Legal AF by MeidasTouch - Trump Fumes as Prosecutor Abruptly Quits and Derails Investigation

Episode Date: September 15, 2026

Trump’s “Grand Conspiracy” criminal investigation against his political targets, like President Obama and his former CIA director, using Judge Aileen Cannon’s grand jury to do it, just came crashing down, as his top prosecutor, Joe DiGenova, just quit him (for the second time). Popok ties it all together on his latest hot take. Hims: Visit https://hims.com/legalaf to get a personalized, affordable plan that gets you. Remember to subscribe to ALL the MeidasTouch Network Podcasts: MeidasTouch: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/meidastouch-podcast Legal AF: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/legal-af Sidebar with Katie Phang: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sidebar-with-katie-phang/id1886801652 The Parnas Perspective: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-parnas-perspective/id1869165949 The Intersection with Michael Popok: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-intersection-with-michael-popok/id1818863274 MissTrial: https://meidasnews.com/tag/miss-trial The PoliticsGirl Podcast: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/the-politicsgirl-podcast The Ken Harbaugh Show: https://meidasnews.com/tag/the-ken-harbaugh-show The Weekend Show: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/the-weekend-show Burn the Boats: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/burn-the-boats Majority 54: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/majority-54 On Democracy with FP Wellman: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/on-democracy-with-fpwellman Uncovered: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/maga-uncovered Five Minute News: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/five-minute-news/id1471715443 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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for almost six months to eight months going after political critics of Donald Trump. Let's try to indict John O'Brien, the CIA director, or Barack Obama himself. Let's do it in front of Judge Alien Canada, a one-judge town in Fort Pierce, Florida. Why don't we? Why don't we use Joe DeGeneva? Joe DeGeneva was a lawyer who was hand-picked by Todd Blanche and Pam Bondi to run the grand conspiracy investigation. He's 81 years old. He used to be a U.S. attorney in the District of Columbia back in the Reagan era, and he's been a fierce critic of everybody on the left. In fact,

he's about as far away from an independent-minded prosecutor as possible, spending the latter part of his career going on Fox News and Newsmax and Lara Trump show going after the left. And now he's quit, and this is the second time that Joe DeGenernernerner. has quit on Donald Trump. He was originally in the first Trump administration, hired along with Rudy Giuliani, to join the team. It ended up being referred to as team crazy in order to try to get Donald Trump back into power after he lost the 2020 election. At some point, either Joe DeGeneva thought Rudy Giuliani was too crazy or vice versa, but Joe DeGeneva quit and was no longer on the team to try to run any of those 70 lawsuits,

alleging voter fraud in which Donald Trump won, not one of them. So DeJemma quits early on in the Trump era. They then resurface him. He gets picked, I think, through the anti-weaponization committee and Ed Martin and Pam Bondi and Todd Blanche to go run up to Fort Pierce, Florida, and run a grand conspiracy investigation and a potential indictment out of a grand jury.

But we're like six, eight months into that grand jury. And we've heard dozens of people have testified or been subpoenaed, and yet no indictment. Now, there's a lot of problems with the grand jury approach to this grand conspiracy. One of them being, it's the wrong location. We know why they picked Aileen Cannon. She's, you know, running for the United States Supreme Court.

She's one of Donald Trump's favorite judges. She bailed him out of Mara Lov. She's the only judge in Fort Pierce, so she presides over that grand jury. I get that part. But what's the connection between Florida and the alleged crimes? There has to be, under the Supreme Court precedent, there has to be a connection between Florida and those crimes. What is it?

Donald Brennan didn't live there. Barack Obama didn't live there. The crimes alleged and weren't committed there. How do you get any of those people in this grand conspiracy approach? Maybe that's what Joe did. Genova thought. Now, Joe DeGeneva was obviously picked because he's a partisan hack to go after these political critics of Donald Trump. Here's a clip of Joe DeGeneva going after somebody like John O'Brennan, who he was later prosecuting. Play the clip of Joe DeGeneva.

Joe, what does the impressive scope of this new probe initiated by Barr tell us tonight? James Comey, Brennan, and Clapper have said to themselves, which one of us is going to pay the bar bill? The bar bill is coming due. And Durham's appointment means that the already occurred meetings between the Attorney General, the CIA director, and the Director of National Intelligence have now focused on a laser that the core of this conspiracy began with John Brennan, and ends with John Brennan in London and D.C. and the Democratic National Committee.

This is very serious business. Right. And so Todd Blanche at a press conference after he picked Joe DeGeneva was asked, what does that say about his independence? How could he possibly ethically cross over and be the prosecutor when he's got such strong opinions about John O. Brennan?

And here's Todd Blanche's response. And then I also wanted to ask a follow up on Joe DeGeneva. You know, looking back at, He's been very vocal over the years about his thoughts about the 2016 investigation, about the intelligence assessment. One quote that he said in an article in 2020 was, there's no doubt John Brennan was the primogenitor of this entire counterintelligence investigation. It was John Brennan who went to James Comey and basically pummeled him

into starting a counterintelligence investigation against Trump. Brennan's at the heart of this. Given those prior statements, isn't there possibly a conflict of interest or at the very least a perceived conflict of interest having him oversee this investigation and has he been vetted for conflicts prior to being hired at the Justice Department? I don't know I'm not sure what the conflict of interest would be because somebody has said something in the past about about a particular matter that doesn't create a conflict necessarily that's not what the conflict you know conflicts are designed to for just that and I think

It creates a sense of bias, doesn't it? That he's coming into the investigation with preconceived views about a target of your investigation. Isn't that a problem? I mean, I just completely disagree with the premise. I mean, look, if you look at what happened during the president's investigations, there were prosecutors that were actively involved in the 2016 information with Barr and what AG Barr was doing, they readily joined the case, and one of them was actually stood up in court. So I don't think it's unusual and it's not something that, sir, he has to make sure that he's doing everything ethically. I'm sure that he would. He has to make sure that everything he's doing is not in conflict with whatever rules, the rules that we have in this building. But the mere fact that he has spoken about, about his perception, he didn't have access to grand jury information. He didn't have access to witnesses. And so like any prosecutor, I expect that he will follow the facts. And, and, you know,

and those facts come from witnesses and grand jury information. All right. Thanks a lot, guys. I appreciate it. Exactly. So did it shock me that Joe DeGeneva is out now? No, but it just shows you the crumbling of the Department of Justice. This grand conspiracy prosecution should never have been started, and investigation should never have been started. Under the Department of Justice Emanuel,

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I mean, you've got Janine Piro, the U.S. attorney in Washington, D.C., who has famously tried to get indictments against people like Donald Trump's critics in the House and the Senate, tried to indict members of the House in the Senate, and the grand jury in D.C. said no, and she had to eventually admit that she was going to dismiss all of that. He's not happy with her on the reflecting pool, where she's dismissed the indictment against Davy Hearn. There's been talk that she's on the chopping block to be fired.

At the same time, Ed Martin, who had run the anti-weaponization committee, he quit in the last couple of weeks. He resigned. And now you've got Joe DeGener. of a running as fast away from the wreckage of the Department of Justice as possible. So we're going to continue to follow it all. Here's what I think is going to happen next. Blanche is going to be forced to appoint somebody else.

And I'm not sure who that somebody else is, but certainly there's somebody in the MAGO world who will try to satisfy Donald Trump's desire to use this Florida grand jury to try to seek these indictments. But look, we're two years into this administration. Donald Trump went after Senator Adam Schiff in California almost immediately for alleged mortgage fraud. Not one indictment. He went after Letitia James, New York Attorney General, twice.

And she hasn't been successfully indicted. He went after James Comey, former FBI director. His first indictment was dismissed. His second indictment because he posted an adoring social media post about seashells on the beach that they say was a threat against the president, that's about to get dismissed. So things have not been going well when Donald Trump has his Department of Justice go after his political enemies. And maybe seeing the writing on the wall, this 81-year-old Joe DeGeneva said, you know what, I don't need this. I'm going to go back to my private practice.

And I think it's also a reflection that even he doesn't believe that there is a grand conspiracy. So we're going to continue to follow it as the shoes drop in the Department of Justice, not letting them off the hook here on Midas Touch and on Legal AF. Take a minute, by the way, and come over to the YouTube channel for Legal AF. We are 1,230,000 strong. Our birthday, our actual birthday is in six days. Two years on planet Earth, 800 million views, 1.23 million subscribers strong. join us today and help us continue to fight for democracy as we head into the midterms and beyond.

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