Let's Be Honest with Kristin Cavallari - A Brutally Honest Convo with My BFF Justin Anderson

Episode Date: October 3, 2023

My best friend and incredible hair stylist, Justin Anderson, joins me to have one of our very real, honest conversations about our similar dating paths going from narcissist relationships to attracting good guys, why we're soulmates, what we believe the key to happiness actually is, and why he hopes his mom isn't listening to this interview.A word from our sponsors:Amika: Go to loveamika.com/honest to shop all my faves and to get 20% off your order. Discount automatically applied at checkout and cannot be combined with other offers.LMNT: Try LMNT today and get a free sample pack with any purchase. Get yours at drinkLMNT.com/honest.AG1: Take ownership of your health. Try AG1 and get a free one-year supply of Vitamin D and 5 free AG1 travel packs with your first purchase at drinkag1.com/honest.Nutrafol: Nutrafol is the #1 dermatologist-recommended hair growth supplement. Nutrafol is offering our listeners $10 off your first month subscription and free shipping when you go to Nutrafol.com and enter the promo code honest.Stir: Stir is the dating app where single parents pair up. Go to Stir.com/go today to get 25% off any Stir subscription.Produced by Dear Media.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The following podcast is a Dear Media production. This is Let's Be Honest with Kristen Cavallari, a podcast all about getting real and open on everything from sex, relationships, reality TV, wellness, family, and so much more. And just a fair warning, there will probably be some oversharing. Welcome in to Let's Be Honest. I'm your host, Kristen Cavallari, and we are here in my dining room in Franklin, Tennessee. I am here with a legendary hair colorist who now has his own hair product line called DP Hugh. He's also just the best human on the planet, and he happens to be my best friend. We're talking to Justin Anderson. I love it.

This feels kind of weird to be honest. Me interviewing you. Also Quinn, get out of here. Tristan's dog's here. If you're listening, you can't see. Obsessed with Justin. Dogs love me. What's that about?

You've got good energy. That means. No, I do have good energy. And I'm just a dirty dog. You are a dirty dog. No, but dogs are obsessed with me. And kids. Kids and dogs. My kids are obsessed dirty dog. You know what? Dogs are obsessed with me and kids. Kids and dogs.

My kids are obsessed with you. I can confirm that. People are also just obsessed with you. Everybody loves you. Get out of here, bro. No, it's true. Like, it's been crazy for me to see because obviously you were on Very Cavallari

and people, you guys, Justin is way more recognizable than me. Anytime, anywhere. It's true. Everyone comes up to you, but people just adore you. And it's because you are so positive. You have such a good positive message on social media,

which I want to get to in a little bit. But thanks for saying that. That's so sweet. It's the truth. I think people recognize me out because like, I'm just like big and clumsy. Scoot always like laughs. He's like, Justin, you could never sneak through any room.

I think I walk different. I got a lot of swish to my hip. I mean, you are tall, like you're hard to miss. I think people would stare at you anyways, but I think people you're just you're very recognizable and people love you. So they get really excited. This is so funny, by the way, you and I try to do this together because it's like all we do all day long is talk to each other. So then to sit here in front of the mic, like I got to watch myself, bro. I got to filter it a little bit. Well, I have like an outline.

I'm like, can't we just like rip? But okay, so I'm excited because we have such brutally honest conversations and I don't want us to filter this. Brutally honest. Yeah, and so I think the things we talk about are very relatable. So I think this conversation should stay like that. But okay, we're going to get to all of the juicy stuff. I want to start

with your story because you have a really interesting story. And I think a lot of people don't know your story. So you grew up Mormon and you didn't come out until you were 19. So I want to know what high school was like not being able to fully be yourself. It's so funny. Like, obviously, when I was young, I knew I was different. I had two brothers. I was always way more interested in hanging out with girls

and doing more like feminine things. And I got teased a lot for it. And like my mom would always be like, Justin, you can't play with Barbies, you know, but she wasn't doing it in a shameful way. But it's like I always knew I was a little bit different.

Right. But at a young age, you don't really know what your sexuality is. You don't want to sleep with anyone. So I was never thinking like that, but I would watch like Disney movies and I'd always be like staring at the Prince. And I always was really like, I loved like the guys in Top Gun. So like, I knew I was always like looking at guys or whatever, but it doesn't mean anything when you're a kid. So as I got older, I was obsessed with romance. Like I love, love so much.

So I always had girlfriends and I loved my girlfriends. But now looking back on it was like, I just love, like, I love you. It was like, I would like want to protect them. And I want to hang out with them all the time. I'd help them with their outfits, literally our relationship. But I was like, I always had girlfriends and I was so obsessed with being in a relationship. So everyone was always like, Oh, Justin's like girl crazy, you know? So I did that all through high school and got my high school girlfriend pregnant. So I got her pregnant in high school

and she had the baby, the baby, we, we put him up for adoption. I'm now friends with him and everything. So that happened in my high school. And it was like a huge deal, obviously, like she was like a cheerleader and she's pregnant. So I was a senior and she was a junior. So then she had the baby and I was in my freshman year of college. She had the baby. And then after that, I came out of the closet. So I just like hit my parents. Did she know you're the girl you had a baby with? No. So it all kind of came out at the same time. We were broken up at that point. So when we, her and I broke up and then had sex, we had intercourse like one more time

and she got pregnant then. We were together for like two years and the last time we ever did it, she got pregnant. So yeah, there was time. It wasn't like she had the baby and we were still together and then she found out there was time there. So it was a big thing. But I think like half of the people in my life were expecting it.

But there were still people who were like, whoa, you're gay. And I was like, are you kidding? Like, how would you not know? But I really was so girl crazy in high school. Isn't that so funny? Yeah. Okay. So what was dating like after you came out?

Did you just go buck wild because now you could be free? Well, it's funny. If I'm really being because now you could be free well it's funny i mean if i'm really being honest you know let's be honest i definitely experimented like in high school you know and oh with guys yeah so stuff happened like yeah definitely i didn't know that even people who are like now married with kids where i'm like oh that's weird my first gay experience and I've never talked about this publicly anywhere putting it on my podcast but my first one it was so bad Kristen I was I think 16 and this guy this is bad he was like 36 but you hear that all the time all the

time I used to sneak out of my parents house and and he would come there. And now looking back on it, I'm like, what an absolute scumbag that guy was. I know. A dirtbag beyond belief. A hundred percent. And thank God nothing bad happened to me. I mean, I was the same then as I am now. Like you and I will take care of ourselves, you know. But yeah, that was like the first time.

And he was that much older. How did you meet him? We met. I don't want to give away too many specifics. Okay. people look him up yeah okay but basically he was like a coach whoa yeah for a sport that I played and it was like yeah god that is horrible it's wild it's wild I mean I don't even think I told my parents that my mom's not listening but no so then after I came out of the closet I did have a ton of fun yeah I was like so excited I mean I had my fake ID I would go to like the gay bar stuff but I didn't have a group of gay

friends yet so I was like I was like making girlfriends of mine go to the gay bars with me and you know Casey Welch that I do hair with first she was my best friend in high school and she was the biggest they call him a fag hag you can say that word when you're gay but she was the biggest fag hag ever and she would go to all the gay bars with me and we were just reckless. And it was fun. And I got it on my system really early. That's great. Well, we have similar stories speaking of that, because when it comes to our dating paths, I think, you know, you got everything out of your system. I did too. We ended up with narcissists and we talk all the time about those relationships. And I think

unless you've actually been through it, it's really hard to fully understand it. I actually think people don't even really understand what a narcissist is unless you've had experience. That's what I was just going to say, unless you've actually dated one, you don't understand. And that word's thrown around so much. So I'm like, you guys, not everyone's a narcissist. If someone's a dick to you, it doesn't mean they're a narcissist. There's a very specific thing. Keep going. Sorry. It's your podcast. No, no, no, no. This is about you though. But it's usually about me and our relationship. But we always talk about how as difficult as those relationships are, we're thankful for them because it made us stronger. You know, you learn so much about yourself.

I want to hear you talk about your experience with one and how you ultimately found the strength to leave because I think that's the hardest part for most people is getting out. Yeah, I think for me, I actually, it was a blessing. My ex, and I don't want to talk crap too much and I'm not going to give any names or anything, but I was in a relationship that he was definitely narcissistic.

And I didn't really realize it until we broke up. And he actually broke up with me. And then I was devastated. Like, it was like out of nowhere, like whatever. And then, of course, weeks later, tried to get back together. And I held strong. Like, at that point, I was like, that relationship was really unhealthy. Blah, blah, cut to, I went to therapy for two years,

talked through all of that, realized what the relationship was and why I was staying in it. And it was because my dad's a narcissist. My dad was a total narcissist, but a good one. Like I loved my dad, but looking back on it, it's like, oh no, he was definitely narcissistic. So that was comfortable to me.

I have a lisp, everyone. So that word's kind of hard for me to say. And I'm going to make you say it a hundred times. Over and over. So it was like a pattern that I had to break. But once I realized what I did with that and why I stayed in that relationship, I was like, oh, I'll never do that again. And then you can spot that from a mile away. You can. But haven't you said that even after you guys broke up, you attracted a lot of narcissists for a while? Okay. So when I broke up with him, so he was older. It's funny. I'm in a relationship now for like nine years with Scoot, my partner and Scoot's a lot younger. My ex was 15 years older.

You know? So when we broke up, everyone always thought like, oh, Justin loves older guys with money. And that was never the case. It was just, that's how it happened or whatever. So I, a lot of those older guys who were had a very similar personality. That's who was like asking me out all the time. And that's who people were setting me up with. But I'd go to dinner with these guys. And within minutes, I'd be like, oh, red flag. This is exactly.

So you could tell immediately. I could tell immediately. So you didn't keep dating narcissists. It was just they were being put in front of you. They were being put in front of me. And that's literally who was attracted to me. And I feel like you and I talk about this a lot. I feel like there's something about our personality that attracts a narcissist. And I have so many theories that we could, we can go into it at another point, but I feel like

narcissists want to like tame you and I, you and I have such a big personality where we know how to take care of ourselves and get what we need or whatever. And they want to like take something from me. They want to hold you down. I feel like they want to like suck our energy. Yeah. It's almost like a vampire. No, it's like, it's a conquest for them. And then looking back on my relationship when I was in it for a long time, it was like,

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And it was like, that was what I had to process, I think, for so long, like working through that. But I didn't, I don't think, learn my lesson immediately because I kept dating narcissists. Well, because you are so attracted to them. Like that- I was. And you and I talk about this all the time.

I always am telling you like, Kristen, this is the kind of guy you need to be with. This is the kind of guy. And all of a sudden, you being single for however many years now, all of a sudden you're starting to look at those guys where me as your best friend, like everything is settled for me.

I'm like, okay, we're in the clear. Like she's cool. The tides have turned. No, because the guys that you were like paid attention to, I was like, bro, you can't do that again. Like bad, bad. But things have shifted. Okay.

Yes. No, they really have. They have. They've shifted. You've changed so much in three years. Like so much. You were always exactly this, but you're just like really leaning in a different direction now.

And it makes me so excited. Thank God. We couldn't keep doing what we were doing. We couldn't keep going through all of that. Well, now you're in a very happy, healthy relationship with Scoot, who you were just talking about. And I just love your guys' relationship. It just really works.

But I want to hear from you why you think you guys work so well together. I think it's because we're literally in a relationship for the right reasons. Like, it's all about taking care of one another, letting each other be exactly who we are. Like the two of us, I mean, Scoot and I could not be more different, but then in certain areas we're so much the same. And I think one of the biggest things is like having a partner that doesn't try to change you. You will never change a personality like me or you. Right. So we can never be with people who are like, I wish you'd be more blah, blah, blah. Or like when you and I go to an event or something,

we all of a sudden, we're the most social people in the world, right? So we're talking to everyone. You can't get into the car after with your partner and have them be like, wow, you were really talking to everyone. Like Scoot would never do stuff. Like he really knows who I am

and he's so confident with it. You know, there's no jealousy. So I think the biggest thing is like, there's no jealousy between the two of us. No trying to change one another. And like, there is no one more loyal in the world than Scoot. I mean, even the way he treats you, like Scoot is in love with you. And like, and also that having a partner that like loves you. Like the fact that we can trap when we have, we've traveled the whole world together. The three of us are basically a little family. Yeah. And there's never any weirdness. And also like, I love you and Scoot's relationship

and he loves ours. Like when you guys go off and do your own thing, or when the two of you are like making fun of me at dinner or something, like there's no weirdness. Like I love it. And it's like, so we really celebrate each other's life, you know, and we're excited for each other. I know because you and I are so close and we talk all day sometimes, like the voice notes back and forth. And it's just like, it's nonstop. And I think for a partner that could be, you could be a little jealous of that situation. And he, he is so great about like, just letting us do our thing, get a little neurotic sometimes or just be crazy. And he's never once been like, hey,

Justin, can you stop like calling Kristen or anything? And the funny thing is like you and I are like the king and queen of voice notes and we do it all day long. And you and I wake up at four thirty in the morning and we start voice at that time and scoots in bed next to me. And sometimes I'll be listening to him. Usually I'll try to get out of bed or whatever, but sometimes I'll be laying in bed listening and he's just laying next to me like chuckling. I don't even know that he's awake and he's laughing, but he thinks we're the funniest people in the world. The other day he said, he was like,

imagine if someone took all of yours and Kristen's voice notes and turned them into a self-help book. Because basically we're just giving each other advice all day long. That's what it is. That was the funniest thing he's ever said. God, that kills me.

I need to find my scoot. Like that's my mission is to find my sweet, good, supportive guy. Supportive, I think is a big word. I think you like a little bit more fight and spice than scoot.

But I don't know. Maybe that's... Fight is not the right word. No, because fight sounds terrible. I'm saying in life. Let's say... I know more i know what you're saying if you're at the airport you want your guy to like grab your bags and get you through the airport if there's a long line okay yeah scoot we're like scoot we're leaving we gotta go we'll wait in the wrong line for like three hours and not ask any questions like it's not moving up like today he went to the airport i don't know how he got to to Arizona. What I say to you, I go, it makes me really nervous.

Scoot being at the airport by himself. Just like a lost little puppy out there. Meanwhile, he's so efficient. Like he really could do things really, really well, but it makes me nervous. Yeah. So I need a little bit more. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. A little more like a take charge. People could take advantage of Scoot. That does scare me. Thank God he has you. Okay. Let's talk about our friendship. People always tell us how much talk about our friendship. People

always tell us how much they love our friendship. And we've said that we think we're soulmates. And I think you can have multiple soulmates. I don't think it's always a romantic relationship. So I a hundred percent think that we are soulmates. Why do you think our dynamic works so well? Oh my gosh, this is a fun one because there's so many things. I completely agree. And I think that I think our relationship is so special because when you think about it, like a gay guy and a girl together, when you have the right combo, like it's so fucking beautiful because it's like, there's no jealousy. You're never going to have something that I want at all. You know, dating, it's not like I'm ever going to like be secretly flirting with your guy or whatever.

We can also, I can send you pictures and be like, look how hot this guy is. And you're like, I know. And we can have that too. So all of those like kind of surface things like work out for you and I. And I think that's why it makes the relationship so easy.

But we have to be honest in the sense that like neither one of us are an easy personality. You know, like we're definitely like we require a lot out of friendships. You know, we're always turned on. We're always looking for like things to be amazing, blah, blah, whatever. But I think that you and I have so much respect for one another. It's just it's a really interesting relationship. It's funny, too, because even Scoot was saying

he's like, it's so funny, Justin. No one in the world can tell you what to do except for Kristen. Like, I won't take advice from anyone and like no one gets to call the shots in my life. I do what I want to do all the time except for you. Like I'm like a little pussy around you. Like you could be anything that you say we should, we should do. I'm like, okay, yeah, we should do that. Literally though. Oh my God. That's so funny. But I think, I think to get like deeper, I really think that there's this like serious connection between you and I, like, it's so funny when I was on your show, very Cavalier, like we can talk about everything here, right? So when you and your ex were going

through like the breakup or whatever. And at that point, reality TV was new to me. So like, I was like reading comments and blog stuff. And there was all these people being like, Justin and Kristen are having sex. Like I know they're together. And people were talking about that. I'm like, that is so fucking bizarre. What do people not realize that like a man and woman can be friends and I am gay. Like it's real, you guys like whatever. But then I started thinking about like all these people are like, Justin loves Kristen. Justin's obsessed with Kristen, but whatever. And I'm like, yeah, I am obsessed with Kristen. I am in love with her and everyone should be in love and obsessed with their best friend.

Yes, I agree. I'm in love with you. In my mind, you're my girlfriend. I would take care of you like a girlfriend or a wife. But no, we just have like this real love for each other. I agree. And I also think like we do. We just really get each other.

But we can also connect on so many different levels. Whether that be like owning our own businesses. The entertainment industry. Because I mean, you worked in it for so long too, talking about men and dating and all of that. I also just think, like you said, we have similar personalities. So how we respond to situations is very similar.

Very. Very. And I feel like there's not a lot of explaining that has to happen between you and I. Like we get it immediately. And that makes me feel so comfortable. Like when I, you and I are also, we're a little bit crazy. We can be, we can't. No, no. I mean, I mean, in the sense that like

you and I will hyper focus on certain things that are very understandable, but you could explain it to somebody else. And they're like, I don't get what you're saying at all. Like every time you come to me, I get it right away and vice versa. You're my favorite person to call with like a problem and all problems are, they can be silly, they can be stupid or they could be huge, but you want your best friend to understand you.

You want them to listen. I would never judge you like, oh, Kristen, that's annoying. No, it's not. If you're mad, I'm mad. I know, I know. Really mad too, like I'll burn a house down for you.

Sometimes madder than I am. That's for real. The way that like you will bring me a problem that you, you've already moved on 10 minutes later and I'm 3 days later

I'm still thinking can we just talk about this again like Justin I'm not thinking about that no but that's the thing we have so much

empathy and compassion for each other and we just understand each other and it's so nice it's my favorite relationship of my life me too

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The first time we met, it's so funny. I mean, i won't go too much into it but like you came into the salon to get your hair done i was brand new to doing hair i just started doing like a couple celebrities but you it was so exciting for me to meet you because my sister was obsessed with laguna beach i hadn't watched it yet and my sister was like this girl kristin on laguna beach is literally like you as a girl and she was like you guys are the same person, blah, blah. So we talked about that for a while. Then Jack, your publicist, had you come into me for hair. And I was so I called my sister. I'm like, Kristen's coming to me for hair. Like, I'm going to meet her. And she's like, oh, my God, Justin, like you guys are gonna be best friends with her. You came into the salon and it was like we were siblings. It was like immediately

the most natural friendship ever. And I will say the biggest thing that stood out to me is I was doing a lot of young like Hollywood actresses at that time and there was a part of me that's like oh my god she's gonna be like a little bitch she's gonna show up an hour late or whatever you were so punctual which you always are in everything and you had the nicest kindest energy in the world like so easy to talk to you you weren't staring at your phone or like staring at a magazine the whole time you were like really really like looking eye to eye and like we were having conversations. Like it was an immediate friendship. It really was.

It really was. And I mean, we got super close in the last like four or five years since you moved to Nashville. But like we had that relationship where when we saw each other, it was like no time had passed and we would go months without seeing each other. So then once we did, it was just like, okay, so here's what's going on. And like, it's just. And that's why the whole Nashville thing like that other sometimes. Oh, yeah. But then once we did, it was just like, okay, so here's what's going on. And like, it's just. And that's why the whole Nashville thing,

like that was meant to happen too. I think so many people who saw it happen on the show thought like, oh, did they do that for the show or whatever? Like we moved here. Then the show, you were like, oh, do you want to do it on a show? And I thought it was going to be a little blip on the show. I didn't realize it was going to turn into that whole thing or whatever.

And then I think people thought like, oh, is he going to move back to LA or whatever? This is real life. I've been here for four years. I know. And thank God. And that is like, thanks to you. Like you got us here. So yeah, that's. I mean, I can't imagine you guys not being here the last four years. Imagine what the past years would have been like. It would have been really hard. One thing also that I just absolutely love about you is how you are truly my biggest cheerleader. Like it doesn't matter what I'm doing, but you support everything that I do. And it's just, it's so sweet. Yeah. I mean, being your best friend is honestly so much fun just

because you have so much going on. I mean, it's pure entertainment all the time. So like I enjoy it. And then I'm just genuinely like, I'm so in awe by so many things about you like literally though like the way that you like set boundaries like I learned so much from you you know because I am like I'm a people pleaser and you're the nicest person ever and you're so loyal and everything but you're not a people pleaser like you don't feel like you need to like please people where I do so I learned that from you so like and there's not very many people I feel like in my life that like I'm kind of in awe with the way that I am with you. So yeah, I'm always like rooting you on and to anyone listening who like, doesn't know, like I've

worked forever in Hollywood doing celebrities. And I feel like I've worked on every celebrity I ever wanted to work on. And I'm saying that only because like, I've worked with really big personalities and like impressive people. Right. And I really swear to God, like you stand out so much to me because you have, this is why this podcast is so good. Cause I want people to see all the sweet little corners to your personality and all like the bad-ass things about you. Like you're really fucking fascinated. So like, I'm just always happy to be around you. Oh, see, you're the sweetest. But you also like, you do love women and you really build women up. I love women.

You do. And I think it's just, it's really sweet to see a guy who just adores women. And I also think if you guys follow him on social media or if you don't, you should. But you have such a positive message on social media. Really, your whole thing at the end of the day is we should all come together as people. Let's stop fighting. Let's all just like, what are we, what are we fighting about?

Why are we wasting all this energy fighting? Even like, and I know there's a lot of things in the world that we should worry about and whatever. But like, as far as like social media and your everyday stuff, like the way people fight and like the commentary, I'm like, do you know what that does to your body? Just being negative and hateful all day long. I don't think people understand that like if you put out

positivity it'll come back to you even you know this is something that's annoying like people will sometimes look at you and I like in my career like I've done really well for myself and you've done really well it's like oh of course they would because they got things handed to them right by the way both of us worked our dicks off to get to where we are or whatever. But it's also like, I feel like you and I deserve it because we put the energy out there, you know, like it's law of attraction. I really believe in energy as, you know, law of attraction. What you put out is what you get back. You and I really believe in manifesting. We do. I really think.

You're better than I am. All of a sudden I'm like, holy shit, this stuff works. But I really think life is a mirror. So whatever you're putting out is what's going to be reflected back to you. And I think it's really fun. Like, I really enjoy life. I even think when like things that are kind of bad happen, like I love looking at them as learning experiences and like kind of be like, what can I learn from this? This is so annoying and this sucks. But like my biggest growths have come from those kind of things. And I think that you and I look at things in a similar way like that. You know, we don't like lay down on the ground,

like stomp our feet and cry when something happens. Like I want to be like, how can I learn from this and get through it? That's the key to happiness. Yeah. Sometimes it's annoying to hear people talk like this. So I'm sorry you guys listening at home. I don't think that... Every obstacle is an opportunity.

Yeah, no, because I actually a lot of times don't think like that. It's just that comes naturally to me. And you know what we will do sometimes if we need to? We'll give ourselves a moment to just like bitch and get it out. And then it's like, OK, I'm moving on. It's we're moving on to the next thing, which is healthy, I think. But you are such a positive light. I think you're a really good role model and just someone that people can really look up to.

And so I'm thankful to have you in my life, obviously. But I think people can really tell through social media and anytime you meet people, like you just have this positive bright light. And so I think that's why people really respond to you so much. I really like people. Like I think people are fascinating. That's also why I love reality TV. Like I love people. I love what I love meeting people. Like, you know how I am anywhere we go. Like you like people way more than me. I'm like, I'm trying to dip out of here. Like when people will come up and talk to us on vacation or whatever.

Like I'm trying to invite them to dinner. I'm like, oh, it's so nice to meet you. Yeah, yeah. And I'm like, bye. I'm leaving you. Like the amount of people I give my phone number to. That, I swear to God. The next day, we'll go out.

And the next day, Justin's like, oh my God. So-and-so from last night is texting me. I'm like, you gave your number out? I'm so confused. Like to so many people, though. It's so funny. You also are the funniest fucking person I know. You make me laugh so much.

We laugh really hard. We laugh a lot. Well, I love you, obviously. I appreciate you so much for being so honest and being here and just keeping it real with me. Thank you for having me on this. That went by so fast. I know. What the heck?

It goes by really fast. No, I love you, Kristen. I love you. Okay. Tell everyone where they can find you. It's just Justin Anderson. Yeah. My name, Justin Anderson on Instagram and TikTok. Oh, TikTok is Justin Anderson color. And I'm really loving TikTok lately. And you're good on it. You are. You're actually surprisingly so good on it. Surprisingly. No, because I'm like, I just never thought you'd give it that much time. But like you're. Everyone is like, never did I think you'd be doing like voiceovers. And you're like, and they're spot on.

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