Legal AF by MeidasTouch - Trump Sabotaged by Musk in Court as They Screw Each Other

Episode Date: June 6, 2025

Musk has overnight become the ultimate insider “whistleblower” against Trump and all of his policies, even if it means crapping on his own actions. Nothing says out of control rogue x employee like calling your former boss effectively a pedophile. Michael Popok takes a hard look at what a rogue Musk means as a witness against the Trump Administration in more than a dozen pending cases against DOGE and Musk. Upgrade your sleep with Miracle Made! Go to https://TryMiracle.com/LEGALAF and use the code LEGALAF to claim your FREE 3 PIECE TOWEL SET and SAVE over 40% OFF. Remember to subscribe to ALL the MeidasTouch Network Podcasts: MeidasTouch: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/meidastouch-podcast Legal AF: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/legal-af MissTrial: https://meidasnews.com/tag/miss-trial The PoliticsGirl Podcast: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/the-politicsgirl-podcast The Influence Continuum: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/the-influence-continuum-with-dr-steven-hassan Mea Culpa with Michael Cohen: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/mea-culpa-with-michael-cohen The Weekend Show: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/the-weekend-show Burn the Boats: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/burn-the-boats Majority 54: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/majority-54 Political Beatdown: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/political-beatdown On Democracy with FP Wellman: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/on-democracy-with-fpwellman Uncovered: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/maga-uncovered Coalition of the Sane: https://meidasnews.com/tag/coalition-of-the-sane Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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politics angle, from a litigation angle, the more than a dozen lawsuits that are out there, and what Elon Musk jumping off sides and firing Donald Trump means in the courtroom. Because just because you've had a little bit of a spat in public, in which one guy says you're not grateful enough for having bought you the presidency, and the guy that's the president saying that you're an ingrate that can't be trusted, and now you've got cancellation of contracts being threatened, and Elon Musk went there, went there on the Epstein, the Jeffrey Epstein files, go see the Midas Touch video that's up related to that. That doesn't change the fact that Elon

Musk is a defendant in several cases, almost a dozen of them. And if he's not a defendant, Doge is, and his testimony will be critical to any attempt by Donald Trump to win. critical to any attempt by Donald Trump to win. Let's just talk about what a rogue witness, a rogue party, the impact it has on a case and what it will do to buoy the fortunes in the dozen cases. There is a major case, for instance, in front of Judge Chutkin,

in which more than a dozen attorneys general led by Letitia James of New Chutkin, in which more than a dozen attorneys general led by Letitia James of New York have sued claiming that Donald Trump violated the appointments clause by improperly and not appointing Elon Musk the right way to a major position that should have been appointed and confirmed by the Senate if they're right. And Judge Chutkin has refused to dismiss that lawsuit and has refused to dismiss Elon Musk from that lawsuit, although she did kick Donald Trump to the curb personally,

if they're right, everything that Elon Musk did, everything that Donald Trump did through Elon Musk, all of those departments that were put in the woodchipper, all of the defunding of our public agencies, all of the defunding of humanitarian aid, all of the defunding of our public agencies, all of the defunding of humanitarian aid, all of the elimination of entire agencies and departments that are connected to the American people, all is found to be ab initio, void, illegal, has to be undone and unwound, the toothpaste shoved back into the tube.

Now just think for a moment, and I'm gonna do it from a trial lawyer perspective Now just think for a moment, and I'm gonna do it from a trial lawyer perspective. Just think for a moment what a Elon Musk no longer under the greasy thumb of Donald Trump or vice versa means for these cases. Does anybody now think that the guy that just went there in a social media post and accused Donald Trump effectively of being a pedophile

along with Jeffrey Epstein is going to hold back when he is deposed and favor Donald Trump's side? How are you going to prepare that witness? I've prepared hundreds of witnesses for depositions, some of them quite difficult, to get them ready for their deposition. You're not going to be able to prepare Elon Musk with an inch of his life for his deposition, for his sworn statement. He probably won't even meet with Donald Trump's lawyers at the Department of Justice to be prepared for such a thing. This is a guy who not only went there calling effectively Donald Trump a pedophile, I mean just putting up a picture of Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein sort of does the trick. Now he's also claimed to have bought a president. He said I basically bought you the presidency

and the results against Kamala Harris. All right, he said that out loud. And has anybody shocked? Three days ago, he called the big, beautiful budget bill an abomination that should be completely stricken, that's gonna raise prices on the American people. He's suddenly back to the hymnal of the Democratic Party. Can't we adopt them?

In the draft, can't we adopt them in the draft? Can't we now take Elon Musk? He seems to be a free agent and available. But the impact on the cases cannot be understated. If Elon Musk is going to now return to being Elon Musk who will say and do anything out loud in his own personal interests and doesn't care about the results, if that is true,

then Donald Trump is gonna lose a fair share of the 12 major cases against him, which is gonna undo everything that they just did. I mean, it's hard to believe Elon Musk was only in the government for 120 days. Talk about maximum destruction. But if the cases are successful to show that the privacy rights have been violated

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And now you've got Elon Musk. It's a white knuckle moment for the Trump administration because they got to think what, what is going on with Elon? They asked Donald Trump during a press conference with the chancellor of Germany, what's going on with you and Musk? Well, we used to be friends, but I don't think so anymore, right?

Right? And if Elon Musk is now on the outside, you know, there's an old, slightly disgusting phrase about peeing at a tent. You know, you'd want, you want Elon Musk inside your tent peeing out, not outside the tent peeing in. And right now we're in a peeing in moment, ladies and gentlemen. And the plaintiffs' lawyers, the attorneys general, the public interest groups, the ACLU, Democracy Forward and the rest have got, because I would be, have got to be chomping at the bit. This is payday and pay dirt.

So here's what I do. I schedule Elon Musk for deposition. You're then going to watch the Trump administration scramble to try to cover it with executive privilege. There's going to be a fight over privilege. Elon Musk is not at the current rate not going to help with that fight. I want to talk. I don't want to be gagged. I'll post it on social media. You see where this is going. This is going to be manna from heaven for plaintiffs' lawyers in the cases against the Trump administration.

This is why when you have a ex-employee, and I've done enough corporate litigation work to know that which I speak, when you have an ex-employee who's got a major ax to grind, you want to try to find ways to bring them back in and tether them to your side. Sometimes that's done, if it's your corporation, with more money.

Yeah, it looks like a bribe and it smells like a bribe. You can't do it at the time they're noticed for deposition, but you can find ways to hold them to a non-compete, to hold them to a non-disclosure agreement, to hold them to a confidentiality agreement. Musk doesn't have any of those things. There's no contract he signed with Donald Trump that's worth the paper that it's written on.

He is the ultimate free agent. And that is every trial lawyer's wet dream. The ex-insider who's now effectively become a whistleblower. Elon Musk, the whistleblower against his own actions. You cannot make this up. I'm going to continue to follow it. It's that good. It's that good.

Every day, every way that Elon Musk posts something on social media that accounts for me to be a whistleblowing activity, you're going to see me talking about it and fitting it into the jigsaw puzzle of all these other cases. Where do I do that? Two places, Midas Touch, subscribe here.

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