Legal AF by MeidasTouch - Trump DOJ Shredded in Court by Pissed Off Judge

Episode Date: November 24, 2025

A Federal Judge called DOJ witnesses "word salad testimony" and "zeros" as she decides whether to release Kilmar Abrego Garcia from custody and send him to Costa Rica (or give him amnesty) instead of sending him 3000 miles away to Liberia. Michael Popok dissects the evidentiary hearing before Judge Xinis and why she may release Garcia as a remedy to punish the Trump Administration for abuse of power and prosecutorial misconduct. Dose: Save 30% on your first month of subscription by going to https://dosedaily.co/LEGALAF or entering LEGALAF at checkout. Remember to subscribe to ALL the MeidasTouch Network Podcasts: MeidasTouch: ⁠https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/meidastouch-podcast⁠ Legal AF: ⁠https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/legal-af⁠ MissTrial: ⁠https://meidasnews.com/tag/miss-trial⁠ The PoliticsGirl Podcast: ⁠https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/the-politicsgirl-podcast⁠ Cult Conversations: The Influence Continuum with Dr. Steve Hassan: ⁠https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/the-influence-continuum-with-dr-steven-hassan⁠ Mea Culpa with Michael Cohen: ⁠https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/mea-culpa-with-michael-cohen⁠ The Weekend Show: ⁠https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/the-weekend-show⁠ Burn the Boats: ⁠https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/burn-the-boats⁠ Majority 54: ⁠https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/majority-54⁠ Political Beatdown: ⁠https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/political-beatdown⁠ On Democracy with FP Wellman: ⁠https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/on-democracy-with-fpwellman⁠ Uncovered: ⁠https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/maga-uncovered⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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We'd love to talk, business. Kilmer Abregal Garcia, the poster child for Donald Trump's torture campaign without due process against migrants and those that had an order to remain in the United States is one step closer to being released from iced detention in Virginia and or being granted asylum or at least being sent to the country of his choice, Costa Rica, because of testimony in an evidentiary hearing before Judge Zittis in Maryland. She wasn't pleased with any aspect of the Department of Justice testimony. She didn't believe any of the witnesses.

She said out loud, they're effectively, they are worth zero to her, and she's focused on the fact that there appears to be no final order entered by an immigration judge six years ago, a final order of removal. And if there's no final order of removal, then the administrative process has not been exhausted, and he's not going anywhere. I've always said, I thought, Judge Zinnis, in order to penalize the Department of Justice for prosecutorial abuse, for sending him to the torture prisons of El Salvador, for then tormenting and torturing his family and Americans by trolling them with, he'll never be brought back and having the president of El Salvador say he'll never bring him back, and only after the Supreme Court 9-0 in the middle of the night ordered him to be returned, and only after they trumped up a phony criminal case against him in Tennessee. that they finally return him, and he's still in ICE custody. I've always said that the remedy for that due process violation, which is being handled by Judge Zinnis, is to grant him asylum and let him live with his American wife and his American children in Maryland,

where he was for the last six or eight years, you know, under an order of non-removal to El Salvador. If there's no or final order, he's not going anywhere. But I think it should go one step further. I think Judge Zinnis should grant him under her equitable power, the asylum for the abuse that was heaped on him by the Trump administration. I'll talk about this particular hearing that happened in evidentiary hearing that happened and what I think the results are going to be here on the Midas Touch Network and on legal

AF on Michael Popock. All right. Abrago Garcia has been sitting in a Virginia ICE detention center for a couple of months. He's the subject of a criminal case in Tennessee that was fabricated, I believe, by the Trump administration. That's going to go to trial maybe sometime in. the first quarter of 2026, but there's a judge there, Judge Crenshaw, that's deciding whether that case should be dismissed for vindictive prosecution.

And we also, the parallel case in front of Judge Zinnis is a case brought by Abrago Garcia against Christi Nome and the Department of Justice and the Trump administration for civil rights and due process violations. That's what she's responsible for. Now, he has been sitting in a Virginia ICE detention center while this judge makes her final decision. He wanted, and he said he's willing to go to Costa Rica,

Spanish-speaking country, just off the coast of the United States, where his family can visit him or maybe even relocate, but because he refused to plead guilty to human trafficking charges in Tennessee, they refused to give him Costa Rica, the Department of Justice and Homeland Security, and instead,

they made arrangements to send him 3,000 miles away to Liberia, an African country. And the judge is not happy about that. And so she had everybody in. First of all, she said the prime witness, there were three of them for the government. In this case, the head of the ice removal and detention, who came before him, John Cantu, who filed a sworn statement under oath. She said his testimony was effectively zero in her mind, that he'd never read the sworn declaration in writing

that was filed in her courtroom, that he didn't have any personal knowledge of the discussions between the State Department and Liberia, that he didn't have any personal knowledge of the decision-making between the State Department and Costa Rica. He doesn't know why Costa Rica is no longer on the table. He doesn't know why the State Department and the Trump administration pulled Coast

Rica away from Abraigo Garcia and his family. We know why. The judge knows why. It's because he refused to plead guilty to fabricated charges of human trafficking, and they're trying to punish him and make an example. The best that Drew Ensign, the lawyer for the Department of Justice, could say, is that he believes Christyneau made a decision that it's a preference. It's a preferential reason that the Trump administration wants to send him to Africa. That's not good enough for Judge Zinnis. She said the whole thing doesn't make any sense. The whole timeline doesn't make any sense.

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removal in his back pocket. That's why every court, including the United States Supreme Court, that's looked at it, said he was illegally sent without due process to the tortured prisons of El Salvador, where upon arrival, he was tortured along with 200 other people. She said, no final order. So the administrative process is still ongoing. And even the government had to concede that there's no final order. And so the defense lawyers jumped up and down and said, no final order. how can you remove him? So if there's no final order

of removal, see, he had an order of removal against him and also one that said he couldn't be removed to El Salvador but it wasn't apparently in final because the administrative law judge back then either made a procedural error or just forgot or closed

the file, close the door, but that's to Abrago Garcia's advantage. And in fact, the judge is also concerned with the retaliatory nature of him being shipped to Liberia. She said, or as the attorneys for Abrago Garcia said, the timeline suggests the pattern. When the government received orders it disliked in a Brigo Garcia's civil case, challenging

his unlawful removal to El Salvador, it initiated a criminal prosecution and retaliation. And when it received orders, it disliked in Abrago Garcia's criminal case, it initiated third country removal efforts in retaliation. The judge said out loud in the hearing, it is so odd to me, she said. It's so odd. And that's being polite, Judge Zinnis said, citing the, quote, empty word salad declaration she got from this guy Cantu, who's the head of removal operations for ICE, about the Trump administration's lack of willingness to let Abrago Garcia go to Costa Rica. the lawyers for Abrago Garcia reminded the judge that there's no evidence that Costa Rica is unwilling to take the client.

And then there's another problem because Liberia has said in its own press release that they're willing for humanitarian purposes to take Obrigo Garcia temporarily. And the lawyers said, what does that mean? What does the temporary mean? A day, a week, a month, a year, two years, and then what happens?

So then they release him. the Trump administration or the next administration sends him to another torture chamber? But again, I think the backdrop to all of this is that Judge Zinnis should, as part of her equitable powers, and to punish the Trump administration for an abuse of power and prosecutorial misconduct and retaliation should grant him asylum. Just grant him asylum. Let him walk out the front door and reunite with his family. that's what should happen. And I don't see that as a violation of the Immigration Act or any other immigration law.

She can cross over as a federal judge and fashion a remedy. And if the government doesn't like it, they can go take their appeal to the Fourth Circuit and then to the United States Supreme Court. Let's get to the United States Supreme Court where this case is obviously headed with the record that's been developed by Judge Zinnis. And let me remind the Trumpers out there, Judge Zinnis has been right every time. She got upheld twice by the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals for her decision-making around getting Abrago-Garcia back to the United States and her orders around that.

Two different Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals rulings. And she was affirmed 9-0 by the United States Supreme Court already in this case. So my odds and my bet is with Judge Zinnis. not with the Department of Justice, who in her mind presented word-salid witnesses with zero credibility or knowledge and were a big zilch for her in terms of trying to decide this case. And the burden is on them, ultimately. You know, it's not the burden on the defense at this point. I think the burden is shifted already to the government to prove, by at least the preponderance

of the evidence, that their decision-making around setting him to Liberia instead of Costa Rica, where he's already declared he's willing to go is legitimate and in good faith. I think the judge should do one better. She should say, you don't have to go to Costa Rica either. I'm granting you asylum. Bang the gavel and walk out and let the appeals fly. We'll continue to follow it right here on the Midas Touch Network

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