Let's Be Honest with Kristin Cavallari - Are Your Supplements Useless? The Truth About Gut Health & Antibiotics with Dr. Ryan Monahan
Episode Date: April 28, 2026Dr. Monahan is back and he’ll make you rethink everything you thought you knew about your health. After seeing my lab results post-antibiotics (and being honestly shocked), we dive into wha...t antibiotics are really doing to your body, and why the effects go way beyond what anyone talks about.We cover: why probiotics aren’t one-size-fits-all, yeast and SIBO, spotting high-quality supplements (most are basically useless), peptides and GLP-1s, what’s actually worth it, and the real story behind birth control and its side effects.K18: Shop at Sephora or get 10% off your first purchase at https://k18hair.com with code KRISTIN.Sam Edelman: Visit us at https://samedelman.com to explore everything you need for spring and get 15% off with code honest15.Ladder: If you have an iPhone, head to https://ladder.fit/HONEST and take a quick quiz to find your perfect Ladder plan. Use my link and get a free 7-day trial with NO credit card, and $10 off your first month if you join.Figs: Get 15% off your first order at https://wearfigs.com with the code FIGSRXSkims: Shop my favorite bras and underwear at http://www.skims.com/honest #skimspartnerCookUnity: Go to http://cookunity.com/HONEST or enter code HONEST before checkout for 50% off your first week.For more Let's Be Honest, follow along at:@kristincavallari on Instagram@kristincavallari and @dearmedia on TikTokLet's Be Honest with Kristin Cavallari on YouTubeProduced by Dear Media.This episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products, or services referred to in this episode.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
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Got all my little bags out here with me with all my supplements.
I really am committed to the bit.
Yeah.
It's a lifestyle.
It is.
You have to let...
Can you ever sort of like get off of taking supplements?
For sure. Yeah.
I mean, a lot of my patients do.
They just don't like doing it, you know?
So like once you get your levels all set, then you can kind of...
I don't think those tests will ever show perfect findings that they're not really even meant to, like, achieve perfection.
It's like, where do you need support now?
Because your physiology is ever shifting.
Oh, okay.
So it's like where should we focus our attention right now and then next time and the time after that.
So I think it's more like how you feel.
Do you feel like you want to feel?
And if so, let's take a break.
And if something happens in a year or two or three, come back.
Oh, interesting.
And kind of like jump.
In my head, I've been like, this is my life now.
We test my body every six months.
This is what I'm doing.
I think that's the best way to do.
That's what I do for myself.
I run those labs every six months.
But not everybody wants to live their life that way.
Right.
Right.
So if you're into it, keep doing it.
And if you want to space it out, more you can.
Okay.
maybe that's the move, just like taking a little supplement break.
For sure.
Supplement fatigue is very real.
What supplements do you take every day?
Too many to list.
I counted once recently.
I take like 72 supplements.
Whoa.
Yeah, recently.
But I'm always doing different protocols, you know?
Like right now I'm on a few different protocols.
So I'm not just taking that for maintenance.
I'm actually trying to work on things.
Got it.
Okay.
So what would be like a maintenance program?
Let's say like you do all the tests and I'm going to, well actually, okay, let's start
with this.
Let's talk about, so well, welcome back to the podcast, Dr. Monahan.
Thank you very much.
This is your second time coming on the pod.
For anyone listening, I would highly recommend going and listening to the first one because
we talk about so many great things.
And this will be like an extension of the first one.
But on the first one, we talk about when people come to see you, you run a ton of different
tests on them.
So explain to everybody if they haven't heard it before.
What tests you run on all of your patients?
I run advanced functional labs, which are very different than kind of the conventional
blood work people get when they go to their primary care physician. That's more like a CBC and metabolic
panel that's looking for disease. And in functional medicine, we're more preventative and kind of a
longevity medicine. So we're trying to see what are the places that need support now to prevent
disease from developing down the road. So the things I like to run include like a stool test to look at gut
function. Adrenal testing is really big in functional medicine, work on your stress response in the
body. Hormone panels. Organic acid testing is a very unique test to functional medicine, and that
looks at like, it's like 25 tests in one. It's like detoxification, nutrient levels, inflammation markers,
toxic burden issues, mitochondria, neurotransmitters, such a long list of stuff. So kind of all the
things we like to see. So it ends up being, I don't know, like a thousand markers. It's a lot of stuff.
Yeah, yeah. So you, I mean, we have such a good picture into my body where it's been, where it currently is. And how this conversation came up, why I wanted to have you back on the podcast was because I was pretty vocal last spring about redoing my boobs. And we had tested everything in my body, I think, a couple months before. And then we tested everything a couple months after. And what we saw was pretty alarming. And specifically from taking and
antibiotics. So I just felt like it would be important to have a conversation about antibiotics. And I want
to preface this conversation with the fact that obviously we fully understand that there is a time
in place for antibiotics. Sometimes we need them. They can be life-saving. This was an elective surgery.
So I think for me, I just, I've always known that antibiotics are not good for you. But seeing it
firsthand like that on my labs was pretty alarming. And I just think a lot of people will sometimes take
things without asking questions or wondering if it's doing anything harmful to their bodies.
So in your doctor terms, can you explain what we did see on my labs specifically from the
antibiotics?
Yeah.
I mean, just to start, you're absolutely right.
Antibiotics are critical and life-saving and totally warranted in certain circumstances,
but they are typically over-prescribed and there is growing antibiotic resistance globally.
So I think we need to be targeted in where we use antibiotics, not to say don't use them ever,
but just like don't overuse them, don't prescribe them in places that they're not going to work,
like viral issues, common cold influenza, bronchitis, some sore throats.
And then, you know, you can treat other things without antibiotics that are commonly treated with antibiotics.
So I see patients for things like UTIs, yeast infections, ear infections, digestive issues,
skin issues. Those are commonly treated with antibiotics, but you can treat them with natural stuff.
Oh, I didn't even know that half of that stuff was, like yeast infections are with an antibiotic?
Sometimes. Oh, I didn't even know that. Yeah, I mean, antifungals would be better. But yeah,
so there's just this kind of overuse in places where they're either not effective or not necessary,
if you kind of know different ways to approach those. So yeah, with your labs, there is definitely
damage to the microbiome, as you'd expect. When you take antibiotics, you really damage the
microbiome. And your microbiome is like foundational for health. You know, that's where you produce
neurotransmitters, 95% of your serotonin, 50% of your dopamine, vitamins, like B vitamins, K vitamins.
You know, of course you absorb nutrients from your gut, from food. It's really influential for your
immune system. So like you want to protect your microbiome and not take antibiotics if you don't
have to. And again, time and place for those. But yeah, it definitely damaged your microbiome.
And then typically what you see is a rebound growth of fungal or yeast or candida issues.
And we saw that, right? So that's something to keep in mind. If you have to take antibiotics and some people do,
there's precautions you can take, like a Saccharomycese-Bularity supplement that can help prevent the rebound growth of yeast.
It can help mitigate some of the negative effects of antibiotics as well. And then there's another probiotic strain, L-Romnosis, G-G that can be helpful.
But then you want to focus on diet more than anything, right? So like lots of fiber-rich, cellios-rich, vegetables,
fermented foods like kimchi and sourcrow. All of that will help a lot.
So my microbiome, or well, do you say mitochondria?
Well, yeah, your mitochondria is a different thing.
Yeah, that's like cellular energy.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And my antibiotics kind of influence mitochondria.
That's absolutely true.
But, yeah, very direct impact on the microbiome pretty much every time.
Actually, there's an interesting study that just came out three weeks ago from Sweden
that found it takes up to eight years to regrow your microbiome after one course of antibiotics.
Okay, so that...
That's a long time.
That's the part that just infuriates me, right?
Like, I just think that we should be having these conversations,
which, again, is exactly why you're here.
But I think about that, you know,
because even what we saw on my test was from one round of antibiotics.
And if you look at the course of someone's life,
most people are taking antibiotics at least a few times.
I mean, I used to get strep throat a lot in my early 20s.
I would always take an antibiotic for that.
And so, yeah, what are...
What damage are those making on your body long term?
Like if you have to take antibiotics five times in your life, let's say.
Yeah.
What are we looking at?
Exactly.
Almost nobody's going to go through life and not take an antibiotic.
Right.
And most people are going to take a lot of them.
And I even work with patients sometimes, like, they have recurring UTIs and their doctor put
them on, take an antibiotic every time you have sex, right?
So you're just like permanently on an antibiotic.
What's going on, right?
Whoa.
That's so counterproductive because as you decimate your microbiome, you're more prone to those
types of infections happening.
So it's like you really get stuck in there.
this vicious cycle. So, yeah. Like what happens in, you know, if you take them five times, now you're
40 years old, like what could we be looking at? That's why we have a lot of health issues. It is,
right, from antibiotics specifically. Well, destroying the microbiome is associated with a lot of bad things,
like, you know, body mass index issues, triglyceride issues, if you can say it. Just all these
health issues, right, because the microbiome is so influential to every aspect of your body. So, yeah,
I think it's a huge part of why there's kind of a chronic sickness, disease epidemic going on, you
just overuse of antibiotics. So yeah, it's a really tricky situation because they're here and we
can use them and they're really helpful and life-saving, like I said, but should be more selective.
And then just know that I think people have the impression if you kind of have to take an antibiotic,
okay, I'll go pick up a bottle of probiotics and I'll be good. And that study I just mentioned does not
show that. You may never get your microbiome back. Like I think of some of these strains, you have
500 to 1,000 strains in your gut. If you kill them with antibiotics,
Some will come back. Some may never come back in your whole life. And so I like to think of them almost like endangered species.
So like if you kill some, they're gone for good. It doesn't mean you can bring them back if you want to.
So even if like we were to test everything and you're like, okay, here's this protocol for you now, we potentially could still not bring some of those back even with supplements.
Absolutely. Absolutely. Oh my God. Yeah. Yeah. It's no guarantee. And that's why I'm saying, you know, people should just be aware that when you take an antibiotic, it's doing some.
potentially permanent damage to the microbiome. Wow. And so when we talk about the microbiome,
is that the same thing as saying there's no good bacteria in your gut? Or is that different?
Yeah, that's exactly right. So the microbiome is your commensal flora, your good bacteria.
Exactly. Right. Right. Okay. And so with antibiotics, so what are alternatives that people can be doing?
I know you just said that you could take a couple of things if you have to take an antibiotic. Yeah.
So, but what are some other things that can sort of act as an antibiotic if you don't necessarily
have to take an antibiotic? That's a great question. And so that's what I work on with patients and
it's like a case-by-case basis type of thing. But, you know, some of the common things that I
mentioned, like an ear infection, especially in children, and it's like really good not to give
kids antibiotics right away and just get them started with a deficient microbiome day one. So ear
infections are really common and they get antibiotics prescribed all the time. So I give a very natural
blend of olive oil, mullion, and garlic. And you can put drops in the ear. What's mulean? It's an herb.
Oh, I've never heard of that. Yeah. And so that can, you know, do that two or three times a day for a day or two or three
until it's gone. And that works pretty well. And you've avoided an antibiotic there. And that happens
all the time. So that's common. And then for, you know, recurring UTIs, I give like Chinese herbal
formulas that are really good for that. Bazang Tong is the name of one. So it kind of depends on what you're
treating, right? It's not like a one, it's not like here's the one thing that replaces an antibiotic
always. There are natural antimicrobial herbs, antiparobial herbs, antiphyracidic herbs, antifungal herbs,
and those will be used in place of an antibiotic, an antiparacetic, or an antifungal medication.
There are places where the medications are better because they're stronger if something's
really in need of that. But a lot of these lesser concerns that are something you want to
fix but aren't like an emergency or life-saving event, you can use gentler things.
What about is it called colloidal silver?
Yeah.
Cloidal silver is great.
You can use that in so many different ways, orally, topically.
We've put it in eyes.
I know, yeah.
Eyes, ears.
I've done that for patients with like styes in their eye or, you know, pink eye.
Pink eye.
It's cleared pink eye in my kids.
It's pretty amazing.
It really is.
It really kind of works.
Yeah.
So that maybe it's not like one size fits all, but that is kind of universal for a few things.
That is, yeah, if you had to like say what is kind of an equivalent to an antibiotic, that has like antibiotic properties to it. And you can use it in a similar way. It's not as powerful, but that also means it's not as detrimental to your microbiome. Right. Do you ever have to be worried because it is silver and that's. That's a real thing. Yeah. If you go online, you can find problems with everything, right? So silver is one of them. I think there's reports of people turning like blue or silver or something. Yeah. I mean, it's like one in a million type thing. But then people find that and they're like, oh, it's terrible.
terrible for you. So, yeah, if you don't feel comfortable using something, don't use it.
Yeah. Yeah. I think people just have to know there are other options that exist because I think a lot of
people have the idea or are told even, it's this drug or nothing, it's this surgery or nothing.
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in the drop-down menu that follows. Okay, and then the flip side of antibiotics is probiotics.
And I think there's this misconception with probiotic also is that everyone should be taking a
probiotic. You know, marketing is like, everyone should be on these probiotics. And that's not the
case. So explain why not everyone is a candidate for probiotic.
It's so true. I think over the last decade or so, probiotics really blew up as this kind of one-size-fits-all cure for gut problems. And people have in their head, like, I'll just take a probiotic and I'll be better. And that's definitely not the case. So I run stool testing on every patient I work with. And we see all sorts of problems. And most of the issues people are having health-wise and especially gut-wise are pathogenic infections and overgrowth. So like parasitic, bacterial, fungal yeast, things like that. So most of the issues,
the time, I'm starting patients with kill and clear protocols to get out all the bad guys. And
most of the time, that's enough. That's actually what people really need. And probiotics are pro-life, right? So
they're going to help with the, you know, building of the healthy microbiome, but they're not so much
going to clear out the bad guys. You want anti-things, antifungals, anti-parasitic, anti-microbials. So,
yeah, clearing out the bad stuff is usually what's needed. Oftentimes, and so that stool test includes
a microbiome analysis, oftentimes people's microbiomes are okay. That's not really the problem.
there are people who have deficient microbiomes,
and then you'd want to go strongly with diet,
vegetables, fermented foods, things like that,
a lot of fiber-rich foods,
and then taking out all the bad stuff,
inflammatory food, sugar-based things,
things that break down to sugar, all of that.
And then the testing also shows specific strains,
like acrimancia or lactobacillus or bifidobacterium,
and if you see deficiencies there,
you can just give that probiotic,
and I do see those come back, you know?
And if there's like a macro deficiency to the microbiome,
then I lean more on the diet side with the vegetables,
fermented foods and taking out inflammatory foods. Got it. So if you have an overgrowth, like I, we can use
me as an example. When I first came to you, I had SIBO, so small intestinal bacteria overgrowth.
And so if I was taking a probiotic, would that make it worse? It can, exactly. Yeah. So it can exacerbate
symptoms. It may or may not make the actual SIBO worse, but it'll flare up your symptoms. And you'll
bloating is the number one symptom of SIBO, right? So it'll probably make you feel more bloated. So it's not
that the probiotic is bad inherently, it's that you're just using the wrong tool for the job
when you want to use antimicrobials and clear out that bacteria and not proliferate life with a
probiotic. Right. Right. So I think a lot of people in an ideal world, we would all be taking these tests
and we would have a clear picture of what's going on in our body. But obviously, that's just not
feasible for everybody. How can you tell in your life if you're a good candidate to take a probiotic
or not? Or maybe the better question is, what are ways to tell that you're not a good candidate?
That's a tough one. In general, there's not too much, if you get a high quality probiotic, there's
not too much drawback to taking it. And if you take it and you start. Even if you have yeast,
let's say. Yeah, yeah. I mean, even in some schools of thought, you can use probiotics to treat
overgrowth and pathogens. Like that's, you know, Saccharomycese's bulardi is this probiotic yeast and
it combats yeast. It's kind of this weird situation where you're using yeast to fight yeast.
Yeah. But it actually works, right? So yeah, again, no problem taking a probiotic just to,
give it a go, but don't have the assumption this is going to, it's a cure all, it's going to
fix all your problems. And if you notice things get worse, that probably means you have
overgrowth and infections and pathogens that need to be treated first. So, yeah, I mean, short of that,
it is test out gas and see what you need specifically, if you can. But like bloating potentially,
all of those kind of symptoms could be. Just having done this with thousands of patients,
what I most often see are pathogens, infections, and overgrowth causing the problem.
So I don't think a probiotic will really resolve issues in those situations.
You should go the other side, the anti-life, like antimicrobials, things like that.
Okay.
Yeah.
How do we get SIBO or yeast overgrowth?
Where are these all coming from?
Because it feels like everyone has some form of an overgrowth of something.
It's so true. I mean, antibiotics are part of the problem.
Right.
Because when you decimate your healthy microbiome, the healthy bacteria, they're gone,
and there's room for invaders to come in, like pathogens and infections and yeast and Cibo and all that stuff.
That's a part of it. It's such a big question. So like how do I even categorize it? That's like, that's putting everyone, starting everyone off on the wrong foot, just decimating a healthy microbiome.
Yeah. But then stress plays a role, especially with CBO, kind of, it turns out one of the underlying factors of CBO is motility issues. That means slow transit in the intestine.
So if you have slow transit in the intestine, that can often be due to stress.
like vagal nerve things.
And a lot of people have stress.
And that's such like a catch-all thing and people kind of dismiss it.
It's just like, of course, that's life.
But it really is compounding many factors in health.
And we do run like adrenal stress testing and we can work on the HPA axis and modulate
stress and its impact in the body.
And then you can use like motility agents to correct motility in the gut.
But that's a big part of it.
Food supply matters too.
You know, if you're eating low quality core source food, you're probably more prone to
some kind of foodborne pathogen. There's so many practices. Is that like a parasite? You can get a
parasite? Yeah, yeah, yeah, very, very common, yeah. Yeah, and parasites just wreck havoc on your
body. They really can. I mean, not just the gut, they can ruin systemic health. Things you wouldn't
even think were related, you know, cognitive issues, behavioral issues, immune issue, skin issue,
sleep issues, fertility issues, weight issues, like all this stuff, right? And the weird thing,
I was going to say the cool thing, it's not cool. The weird thing about parasites, you
can have a parasite and have zero gut symptoms. You could have all those systemic ones I just listed.
Yeah. You could have, you know, brain fog and fatigue and no gut symptoms. We run a stool test,
find the parasite, clear it. The brain fog and fatigue is gone. Whoa. So it's really hard to
determine on your own. Like you would never say it must be a parasite if you didn't have any gut
symptoms. Do you think that everyone should just be doing a parasite cleanse like once or twice a year?
And I will say, I mean, and I know I pay attention to the health stuff, but I feel like, you
more and more people are talking about that. Yeah, I do think people should be working on their gut
a lot more than they are in more advanced ways than I take a probiotic, and that's kind of where most
people land. When it comes to parasite cleanses, there's this whole spectrum, right? And I think people
use the word parasite as this catch-all for any gut problem or almost any health problem. Like,
I think I have a parasite, you know? And like, maybe it could be bacterial, it could be yeast,
it could be a lot of other stuff. Yeah. So figuring out what it is is critical to getting the right
treatment. And then what I've seen in the marketplace for parasite cleanses, there's like really low
quality ones that are not worth your money. There's better ones. But even the best ones, if they're
using high quality stuff, they're probably doing it in a very like direct to consumer way where it's
very safe, low dosages, short duration. So it's more like a gentle gut reset and you might see a little
improvement in your symptoms. But you're probably not truly clearing a parasite with that.
Like when I go to clear parasites based on lab work, it's like two, three, four months of like,
kind of heavy-duty stuff.
Yeah.
And we retest to make sure it's gone.
Right.
And we look at your symptoms and make sure you're better.
So, you know, even the best parasite cleanses that I've looked into,
they're probably not clearing parasites fully.
Gosh, it's so crazy.
Yeah, I mean, and we've cleared parasites for me and my boys.
And yeah, it's an aggressive protocol for like three to four months.
So and then even sometimes that doesn't work and it comes back.
Totally.
And that's where you have to start thinking about things holistically.
And like, like, like, CBO.
I get a lot of people saying, I have CBO.
What do I do?
And I'm like, well, CBO is one part of a bigger problem. And a lot of that comes back to, like I said, like nervous system regulation. And that's just a whole wall of yarn. That's a lot. Yeah. Well, okay, so talking about like what you can go and buy at, you know, your local grocery store to kill a parasite. Let's talk about supplements in general because not all supplements are created equal. And another shocking find for me on my results was my glutathione and my vitamin C were essentially non-existent.
And at the time, I was taking these liposomal pouches, sometimes twice a day from a brand that I thought was really effective, really great quality.
And that was shocking to me because to me it's a waste of time, money, energy.
I mean, it was a complete waste.
And so I'm, how can we tell what supplements out there are actually good quality and are going to do something?
for us. It's such a saturated market. How can we even know where to begin? You're exactly right. It's such
a saturated market. There's a million supplements out there. You can put a supplement out with virtually
no oversight or regulation. Yeah. There are, I mean, there's nothing more important if you're going to
use supplements than making sure you're using the highest quality, the best version of that thing.
How do we know what that is? Okay. So let's talk about that. There's a study I like to reference
that looked at, they went into the marketplace and they just bought random supplements from
common sellers. They tested all of them, and their conclusion was 80% of those supplements had
0% of the ingredient. None. What? And then everything else was like a lower dosage or it had
contaminants like metals or chemicals and all these fillers, right? So like most supplements are
fake. Wow. And then there's another study. So okay, so what can you do? There's this website that I have
a subscription to called Consumer Lab. It's like a paid thing. But it's worth the money, especially for what I do,
to follow on what supplements are good and not good. So they test very large amounts of supplements
all the time. And they send out an email like every week or two. Here's what we've tested.
Here's what we've found. Yeah. And so I'm watching that all the time. But yeah, the last email I
opened from them, they had randomly bought 13 vitamin E supplements off Amazon. And they tested them.
Five of the 13 had zero vitamin E. No way. So like you go on Amazon, you buy your supplement,
you think you're doing something good for yourself. And you're taking it.
filler. It's like filler powder. There's nothing in there. That is crazy. It gives supplements
a bad name because then people like I tried that didn't work supplements are bogus. They don't work.
And like it's true if you're taking a fake supplement that has nothing in it, right? Yeah. So like there's
probably a dozen or two dozen brands that I think are really high quality and good. So I use
those with my patients and myself. You have to make sure you're buying really high quality brands
from reputable sources. So I use full script. That's where I buy my supplements and send patient
supplements. They only carry the best of the best. So if you get it off there, you know it's going to be good.
Okay. And can anyone join that website? Yeah. Oh, okay. So anyone can just go on and order supplements.
Yeah, I think you need to sign up with a practitioner. Of course, you can sign up with me if you want,
but you can sign up with anyone. I think you do have to be in a practitioner's account. I was going to say,
I don't think anyone can just go and start ordering supplements. It's not like Amazon.
Yeah. Yeah. I think you're right. I think you do have to be under a practitioner. Well, that's why people
need to contact you and make an appointment. You can sign up for it for free anytime. You know, you don't even have to be a patient.
But that's great because they're all direct from manufacturer.
They only carry the good stuff.
They're very selective on what they allow into their catalog.
So if it's in there, it's good.
Still, they have 13 to 17,000 supplements.
So how do you know what 10 or 20 are good for you?
That's where the testing comes in.
And then you can also buy supplements direct from manufacturers' websites,
if you know good companies.
So just to name a few that I like, designs for health,
pure encapsulations, thorn, orthomolecular, metagenics.
seeking health is good,
Apex Energetics is good.
There's probably 10 or 20 others that are really good.
But yeah, just if you're going to buy supplements,
spend the money.
Like don't look for the cheapest one from the most random third-party seller.
From Walgreens.
Exactly.
Don't be buying supplements for mold.
That was one of the place they tested from.
It was.
I wasn't going to list the places.
I'll say it.
Anytime I'm in there, I'm looking at those supplements,
I can just tell.
These don't look like they're actually going to do anything.
I know.
And so it's a bummer for me because it's kind of the central piece of what I do in
treatment is I use supplements.
but I use it in a really methodical, thorough therapeutic way.
We test, we use the best version, we use the right dosages, we do it for a right amount of time.
So it's discouraging for patients to buy what ends up being potentially a fake supplement with nothing in it
and feeling like that didn't work for them.
Yeah.
And then as far as reading the labels on supplements, I'm even just thinking about the pouches that I was taking
because I read the labels.
I looked at the website.
I mean, to me, it looked like a great company.
wasn't doing anything. So how can you know, are we looking at dosage? Are we looking, like,
what specifically should we be looking at? Absolutely. This is a really good question. And I know
the company you're talking about. Like, I've never seen third party testing for that company.
So I can't say that's where like a consumer lab comes in and you start to learn like,
oh, this company always tests well. Could you even like Google third party testing for, I wonder.
I've never done that. I mean, their whole business model is cataloging this stuff. So, yeah.
It's possible. You might be able to. But I guess in the world of functional medicine, it's like our bread and butter to know what works best, you know. And so, you know, colleagues were always talking about like, and there's new supplements coming out all the time. All the time. So it's like you have to do your research. You have to use them and see what helps patients and what doesn't. And then you monitor lab results. Like did that work? Was that like with you, right? You were taking that glutathione and we saw your glutathione marker. It was like. It's not doing anything. It was not good. Right. Yeah. So with glutathione, just to be fair, there's a few things to consider.
It should always be liposomal. Yours was. That's good. It could have been a low quality product. Maybe,
maybe not. I don't know. Like I said, there could be absorption issues. Glutothion is not well absorbed
for everybody. So I often use precursor amino acids for glutathione support. Which I'm taking right now.
Yeah. Sistine, glycine, things like that. Then your body builds its own glutathione. And that's probably
a more productive process than taking the liposoma glutathione. Okay. But I mean, I was also taking
vitamin C. Is that also not easily absorbed?
Well, vitamin C is water soluble. So to be fair, on testing, vitamin C often will show up deficient
because we have patients stop taking supplements before the testing. And since it's water soluble, you clear it out.
Oh, that's interesting. Yeah, it's potential. You know, you'd still support it when you see it deficient on a test.
So vitamin C is probably one that just across the board everyone can take. Like you can't.
The only drawback to taking too much vitamin C is diarrhea. That's what I thought, yeah. Yeah. Don't people do like vitamin C flushes?
Yeah, you can do high dose vitamin C. Well, it's great for antivirals.
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All of the good doctors that I've ever known and you included, you guys all like your
vitamin D levels higher than recommended.
Explain why that is.
Yes, absolutely true.
Conventional standards are like if you're above 20 or 30, you're good.
In functional medicine, we like it a little more optimized.
We use reference ranges in general that are more optimized, whereas the conventional
ranges are more like it's acceptable if you're in this.
broad range, right? So we're like, how do we hone you into like optimal range for health? And so with
vitamin D, we like it in kind of the 60 to 100 range, which is you're just going to get more of the
health benefits of vitamin D. So vitamin D is great for immune function, lowering inflammation,
supports heart health and bone health, prevents cancer mortality and autoimmune issues. So many great
things from vitamin D. And then the toxicity is more up towards like 150 to 200, right? So being in the
60 to 100 range is kind of a sweet spot for optimized vitamin D. And you see more of the health
benefits from it there. Okay, great. And vitamin D in addition to obviously a supplement, you can get
from a lot of different foods. Yeah, but food is actually kind of a lower source of vitamin D. Yeah,
on like tiers, I would go supplement sunlight. Yeah. And then food. Yeah. So fatty oily fish,
eggs, beef liver, best sources of vitamin D. But you're just getting a little, like frankly. And then you get a
good amount from sun, but I work with people near the equator. They're eating fish. They're eating
eggs. And they're like, I'm in the sun all the time and they're still below 60. Oh, really?
I just don't see patients above 60 unless they're taking a supplement. Okay. Well, that's good to know.
Well, another thing talking about when you want your levels higher is cholesterol. Oh, my gosh. Yeah.
So same thing. All holistic doctors that I've never known, they say that high cholesterol is actually
okay. Well, and I've been seeing more and more people are saying like, oh, it's maybe not as bad as we thought to have
cholesterol. So talk to me about that and what you think about that. I think people should be running more
advanced lipid panels before being concerned with cholesterol. I think the standard lipid panels are a little
old school and you can get more information these days on how risky it is for you in particular.
Okay. So cholesterol is, there's like this hyperfixation on it for a lot of individuals,
even people who come to see me are like the only thing they care about is getting the cholesterol
to the reference range. And I'm like, okay, but cholesterol is this downstream indicator of all these
upstream and balances. So I'm more interested in why is the cholesterol out of range if it's out of
range and how do we fix that? Like, how do we get into the root causes behind that? Because it's usually
a lot of things going wrong and your cholesterol is responding to help, actually. 80% of your
cholesterol is internally produced. So if you have high levels and you're concerned about that and you
want to treat that, let's dig into your physiology and look for metabolic dysfunction that we can fix.
If you do that lower systemic inflammation, you see cholesterol levels get better.
And so, yeah, if you do have, I mean, there are markers that indicate high risk if you're,
if you have elevations.
So it's not to say, you know, any cholesterol marker is useless.
That's not true.
There are very helpful cholesterol markers, but it gives more context to get those advanced
lipid markers.
Okay, okay, got it.
And what are, is it, what do they put you on?
Oh, statins.
Statins.
Those are really bad for you, right?
Well, they're associated, they have risk.
Yeah, they're associated with diabetes, cognitive issues, muscle mess and function issues,
mitochondrial issues.
And they just changed the age at which to start recommending them a few weeks ago.
The American Heart Association dropped the age from 40 to 30.
So more and more people are going to be recommended statins, right?
It's just becoming very easy to be in that pool of people that will be recommended a statin.
So, like, that's an option.
You will be recommended a statin.
Statistically, you probably will be at some point.
So if you want to take that, it'll be available to you.
but if you're more interested in getting to the root of the problem and fixing those upstream
imbalances that are leading cholesterol to be elevated, that's a good idea because you won't only
move your cholesterol into the reference range. You'll prevent all these other diseases from developing
and then maybe don't have to take a statin that has some risk associated. Right. I mean, I think
that's the thing with pharmaceuticals is it's like people think they're these magic pills and it's
just going to fix everything and there's always risk to it. Yeah, and 75% of people who have heart attacks
had normal or low LDLs.
And statins are kind of pushing down LDL, the bad cholesterol, right?
And so you can't just have this mindset of like, oh, my LDL was high.
I'll take the statin to push it down.
And now I'm safe because, like I said, 75% of people have heart attacks had normal or low
LDL.
That's crazy.
Another thing that I want to talk to you about is peptides.
Oh, my goodness.
Unless you've been living under a rock.
Then you know that peptides are everywhere right now.
So funny to me because literally it feels like every year there's a new.
health trend, you know, and here we are with the peptides. I had asked you about them just on a call
that we had. But I want to talk to you about it here because I think there's a lot of confusion
around peptides. And I think, again, people are injecting themselves with peptides.
They're not monitoring their bodies at all. Half the time they don't even know what they're
injecting into their bodies. So let's start with. Do we even need to be taking peptides to begin with?
Need to be no. No, it's not like this secret compound nutrient that was,
missing for all of millennia and we finally discovered it. Saving everybody's lives. Yeah, no, you don't need to be
taking peptides. And then I think when you, well, some people do. Okay, so let's talk about peptides.
Like for instance, the first, you know, insulin, that's a peptide that was synthesized in 1922. That kind of
kick started things. And we produce insulin, but if you're a type one diabetic, you have to have insulin.
So what a great peptide, right? Oh, I didn't realize that's a peptide. Okay, right. Yeah. And so that's,
so I get asked about peptides literally every single day. And so the first thing I say back is which peptide do
mean. Because if you say insulin and your type 1 diabetic, I'm like, fantastic. You need it.
You need it. Yeah. Guess what else is a peptide? Glutothion. It is? Absolutely.
Oh, so interesting. So like that's made in your body. We use that as supplementations. You can inject it,
you know, et cetera. And then there's like kind of the newer kids on the block. And I use some of those in
my practice, but I just view them as like tools in the toolkit. Not the magic potion that
cures all ills. So like BPC-157 for gut issues, TB 500 for tissue, repair stuff,
proper GHK for skin stuff.
Well, they say that one can tighten your skin.
Yeah.
Is that true?
I've given it and taken it.
Does it work?
So that's what I want to say is like these are not wondered drugs or compounds that just magically
fix things overnight.
I think where that impression is coming from, well, with tissue repair, I should back up.
Tissue repair can be pretty magical.
But with like, I think that impression is coming from like the GLP ones that are, you're seeing
huge shifts very quickly in people in terms of weight.
And so I think often people are asking about GLP-1s when they mean peptides.
So that's why I like to define what do you mean by a peptide?
Because there are lots that I think are good and work and are helpful.
But again, like I use some of them.
I've taken some of them.
They are a tool in the toolbox.
They're not like the end-all, be-all.
They're like one supplement out of 10 or 15 or 20 all include.
Okay.
And those are low risk, but you also don't see the like giant, you know, return
immediately like a GLP1, which have risk.
Like, those have risk, and you see a big effect, and that's the allure, right?
That's what draws people in.
But those kind of started out, and those have been around for a bit, too.
GLP ones have?
Yeah.
Oh.
Well, they were originally used for diabetics, insulin resistant, cardiometabolic, high-risk folks, and
obesity.
Right. And then with Ozempic, it just got this craze all of a sudden.
Yeah, exactly.
So things kind of shifted, I think, in 2017 with some of the laws and developments.
But what's really shifted is people have started using them not for those things I just listed, the severe stuff, but cosmetically to lose a few pounds, 5, 10, 15, 20 pounds.
Yeah.
And so that market has exploded.
And I think that's where the conversation is right now is like, is that what they should be used for?
Are there safer, more root focused approaches to getting to metabolic dysfunction of which 93% of Americans have and other physiological imbalances in the body that are causing you to have a few extra.
pounds that you could lose if we fix those things. Right. So for me, that's my approach. That's what I do.
So I'm going to recommend that, right? And I think if you're going to do a JLP1, you should just be aware of
some of the risks involved. Which are what? Got issues. Let's talk about them. Therate issues,
kidney issues, gallbladder issues, sebo, chronic constipation, gastroporesis, bowel blockages,
obstructions. I mean, there's other ones too, right? So it's not that everyone will have those
things, but if you sign up for that compound, you're signing up for that potential risk, right?
And I have worked with patients who have had those. They've come to me after a GLP 1 or on a GLP 1,
and they've, like, I had a patient who had to have their gallbladder removed.
Really? Yeah, because of it. So. How long were they on a GLP 1 for?
Oh, I can't remember now. But then I've also had patients who have been on them and not
seen the weight loss they're looking for. And then we put them on like an adrenal protocol,
and they lose the weight, you know, in a month or two. And that's not going to happen for
everybody. But it just goes to speak to getting at the underlying physiological imbalances can
often resolve it. And then diet, lifestyle, all that has to be there too. Yeah. So you sort of look
at peptides as a supportive tool in the overall health regime. The ones that I use, yes, because
they're safe and not a lot of risk and gentle, right? So that's my approach. I don't like to use
things with a lot of risk personally. But that's not true. So you have to just think about what your
personal philosophy is on how you want to take care of your health. There's a lot of drugs out there
that come with risk and are very powerful. And so if that's what you're looking for, that's widely
available. But I like to let people know you can approach these things in safer, lower risk
ways and address true imbalances in the body that will help you stay healthy for the long term
without any of the risk. Well, in talking about supplements with peptides, how do you know that
you're getting a good quality peptide. I mean, things are moving really fast right now with that,
you know, like great market things in the FDA and all that's changing and compounding pharmacies.
So I don't know where that's all going to land. I'm also not a peptide specialist just to put that out there.
I use a few here and there. Which ones do you take? BPC, well, do I take or give to patients?
Okay, well, both, I guess. I've taken, well, actually, I haven't taken, I haven't given anything that I haven't taken.
Okay. So that's like BPC-157 for the gut. I've tried that and given it.
to some patients. And that really works. Like that really is helping your gut. For some people,
I mean, I didn't notice any difference when I took it. But for some people, they do. And so
that's where you have to kind of try things out and see, right? If there's low risk, it's okay,
probably to give it a go. And because I have so many patients asking me about peptides all the time,
they're like really eager to try stuff. And I'm like, okay, well, we can include one of these
that makes sense for what we're working on. And then the copper GHK for skin, it does other things, too.
You know, tissue repair is like a big part of peptides. And I actually, I actually,
I did a couple after my boobs as well for recovery.
BPC and...
TB 500?
Maybe. I can't even remember.
Tissue repair stuff.
Which is probably not smart.
But I do trust this guy in Nashville who does this.
And so he gave me too.
And I mean, but honestly, I don't think I noticed a difference.
Exactly, right?
So I don't think those are problematic, you know, from what I've seen.
There's still a lot of time will tell with these, though.
Like, there's a lot of new stuff.
A lot of these are new.
And there's even more coming down the pipeline.
And I think with new medical advancements, it's like wait and see, observe, give it many years, see how it works for people, what are the drawbacks?
So, yeah, I don't have all the answers on peptides. I use them sparingly. I'm not an expert on them, but...
But maybe people could dabble and see how they feel on them.
There are some that are really safe to dabble in.
Okay, yeah.
Yeah. But maybe GLP ones we need to be a little more reserved with.
Those seem to have the most risk, especially for those using them purely cosmetically to lose a few pounds.
I'd say you're signing up for some risk.
And the takeaway should be
there are ways to address your underlying physiology
that will actually fix the metabolic dysfunction
causing you to have extra weight.
That won't only help you lose weight.
It'll help you be healthy.
And on the GLP1, okay, 80% of people are off those
within two years.
Once you get off of it, you'll gain 65% of that weight back.
And along the way, 40% of what you lost was muscle.
So then you have to think about body composition
versus weight loss.
just because the number on the scales going down doesn't mean that's healthy. If you're losing
muscle and bone, that's metabolic tissue that keeps you healthy now and keeps you healthy as you age.
So if you're on a GLP1, you should think about what am I doing to fix underlying physiology for once I get
off of it? Yeah. How am I strength training and supporting protein intake for muscle and to avoid muscle
loss? Am I testing my nutrient levels? Am I looking at my hormones? Like, you have to think about
that stuff. Is that because you're just not hungry at all on them? So you're just quite literally not eating?
Yeah. It's so crazy. Well, it slows motility.
which ironically is something we're trying to improve all the time.
So taking GLP1 is counterproductive with something I'm trying to fix my patients all the time.
It sets it back.
That's why you can have SIBO from it.
So yeah, it slows motility and it just decreases appetite and hunger.
And then you're taking in less nutrients.
I run nutrient levels on every patient I work with.
Zero percent have ever come back with all the nutrients they need.
So the thing that I see with the GLP1 is higher risk for nutrient deficiencies.
And then nutrients are the resources your body uses to stay healthy.
Okay, and we talked about this on the last podcast, but just for anyone at home, again, who can't do all of these tests,
what are supplements that they could be taking every day that are just great for support overall?
For sure. It will vary, but generally speaking, like a multivitamin, really high quality multi-packs are what I use.
I like those a lot.
Vitamin D, I've never seen anybody. I mean, 65% of Americans are insufficient in vitamin D.
So there's a good chance you need more.
B vitamins kind of can't go wrong.
They support energy, detox, hormones, neurotransmitters.
They're used in every process of the body all the time.
They're water soluble.
Magnesium's a good one.
Before bed?
For sure.
I take high doses before bed.
Just load up.
I take some throughout the day as well.
But yeah, magnesium glycineates a good one.
It's like vitamin C in the sense that you can kind of take it until you have diarrhea.
And then you're taking too much and you want to back down from that.
Oh, I didn't know that.
And of course, if you're having constipation issues, it's great to help with that.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
Okay.
And then I want to talk about breast cancer.
birth control. So I went on birth control at age 15 and I got off at age 24 and I'm really happy
I never went back on it. And it's tricky because I'm really thankful that I had it in my late teens
in my early 20s. But I know now, you know, more and more people are talking about, again,
how there are always going to be these harmful risks. You know, there's no magical pill. And so
I'm curious, what are complications that people can experience from birth control? What are some of the
negative side effects that women can experience. Absolutely. So I think it's important to state,
birth control is not balancing your hormones. It's suppressing endogenous production. And I have a lot of
patients come in thinking they were taking birth control and it was balancing their hormones. And that's
not the case. So first you should know that. And then second of all, they do come with risk and side
effects potentially. And I don't think from experience that a lot of women who have been put on birth control
are told all the side effects, potential side effects, right? That's a really long list.
So I sat down one day and went through PubMed and found all the research papers I could citing, you know, potential side effects to birth control.
I list from on my website. All the citations are there. It came down to like 88, right? And they're all the common conditions you hear people have, right? So like every gut issue you can imagine.
Abdomal distension, bloating, gas, constipation, diarrhea, nausea, whatever it is. Thyroid issues, autoimmunity issues, anemia issues, malabsorption issues, nutrient deficiencies, heart issues.
it's associated with some cancers, uterine, cervical, and breast cancers, headaches.
I mean, it's such a long list.
It's like kind of everything you can think of.
So what will happen is somebody gets put on a hormonal birth control drug.
And then over some period of time, they may start to develop health issues, right?
And those health issues may or may not be related to the birth control.
So I work with a lot of patients that want to get off their birth control.
We get them off and they see improvements.
And we work on the underlying physiology that was really called.
causing the problem in the first place. So yeah, birth control is, it comes with some risk.
I just, you know, people should be aware of that. So, I mean, I think about, you know,
I have a daughter and she's only 10. So obviously I've got some time. But I think about when
she's older and we have to have this conversation. I'm just, I don't really know what to do.
So I guess what are the other options? And then I want to know also if the good outweighs the bad.
Obviously, there's a reason why women take birth control, you know, I mean, to prevent pregnancy.
And so does that outweigh some of the negative side effects? I don't know. I mean, again, because I was thankful I had it at a point in my life. So it's a personal decision. Yeah. And everyone should do what they think is best for them. But I think having information on alternative options is useful, right? You should at least have those choices to make. So if a patient I'm working with doesn't want to be in birth control, I recommend the natural cycles.
which is 93% effective against pregnancy, if you use it correctly.
I think birth control is up around 98% effective, so pretty similar.
And that's just tracking your cycle and knowing exactly when you're ovulating?
Yeah, it's using your basal body temperature.
So when they first developed it, you had to use a basal thermometer, take your temperature every morning,
and then you put that into the app.
And after some number of months, maybe two or three months, it calibrates to when you're fertile,
when you're not fertile.
Whoa, just based off of your temperature?
Just based on your temperature.
So you don't take anything other than your body temperature.
Oh, that's so interesting.
The cool thing is they recently, somewhat recently,
linked up with aura ring.
So now if you wear an aura ring or don't mind getting one,
you don't even have to take your temperature.
It just sinks from your ring to the app.
And then you just have this calendar of like,
I won't get pregnant if I have sex today.
I will get pregnant if I have sex today.
Whoa.
Yeah.
And it's 93% accurate.
So that's a pretty good statistic.
Yeah.
Okay.
Are there other options other than that?
Well, I think that's the best one.
Yeah.
Yeah. Neem oil is an option. There's some human studies that show 93% of efficacy with that. It can act as kind of a natural spermicide. You inject it, you know, five minutes before sex. But, you know, I've had some patients have issues with that. It has a smell to it. They don't like. And stopping everything to like go. Yeah. Yeah. It's not really good vibe for everybody. Also, good luck trying to explain that to my daughter. I'm like, all right, here's what you're going to do.
Yeah. And so, you know, a lot of people don't sign up for that one. But it's there. The natural cycle,
app. I like that a lot, but it does also require some thought and effort, but there's zero risk.
That's what I like about that. Birth control has some risk. And then birth control is also used
off label, not to prevent pregnancy, but for like skin issues, irregular menstruate cycles. True.
And there you're just suppressing symptoms, right? Like by suppressing the hormones. So that's where
I'm like, let's fix the underlying problems, not just put you on birth control, which has a lot of side effects.
And you're also ignoring those problems. Eventually you'll go off birth.
control. And when you do that, those symptoms will flare up again. Right. And then what about,
because like some of the birth control, I don't know if it's an injection or what it is, but like some
women I know literally don't have a period for three months or nine months or a year. And what is that
doing to a woman's body? Yeah, it's not good. Not good. There's a reason why we have a period every
month. I know. I talk to a lot of women who are younger and maybe not thinking about it in a bigger
a picture away and they're like, I love not having a period. Yeah, right. I've got friends. Yeah,
I've got to say that. That's not, that's not kind of the way nature intended it.
Right, right. Yeah, exactly. Okay, amazing. Well, I really appreciate you being here and tell everyone where
they can find you, book appointments with you. Yeah. And everything's on Zoom, which is great. So you don't
have to be in California to come and see you. That's true. Absolutely. Yeah. My website's peaceful
Mountain medicine.com. And then I'm on Instagram at Dr. Ryan Monaghan.
Amazing. Thank you. Thank you for having me.
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