Legal AF by MeidasTouch - Trump’s Biggest Plan Suddenly Blocked by Federal Judge

Episode Date: February 25, 2025

If you don’t like an America where Immigration forces chase undocumented other human beings through Churches and places of worship, then you will love the latest injunction against the Trump Adminis...tration to stop enforcement of the inhumane new policies to use these kinds of raids as part of immigration enforcement. Michael Popok does a deep dive into Federal Judge Chuang’s new order and explains what a “mandatory injunction” is and how it’s different from a prohibitive one. Remember to subscribe to ALL the MeidasTouch Network Podcasts: MeidasTouch: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/meidastouch-podcast Legal AF: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/legal-af MissTrial: https://meidasnews.com/tag/miss-trial The PoliticsGirl Podcast: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/the-politicsgirl-podcast The Influence Continuum: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/the-influence-continuum-with-dr-steven-hassan Mea Culpa with Michael Cohen: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/mea-culpa-with-michael-cohen The Weekend Show: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/the-weekend-show Burn the Boats: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/burn-the-boats Majority 54: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/majority-54 Political Beatdown: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/political-beatdown On Democracy with FP Wellman: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/on-democracy-with-fpwellman Uncovered: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/maga-uncovered Coalition of the Sane: https://meidasnews.com/tag/coalition-of-the-sane Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:02:25 the latest injunction against the Trump administration. This one that stopped their depraved policy of raiding, I mean raiding churches, looking for people with undocumented status. Is that the country you want to live in? I don't think so. I'm on Midas Touch Illegal AF, and so are you. Let's get into it.
Starting point is 00:02:44 I'm Michael Popak. Illegal AF and so are you. Let's get into it. I'm Michael Popak. About a week or so ago, we reported on the new lawsuit filed where else in Maryland, a lot of these cases against the Trump administration, and there's more than 90 of them as of last count are coming about half of them in the Virginia, DC and Maryland area against these agencies. Now, Judge Chang, a Obama appointee, had a hearing,
Starting point is 00:03:08 and this was the order that just came out. I'm gonna read to you in a minute, enjoining, stopping, blocking the immigration service, the ICE service and Homeland Security from raiding churches. But it's not a national injunction, and it doesn't apply to everyone similarly situated. It really just applies, unfortunately for now, to the six Quaker groups that are operating in 37 states
Starting point is 00:03:34 and the Baptists out of Georgia and the Sikhs out of California. But I'm sure this will be the start of a nationwide injunction. The reason the judge didn't do a nationwide injunction is he questioned that whether this group had standing to represent all the other people or whether they had a unique injury. Now this is the same Judge Chang that in part in when he was doing his his questioning of the of the lawyers for the Department of Justice and for
Starting point is 00:04:03 these groups, Democracy Forward. He, when he questioned about their argument that this did not, the government's argument, the Trump argument, that this did not interfere with the First Amendment expression of religion, he said, well, I think, he said, instead they argued that all these groups are here for the conjectural speculative future potential harm
Starting point is 00:04:26 and subjective fear. And the judge fired back and said, subjective fear, when you have Kristi Noem, the Homeland Security Director, going on videos, showing videos of her all dressed up in her cosplay ICE enforcement outfit, talking about getting dirt bags off the street, the judge said, that is not a subjective fear.
Starting point is 00:04:47 In fact, we have a clip of that. Let's play the clip of what the judge was referring to. You're in New York City this morning, we are getting the dirt bags off these streets. So that's, you know, that's where when you make videos, when you work for the Trump administration, or you say stupid things at your press conferences, they're gonna be used against you in filings,
Starting point is 00:05:04 or with judges during this type of colloquy or discussion. Now let me read to you from the actual injunction. Again, it's not nationwide, but it does apply to a large group of people here represented by the Quakers. And shout out to the Quakers. You know, we learned about them in grade school, usually about pacifists and not wanting to go to war. But, you know, give them credit about how they're handling things here. Their major argument to the judge was we as part of our religion, invite people to attend meetings, we want them to attend our Quaker meetings. We cannot in good conscience do that
Starting point is 00:05:46 because there's fear that some of these people are undocumented, we don't know who they are, and that they're gonna be raided during the meeting, putting them in harm's way. So it's a little bit of a safe haven argument. Here's what the judge ruled. The judge did not like an order that came out in January that's been enforced here.
Starting point is 00:06:02 Says the defendants, the United States Department of Homeland Security, Christie Noem, in her official capacity of Secretary of Homeland Security, US Immigration and Customs Enforcement ICE are enjoined or blocked as follows. In relation to all potential or actual immigration enforcement actions
Starting point is 00:06:22 in or near any place of worship owned, operated, occupied, or used by any of the above captioned plaintiffs. That is the Philadelphia Yearly Meeting of the Religious Society of Friends, the Religious Society of Friends being the Quakers, the New England Yearly Meeting, the Baltimore Yearly Meeting, the Adelphi Friends Meeting
Starting point is 00:06:41 of the Religious Society of Friends, the Richmond Friends, the Religious Society of Friends New York Yearly Meeting, the Cooperative Baptist Fellowship and the Sikh Temple Sacramento, they are not allowed to enforce it there. And to answer the question that I know will come up, as of right now, they could enforce it against
Starting point is 00:07:02 and they could have used the policy to raid other churches not listed here but I think they do so at their own risk. The judge went on to say that the that group of entities the defendant shall not implement and force apply or act pursuant to a memorandum from January 20th from the acting secretary of Homeland Security entitled enforcement actions in or near protected areas. I mean, right there, you've got protected areas
Starting point is 00:07:32 which Donald Trump and his group have completely destroyed. B in his order, Judge Chang's order, in relation to all potential or actual immigration enforcement actions in or near any place of worship owned or operated by the above plaintiffs or their agents. Defendants shall instead implement, enforce, or apply an act pursuant to the terms of a memorandum from October 27, 2021 from the then Secretary of Homeland Security under
Starting point is 00:07:57 Biden, Mayorkas, called the Guidelines for Enforcement Actions in or Near Protected Areas." And he attaches it. In other words, that's what he's telling them. It's a mandatory injunction in that way. It's a prohibitive injunction, stopping them from enforcing the January 31st, 2025 memo, and a mandatory injunction, preliminarily at least, compelling them
Starting point is 00:08:21 to use the earlier memo. Go back to the status quo of the earlier memo. The judge also notes that consistent with federal law, this injunction does not enjoin or restrict defendants from conducting arrest in or near places of worship when authorized by administrative or judicial warrant. As necessary for the enforcement of the preliminary injunction,
Starting point is 00:08:42 plaintiffs shall provide to the defendants, the government, immediately. And in any event, no less than three days after the date of the preliminary injunction, plaintiff shall provide to the defendants, the government, immediately, and in any event, no less than three days after the date of this order, a list of all their places of worship." And of course, he enforces it by contempt of court. So what does it all mean? It all means that as for now, in at least 37 different locations operated by the Sikhs,
Starting point is 00:09:06 the Baptists and the Quakers, the group there, the Religious Society of Friends, ICE is gonna have to wait outside. This does not impact some of the more nefarious aspects of that memo. They are still able and they are currently, so if you like your government chasing people through hospitals, funeral homes, and schools, and also social services offices,
Starting point is 00:09:36 then you'll like everything that this Trump administration is doing. If that is not the government or the society that you wanted to wake up in, just picture ICE agents chasing, right? Undocumented immigrants fearing for their life through churches, schools, hospitals, social services offices and the like. Is that handmaid's tale vision? Is that what you wanted?
Starting point is 00:10:04 I'm not talking to my audience. I'm talking to those outside of our audience about why they think they're so happy with the Trump administration. Although polling says they're not. Polling, Republican town halls held by Congress in their communities says that the, not only is the Trump administration criminal,
Starting point is 00:10:23 but it is wholly unpopular, even with their own people in the red states. Because they finally woke up and said, wait a minute, you're cutting government funding, including all the programs that helped me? This is a version of not in my backyard, we call it NIMBY. Enforce it against my neighbor, not against me.
Starting point is 00:10:42 And now they're waking up to realize how much money they're losing, how much federal funding waking up to realize how much money they're losing, how much federal funding they're losing, how much support they're losing. And he's woefully unpopular. I mean, he's 10 points below Joe Biden coming in, and 66 or more percent of the population, including his own followers,
Starting point is 00:11:00 don't think he's doing enough to help them. It spells disaster for this administration. It spells disaster for them holding the House and the Senate in the midterms. But of course, that's not their goal, everybody. Their goal is to, and this is Donald Trump's legacy, is to at least for the short term, reshape the relationship between you and me
Starting point is 00:11:20 and our government. In other words, make the government distant from you and me, including its funding and its health programs. And that's his major goal, and implement everything about Project 2025. So kudos out to Judge Chang, did the right thing. That's a preliminary injunction.
Starting point is 00:11:37 This will then, I assume, will be some sort of appeal to the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals, which covers Maryland, depending upon the results there, an emergency application to the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals, which covers Maryland, pending upon the results there, an emergency application to the United States Supreme Court. And we'll follow it all right here on the Midas Touch Network and Legal AF. Let me take a moment.
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