applied to this scenario. Gorsuch and others wrote, but no, we can't allow that. They weren't trying to stop the electoral count.

They weren't. What were the Jan 6 insurrectionists doing, Associate Justice Gorsuch? This was just a tour of the Capitol that had gotten out of control? Is that it? This was just tourism instead of insurrection? Have you seen the footage, man? Now I know who's seen the footage. The DC courts and judges, the federal DC trial judges have all seen the footage,

thousands and thousands of hours of the insurrection, watching the Capitol burn, watching medieval battles with an outmatched Capitol police right in the Western Tunnel in the West Portico hand-to-hand combat by Jan six insurrectionist fomented and pointed there by Donald Trump but it hasn't got up to the United States Supreme Court they don't like to talk about this those pesky little things called the facts surrounding Donald Trump. So let's not get my, whenever you hear Neil Gorsuch, Alito or Thomas say, let's not get mired in the facts.

They're an appellate court. They're only supposed to be mired in the factual record developed below, not making up new facts, not tossing out facts, not issuing opinions that are not tethered to the facts. I know they would like to get rid of cases altogether. I can tell. This is to you, Associate Justice Gorsuch. I know you don't like to be an appellate judge. What you wanna do is just be an Imperial Supreme Court

that just issues rulings having nothing to do with the cases before you. That would be a lot easier, a lot easier. You don't have to worry about the record. You just make new law. You wanna be alleged, you wanna be in the Congress, but you're not. And then to say that you are also unchecked.

Presidency's unchecked, no checks and balances, Supreme Court's unchecked. I got bad news for you. Go look in the Constitution. This is the dirty little secret they don't want to acknowledge. They want to say, you always have to look to the words of the Constitution.

We're originalists, we're textualists, whatever that means. You always have to look there and only there. If it's not there, then we're not going to enforce it. Go look there. I got time. Tell me where in the United States Constitution is the provision about your role on the Supreme Court, about the Supreme Court's role of checks and balances, that they're going to be the one to declare the law of the land over and override Congress and the executive branch.

Go ahead. I've got time. It's not there. That came out of case law and precedent, primarily by John Marshall, the first Supreme Court Chief Justice back in the 1800s, in which he established permanently the role of the United States Supreme Court in the three co-equal branches of government.

Before that, and based on the text of the Constitution, it doesn't exist. So what do you do with that textualist and originalists? It's not even in the text. You know what else is not in the text? The number of Supreme Court justices or whether they should have a lifetime appointment. That all has to be fixed. And one way or the other, kicking and screaming, Supreme Court justices are threatening the President of the United States with, watch out, watch out for what? Or what, or else, or what? I mean I'm a New Yorker, or what? What are you gonna do about it? We have to have this conversation. Elizabeth Warren, Senator Elizabeth Warren, said the Supreme Court is on the ballot in

November and I agree with her. And now you know why. And he's put it, people like Gorsuch has put themselves on the ballot. I've said before and I'll say it again, when they write the history of this particular combination of the United States Supreme Court justices, it will go down as one of the worst in history. It will circle the drain of history and so will Gorsuch.

And defending yourself on Fox News is not going to matter because everything we need to see is in your decisions and how you rule and what you rule on. We'll continue to follow it all in the Midas Dutch Network and on Legal AF, I'm fired up. Legal AF on Wednesdays and Saturdays at 8 p.m. Eastern time and then on all audio podcast platforms. Just plug in Legal AF. So until my next hot take, until my next Legal AF, this is Michael Popak reporting.

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