Legal AF by MeidasTouch - Trump Stunned as Right-Wing Judge Turns Against Him

Episode Date: April 19, 2025

The earth moved this week, with Trump losing the support of one of the lions of the Federalist, Republican and Conservative movements, Judge Harvie Wilkinson, who warns America in a scathing rebuke of Trump from his perch on the 4th Circuit, that Trump could try to deport US CITIZENS to foreign prisons without due process, a wake up call to stop Trump’s fascist march. Michael Popok takes a close look at Wilkinson and his order and why it matters to frame the issues before the Supreme Court up next. Head to https://policygenius.com/legalaf to get your free life insurance quotes and see how much you could save. Remember to subscribe to ALL the MeidasTouch Network Podcasts: MeidasTouch: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/meidastouch-podcast Legal AF: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/legal-af MissTrial: https://meidasnews.com/tag/miss-trial The PoliticsGirl Podcast: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/the-politicsgirl-podcast The Influence Continuum: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/the-influence-continuum-with-dr-steven-hassan Mea Culpa with Michael Cohen: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/mea-culpa-with-michael-cohen The Weekend Show: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/the-weekend-show Burn the Boats: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/burn-the-boats Majority 54: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/majority-54 Political Beatdown: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/political-beatdown On Democracy with FP Wellman: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/on-democracy-with-fpwellman Uncovered: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/maga-uncovered Coalition of the Sane: https://meidasnews.com/tag/coalition-of-the-sane Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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for me, moved yesterday in a positive way. It's not just the series of bro podcasters who are now having second thoughts about having supported Donald Trump. It's not just the legion of MAGA supporters who own small businesses and other businesses who are together in chorus, exclaiming, this is not what we voted for. Why did I vote for this effing guy or things of that nature? This is now the crack, the fissure that we've been waiting for, frankly. This is federal judges that are unassailable. Judge Wilkinson, Harvey Wilkinson, but on the bench since 1984, placed there by Ronald Reagan of all people. If you built a Mount Rushmore of federal appellate judges on the

conservative right-wing side, Wilkinson would be carved there, along, I believe, with J. Michael Ludig, who's been on this show before. And when I read this seven-page decision, so powerful, what you can say, and this is what I tell my people that work with me, you don't need 50 pages, you got seven pages.

It was such a scathing rebuke, but yet with soaring language which hit right at the Constitution by a constitutional scholar who has written books in order to encourage judges to restrain themselves. In our democracy, he doesn't want ideology on the bench. He wrote a whole book to prevent that, to hear Wilkinson. As soon as I read it, I prevent that, to hear Wilkinson. As soon as I read it, I was like, this is Wilkinson. It was a little bit unclear because it was a joint decision, opinion of three people about Armando Abrego Garcia, but it's obviously Wilkinson.

It's now been identified as Wilkinson. I'm going to cover it right here on Might as Touch and Legal AF because it's that important. Let's turn to the issues. Forget the names. I don't care whether the guy's name Armando Abrego Garcia, Kilmer Armando Abrego Garcia, it goes well beyond him. I'm sure the person in Brown versus the Board of Education was a very interesting person, but the principles of the case are what matter, right? You know, Roe versus Wade, interesting people, I am sure, but the principles are what mattered there.

And so strip away the names and strip away all the facts about whether he's got a marriage that's on the rocks or whether he is or is not a criminal. It doesn't matter. This is about due process. This is about our constitutional guarantees of Fifth Amendment privilege. This is about notice and constitutional safeguards for everyone that was at one point on U.S. soil. And this is a chilling comment that I don't want to have lost.

I did a whole hot take on Legal AF about this, but listen to this point that Wilkinson writes about observing the grinding effect of the Trump administration, grinding against the judiciary in a way that lessens both because he's so out of control. The essence of the case has to do with the government's asserting a right to stash away residents of this country in foreign prisons without the semblance of due process that is the foundation of our constitutional order, Judge Wilkinson writes on page two of his order. Further, it claims in essence that because it has rid itself of custody that there's nothing that can be done. Judge Wilkinson writes, this should be shocking not only to judges but to the intuitive sense

of liberty that Americans far removed from courthouses still hold dear. But buried in this decision is something where Judge Wilkinson went out of his way not only to support the lower level trial judge, a very fine and respected judge as they called her Judge Paula Zinnis in Maryland, who now has the glory and the honor of having been affirmed twice by the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals in the last two weeks. And so that's six votes there and nine zero at the United States Supreme Court for how she's handling the ordering in the Abrego Garcia case, right? So you've got, you know, 21 votes in favor, none opposed to how she's handling the case.

He says, listen to this, because this is the one that sort of got lost a little bit in the shuffle about Wilkinson going out of his way to say, I've read about Donald Trump in the Oval Office effectively claiming when he had the petty dictator of El Salvador next to him, Bukele, he said, oh, well, we're going to consider sending U.S. citizens who commit crimes and, you know, use a baseball bat against old ladies and throw people downstairs or whatever it is. And listen, that was not lost on Judge Wilkinson, because here's what he said about that. This is on page five.

The executive, the president, possesses enormous powers to prosecute and to deport, but with powers come restraints. If today the executive claims the right to deport without due process and in disregard of court orders, what assurance will there be tomorrow that it will not deport American citizens and then disclaim responsibility to bring them home?

In what assurance shall there be that the executive will not train its broad discretionary powers upon its political enemies? The threat, if not the actuality, would always be present and the executive's obligation to take care that the laws be faithfully executed would lose its meaning from Article II, Section 3. There are times in our history when federal judges and Supreme Court judges stepped forward. Sotomayor anticipated this very lawlessness when she dissented in the immunity decision

from two July's ago, which granted Donald Trump not only immunity from criminal prosecution for most of what he had done, but effectively gave him carte blanche to run this presidency in a lawless fashion. And we all looked at it. We said kudos to Sotomayor. She got it exactly right. And here we have Wilkinson, who's unassailable, although he will be assailed by the—by MAGA and by

Donald Trump and those around him. You can't claim that Wilkinson is a leftist, an activist, a Marxist, corrupt. This is a lion of the bench, well respected by Democrats and Republicans alike. His background, two things about his background which explain the soaring poetry of his language and the power of it. With our baby daughter approaching her one-year birthday this summer, where did the time go? My wife and I are very focused on her time horizon and mine. And that means thinking deeply about life insurance for my wife and me to make sure our daughter's future is protected. Protect your family by securing their future with

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the link in the description to get your free life insurance quotes and see how much you could save. That's policygenius.com slash Legal AF. He not only clerked on the United States Supreme Court for one of the justices there and wrote a book about it when he was in his 20s. He's a prolific writer, analyzer, constitutional scholar. He also

served in the Department of Justice as the Deputy Assistant Attorney General in the Civil Rights Division. So civil rights matter to him. The Constitution matters to him. But let me look at Wilkinson even deeper. He's written a series of books, and one in particular about 20 years ago was called The Cosmic Constitutional Theory Why Americans Are Losing Their Inalienable Right to Self-Governance. That's an interesting title. I'm sure it sold a few books, but what does it mean? He was and is against judicial activism, which means judges using ideology to decide cases and to impose their ideology, like petty legislators, on the rest of America and the public from the bench.

He believes, he's an institutionalist, he believes in the role of the federal judiciary is not to make law, but to interpret existing law or for the good faith extension of it. And his book was all about not allowing judges to use their ideology to undermine self-governance and our democratic participation. He was against all that ideology theory he was about, and this is his phrase, judicial humility. Judicial humility.

Be humble in the work that you're doing as a judge, and that will set you on the right course to allow the American people to have what they need in order to run our democracy. So when you have a judge like this who's not an activist, he's actually written books just to anticipate the attacks on him. He's written books about the need for judicial humility and restraint, and for him to write these seven pages is even more meaningful. And I'm sure when the three judges got together, Wilkinson, King, and Thacker, they deferred to Wilkinson to write their thoughts down.

Now we've read, let me just read you a couple of points that will go down in history, I am sure, as the proper call at this moment in history. I've talked about Judge Kofenor, who's a federal judge senior status in San Francisco, who enjoined Donald Trump the very first injunction, and there's now 60 of them, came in January five days into the administration about birthright citizenship, which is now gonna be heard by the United States Supreme Court on May 15th in an oral argument.

But he said in it, the reason I need to rule against Donald Trump now and not have any fear of doing so because he's wrong about trying to rip away 14th Amendment constitutional protections for citizenship when you're born on the soil is because we don't want to live in a world where history looks back and says, where were the judges? Where were the lawyers during that period? Well, how was he so out of control? And obviously Wilkinson heard the call from Judge Coffin back in January and is answering right now. He says on page four of his order, the government is obviously

frustrated and displeased with the rulings of the court. He says, let one thing be clear, court rulings are not above criticism. Criticism keeps us on our toes and helps us do a better job. But then he says, criticism need not be stilled, but active obstruction or defiance is barred. And that's what Donald Trump is doing, active obstruction and defiance of the federal courts. And if you don't like it, then you go and you appeal. He says the bottom of page four, the executive is inherently focused upon ends, the judiciary much more so upon means. Ends are bestowed on the executive by electoral outcomes. You know, Donald Trump's constant discussion of his seven battleground state wins and mandate means are entrusted to all of the

government, but most especially to the judiciary related to the Constitution itself. He then says on page five, we'll respect you and your Article 2 powers, but you, for the good of our society and our country and our Constitutional Republic, need to respect us in our Article 3 powers. Here's what he says about that on the bottom of page five. The basic difference between the branches mandate a serious effort at mutual respect. The respect that courts must accord the executive must be reciprocated by the executive's respect for the courts. Too often today this has not been the case, as calls for impeachment

of judges for decisions that the executive disfavors and exhortations to disregard court orders sadly illustrate. He says on page six, now that the branches come too close to grinding irrevocably against one another in a conflict that promises to diminish both, this is a losing proposition all around. This is the institutionalist of Wilkinson speaking about judicial humility, but also humility in all the branches. The executive will lose much from a public perception of its lawlessness and all of its attendant contagions. The judiciary will lose much from the constant intimations of

its illegitimacy to which by dent of custom and detachment we can only sparingly reply. The executive may succeed in weakening the courts, but over time history will script the tragic gap between what was and all that might have been, and law in time will sign its epitaph." You know, these—and he actually cites the Brown versus the Board of Education and Eisenhower, whose personal opinion was, it's not time to desegregate the schools, but I'm going to abide by what the United States Supreme Court has just said to try to get Donald Trump, the gentle brethren in the executive branch, as Wilkinson calls it, because he's a gentleman, to do the right thing. We know the Trump administration, led by Donald Trump, is not going to do the right thing.

And we're going to have a constant, as we said at the top of this administration after the election, daily lurching from one constitutional crisis to the other. All we can do is continue to talk to each other about it right here on the Midas Touch Network. Take a moment, hit the free subscribe button, and then I got a personal plea. Come on over to Legal AF, the YouTube channel. Hit the subscribe button there as we continue to grow that channel. We're growing that channel at a rate of about 70 to

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