Legal AF by MeidasTouch - The Intersection with Michael Popok Full Episode - 10/14/2025

Episode Date: October 15, 2025

Trump blurts out overtly sexist and disgusting things about Press Sec Caroline Leavitt’s mouth, while preying on Italian PM Meloni fresh off his Middle East trip. JD Vance blurts out on network television that there ARE Tom Homan bribe videos that haven’t been produced to the American People; Trump’s pet Lindsey Halligan blurts out that she indicted NY AG Tish James because “she wanted to get it over with;” James Comey’s lawyers blurt out that they will be filing a motion to declare Halligan illegally appointed and to have it assigned to a new judge; Alex Jones blurts out to the Supreme Court that he shouldn’t be held liable for defaming and causing the Sandy Hook Elementary School parents emotional harm by claiming their children aren’t really dead, because he has a lot of followers and subscribers; the Supreme Court holds an oral argument upon which the entirely of the foundation of our representative democracy rests, meaning whether we will ever have black and brown Congresspeople ever again. Popok is at The Intersection to make it make sense. Delete Me: Get 20% off your DeleteMe plan when you go to join https://deleteme.com/LEGALAF and use promo code LEGALAF at checkout. Miracle Made: Upgrade your sleep with Miracle Made! Go to https://TryMiracle.com/LEGALAF and use the code LEGALAF to claim your FREE 3 PIECE TOWEL SET and SAVE over 40% OFF. Check out The Popok Firm at: https://thepopokfirm.com Subscribe: https://www.youtube.com/@LegalAFMTN?sub_confirmation=1 Legal AF Substack: https://substack.com/@legalaf Follow Legal AF on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/legalafmtn.bsky.social Follow Michael Popok on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/mspopok.bsky.social Subscribe to the Legal AF by MeidasTouch podcast here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/legal-af-by-meidastouch/id1580828595 Remember to subscribe to ALL the MeidasTouch Network Podcasts: MeidasTouch: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/meidastouch-podcast Legal AF: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/legal-af MissTrial: https://meidasnews.com/tag/miss-trial The PoliticsGirl Podcast: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/the-politicsgirl-podcast The Influence Continuum: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/the-influence-continuum-with-dr-steven-hassan Mea Culpa with Michael Cohen: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/mea-culpa-with-michael-cohen The Weekend Show: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/the-weekend-show Burn the Boats: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/burn-the-boats Majority 54: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/majority-54 Political Beatdown: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/political-beatdown On Democracy with FP Wellman: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/on-democracy-with-fpwellman Uncovered: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/maga-uncovered Coalition of the Sane: https://meidasnews.com/tag/coalition-of-the-sane Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Watch the Hulu original series Murdoch Death in the Family, streaming October 15th on Disney Plus. We have a lot to talk about on this intersection podcast. I'm Michael Popock, and I don't just mean at the intersection of law and politics. I mean, as a nation, we have to have a heart to heart with each other about what is happening with this Trump administration, which is spiraling out of control and threatening to take us along with it. And what we're going to do as the non-Maga part of the country,

the larger part of the country in order to save our constitutional republic. We've got Supreme Court hearings, including tomorrow. I'm going to brief you on that I don't, I mean, I hope people don't think I deal in hyperbole. I'm not a hyperbolic person, but the soul of America is up for grabs tomorrow at the Supreme Court oral argument about the Calais case in Louisiana. There's no other way to put it. Whether black and brown people are going to be in Congress or not, whether we're going to have representative democracy or not, is all on the line with a hearing, an oral argument tomorrow and an eventual ruling by the Supreme Court. And I'm going to tell you what is at stake.

It's not just the fact that every map in red states will be completely redrawn in eliminating up to 20 Democratic, that means black and brown seats, but it goes to who we are as a nation. The Voting Rights Act is the crown jewel of the civil rights movement and legislation passed under the Johnson administration led by leaders, the likes of which we haven't seen since, like Martin Luther King Jr. So I want to talk about that and have a couple of a conversation with you, so you can have a conversation with your neighbors, your fellow church goers and synagogue goers and mosques goers and atheists and agnostics, whoever you are,

whatever your gender, we need to have this conversation. We can't shy away from it. Being defiant in our First Amendment expression does not mean we're disloyal to America. Quite the opposite by being somebody who defends not only your own personal right to express yourselves, to peaceably assemble, to associate with those who you want to associate with, to hear in the marketplace of ideas, the things that you may not even want to hear, not just for yourself, but for your neighbor is being patriotic. It is what America is about. We can't let Donald Trump take the beating heart of what it means to be an American and rip it out and show it to us on an hourly or daily basis. And through the matters at the intersection of law in politics that I've curated for you on this legal AF slash intersection podcast,

we're going to get to the bottom of what and distill what it means to be an American and you'll test your own values. And you'll say, no, that's right. No, that's wrong. Because I don't live in the moral gray area of there's no right and there's no wrong. Most, virtually all of what I see in the Trump administration is wrong. Even when he tries to pull off what is effectively for him, a real estate land deal, without concern and with complete indebted. difference to human suffering that is the mid-east peace plan self-proclaimed even even even even there

there is a depravity and indifference to human suffering on both sides of that line people are like oh donald trump was able to cut the gordian knot of the middle east conflict yeah because he saw it as a real estate play. Who let it? Real estate developer Steve Whitkoff, real estate developer Jared Kushner, real estate developer Donald Trump. They don't care about how you rebuild Gaza, the human suffering in Israel, the human suffering in Gaza, the amount of people who died who were kidnapped in Israel, the amount of people who died and suffered on the other side. They don't care about that. They never will. That's why that shiny gold object that the gollum of Donald Trump covets the Nobel Peace Prize. He'll never get the Nobel Peace Prize because he's a warmonger.

He's closer to being indicted as a war criminal by the ICC than he is winning the Nobel Peace Prize. And then you've got, I want to jump in here. I'm going to talk about the James Comey, not just the indictment, but the developments there. it is it is pulverizing the Department of Justice the leadership we're watching it is imploding it's becoming a black hole the Department of Justice it was already the most corrupt Department of Justice in history but now there's just a fractious lack of leadership because Donald Trump took seriously that he's the chief legal officer and Pam Bondi is just his slacky. And now we've got a rebellious force within the Department of Justice. Of course,

the MAGA splinter off, represented by Ed Martin and his chief acolyte, Lindsay Halligan, against Pam Bondi and Todd Blanche and new reporting. Guess who doesn't like Cash Patel? Pam Bondi and Todd Blanche. We'll talk about what all of that means and what it means for some new filings that James Comey's going to be making by the 20th of October. Wait to you here what that's all about. Then I want to update you on Letitia James and the new information that's come out that demonstrates that the career prosecutors who wouldn't take this case and said there was no case were right about who's living in that house in Virginia.

I feel like I'm doing a horror movie. Who's living in the house? The call's coming from inside. and why is she going, why is she staring down the barrel of a 30-year prison sentence because she let a couple of family members stay in a house that she told the bank was going to be her second home? What is happening here? But there's some developments there that involves Lindsey Allegan and Ed Martin all over again. And now we've got to return to Tom Homan and the bribery scandal because the press reports were,

Stephanopoulos cuts off J.D. Vance during testy interview on Sunday about Tom Homan. No, that's not it. I caught what's it. I caught what's it. J.D. Vance, who often goes on television and makes it worse, not better for whatever scandal's going on. J.D. Vance accidentally confessed that there is a video recording of Tom Homan. Borders are taking a 50,000. $1,000 bribe, cash in a bag. Stephanopoulos kept saying audio. He said, I don't know what you mean about this video. There's the confession we were looking for.

J.D. Vance is always trying to clean up here. You know, when Pete Hankseth said, there is going to be a Qatari Air Force Base in Idaho. And then they sent out J.D. Vance to say, uh, that was taken out of context. Why? Because they played the audio tape without editing it of Pete Hegseth's remarks next to the, um, next to the, uh, prime, the, uh, foreign minister for Qatar, for cutter. Just so crazy. Uh, we're going to talk about the bribe scandal and where it goes from here. Uh, we've got the, um, Alex Jones. Thank God. I don't want to thank the Supreme Court.

Uh, you know, he's not getting out from under his $1.5 billion punitive damages and defamation, uh, judgment that was obtained properly so by the Sandy Hook families because he said that the children didn't really die in the massacre nor the teachers. They were actors. and the parents were actors, and this was a false flag event, yeah, he's not getting out of the $1.5 billion of judgments because of the First Amendment and the Supreme Court sent them packing. We'll talk about that, and it ties back to that story about Comey and what's going on in the Department of Justice. Supreme Court, as I let off what we're doing here, is about to hear oral. argument in the Calais case about voting maps and that's important and then I want to do a brief update about the National Guard but first before we get started

Donald Trump the sexual predator sex abuser adjudged in chief is back at it again saying disgusting sexual sexist misogynous things in a predatory leering way against women including in his own White House, like the press secretary, including about Prime Minister Maloney in Italy. He was supposed to be on a victory lap because of that land deal masquerading as the peace process in the Middle East. But then he went back and started talking to reporters. And then he met with people like Maloney. I want to show you back to back. Let's go with Maloney first and watch the look on her face. Very much. Italy, we have a woman, a young woman who's, uh, I'm not allowed to say it because usually it's the end of your political career.

If you say it, she's a beautiful young woman. Now, if you use the word beautiful in the United States about a woman, that's the end of your political career, but I'll take my chances. Where is she? There she is. You don't mind being called beautiful, right? Because you are. Thank you very much for coming. We appreciate it. She wanted to be here, and she's incredible, and they really respect her in Italy. She's a very successful, very successful politician.

I know, he uses that phrase all the time. I know it'll end my career. It could end anybody else's career, but I'm going to say it. You're a beautiful, beautiful woman. He's, he's so disgusting. Like, he goes to meet with the royal family, and we've already seen the clips with Donald Trump greeting Princess Kate. You know, was like a national, international icon.

You are so beautiful. I mean, I can read lips on the clip. Oh, my God, yuck. yeah especially when everybody he meets knows he's been a judge to sex abuser 9-0 by a federal court in new york a federal judge he said he was a technical rapist because of his sexual abuse against eugene carroll who's still holding a hundred million dollars of judgments that says she was right and he was wrong and they also know about the access hollywood tape which i had to listen to recently to do a new video and i was like it was even more vulgar than i had

remember it. Like I had misremembered it. About grabbing women by their P-word and the F-bomb and using breath mints to jam his tongue down women's throats, unsuspectingly. I'm like, e-gads, how did this guy, you know, who sent him back to the White House? So let's play. Then it turns to Carolyn Levitt, Caroline Leavitt, and he makes like an overtly sexual comment about her mouth and lips. I mean, I hate to play it, but let's play it. And I never failed to work it up like immediately, is that right? How's Caroline doing? Is she doing good?

Do Caroline be replaced? No. That's up to you, sir. Nobody wants to say she does a great job. Do you want to elaborate on the field? And those lips, they move like a machine gun, right? Do you want to elaborate on the... Right. Yuck.

It's all consistent. You know, when he was on his I want to win the Nobel Prize tour. You know, he was in the Oval Office meeting with an African-American or an African reporter. And he couldn't help himself. Let's play that clip. As China defense its presence in Latin America, what role do you see for the U.S.? I just like to watch your talk. I'm sorry.

No. Good job. Okay. Thank you. Thank you, darling. This is the conversation we have to have with each other. We can't ignore it. We can't look away.

We can't say that's just Trump being Trump. And the fact that Maga and the Christian right defend him needs to be called out. You know, they all go and shake a tambourine at Charlie Kirk's Memorial. You know, they all go, a couple hundred thousand people pack into a stadium about Christian values. What is Christian, Judeo-Christian, Judeo-Muslof, Islam Christian? What is about anything that I just played here or talked about so far? None of it is.

None of it is. so let me jump into as long as we're here together thank you and thank you for being here with me it is we're about four months into this show regularly doing two 300,000 on the video tens of thousands more on the audio and we cracked the top 100 of all YouTube podcasts that's because of you I mean news sports who's your daddy oh We broke back into the top 100, and we're going to do it again, week after week after week. And I want to try to do the same thing on the audio side and get more reviews on the audio side. Just put in the intersection, leave a five-star review in comments, which I read, and it does help improve what we do here in addition.

Let me turn to James Comey. James Comey shocked the world. No, James Comey has had a series of wins in front of the judge in this case, Judge Namco. Namakov in the Eastern District of Virginia. First of all, he got the trial date that he wanted. First week in January of 2026. He got all the orders from the judge because since the arraignment,

the Trump administration, DOJ, has filed all these motions to slow down having to turn over documents to the Comey side. Oh, we need more time. We need more time. Judge says no more time. Turn them all. He ordered today, turn all the documents over. We call it Brady material, all the witness statements.

All the memos from the career prosecutors that said there's no case, turn it all over to the defense. All the witness statements that you took of people who undermine the case, turn it over. Also, the judge said, I want all motions. Really, almost all motions. By the 20th of October, it's right around the corner. So we get today a notice of an intention to file a motion.

Why? Well, first, Comey announced, he did in court through his lawyers, Pat Fitzgerald, that they're going to be filing a motion to disqualify and have declared Lindsey Halligan is illegally appointed as the U.S. attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia. We knew that was coming. Why? Because she was appointed by a statute that only allows one interim U.S. attorney to be appointed by a attorney general, and then after that, the district court judges of that district get to pick it. It says in the statute, Sam Alito on the Supreme Court when he was writing in the White House

for the Reagan administration, as an assistant office of legal counsel person, wrote exactly that. It's a one use. They had one use. Eric Seibert, the conservative Republican that they fired because Donald Trump did like the fact that he wasn't going to indict Letitian James or James Comey. So she doesn't get another pick named Lindsay Halligan or anybody else. The judges of the district do. So the reason they filed today a preview of that motion is because since, if they're right,

the group of the entity that picks the next U.S. attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia are the judges of the Eastern District, they smartly have said, you've got to send this off to another judge outside of the Eastern District of Virginia, like another district in Virginia, or maybe North Carolina,

to hear the motion. Very similar to what happened to Alina Haba when they filed a motion in New Jersey, which implicated the fact that all of New Jersey's district judges rejected Alina Haba. It got sent to Middle District of Pennsylvania. So here's the process, which is what they're telling Judge Navcoff to start. A motion that sort of implicates the entirety of the bench gets sent to the chief judge of the appellate court where that district is located.

For the Eastern District of Virginia, that's the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals. Judge Diaz, Chief Judge Diaz, he decides, he just has to send it outside of the Eastern District of Virginia. like I think there's a northern district of Virginia he could do there like North Carolina which is in the Fourth Circuit and so he gives the judge time to line all that up and on October 20th we're going to get several motions by Comey we're going to get the motion

to dismiss for prosecutorial misconduct vindictive prosecution and selective prosecution and other abuse and indictment issues grand jury issues procedural issues typos spelling errors Lindsey Allegan screwing up when she made the presentation and the rest. Now, it turns out, and the reporting and the leaking is getting stronger,

that Pam Bondi and Todd Blanche did not agree, at least with Comey being indicted. And the person that looks like he did agree is Ed Martin, who could not get confirmed as the U.S. attorney for D.C., and instead was given this minister without portfolio position of the head of the weaponization of the Department of Justice Working Group and pardon lawyer under Pam Bondi, Ed Martin. But Ed Martin, Eagle Ed Martin is bat-shit MAGA, and Donald Trump knows it.

So it looks like Ed Martin and Lindsey Halligan that Ed Martin is having Lindsey Halligan report to him not to Pam Bondi and not to Todd Blanchett. it's pissing off Bondi and Blanche. And then Halligan fired the person, the prosecutor that was handpicked by Bondi to be the Eastern District of Virginia, U.S. attorney, a, at least she was young, but at least she was a prosecutor, to be here number two in the office. No, she got fired today, Meg Cleary. That's another affront and insubordination to Pam Bondi.

This is Donald Trump. has created his own organizational chart where Pam Bondi and Todd Blanche are not in charge of Lindsay Halligan and Ed Martin, especially about the indictments of his political rivals. Donald Trump's in charge. It's creating this fractious situation of an implosion with an Department of Justice.

We also learned from some New York Times reporting that Pam Bondi and Todd Blanche hate Cash Patel and they think he's an idiot. Of course, we always knew that. So this whole Comey indictment thing threatens to explode and destroy the Department of Justice and Leadership. I'm not sure who survives from all of this. Eagle Ed Martin.

And now, I think, in looking back on it, that Lindsay Halligan got advice on how to present the case in the Comey indictment to the grand jury and Letitia James from former federal prosecutor, Chan 6th denier, election denier, Ed Martin. Makes sense. She'd never been a prosecutor before. So I think that's what we're watching. New York Times is starting to do a little bit of that. There's a battle between Ed Martin and Todd Blanche, which they've reported on,

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and with his chief lieutenant, Lindsay Halligan. Remember, Lindsay Halligan is tied to Donald Trump, not to Pam Bondi. It's Donald Trump that implored Pam Bondi through that phony, direct message, social media post. Pam, we're running out of time, indict all my enemies. I mean, I'm barely paraphrasing. And use Lindsay Allegan. She really likes you. I thought I was in middle school. She thinks you're pretty and your hair is so shiny. Hire her. And then Lindsay Halegan went out and said,

no, I'm going to hire Meg Cleary. She's sort of a maga darling. At least she's a prosecutor. And that lasted 12 hours. And then Trump was like, no, I'm putting in Lindsay Allegan. Well, I'll stash Meg as number two. So at least we have a prosecutor in the office. And because Ed Martin's like, well, I'm a prosecutor and I'm guiding Lindsay Halligan.

Lindsay Halligan fired Meg Cleary today. And it brings us back to Letitia James, who nobody, nobody in their right mind or a career prosecutor wanted to prosecute Letitian James either. The chief major crimes prosecutor in Norfolk Division of the office said, no way, Jose, no way I'm doing that. And let it be known that she wasn't going to do it. And then 72 hours they indicted her. Caught the Department of Justice by surprise.

There's actually an associate deputy attorney general that's responsible. responsible for all 93 U.S. attorneys? He had no idea this indictment was coming on Thursday. Well, I just want to get it over with, she said. I'm so good at it. I'm two for two. Getting indictments. All right. Now the new reporting comes out that what are we, what is the crime here? Letitia James owns multiple homes. One of them is in Brooklyn, New York, by the way, not New Jersey. one of several typos that Lindsay Halligan is responsible for. Like she doesn't know how to spell the word principle properly, like bedrock principle, she spelled wrong in her press release.

She spelled the name of the city that the defendant lives in wrong. And those little things are like the cockroach theory, right? You don't just have you see a cockroach in your kitchen, unfortunately. You don't just have one cockroach. You have 50 cockroaches. You only see them one at a time. And when you see an error like that in a filing judges, adversaries like me, you look at it and you go, what else is wrong in here? The facts, the law, the case law they're using, what else is wrong? And so I think that's going to be one of several problems that lawyers that are really, really good, like Abby Lowell and Pat Fitzgerald are going to use against Leticia, against Lindsay Halligan in the Lettisha James case. Turns out that Lettisha owns a second home. okay that she told the bank she was borrowing money from some low sum of money like she borrowed

105,000 to buy a $118,000 house she told them it's a second home it's obviously a second home she lives in new york she's the new york attorney general and they said okay sign this rider that says you won't rent it out okay she had a niece with power of attorney do the closing documents maybe that piece of paper slipped in there maybe it didn't what's and so what's the new she has a second home. Oh, she has people living there. Yeah, they're her family. There's no rental agreement. She hasn't declared it on her taxes. She let, like, I let my family stay in the house here. I got a mother-in-law visiting from overseas for the last seven weeks. I'm not, I'm not renting out the house. So there's many, many problems with the prosecution. But it also points

up that there's a major battle in the leadership structure of the Department of Justice, one that Donald Trump doesn't care about, or he actually likes when all of these people are kept on eggshells. I mean, he sees Lettician James and Todd Blanche and the rest of them as just fungible. They're interchangeable. They're like, they have no more meaning to him as a client than one of his Diet Coke's that's really the case and now we've got a new fight that's come out

in the have you been following the tom homin bribery scandal the republicans in maga don't want you to but we are so tom home it is now the borders are you know he's the guy that goes on television crushing families and their souls and delighting in it you know he's the kind of guy that you would see laughing hysterically at a fire at an orphanage you know that kind of guy so tom home

who gets put in charge the Borders Tsar position, it's well known that Trump, if he gets back into power, he was going to put Tom Homan in as Borders are. So there was an FBI sting operation because a target of their other public integrity investigation said Tom Homan was dirty. So the FBI went in with a bag of cash. It was no more complicated than that, everybody.

It was $50,000 shoved into a, restaurant takeout bag. That's it. It's not, well, there was a Swiss bank account and then it went to Grenada and then came back up through pesos and it went out as ruble. Like, no, it was a paper bag of U.S. cash. You're in my U.S. cash. Taxpayer dollars masquerading as a bribe. And it already leaked out from the FBI operatives who I'm sure have all been fired because this happened in the Biden administration. There's audio and video. There's audio and video. There's audio and video. of the surveillance. Of course there is. How would you do the surveillance if there wasn't? So somewhere, I don't know if it was the salt shaker or the menu holder or an eye in the sky,

there was a camera. And we've been trying to get that video ever since. Ever since the story broke. I think MSNBC broke it. And they've been denying it. You hear variations on a theme. J.D. Vance over the weekend said, well, I'm sure he's taken $50,000 before. I don't really know which $15,000. $50,000 you're talking about. It's almost like, you'll hear the clip in a minute. It's almost like J.D. Vance was saying, there's so many bags of cash that Tom Homan has taken in his career, I can't keep track.

So he's made a lot of money in his life. I'm sure he's made $50,000. No, no, follow J.D. Stay with the continuity of the story. A certain bag of cash in a Kava bag pushed across the table by two people he thought were contractors. But he had no power, so he never could. and it's been investigated.

But here's where J.D. Vance effed up. Because for whatever reason on the George Stephanopoulos show or whatever that's called at ABC News, he had J.D. Vance on. J.D. Vance, who loves attacking ABC News as having no viewers and George Stephanopoulos is having no viewers, yet J.D. Vance is on the show. So you do the math.

And after a series of questions about the Middle East, the Middle East issues and all of this, it turned back to Tom Hohman because the answers the questions had never been answered. Certainly, Pam Bondi during her confirmation hearing made it worse. In fact, let's play Pam Bondi first when she's asked, where is the bribed video, audio surveillance tape? Play the clip. You know, you've mentioned that you can't discuss pending litigation,

and I think the committee by and large accepted that answer. But I did notice that you spoke at great length about pending litigation, specifically with respect to the questions Senator Cruz asked you about the sentencing of the Kavanaugh defendant. That's pending, right? He was sentenced to eight years. I understand that, but that's on appeal, right? We will be appealing.

Right, so that makes it pending litigation. So you made an exception with respect to the Cruz questions, but you didn't answer any of the questions that you said were pending litigation from any of my colleagues. Those were facts that came out at the sentencing hearing. You're welcome to see the transcript of the sentencing hearing with all the gruesome details of what they threatened to do to Justice Kavanaugh and other justices. I condemn what that person did.

That was the sentencing. But the point here is that that's pending litigation. You indicated you're going to be appealing. It's your right to do that. And you would not, you use that justification to not. answer many other questions. Justification. You're an attorney, Senator. You realize that. I do want to go back to Holman. You know, there's a tape, right, with Mr. Homan? I mean, first of all, is there a tape that has audio and video of the transfer of the 50,000? You would have to talk to

Director Patel about that. No, I'm talking to you. I don't know the answer, Senator. You do know the answer to that. Don't call me a liar. I didn't call me a liar. I didn't call you a lot. You just said I know the answer. I said I don't know the answer. You have to talk to Director Patel. What I said is that investigation was closed. If you don't know, why don't you know whether there was a tape and video? Senator, I believe that was resolved prior to my confirmation as Attorney General. Do you think that it is of public interest for the people to know what happened to the 50 grand that the FBI turned over to Homan? Did you hear what I just said? That was resolved prior to my confirmation as attorney general. That's why I said I would not know.

It's not resolved. There's $50,000. Homan has it or somebody has it. Do you have no interest to know where it is? You're not going to sit here and slander Tom Homan. The FBI and Deputy Director Blanche said there was nothing. I'm not slamming Tom Homan. He got to 50 grand. How do you know that? Tom Homan is doing a great job as our borders are, keeping your border state safe. You're a border state. Thank you, Senator Welch. We're going to turn up. Madam President, could I have one of the not right now. Not right now. How dare. It's where I go into my high dungeon voice, which usually ends up being Warner Brothers cartoon. I do declare. You're declaring,

you're calling me a liar. Where is, I'm just waiting for somebody to come in with a fan and a mint jolip while She's, oh, yes, sit down, Pam. You're being called a liar. I don't know. You'll have to ask Cash Patel, FBI director, who she hates. FBI, did you not ask him? They do not know. So then that leads us to, and just so we're kind of, for our own continuity's sake,

democracy forward led by Sky Perryman, which has a beautiful, amazing playlist on LegalAF YouTube channel. I interview her about once a week on her new cases. They're in court right now, federal court, to get that video and audio. I mean, the Democrats are trying to do it, too, in the Senate, but in the House, but she's going to do it with that lawsuit. So last chance, J.D. Vance, tell us about the Holman video, and if you got it, and watch how he confesses to there being a videotape. because for whatever reason, Stephanopoulos kept saying audio, surveillance, audio, audio,

and then J.D. Vance screws up, and I got the receipt. Play the clip. George, I saw media reports that Tom Homan accepted a bribe. There's no evidence of that. And here's, George, why fewer and fewer people watch your program and why you're losing credibility, because you're talking for now five minutes with the Vice President of United States about this story regarding Tom Holman, a story that I've read about, but I don't even know the video that you're talking about. Meanwhile, low-income women can't get food because the Democrats and Chuck Schumer have shut down the government. Right now, we're trying to figure out how to pay our troops because Chuck Schumer has shut down the government. You are focused

on a bogus story. You're insinuating criminal wrongdoing against a guy who has done nothing wrong instead of focusing on the fact that our country is struggling because our government's shut down. Let's talk about the real issues, George. I think the American people would benefit much more from that than from you going down some weird left-wing rabbit hole where the facts clearly show that Tom Homan didn't engage in any criminal wrongdoing. It's not a weird left-wing rabbit hole. I didn't insinuate anything. I asked you whether Tom Homan accepted $50,000, as was heard on an audio tape recorded by the FBI in September 2024, and you did not answer the question. Thank you for your time this morning. No, George, I said that I don't. Up next. We'll be right

So ABC again, the ABC seems to have won the Jimmy Kimmel War because now there's reporting that all those affiliates that are owned by Sinclair and this other right-wing Christian family that owns like all the ABC affiliates that you and I watch, you know, the actual TV stations, they've relented and they're putting Kimmel back on the air. So it's not just the broad, it's not just ABC is broadcasting Kimmel. It's like 300 channels around America, including in Red States, are showing Kimmel again. And so that happened, you know, because the Trump administration, of course, went too far in the wake of Charlie Kirk and made a martyr out of Jimmy Kimmel instead of Charlie Kirk. But it's ABC again, you know, once they stroke that check for $15 million because George Stephanopoulos properly called Donald Trump a rapist, I mean, I'm just repeating what Judge Lewis Kaplan said in one of his own orders, which is technically you're a rapist. Donald Trump wants you to believe that if you were in a, like, a cocktail party, for instance, and somebody walked into the room and you pointed to them out loud, everybody stopped clinking their glasses, and you said, you, sir, are a rapist. And the guy responded, I am not. I am a sexual

abuser. See, I don't think that would help him in the cocktail party. That's Donald Trump's argument. So, but, you know, once ABC wrote the $15 million, check equal to Stephanopoulos' salary because during an interview with E. Jean Carroll, who got him adjudged a sexual predator, a sexual abuser, he used the R word instead of the A word. Now you're going to stroke checks all the time. So we're back to another ABC White House problem. I love, but one of my favorite comments with J.D. Vance was, that's why nobody watches you, George. And that's why you went on the show? because nobody watches.

All right, let's move on from the Holman fiasco and move on to the Alex Jones fiasco. I hate talking about the guy. But as he told the Supreme Court, he's got 30 million followers. So crazy. The crazies that follow Alex Jones. Election denier, Jan 6th denier, 9-11 denier,

Sandy Hook Massacre denier. that's quite a I was going to say trifecta that's quite a quadruplefaxa thing yeah that's a whole lot of denying I guess is what I'm trying to say including the depravity of claiming that children who will never see adulthood and parents who will never see their child get older were all an elaborate scam and scheme it was just a fever dream didn't really happen children aren't really dead the FBI agent who testified in tears about the bodies that he saw at Sandy Hook. He's a traitor, according to Ed Martin. Now that's where we have, so what happened with Alex Jones? Alex Jones tried to, first he testified his own cases, two different cases, and two different juries and judges came back with a $1.5 billion judgment against him for his defamation, his libel, his blood liable, and his punitive damages. Then for the next. several years, he tried to use bankruptcy court to avoid paying anything. And then that didn't work.

But it took several years. Give a lot of credit to the plaintiff's lawyers in this case. And then he tried to hide his assets. And that didn't work. Then he tried, then there was a court order to sell his assets. In fact, I asked, I asked the Midas Touch brothers to buy Info Wars to bury it. They didn't do that. I still like to buy it. And he's back on the air with all these followers. So he's tried to argue at the United States Supreme Court, he's entitled to overturn his $1.5 billion because he's got First Amendment protection. He gets to say disgusting things and not be subject to defamation law. And they said, denied. We're not taking that case. And that's another. So there seems to be limits. If your name is Trump or you're the president,

sky's the limit with this Supreme Court. But everybody else, watch your back. because you don't have immunity, you're not the executive, you don't have Article 2 power, and if it has to do with like sex and defaming dead babies, you're not getting the Supreme Court to rule in your favor. And so we've got the ruling now. Now, just to show you he was begging at the end, which he should, Alex Jones sent in another filing to the Supreme Court saying, I got 30 million followers, First Amendment, Public Square. No, you don't get to say disgusting deprave things that make people feel bad and give them mental distress and intentional reflection of emotional distress and get away with it.

You can do it, but you've got to write a check. Now, how are we going to collect the $150, sorry, the $1.5 billion from Alex Jones? I don't know. Garnish his wages forever. They'll get several million dollars from him. I saw at one point he had like, I think his estate, his bankruptcy estate and his value of, I think it was like 10 or 20 million dollars. Whatever. It's, it's 10 or 20 million dollars he doesn't need to have. Now that the appeal is over, his lawyers will go after it and

fight hard. And as the White House continues to protect people like Alex Jones, I mean, Ed Martin, the guy I've been talking about all night, Eagle Ed, he wrote a letter on his own on Department of Justice letterhead, excoriating the FBI agent. for testifying under oath about what he saw, and Todd Blanche found out about it and blasted Ed Martin and said, why are you sullying the White House's reputation over a fringe podcaster rescind the letter? And allegedly, he did.

But it was the beginning of the end of the relationship between Todd Blanche and Ed Martin. And the problem for Todd Blanche is Trump loves Ed Martin. And that is a major problem. so we'll continue to follow that story and where that leads well we're in the home stretch of that conversation that we need to have we call the intersection i want to update you on tomorrow's very important voting rights case i mean our constitutional representative democracy is on the line this is an attack full frontal attack by maga on black and black

voters and their attempt to make every congressional district that they can white in America. And the Voting Rights Act is up for grabs, whether it's going to even survive. Section 1 already being ripped up and torn out of the Voting Rights Act in prior case law. Now Voting Rights Section 2, which is the crown jewel of the Voting Rights Act passed by Lyndon Johnson at the urging of Martin Luther King, Jr. I mean, these are like totemic things I'm talking about here. These are the touchstones of our democracy. Look at the names I'm talking about.

The leaders of the civil rights movement. The president that brought us the great society. And we're talking about having six people, mainly guys on the Supreme Court, rip these things up like it was a circular in your, mailbox. Talking about the Constitution here. We're talking about what it means to be an American and what our participatory democracy and representative form of government and the American experiment mean. That's what's up for grabs. And I'm worried. We have it up live on

Substack and on legal AF YouTube tomorrow at 10 a.m. Eastern time. I'm worried about this oral argument. In 2023 in an Alabama case called Shelby, John Roberts, joined with Kavanaugh, with the three remaining moderates on the bench, and they formed a block to approve a voting map in Alabama that created one more predominantly black district. That's all we're talking about. Louisiana, it's even more pathetic. The 12 white plaintiffs are challenging a map where in a state that has over a third black people, U.S. citizens, challenging a map. because it made one more district.

And not one more district to like even it out. Not one more district to equal 33 and a third percent of the state. One more district to give two out of seven. Two out of a total of seven. I haven't done math in a while like that, but we're talking about 28% in a state where that's still under the amount before. It was one out of seven.

The map that we're fighting over, was going to reduce black representation to 14% of the congressional districts more than or less than half of their of their population then Louisiana said well all right there's a before and after before the United States Supreme Court ruled for affirmative against affirmative action in the Harvard case Harvard University case in which it said well if you want to stop racial discrimination, stop discrimination, stop discriminating based on race. Yeah, thanks for that tautology, genius, you know, because to the most of the Supreme Court, we should now be colorblind. Congratulate yourselves, everybody, we did it. No more racism in America.

Everybody is equally in private schools, in eating clubs, and fraternities and sororities at Ivy League schools. Everybody has the same opportunities in America. You don't need a helping hand, to help you up. There is no racism. There's no anti-Semitism. It's all just one big, happy American family. Is that right?

We're in a post-racism world, a proto-racism world after Barack Obama. Or are there people in America that still need a helping hand that aren't in the right neighborhoods, clubs, memberships, organizations to give themselves the nepo baby help that others get they don't they don't have the black and brown people

in america don't have the don't have the luxury of failing up or the gentleman's see what they used to call it in college but ever since that decision before and after all maga heard was wait anytime you use race in any in any type of selection process that's going to be automatically violative of the 14th Amendment and equal protection? Let's go after all the DEI programs. Let's go after all of the woke programs. Let's get all white people back into medical school and colleges. Let's get rid of black Congress people. Congress is primarily white anyway, even in this country. It doesn't have the representation to match the demographics numbers. And so the big argument tomorrow is what has changed since 2023 to now that would make Roberts and Kavanaugh abandon the other three,

Katanji Brown Jackson, Sotomayor, and Kagan, and side with MAGA against this map. How is this map different than the Alabama map which added an extra district? And that's what we're going to get to the bottom of. The ones that want to kill the map and kill representation are saying, It dilutes you're using race to set a map. See, when they rewrote the map to benefit Maga Mike Johnson, the Speaker of the House in Louisiana, they strengthened his district. They found a way to make a what's called a minority majority district.

One more black person got voted in from Louisiana. But that was based on race. That diluted my rights as white people in Louisiana. If Maga gets this win and gets Kavanaugh, who already commented in 2023, that he doesn't see that the Voting Rights Act Section 2 lives on at infinitum. There has to be an ending, a sundown to it. If this 2025 is the year and that map goes down, then at the next census,

the majority of state houses which are controlled by Republicans are going to redistrict all the maps and make them all white. That's why I said, I don't deal in hyperbole. This is what's going to happen. join me tomorrow or sorry join me today for the 10 a.m. Eastern time. It's up here on Legal AF. Go to the live tab. You'll find it there. I'll be in the chat. Come over to Substack. We're running it there as well. And I'll answer questions. And I'll come back on with a substack live and answer your questions. It's that important. A case that's getting to the Supreme Court pretty rapidly. It's not there yet, but it's getting there.

is the Illinois and Oregon National Guard cases. As Donald Trump decided to, you know, just do a full frontal assault on democracy, use the power of the awesome power of the presidency and its military prowess and military power to crush dissent in America, primarily in blue states and blue cities, by sending in National Guard spending billions of dollars, if you're in my money, to have them pick up litter and stand in front of federal buildings.

better you could spend half that amount of money and give it to local law enforcement to improve local policing that would have been a lot better just wouldn't have been as showy and as militaristic and and a muscle flex the way Donald Trump wanted so we have federal trial judges know what to do judge imbergut and the judges in Chicago judge imbergut in Oregon and judge and the two judges in Chicago have all ruled that Donald Trump overstepped his power. Under Section 12406, he could not commandeer the National Guard, and he sent them back to their barracks. Because there is no rebellion or domestic violence that makes Donald Trump incapable of executing the laws of the federal government, of the president. And that's the standard. Now, the Ninth Circuit

put Judge Emmergut's decision on ICE except they said we're going to deal with whether there can be we're not going to allow mobilization of the troops until we have a full hearing oral argument which they already had we're waiting on the ruling and the fourth sorry the sixth circuit over Illinois said we're going to put on hold

the judge's decision about not mobilizing the federal the national guard we're going to let the mobilization happen but we won't allow deployment we won't so stay in your barracks until we're done with the oral argument so in a way Donald trump federalized commandeered but he couldn't deploy and now we're waiting for both those appellate courts to make their ruling i listened to the ninth circuit oral argument two trumpers that's what happens you put two trumpers together in a room how many trump judges does it take to screw up a a democracy, you know what it is. So I don't think we're going to get a great ruling out of the ninth. I'm a little bit more optimistic about the Sixth Circuit sitting over Illinois.

Then we'll have conflicting rulings and it'll get it back to the United States Supreme Court that has to break that tie. I think it'll be sometime this term. I don't think they're going to rush to do it. I think Donald Trump has gotten a little bit tired of that play thing. He's gotten a lot a mileage out of attacking governors and then punching and pushing back. The Department of Justice is exhausted and leaderless, you know, Donald Trump decided he was going to do the shock and awe, flood the zone on the way in, 230 or more executive orders. He even beat FDR and FDR's executive orders for the New Deal coming out of the Great Depression. But its Department of Justice and its leadership weren't ready for it. They weren't ready for the four or five hundred

cases that would be filed against the Department of Justice. They weren't ready for federal judges. They weren't ready for appellate judges. They're doing well at the Supreme Court, where they're winning 86% of the time. But you've got to fight it out of the courts in the meantime. So they're beleaguered. I'm not feeling sorry for them. They're out of gas. They're fatigued. They're mentally drained. Did you know the Department of Justice fired 5,000 members of the Department of Justice just in the last nine and a half months? And haven't replaced them. 75% of the civil rights division lawyers are gone. And they're not rehiring them.

I know you've heard things in the shutdown that they overfired during the Doge Musk era. And now they got to hire it back, tens of thousands of people. We fired too many people in the IRS. We fired too many people in the Center for Disease Control. We've fired two. We've got to hire them all back.

And they're putting up Wana. There's jobs now, tens of thousands of job Wanda adds up for the government of people they fired all the legacy knowledge. went out the door. But the Supreme Court's going to have to deal with this National Guard Posse Convitatis Act, insurrection act by Donald Trump. He's being led around by the nose, but willingly, by people in his administration like Stephen Miller. You know, Stephen Miller, I don't know if Trump is a, is Stephen Miller. Is Stephen Miller? Is Stephen Miller?

Trump enabler or Trump's a Stephen Miller enabler. But he's our domestic policy president, Stephen Miller, and he's disgusting and depraved and immoral. And we'll continue to follow it all. I'm so glad you're here on the intersection. We've come to the end of the show every Tuesday night at 8 p.m. And then follow me on everything I do on Legal A.F. I do 1415 videos analysis on the Midas Touch Network.

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