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Episode Date: December 5, 2024

Michael Popok joined by guest host Dina Doll sitting in for KFA anchor the latest episode of the Legal AF podcast. On tap tonight: 1) Trump’s new motions to dismiss filed against the Georgia and New York criminal cases; 2) other Trump co-conspirators moving to dismiss their criminal cases and a new default judgment against Fani Willis on a records issue; 3) Trump using the FBI to now give him cover to get rid of his worst cabinet picks; 4) a bad day for transgender rights at the US Supreme Court, and so much more at the intersection of law and politics. Subscribe to the new Legal AF channel: https://youtube.com/@LegalAFMTN Subscribe to Meidas+ at https://meidasplus.com Thanks to our sponsors: Aura Frames: Visit https://AuraFrames.com and get $45 OFF their BEST-SELLING Carver Mat frames with promo code: LEGALAF PolicyGenius: Head to https://policygenius.com/legalaf to get your free life insurance quotes and see how much you could save. Lume: Control Body Odor ANYWHERE with Lume deodorant and get $5 off your Starter Pack (that’s over 40% off) with promo code legalaf at https://LumeDeodorant.com! #lumepod Moink: Keep American farming going by signing up at https://MoinkBox.com/LEGALAF RIGHT NOW and listeners of this show get FREE WINGS for LIFE! Remember to subscribe to ALL the MeidasTouch Network Podcasts: MeidasTouch: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/meidastouch-podcast Legal AF: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/legal-af MissTrial: https://meidasnews.com/tag/miss-trial The PoliticsGirl Podcast: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/the-politicsgirl-podcast The Influence Continuum: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/the-influence-continuum-with-dr-steven-hassan Mea Culpa with Michael Cohen: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/mea-culpa-with-michael-cohen The Weekend Show: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/the-weekend-show Burn the Boats: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/burn-the-boats Majority 54: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/majority-54 Political Beatdown: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/political-beatdown On Democracy with FP Wellman: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/on-democracy-with-fpwellman Uncovered: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/maga-uncovered Coalition of the Sane: https://meidasnews.com/tag/coalition-of-the-sane Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Can't capture it all. But we're going to do it a little bit geographically, then by morals and values and tie it all together. We're going to start in New York, where we've got Donald Trump filing yet another motion, making the world know that he won the election. And that should be the reason that his conviction not the indictment not the prosecution his conviction of 36 felony counts or so in New York should be vacated forget about sentencing because he won three Tuesdays ago but now he's filed an 80-page brief on it which we expected it was it was not something we didn't expect on December 2nd. And we'll talk about the arguments that were raised there

by the lawyers representing Donald Trump, who are now all gonna be in the Department of Justice. And right on cue, we've got the Georgia lawyers for Donald Trump doing almost the exact same thing, but they did it in six pages, with a new filing just today in Georgia to try to get the Georgia indictment of Donald Trump kicked on the grounds that he is the incoming president of the United States.

We'll talk about it. And that's addressed to the appellate court in Georgia because that case is up on appeal through Fonny Willis. Speaking of Fonny Willis, we'll stay in Georgia. We'll talk about Fonny Willis. I of Fonny Willis, we'll stay in Georgia. We'll talk about Fonny Willis. I don't know what's going on there. There was a screwy order of default against Fonny Willis and her office for failing to produce documents which I don't think exist. And I don't know why her office would have missed multiple deadlines and get a default judgment entered against them.

So we'll talk about that. That was brought by Tom Fitton's judicial watch that non-lawyer lawyer wannabe who runs this thing for Donald Trump out there. He filed a, um, public records request to try to get all the communications between Fonny Willis, the gen six committee and, or Jack Smith's prosecutors. She said none. He'd, he wanted that. He couldn't take no for an answer. So he filed the case and then it went into this weird world

that we'll explain. And Ken Chesbro just woke up. He is one of the architects of the fake elector scheme who pled guilty in Georgia along with three other lawyers and a few other people. And now he's having buyer's remorse. He's having convicted felon remorse. And he's like, well, wait a minute.

If all these cases are going away because the main guy has supremacy or immunity or whatever it is, I wanna take back my plea. And he's also been indicted in other places and cooperating with other prosecutors around, lost his bar license, about to lose his bar license. So we'll talk about Ken Chesbro. Then what I like to call now cabinet roulette is going on. It's just like, it's like Russia roulette, but worse. And pick after pick after pick for Donald Trump because they haven't been vetted, because he refused to let

the FBI do their job, or just going down in flames one after another. First Gates, now Hegseth. And then a little chess game going on, you know, got a lot of Florida parts to Donald Trump's cabinet. And if the media is right and the reporting is right, and it sort of makes sense, then it could be Ron DeSantis getting back into the MAGA tent coming in as defense secretary but first appointing a Trump to be a Florida senator, senator from Florida after Marco Rubio takes the secretary of state. We would have effectively two

of the four major cabinet positions occupied by Florida politicians and then maybe Lara Trump as a senator is that what's going on and is heg Seth just gonna be the appropriate sacrificial lamb because of his his terrible alleged bad conduct sexual misconduct alleged financial misconduct and everything else we'll talk about it. Then I want to touch on, just touch briefly, everybody knows about it already, Hunter Biden got a pardon, pardon me, and now the sentencing judge in California is all hot and bothered by it. He's a Trump appointee, no less, and so there's some new reporting there about that judge. And then I just want to just touch on a very important issue

about a United States Supreme Court oral argument today in a case that we've been tracking on unprecedented, a show that Tina Dahl and I do on exclusively on the Legal AF YouTube channel called Skirmety out of Tennessee, but has impact, nationwide impact, about the rights of transgender people and transgender adolescents to obtain medical care that they need in order to align who they believe they are, who they identify with as in terms of gender with their bodies, in

terms of gender-affirming procedures in medical care like puberty blockers. And we've got an oral argument today, led by the first transgender person to ever argue at the United States Supreme Court. And frankly, it did not go well for the transgender and free-thinking community, led by the MAGA right wing. We'll break all that down. We got Dina Dahl sitting in for Karen Friedman at Niflo, who is great. She's just temporarily not available this week. And so Dina Dahl is always our favorite go-to person there. Sort of like, you know, I'll hear about a show my age. Every time Johnny Carson couldn't make The Tonight Show, he'd bring in like Joan Rivers. Joan Rivers was like the kind of permanent guest host.

You're like Joan Rivers, but you know, better. I can't tell if that's a compliment. It is. I love Joan Rivers. Okay, that's good. You are. So let's, why don't you, we'll do it in that order. Did you get a chance to kind of make your way through the 80

pages of New York? Yeah, so OK, we're going to start first with his motion to dismiss. Yeah, let's do that. Why don't you lead on the motion? I'll fill in as a New York lawyer. Would you lead off on the New York filing that we expected? Judge Mershon had said, you want to bring a motion on equity

and justice because he got elected president grounds? Which I'll just leave it at this the because we haven't gotten the Manhattan D.A.'s response yet to this Alvin Bragg, but it's going to be a version of what they told the judge, which is time solves all these problems, Judge. The immunity that he claims for being a president elect into being president and the interference or impeding with the president's powers is a temporary immunity. It resolves itself like a temporary virus over the weekend. It eventually goes away and in four years it'll go away and he'll have no immunity, no supremacy clause, no separation of power. So he shouldn't get the benefit of a permanent dismissal or vacating of his convictions by a jury

for the temporary condition of four years. It'll seem interminable. It'll seem like it's gone on forever, but it is four years. And that's their solution, and we'll see that in their papers. Why don't you walk everybody through what the Trump lawyers Blanche and Beauvet are arguing to Judge Murchon. Yeah, so basically it's kind of what you said. They're really relying on this

Department of Justice memo that said no sitting president can be criminally prosecuted as well as the Supremacy Clause, the fact that he's a federal officer, the state can't prosecute him. And then he throws in the Hunter Biden pardon, because that just had happened. So conveniently for him, he adds it in and says, Oh, you know, just like the president says that his son was unfairly prosecuted, you should use that theory to dismiss my case. And he's really using kind of those three arguments. You know. The problem for him is that all of those, well, particularly the first two arguments, we're an interpretation here.

This has never actually happened before. The Department of Justice memo could apply, but we've never had it where a jury has issued a verdict prior to the fact that a president was even elected. So I actually think that D.A. Alvin Bragg's willingness to defer everything four years is quite an expansive interpretation of that DOJ memo. I think he could say at this point,

there's not that much time or effort that Trump will need for purely sentencing or purely appellate arguments regarding immunity. It's not that much of a distraction. And could have kept, you know, asked the Justice Marchand to keep going straight ahead. But it sounds like based like what you said, they told the judge, they're not going to do that. So if they're going to ask the judge to just defer it, that seems to me that they're giving

Justice Marchand a legal out that seems very reasonable. And the reason why the Department of Justice memo or the Supremacy Clause language doesn't really justify a dismissal versus the Jack Smith situation is because, as everyone knows, we've already gone through the trial. We already have a jury verdict. It's not as if they're just starting the indictment. So that's why it's a stretch for Trump

to use those really novel. We're in a novel area of the law. Like, you're going to hear a lot of different lawyers give different opinions, like even here on this channel, right? Like, I really I'm trying to push the limits of what Justice Marchand can do. I think he should go ahead and complete the sentencing now and complete his immunity decision now and not even delay it. But it's because we've never had this happen before, right? But those are his three

things. And in terms of his argument regarding the pardoning that, you know, President Biden mentions that his son was unfairly prosecuted, you know, that's an opinion, right, that the president had. It wasn't actually found legally. Trump's situation, no judge found that to be legally unfairly prosecuted. So I don't think that that's gonna actually carry any legal weight for Justice Mershon. He doesn't have to take the opinion of a president on a completely separate case into consideration when he decides whether or not to dismiss this case. If a judge had decided that Biden,

Hunter Biden had been unfairly prosecuted and based on facts that maybe could be extrapolated toward Trump's case maybe but I That was really included in the filing for purely political PR purposes Not for any legal Basis that Justice Marshawn, I think will be swayed by Yeah, I thought that the The 80 pages was just stitched together of warmed over leftovers, you know, week old leftovers in the fridge sort of stitched together.

All of these arguments, they can try to make them on appeal, but none of them make the argument appropriate under the law to vacate, which is what they're asking for. They keep saying dismiss, it's not dismissed, that the jury is spoken. You can move for vacatur or vacating of the conviction which is what they're asking to do. But on what grounds? Well it's you know it's the it's the old it's the best of the worst of their arguments. Well you've got a daughter judge. Okay, that works for the Democrats. Yeah.

Okay, and you know, you're biased. All right, Michael Cohen, we left out the big thing. Thank you, Salty. Oh, right. Well, I'm in there. I made Russian TV and a footnote in their filing in all in the last two weeks. Michael Cohen is biased and lied under oath.

Go watch all his podcasts, including, Might As Touch One involving Michael Popok and Michael Cohen and other ones, you know, site, site, site, site, site. So Michael Cohen, we've heard this before, the jury evaluated Michael Cohen's three days of testimony. They got to cross-examine Michael Cohen's three days of it.

They were not able to prove to the jury, obviously, that Michael Cohen was not telling the truth at that particular time and to discredit him. They had every opportunity and adversarial process to do that. And they were not able to do it. So they don't get to do it now, posting about some Midas Touch and Legal AF podcasts. That's not gonna do it.

And then they're complaining about, well, the jury was unfair. Well, you picked the jury. We were upset at Midas Touch and Legal AF. You didn't ask the jury if they got their news for Midas Touch and Legal AF. We're like, why are we on the questionnaire? We're like, what MSNBC and CNN, who are they?

Right. And so now, of course, they mention us, they make us part of the story. That's gonna be our new slogan, My Discussion Legal AF. When there's no story to tell, we are the news. We get the news. Right? And so you had that. So Michael Cohen, liar, I've heard this before.

Oh, you went after poor Alan Weisselberg, the chief financial officer, the guy that lied under oath and went to jail twice because of it. That guy? Yeah. So yeah, that's not going to work with this judge or even with the appellate court. The daughter works for democratic causes. What's the link between that and the judge being biased? None, none.

And then they got that stretch of an argument about well, the DOJ guidelines and the office of legal counsel. And when you're a president or you're gonna be a president, prosecution should stop. Prosecution has stopped. We're done with the prosecution.

We're up to the sentencing. And I agree with you. What's left is not much. They could sentence and push it off the actual start of the sentence for years. Exactly. You know, as opposed to push everything off for years and have him be 82 years old when he comes out and then sentence him when he's got no absolutely no protections. I don't see Mershon. He's seen all these arguments before. They'll have to be raised on appeal. But for now, I think he's going to side. I will see the paper, either you and I or somebody else to do it next week. We'll see the paper from Alvin Bragg's office, but they're going to be like, okay, none of this applies to post-conviction, pre-sentencing events. We've never had a president who was convicted about his conduct

before he was president the first time get elected a second time. We've never had that before. As you said, it's unprecedented. But time heals all wounds and fixes this problem. And I think that's exactly where Rashawn's gonna go. Just to remind everybody, or for those who don't follow it as closely as we do,

one more brief comes in in a week from Alvin Bragg. The judge has already said, I don't want reply briefs. I don't want back and forth. You can do a brief, you do a brief, I'll make the decision. So we're gonna get a decision pretty quickly before Christmas about this.

And whoever's the loser is gonna take the appeal. First level appeal, first department here in Manhattan and then whoever loses that up to the Court of Appeals in New York and whoever loses that's gonna try to take it over to the feds there's still an argument that he he hasn't a he has an issue up on appeal about whether he should have been able to remove this case to federal court which is long dead as far as I'm concerned but that's sort of still out there and And that's that. So we were not surprised then when we got almost a very similar

argument. I give them credit for doing it in six pages in Georgia. So why don't I, why don't I kick off Georgia on that? And then I'll turn, I'll turn it back to you for comment. So we get a notice of jurisdictional issue, raising the issue and what the jurisdictional issue is, a court, they're right about this, is an appellate court especially, is always making sure that they have at any given time

jurisdiction, fundamental jurisdiction over a case. If they lose, and you can lose jurisdiction because various things happen. Somebody moves and you lose diversity jurisdiction, or they move into the state, or there's a change in circumstances, or something has occurred that make the matter moot and there's no more jurisdiction.

And here the argument is the change circumstances is that Donald Trump won. He's now the president-elect, and he's doing a transition, sort of. And therefore, he can't be bothered or impeded or impaired with the powers of the president-elect or the powers of the president to deal with what's going on in Georgia. And we know Georgia's been stuck in the mud for the last almost, oh my God, it's almost

a year because of conflicts of interest allegations against Foddy Willis, and then it went up on appeal and all this other stuff. So you have all of that going on. So they're arguing that you've lost the appellate court that's been trying to decide whether Fonny Willis was properly allowed to stay in the case or not because she had a boyfriend for a minute. They used to work for her on the case. And while that, so they're arguing that jurisdiction has been lost by the appellate court, right, and the trial court because of the president, Trump becoming the new president again. And that's their major argument. They may find some support for that by this supreme, this appellate

court, the court of appeals, which is the first level appellate court the Court of Appeals which is the first level appellate court in Georgia then you go to the Georgia Supreme Court because they're they've been sitting on this case for a long time they unilaterally canceled a hearing an oral argument they were gonna have I think was even this it was even this week was supposed to be December 5th they just said no till further notice we're not even doing the oral argument so there so I could see them grabbing this and going oh good thank you you know They just said, no, till further notice, we're not even doing the oral argument. So I could see them grabbing this and going, oh, good, thank you.

Appeal dismissed, not even dealing, let them deal with it at the Georgia Supreme Court level, which leans totally right. What did you make of this six pages? Yeah, it was interesting because again, they brought in the Department of Justice memo again the supremacy which there's I know Lawrence tribe is constitutional scholar really thinks that Neither of those technically or at least the DOJ memo doesn't really apply because we've never been in this situation before but the argument they didn't include which I almost thought would have been the better argument for them is

his rights as a defendant. Like practically a RICO charge against him is going to be a very long trial, months and months and months. I don't think he could properly like assist his case and be in that courtroom and be president at the same time. Like, could you imagine the number of times they would have to pause the trial

because there was some conflict that erupted in the world? So I think they're going to dismiss that case, one, based on the fact that maybe he can't properly execute his duties as president, even though this is weird that they're not starting it while he's president, but after he's become president, but also just as a criminal defendant. Like, I don't see how he could have his constitutional rights and also be president at the same time. So I think we knew when he was elected

at the Georgia case against him was going away. And that's why they only did six pages. I don't think this is a difficult legal argument for him to make. Yeah, just managing expectations. We don't want that to happen. We'd like it to continue. And we like it, you know, to pick up. Well, certainly it doesn't impact directly the 14 other, 13 other

co-defendants that have all been sued just because he got immunity, unique superpower because he won the presidency again. Doesn't mean that necessarily helps everybody else. In fact, when we come back from our commercial break, we'll pick up with Ken Chesbrough, which is one of the architects of the fake elector scheme, along with Peter Navarro. Peter Navarro, as Ron Filipkowski said on Midas Touch, usually you go from the Trump White House to prison, not from prison, back to the White House.

And now Peter Navarro is back. I guess he'll give him a pardon at some point. He's going to be a trade representative for Donald Trump. But Peter Navarro and Ken Jespero and the rest and John Eastman all got together and came up with this fake electors scheme to come up with these phony certificates and fake evidence. And he now is thinking better of the fact that he pled guilty. And so you got that and then you got some new, new weird default judgment against Fonny Willis, of all things that we're going to talk about. And then we'll make our way down to the cabinet. What is going on with the heck? Hexeth's dead. He

is he is that stick a fork in it. He's done. How soon can he be replaced? Is it going to be DeSantis? And then why is it? Why is it gonna be DeSantis? And what in what value is it to both DeSantis and to Donald Trump? If that is the pick we'll talk about that and the other cabinet members and their final decision I guess they finally said hey, we're not doing great on this vetting thing the transition team We better bring the FBI in. I thought the FBI was the enemy I thought the FBI needed to be gutted by Cash Patel. Now it's like, help us, please. We need the FBI to do background checks because they just signed finally the transition agreement we've been waiting on for four weeks

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to filing false documents in federal court with the rest of his counts against him. I think there were about six or seven counts altogether with the rest of them being dismissed. And part of his deal was for him to testify against the other defendants. I think he also got probation, community service and a fine. So now the interesting thing is what happened was Judge McAfee months ago, I almost want to say it's like six months ago at this point, dismissed a few of the charges that came out of that grand jury relating to things

with federal court, like perjury with federal court, filing the documents with federal court, saying that charges related to, let's say, fraud on the federal court need to be adjudicated in the federal court, not the state court. And so he dismissed three charges related to them. One of them was, and happened to be, the charge that Chesboro pled guilty to. So his filing is basically, since the judge has said that this is not a valid charge, I

have a post-conviction right to vacate basically my guilty plea. That's kind of where we're at with him. It does seem like it took a while to make this motion because Judge McAfee dismissed those quite a long time ago, but that's his attempt right now is to basically unwind the guilty plea. You have an interesting way of pronouncing the judge's name. McCaffey? It's McAfee.

Oh my gosh. I mispronounce things all the time. I think I need a disclosure. All right. I do it too. And then Ben or I will correct each other. I just couldn't do it in the chat because I couldn't figure out how to make it pronounced properly.

Thank you. Yeah, yeah. McAfee. McAfee. McAfee McAfee McAfee so yeah so yeah i don't know what took um Chesboro which i also mispronounce regularly cheese bro i originally called him that's a tough one too i don't think it's gonna work i think if the case goes away the case goes away i don't think you get out from under your plea deal because later on the case went away for like somebody like the president or

then you know now president of the United States. So I think he's screwed. I don't you know as we said internally like you should have just waited. I don't know why you took the plea deal. Right. You know this thing kind of got into the mud relatively quickly but he made the plea deal before the Fonny Willis motion to disqualify was against her before McAfee's evidentiary hearing that took her down a peg before all these issues came up. And he just, I don't know, got bad lawyer advice or whatever, but that's him.

But again, we're gonna talk about pardons for a minute coming up. Donald Trump's gonna pardon like 2,000 people. It's gonna be like, and he's not gonna do a memo like Joe Biden did. It's just gonna be two lines from the Constitution, and then see attached exhibit a schedule a or or spreadsheet. It's just gonna be 2008. It's gonna be like all the Jan six defendants, all the maga house, all the MAGA Senate, everybody that was in,

everybody that was in the election or campaign with him, everybody that was in the White House with him. It's gonna be like 2,000 people. Now it doesn't really help Peter Navarro. People that are coming into the cabinet, people that are going out of the cabinet. Right now there's some law clerk for the transition team that's like typing up this list.

It's gonna be one of the first thing he signs. I know the Jan six insurrectionists are getting all upset because he doesn't talk about it anymore. But trust me, he is going to be pardoning everybody. And that's why the Democrats, when they start complaining, oh, why did he do that? Why did Biden pardon his son? Now he's gonna open the floodgates of all the pardons

and we won't be able to say anything. Like, what are you even effing talking about? Are you, are you like, are you, are you guys high? Is that the problem? I mean, I'm so fired up about this. Joe Biden didn't pardon his son. I would think he was insane. Yeah, me too. Right. I don't understand because, um, I don't understand why the argument isn't that after he pardoned Jared Kushner's father, Trump opened up the floodgates to pardoning family members. I don't understand why we so badly lose on the messaging. It's this idea that somehow Biden is doing something first, which isn't the case whatsoever. Jeffrey Toobin, who writes the New Yorker magazine,

who got fired from the New Yorker because he masturbated during a Zoom call during COVID, had the balls to say out loud in his writing that Joe Biden's entire 50 year history of public service, the body of work has been sullied because he pardoned his son. Are you like a wake man? I mean, are you watching Donald Trump weaponize before our very eyes in broad daylight

the Department of Justice and the FBI and says he's going after the Biden crime family? I mean, you weren't there, Tubin, when Trump met with Biden and said, well, I can really commiserate about what happened with the Department of Justice and Hunter Biden, and then went out and attacked Hunter Biden and everybody else.

He had to put his son in a safe space. The sentencing was coming up in Delaware and in California in about a week, and the judge in California is, I'm telling you, I'm sorry, but he is bald-faced crazy. Yeah. I mean, he's been fired up about Hunter Biden for no reason other than he's a Trump-er from day one.

And he was about to throw the book at him. Did you see what the judge wrote? Oh, yeah. He wrote, you know, he didn't have to write anything. Yeah. Hunter Biden filed, I'll turn it to you now. Hunter Biden filed an appropriate notice of pardon. I got part, no sentence game over.

Thank you for playing. We're out. All right. That's, you know, with the memo and the link to the part and the whole thing. No, no, I wasn't good enough for the federal judge. He decided he was going to write his own response and retort and excoriate Joe Biden for pardoning his son. You want to take it from there? Yeah. I mean, first of all, that judge was also against him. Hunter Biden lost pretty

much every pretrial motion. You know, we'll put him in this situation. I'm having to take a guilty plea. So that judge was ruling against him all the time. He was clearly itching to sentence Joe Biden's son. And he was so upset by it. And the fact that he points to the statement and says, it's not justified, guess what? You don't deserve an explanation. Pardons are exclusive purview of the president or the governor. And I actually think Biden gave us more of an explanation than we deserve. And like you said, Trump certainly isn't going to in the future and he hasn't in the past. He pardoned all of his cronies and, you know, Charles Kushner and did not give us an explanation. So that judge trying to parse through the statement and act like somehow he it wasn't enough for him. It's kind of a joke. Sorry, but the president has more power than you

and he was really partisan in how he handled the case from the beginning. I think he was gonna throw the book at Hunter Biden. And so I think Joe Biden pardoning him now to avoid that, putting everybody through that sentencing was the right thing, but he did do it during a slow news time, which we were

talking about, which maybe gave people too much time to talk. But it was, I would have been so upset if he hadn't pardoned his son. I did a video on Midas Touch. I was just, this was a big cause for me because I really felt like at the end of the day, if he didn't pardon Hunter Biden would have been the only one behind jail at the end of this whole thing. Trump is going off scot-free. He's pardoning the January 6 defendants. If Hunter had literally been in jail, I think I would have lost my mind. So I'm glad it happened. Well, I agree.

And more, not less pardons, more pardons. I want Joe Biden to pardon Michael Cohen. I want Joe Biden to pardon all the prosecutors I want Joe Biden to pardon all the prosecutors who are in a case where on the other side of the V was Donald Trump's name. I want him to pardon Jack Smith. Not because he did anything wrong, just because I want him to get out of jail cart

and all their back pockets. Merrick Garland, everybody top, it's easy. Just go through social media posts for Donald Trump and everybody he or Cash Patel or Pam Bondi or Matt Gaetz or anybody else has attacked publicly in the last two years, put their name on a list and give them protection. Make judges to judge Mershon Judge Chuck and Judge Hank Warren, attorney generals. Let's do them as well. I'm tired of the Democrats. And I'm a

Democrat. I'm tired of the Democrats playing by the the marquee to Kingsbury rules. Oh, that's not how we should do it. F that. It's time to have sharp elbows and use everything at our disposal and every superpower that Joe Biden still has to protect our constitutional republicans. The Republicans would do it to us and they're doing it to us. And you know what? I think that when we don't do it after he explicitly tells us he's planning on going after them, it's as if we're not taking him seriously. And if our federal elected people like Biden aren't willing to take Trump seriously, then

voters don't take him seriously, right? So we can't say Trump is this huge threat, but then take no action to protect us from this threat. I know it's like a step beyond what Biden will probably be used to. But when you have the incoming administrations over and over and over being really specific about the names, they even talked about one of the charges they're planning on doing for

Letitia James, like some sort of conspiracy to take away rights. You know, when you're, when they're being, that's, we have to take them seriously. We have to take them at their word and go ahead and take an action to prevent that. Otherwise we are dismissing what Trump says, just like the Republicans do. They like to say, oh, that's just talk. That's not what he really means. Well, he does mean it, and we need to start taking it seriously. And I think Blakeney pardons on the way out or a way to do it. I agree. Strategic use of pardons have to be done. You can't look the devil in the eye and come away the same person. I mean, I use eye and come away the same person. I used an old

Seinfeld joke from one of his routines about you can't ignore the obvious that's in front of you. He used to say, look, I understand the chopstick, but now the Chinese have seen the fork. You got to make adjustments. You know a crazy wild-eyed madman is about to take the reins of power and control and completely decimate the independence of the Department of Justice and the FBI and make an imperial presidency that levitates over the other two branches. So what are you gonna do? Just act like no, I think at the end of the day he'll be fair. Really? Insanity and this is what you know it's the Jeffrey Toobins of the world, the sane washers of the world that helped us lose the election. There's many reasons we lost the election. I just don't think it's irreparable.

I think we can fix it. I don't see it just to make clear as a giant lurch to the red a giant lurch to mag everybody was wearing Everybody wants to wear their MAGA hat. This was about the economy the economy the economy and then it was about you know some social issues and religious issues and and LGBTQ issues but really the economy. People felt better about the economy and about the incoming administration's address. And then it was about process. Let's be frank, even Democrats don't like getting a candidate

shoved down their throat. That wasn't the- It was a weird situation. It was weird. If Joe Biden had done what he told us he was gonna do, which is be a caretaker president for one term, leave, start a process a year early and have an open primary.

And if Kamala Harris won, yeah, great. She'd be battle hardened after a primary process. But if she wasn't the winner, then the best person would have won that primary. And then we would have had a real debate for ideas against Donald Trump instead of what happened, which is even Democrats were like, yeah, I don't like this process. Why is she the candidate? Other than the fact that she's vice president. Anyway, with that, we could debate all night long. But the good news is I think we can fix it in two years

and in four years and get back the voters that are naturally ours. But we'll continue to talk about that. And then we're going to talk about, let's just outline the rest. We've got to talk about the cabinet falling apart in shambles. Wow. You know, and then it went from three weeks ago, Tulsi Gabbard tells the media, oh, we're not going to let FBI do investigations. We don't want to mole knowing what we're doing. The woman that's going to be the national intelligence director,

we don't want to mole knowing what we're doing. We're gonna do our own background checks. Yeah, how'd that go? Not great, not great. And Suzy Wiles must be pulling out whatever's left of her hair as the incoming Chief of Staff if she makes it. Because these exploding cigars

that are blowing up in her face, and Donald Trump's face, they're a lot her problem. And the presidential transition team's problem. But the problem is they're so conflicted financially and Donald Trump's face, they're a lot her problem and the presidential transition team's problem. But the problem is they're so conflicted financially and economically and ethically, the transition team, the one guy got the commerce secretary nod, the other one got the Linda McMahon coming

out of World Wrestling Federation, which has done more to pollute the minds of children than anything I can think of and undermine their values and morals. She's gonna be the head of our nation's children. That's the Department of Education They're so suffused with like with Musk with all their conflicts. They can't get out of their own way So they're not making proper judgment proper decisions about other people's ethical moral criminal conduct Because they're seeing it through right their own screen. That's completely dirty

Getting adult in there. I thought that's what Suzy Wilde's job was but she was supposed to be the one. So then after Hegseth blew up like what do you mean you have the police report from 2017 when the alleged rape happened? Oh I have that. How did you not tell the transition team that you had the report? Why did we have to read it in the paper? And that seemed to be the last straw, right? So we're going to talk about why they're now running to the FBI, the Joe Biden deep state FBI to bail them out. And what is going on with the thought of why DeSantis? Why does everybody now rallying around this DeSantis pick? And then a bad day. There's no other way to put it. I'm not going to sugarcoat it. a bad day at oral argument at the United States Supreme Court for liberal minded people and people who are in the transgender community or LGBTQ plus community or support those that are.

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you want to start with the cabinet why don't you start with the, you want to start with the cabinet, talk about Hegseth, where we're at every day, right? Talk about a thousand paper cuts every day. We get a New York Times report about an email, the New Yorker magazine about a series of women and financial impropriety, trip, trip, trip, trip. And now finally it looks like he may not even make it

by the time his live is over. Why don't you catch everybody else up about Hegseth, DeSantis, and then I'll weigh in after. Yeah, so if anybody hasn't read the New York Times email, they publish the email from his mom, I would say go and read it. It's not an email that you would ever want published by a parent.

Basically, she says that he's an abuser of women. And the reason why, I know there was so much discussion like, oh, the New York Times shouldn't have published it or whatever, but I think that's definitely a journalistic fair game, specifically because of the arrest report, as you said, with the sexual assault allegation that the woman went and had a police report, but they didn't end up prosecuting it.

So the question of him around women was fair game. And then this email is specifically calling him out as an abuser, but that seemed to be maybe kind of okay in MAGO world because they don't seem to actually be that bothered about sexual harassment and assault around women, let's face it, or even children, Matt Gaetz, I'm looking at you. But the thing that seemed to kind of maybe be what will bring him down was his Fox colleagues talking about how he shows up at work hungover frequently. And that seemed to be a step too far.

I don't know if it's because it was actually Fox colleagues and Mago World can only trust people on Fox or the idea of maybe having somebody drunk in charge of our army was just a step too far. But like you said, he seems like he is going down and it will be interesting about I Think that DeSantis choice is interesting and it doesn't make sense that there's some sort of play with Laura Trump because I thought Trump didn't like DeSantis very much now. He's putting in charge of the defense

I didn't realize that they had become friends again. I don't know what you think about that Well, I have the I have I can solve for that equation Okay, let's solve for it So DeSantis is two terms are up as governor. So he's got no place to go I think he was eyeing the Senate seat for himself, which is why he has impacted replacement for Marco Rubio It's been known for the last month that Trump world wants Lara Trump Who's fresh off the the daughter-in-law who's fresh off the daughter-in-law, who's fresh off the Republican National Committee chairmanship, to get that seat.

And on the other side, DeSantis is dying to get back in the good graces of MAGA so that he can be the mantle bearer, He can have the torch passed to him off this one term Trump presidency in 2028. So this is a win, win, win, win, win. He appoints Lara Trump to the open seat as his last gesture before he leaves as governor, goes into the Department of Defense where he's better qualified than

Hegseth. I mean, that's not saying much, but at least the guy was a governor and was in the military and doesn't seem to have the record of sexual abuse, sexual predator behavior, public drunkenness and financial mismanagement as alleged. You were nice to Hegseth. The New Yorker magazine article is that he was publicly drunk when he ran two veteran organizations as well,

to the point where he got up on a strip club stage and started dancing. When he was drunk another time, he started to chant in a bar, kill all the Muslims, kill all the Muslims. And then he also committed financial misdealings where he put both organizations almost into bankruptcy so if you're looking for somebody to run a you know a 850 billion dollar pentagon with three million service people he may not be the guy for you

So you had that then you had what I called the canary leave leave Dean on with me, the canary in the coal mine moment was Tim Parlatori, his lawyer. Two weeks ago, Tim Parlatori was pointing his crooked little finger like Bill Clinton saying, that woman, if that woman about that rape allegation comes forward, tries to testify against my client, we're gonna sue her for having violated that non-disclosure agreement.

She was the sexual predator. I'm like, are you effing kidding me? The New Yorker did an interview. They met the woman and her husband. Her husband was upstairs with the kids when she ended up in bed against her will, her allegations with Hegseth. Okay, so that was two weeks ago. Oh, we're gonna sue you. Okay, two days ago, when the latest New Yorker bombshell came out, and it wasn't just one email, it was this reporter doing her job and contacting dozens and dozens of whistleblowers

at the various organizations and tying it all together. The Penelope Hegseth email was like, that was in the New York Times. That was like the least of it. It was mentioned in one line of a 20 page article. They got Tim Parlett-Dorey, the lawyer for Hexeth. And this time he said, I will read you from a statement of denial

from Mr. Hexeth's advisor. I'm like, look at him head for the exit. He's not vouching for his client anymore. He's not even saying I I I he's saying let me reach you from a third party. I'm like oh this guy's cooked. This guy if his own lawyer is not even defending him anymore he's cooked. Then we read yesterday they're gonna push him out and I mean like for those that aren't watching they're gonna push him out to do a Fox interview. At the same time Megan Kelly says out loud,

tries to defend him, but talk about damning faint praise. She's like, well, I don't think he committed the rape. How does she know that? But I wouldn't marry him with all of his out of wedlock babies. I'm like, this is helping him? How is this helping him? So all of that was like every hour, it was like

another report. And then all Okay, so he's he's cooked. So then the the Santa's is the easiest solution. Because Trump it's for him. It's like playing pool and he's hitting the you know, he's hitting the cue ball and three things end up in you know, three balls end up in different pockets. He gets Lara Trump her Senate seat, he gets to Santas in instead of being outside the tent the Santas needs it because he's gonna lose his job soon as governor he's got nowhere to go and the Santa is dying to run for president now he'll be a

MAGA MAGA because he'll be the defense secretary the loser in all this? Three words, J. D. Vance. That cabinet pick is terrible for J. D. Vance, who wanted that lane, that open lane, all to himself to inherit the mantle of Donald Trump and be the MAGA torchbearer. And now he's got, if this happens, which I'm pretty sure it's going to, it'll be DeSantis breathing down his neck and saying, well, I was the head of the department of defense. I was a governor. I was this, I was that.

And JD Vance is like, I wrote a book. So not good for JD Vance. No, and he's such a bad candidate. They probably realize that. And I'm sure his Thanksgiving post where he's dressed up in an apron with Trump did not help. I don't know if I'm sure Trump is trying to distance himself as much as possible with fans. I just never thought Trump could get over the fact that DeSantis tried to beat him in the primary. I didn't think that Trump had that in him. Also, Susan Walsh evidently was-

Marco Rubio. How about Marco Rubio? Marco Rubio was little Marco. Right. That was like, Trump is transparently about Trump and he wants that seat for Laura Trump and he needed, he needed to offer, he needed the dangle of pork chop in front of DeSantis and had to be pretty big to get it. This is guaranteed. Otherwise, it was by threat. Like, you better make Larry Trump you and he's been holding out waiting for an offer. You can see because we were all like, how can he hasn't nominated anybody or appointed anybody that well, because he's been holding out for himself for trade bait. I thought he was going to take the

Senate seat. If he really wanted to F Donald Trump, the middle finger, he'd say, I'm not doing any of this. I'm going to take the Senate seat and I'm going to run for Trump, the middle finger, he'd say, I'm not doing any of this. I'm going to take the Senate seat and I'm going to run for Senate. You know, which, which governors have run for Senate before, sometimes successfully time, you know, Scott among them. Scott went from Rick Scott went from the governor's mansion in Tallahassee to the Senate seat. And they, you know, uh, there's an open Senate seat, so he could wait for that. So this is a long play for, for DeSantis to be like,

yeah, rather than Senator, let me be Department of Defense and then I have the inside track for president. It's evil genius if this is what eventually happens. But now we can get off of Hegseth because again, congratulations to the Midas Touch audience and to Legal AFers because our trained focus and attention among many other media outlets help bring down Hegseth the way we brought down Gates.

My prediction, half, half of Donald Trump's cabinet is not going to make it. Not going to make it. Before even the confirmation. And what did you think of the, why do you think Donald Trump did finally, finally said uncle and said, all right, we'll have the FBI do the background checks. Why do you think that is?

Is it that he's getting the word from Capitol Hill and the senators that they need that and they're not going to go into recess to help him out? Why do you think all of a sudden? It's interesting because even Senator Thune was like, maybe a third party can do the background checks or whatever. And I think that this is how I think that even though they sign that agreement, they see it as optional. You know, Trump is not felt bound by the law in any way, shape or form.

I think they think it's convenient. They probably don't know of a third party background check person that they want to use at this point. So they're willing maybe to have the FBI as an option. Here's the other thing too, is even if the FBI does a background check, I mean, in reality, is their background check going to be more expansive

than reporters at this point? Probably not. I mean, we saw what happened with Justice Kavanaugh, right? It's a similar idea where they did a background check on him. It's pretty cursory, right? They're gonna find out, you know, basically, yes, they're supposed to submit financials and that kind of stuff of if somebody doesn't, you know,

is the FBI really gonna go after them? The FBI is basically going to be answering to Trump because he's the one asking for the background check. And so he can direct the FBI as to how expansive or limited that is. And we saw that with Kavanaugh when the FBI got 4,500 tips into their FBI line.

And Trump told America that the FBI was going to investigate all the claims, but told the FBI directly not to investigate it. And they can do that because the FBI isn't doing some sort of like independent investigation into a crime. They're basically being hired to gather the information that the president wants. So I think that they signed it more so that they could have

the option to have the FBI look into them, but it's all directed by Trump, which means it's not some thorough FBI investigation that we are going to be surprised about. I think at the most, they'll probably get the same types of things that are already out there in the public. Trump, I don't think is going to push that hard to find out anything that he doesn't want to know about these people. What do you think?

I think they're using the FBI's cover because they've made major mistakes in not having done the background check. They thought wrongly that they could cram this down the Senate's throat. They had the threat of, he loves threats, tariff threats, 100% tariff on countries I never really understood what they're doing, 25% tariff on countries I never really understood what they're doing. 25% tariff on this, you know, and then he's doing all of it now to like set up negotiations for later. So the threat was, I'm gonna take the Senate out in the back and shoot it. And we're gonna have a 10-day recess and I'll point whoever I want.

And then the Senate was like, no, I don't think you're gonna do that. He was like, okay, well, let's go to Plan B. Plan B is, can we shove some of these most outrageously, obscenely unqualified people down your throat? Especially the ones that have sexual predator and sexual misconduct allegations? And the Senate was like, no. Can we do it without background checks? No. So, you know, they're running up and down a Capitol Hill. I don't know if it's Suzy Wiles who doesn't have Capitol Hill experience actually, or

JD Vance who was only in the Senate for about 12 minutes. I don't know who they're using to take the temperature of the Senate and how many and do vote counting. But they obviously don't think they have the votes for Hexeth. They didn't think they had the votes for Gates, even though they have a four seat or so lead in the Senate. If they lose for there's no way to get these people through. And the Senate is telling them, I'm sure we're not going into recess. You're not if you want to go hide people in acting department

acting and non Senate confirmation positions like catch Mattel, for instance. It's like, I always feel like this is like a joke. Like we're being pumped by Donald Trump. He's gotta know that Cash Patel's not gonna survive a Senate confirmation process. He does. I think he's got a plan B behind each of these picks.

Like he didn't just pick DeSantis overnight. Like, you know, just pick DeSantis overnight. Like, you know, when Gates went down, like eight minutes later, it was like, Pan-Bondi, you know, Hegseth went down, DeSantis. It's like he has a second pick behind all of these picks. So this way he can look it back and go, I'm trying guys, I'm giving you all your darlings,

all your sweethearts, but you know, it's the media, it's Joe Biden, it's the FBI, you know, I'm trying, but then he's got that Plan B, because he's picking them so quick. And you don't even hear him like complaining about it, like, oh my god, and my one pick from the president, I get to my picks. He's like, okay, Van Bundy. Yeah, it's, it's, yeah. So I think they said we're gonna flood the zone, right? It's like a fire hose. We're gonna take a fire hose of crazy. We're gonna aim it at the Senate and the American people and the media. And we're gonna fire out as many crazy, crazy picks as we can, hoping it's like in a hockey game. It's like when you just fire pucks at the net,

the goalie's got it and then a couple are gonna get by. He's not gonna make all the saves. So they're like, oh, if we get Tulsi Gabbard in, yeah, we get RFK Junior in. So now we gotta do what we've been doing here on Legal AF, the Midas Touch Network. We gotta train our fire on Tulsi Gabbard, on RFK Junior, on Dr. Oz.

I'm not even ready to give up on the Office of Management and Budget. I'm not ready to give that guy the checkbook for America on entitlements. So come, that's one of the things I love about our audience. They're here for it. We're arming them. We're talking about it over and over and over again. Because if you don't, if you don't take to the streets like what we're watching in Russia and in Seoul, Korea against the fascist dictator, you're never going to get anywhere. If you just meekly go off like Jeep, go, well, that didn't work. You know, and I read that. There's this whole trolling going on of women and Democrats and arguing that they're fatigued and they don't wanna fight anymore

and they're giving up and they're not gonna do the street protests anymore. And that's all trolling just to gaslight you and suppress your public expression because that's exactly what they want to get away with their fascist tendencies. But why don't we turn to, Dina, can you stay? I can say a few more minutes. I mean, I don't know. I didn't hear back.

So I might, uh, give me five minutes and you ditch where you have to. Okay. We got a new show. Dina doll and I put Dina back for me. Dina. There she is. Dina doll. Dina doll and I do a new show on legal AF, the YouTube channel at legal AF MTN, which is called Unprecedented. Now you know why. It's every week we peer into and look under the hood

of what's going on at the United States Supreme Court, inside the court, outside the court, the oral arguments, the decisions, the leaks. We've got new leaks that we'll talk about this coming week on Unprecedented. It's a very leaky United States Supreme Court the decisions, the leaks, got new leaks that we'll talk about this coming week on unprecedented like, it's a very leaky United States Supreme Court about the ethics code. You know, the right wing, none of the right wing want the ethics code to have any teeth at all.

They just want it to be window dressing for their unethical behavior. We'll talk about that. And we'll talk about, we'll touch on it here, a bad day, an oral argument for people that support transgender people and Americans in the Scrumetti case coming out of, which is the name of the attorney general for Tennessee. We'll just tease it here, unfortunately. We had the first transgender lawyer to ever argue with the United States Supreme Court. He's a leading expert on transgender and LGBTQ plus rights. He runs the, he's the co-head of the LGBTQ plus project

as a lawyer for the ACLU. It is, his last name is Strangio. It'll come to me in a minute. So he argued today, he's a parent of a 12 year old about what it's like and what the Tennessee law that would, that bans, bans gender affirming healthcare where an adolescent and their parents get together and say, we want puberty blockers.

I want to be a woman. I want to be a man or a boy or a girl. And the Supreme Court, Roberts, Gorsuch, Alito citing Swedish studies, tore the Solicitor General for Joe Biden a new one today. And you can just tell there are not enough votes to overturn the ban. That means the 23 states that ban gender-affirming health care, even for adults, let alone for children, are going to be sustained by this United States Supreme Court. I'll just leave you one last thing, I'll turn it over to you,

Tina, in the same breath, this was the day that the LPGA golf tournament, the ladies professional golf tournament, passed a rule. They knew Skirmetty was up there. That said that if you did, listen to this, if you did listen to this, if you did not stop your if you're if you didn't stop if you didn't take gender affirming health care before puberty, you're not going to be

considered a woman. So it has to be a boy who takes jet but but 23 states just banned that. So that that boy now girl is not going to be able to be a future woman professional golfer if she didn't take gender affirming healthcare that's now been denied her by the United States Supreme Court with John Roberts saying, well, who is it for us nine people with no science background to make a decision? This should be left to the states and their legislators, meaning there's no constitutional right to protect the autonomy of your body. Of course, we always knew that with the Supreme Court.

What'd you make of it? Yeah, I mean, I think that it was so clear, basically, you know, that the Biden administration was trying to say that this Tennessee law was a violation of the Equal Protection Clause because it was based on sex. Tennessee would allow a boy to have hormones that would take testosterone, let's say. There's a lot of reasons why boys take hormones to enhance, let's say, their maleness, and girls to do the same for their femaleness, let's say.

And that law doesn't address that. It's specifically if you want to take hormones if you're the opposite sex and you want to affirm the gender of not the sex you were born with. So specifically, this was a law that targeted females and males differently, which is a violation of the Equal Protection Clause. It's actually, I don't think even really ambiguous in that way because of the fact that

the Tennessee law was so specific about that it was based on your sex, whether or not you could take these hormone blockers. But of course, this is where we're at in the Supreme Court. They're going to take their own religious views into account and not just constitutional precedent. I also thought it was really interesting that the Solicitor General used the West Virginia law as a model. I was like, wow, this is how little they were even asking for the West Virginia law of require two doctors to kind of sign off about how extreme,

let's say that child was suffering. Cause as we know, a lot of children who are looking for this gender affirming care are, you know, at risk of killing themselves. I mean, that's the truth of the matter. This isn't a decision that the child or their family is taking lightly. affirming care are at risk of killing themselves. I mean, that's the truth of the matter. This isn't a decision that the child or their family is taking lightly.

They're trying to save their life. That's how uncomfortable they feel in the body they were born. And in West Virginia, which you wouldn't, it's not a blue state, folks, allows for these puberty blockers, but okay, they first have to seek out two medical opinions. They first have to make sure that the severity of it, they have some constraints on it.

But here in Tennessee, the law specifically denies it because they want to celebrate the sex that they were born with. And so I just think the fact that the Supreme Court Was willing to stand behind this Tennessee law like you said, we'll discuss it more on Friday, but a clear Abdication I think of what the equal protection clause actually means Yeah, we'll get into it more detail. Yeah, a lot of things talk about it unprecedented. We can do it on Like we're gonna drop it on Friday on legal AF the YouTube channel Dina, thanks for being with us today with Karen Friedman and if below out And there's various ways of course to support this show this network this channel might as touch free subscribe to their channel

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