Legal AF by MeidasTouch - Trump LOSES IT after Devastating Appeals Hearing

Episode Date: January 9, 2024

MeidasTouch host Ben Meiselas reports on Donald Trump’s response to the oral argument before the DC Circuit Court of Appeals where the judges were chewed into Trump and his lawyer’s argument of absolute presidential immunity. Upgrade your sleep with Miracle Made! Go to https://TryMiracle.com/LEGALAF and use the code LEGALAF to claim your FREE 3 PIECE TOWEL SET and SAVE over 40% OFF. Visit https://meidastouch.com for more! Remember to subscribe to ALL the MeidasTouch Network Podcasts: MeidasTouch: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/meidastouch-podcast Legal AF: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/legal-af The PoliticsGirl Podcast: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/the-politicsgirl-podcast The Influence Continuum: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/the-influence-continuum-with-dr-steven-hassan Mea Culpa with Michael Cohen: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/mea-culpa-with-michael-cohen The Weekend Show: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/the-weekend-show Burn the Boats: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/burn-the-boats Majority 54: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/majority-54 Political Beatdown: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/political-beatdown Lights On with Jessica Denson: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/lights-on-with-jessica-denson On Democracy with FP Wellman: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/on-democracy-with-fpwellman Uncovered: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/maga-uncovered Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Eventually we went. A president has to have immunity and the other thing is I did nothing wrong. We did nothing wrong. After a disastrous day before the DC Circuit Court of Appeals on Trump's appeal on the issue of absolute presidential immunity where Trump's lawyers got absolutely grilled on Trump's assertion to some form of king like authoritarian style immunity from engaging in any type of crime just by calling it an official act Donald Trump and his lawyers held a Winnie press conference where you hear Donald Trump's talking about how he should have absolute presidential immunity You'll see Donald Trump kind of swaying back and forth like a petulant little child as one of his lawyers, not the lawyer who actually argued before the DC Circuit Court of Appeals, but the lawyer who did not initially submit his paperwork to even be licensed to practice before the court initially, John Loro. Watch John Loro do the only thing that MAGA knows how to do.

Projection, confession, and also they undermine their entire claim on appeal when they attack President Biden here. Watch what they do. Play this clip. The special counsel wants, if we adopt what President Biden wants, then we open the Pandora's box to political prosecution after political prosecution after political prosecution. In fact, Joe Biden could be prosecuted for trying to stop this man from becoming the next president of the United States. We don't need political prosecutions, we need political

process. So in addition to just being completely idiotic and just a meritless argument, so Donald Trump's lawyers are saying that President Biden should be charged with with what, but so you're saying absolute presidential immunity doesn't exist at all. And by the way, this is the article from salon right here embarrassing DC court flags, Trump's lawyers filing because he is not a member of the bar. This was a letter sent on October 18, 2023 to John Loro. And John Loro's law firm letting them know that he had not registered to even become a lawyer before that specific court. You have to be registered before a district court of appeals to argue there. And

at that point in time, he was not. By the way, here is Donald Trump when he was asked a very simple question about whether or not he would agree to not incite violence and tell his supporters no violence this time around. Donald Trump doesn't answer the question. Play this clip. Thank you very much. Mr. President, you just used the word bedlam. Will you tell your supporters now no matter what, no violence?

And this is what Donald Trump was saying when he finally had the opportunity to speak. I'll play this clip and then let's break it down and then let me share with you some of the things that went down before the DC Circuit Court of Appeals play this clip. Numbers came out today that are really very mind-boggling if you happen to be Joe Biden and I think they feel this is the way they're going to try and win and that's not the way it goes that'll be better than the country it's a very bad thing it's a very bad precedent as we said it's the opening of a Pandora's box and it's a very it's a very sad thing that's happened with this whole

situation when they talk about threat to democracy that's a very, that's a very sad thing that's happened with this whole situation. When they talk about threat to democracy, that's your real threat to democracy. And I feel that as a president, you have to have immunity, very simple. And if you don't, as an example of this case, who are lost in immunity, and I did nothing wrong, absolutely nothing wrong, I'm working for the country and I worked on very hard on voter fraud because we have to have free elections, we have to have strong voters, we have to have free elections, those two things, almost above all. And we found tremendous voter fraud, we have a list of it, we have some findings if you want it,

the press doesn't like reporting it, but we found tremendous voter for a determinative voter for it. But we worked on that, that's what I was doing. And they were talking about after, well nothing has to do with after I left, it was during the time. And that was what they really focused on today during the appeal. And they can see that, and everybody can see it's that and if it's

during the time we have absolute immunity. So Donald Trump's argument right there, I shouldn't say argument, what is spewing out of that man's treasonous and traitorous lips is probably a better way to describe what he's doing right there is saying it's going to open the Pandora's box. Okay. He says that he was working for the country to find voter fraud and that he found, he says, Determinative voter fraud. Okay, well, let's just go and reverse order there. You say that you found Determinative voter fraud and that you were working for the country in your role as the president of the United States at that time.

Okay, well, where was the determinative fraud shown? Were you hiding it? Was it such a super secret that when you went before the 60 plus federal courts and state courts and lost in each and every single one of those courts and many of your lawyers got sanctioned for either fabricating evidence or not providing any evidence at all. Were you just hiding it? Was that part of the master plan that you and Rudy Giuliani were coming up with that

you're just never going to show anyone? And by the way, you know what he's talking about here when he's even referring to, you know how in court cases, people cite precedent or they cite other cases or they cite data or they cite evidence. Well, in Donald Trump's mega world, they cite themselves. So in Donald Trump's reply brief to this DC circuit court of appeals. Donald Trump cites as evidence his social media posts and an unnamed compendium that he prepared. Meanwhile, not only did all of the courts reject Donald Trump's allegations, baseless,

meritless, frivolous allegations that there was fraud capable of overturning the election. The two consulting firms that Donald Trump's campaign hired and paid about a million dollars each to conduct the investigation on their behalf also found there was no fraud capable of overturning the results of the election. But Donald Trump doesn't want to share any of this with the courts and public leads.

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The executive branch doesn't have any role to play in this. And especially when you are dealing with interfering with the free and fair elections that are being handled in state, when you are interfering with the results like fair elections that are being handled in state. When you are interfering with the results like Donald Trump is saying that, find me the votes and coming up with the fake electors scheme and putting forth fraudulent declarations with the by state electors. I mean, all of those things add another layer that that is not what a United States president does. But special counsel Jack Smith's team responded to something horrific that Donald Trump's

lawyers argued before the DC Circuit Court of Appeals. So Trump's lawyers argued to the DC Circuit Court of Appeals on Tuesday when asked by Judge Pan, so under your view of absolute presidential immunity, what you were telling us that we should allow here is that a president who orders Navy SEAL Team 6 to kill an opponent because an official act would be an order, a directive, right, from president to seal team six. That's a commander in chief giving orders. Because you believe that's an official act, a president can order that his political rival, be murdered, be assassinated, and there would be absolute presidential immunity for that unless there was an impeachment

and a conviction by the Senate, then only then under your view, Trump, what you're arguing here only then could there be criminal charges that are brought? Is that what you are saying? Watch this portion of the oral argument where judge pan, one of the three judges on the DC Circuit Court of Appeals panel, Grills Donald Trump's lawyer, John Sorrow, Sorrow, on this point here. Play this clip. Order a seal team six to assassinate a political rival. That's an official act in order to seal team six.

He would have to be and would speedily be, you know, impeached and convicted before the criminal prosecution. But if you weren't, it would be no criminal prosecution, no criminal liability for that. Chief Justice is opinional member against Macpison and our Constitution and the plain language of the impeachment judgment clause all clearly re-supposed that what the founders were concerned about

was not okay. I ask you, but yes or no question, could a president who ordered seal team sets to assassinate a political rival who was not impeached? Could he be subject to criminal prosecution? If he were impeached and convicted first. So your answer is, is, is, is, is,

My answer is qualified. Yes, there's a political process that we have to occur under our structure or constitution, which will require impeachment and conviction by the Senate in these exceptional cases. As the OLC memo itself points out from the Department of Justice, you'd expect a PD impeachment and conviction. But what the founders are much more worried about

than using criminal prosecution to discipline presidents was what James Madison calls in Federalist number 47 and the newfangled and artificial treason. They were much more concerned about the abuse of the criminal process for political purposes to disable the presidency from factions and political opponents. And of course, that's exactly what we see in this case. Judge Pan grilling John Sauer on that as well. Okay, so in response to that, here's what special counsel Jack Smith's team had to say. This is from

this is from James Pierce, the lawyer for special counsel Jack Smith's team, addressing counsel, Jack Smith's team addressing Trump's lawyers argument that absolute immunity would allow for a president to order the assassination of a political rival. And if then the president just resigned and wasn't convicted by the Senate, there could never ever be any charges brought because they're absolutely immune. You would call that an official act because presidents give orders to presidents give orders to the Navy. You know, they give orders to the military. So therefore, nothing we can do about it. Watch what Jack Smith's team says here. Play this clip. Based on questions of separation of powers, of constitutional text, history, precedent,

is there, in fact, immunity for a former president? We think the answer to that is no, for, of course, all of the reasons we put in a brief, and I'm happy to sort of address here. Candidly, I think if the court gets to that second question, there are some hard questions about the nature of official acts. And frankly, as I think Judge Pan's hypothetical describe, I mean, what kind of world are we living in if, as I understood my friend on the other side to say here,

a president orders his seal team to assassinate a political rival and resigns, for example, before an impeachment, not a criminal act. President Cells, a pardon, resigns, or is not impeached, not a crime. I think that is extraordinarily frightening future, and that is the kind of, we're talking about, a balancing and a weighing of the interest. I think that should weigh extraordinarily heavily in the court's consideration. So when Donald Trump, in those clips, is saying that that's the type of immunity he wants.

When you pair that with the fact that Donald Trump in other briefing, 14th amendment, section three briefing on other cases on disqualification claims, he's never took an oath to support the United States Constitution. That's what Donald Trump's argued before the United States Supreme Court and the Colorado Supreme Court never took an oath to support the Constitution. He has a lawyer who is advocating for assassinations of political rivals. You heard that there. Trump refuses to sign the Illinois loyalty oath that says that he won't seek to overthrow the government. Won't answer the questions there about whether or not he'll condemn violence.

Of course, he won't condemn violence. It's Donald Trump. All he knows is lies and violence, not his own violence. He's too weak to do it. He'll try to get other people to do it. He'll try to get his mega crew to do it. So folks, that's what happened after the DC Sir Court of Appeals argument. Share this video though. I just want I want people to hear what's being said in the courtroom.

That's so important. Not give you this, I mean, not give you this bit. I'll give you my opinion on what I think. I mean, I think it's absurd to say that president should order political assassinations and be absolutely mean. That's my opinion, but I want you to hear what's being said in the courtroom. And now you heard it. So you make up your decision. Tell me what you think in the comments below. I want to hear from you. Let me know what you think.

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