Let's Be Honest with Kristin Cavallari - Honestly Cavallari Episode 4: Boston Pt. 1

Episode Date: June 24, 2025

Join me to recap the 4th episode of Honestly Cavallari. We cover why the WAGS theme bugged me, the fight Justin and I had at dinner, the editing on this show, the one thing I never want to talk about publicly, why the word easy is a hot button for me when it comes to dating, the two athletes I connected with on Raya, and why I thought this show was a risk. A word from my sponsors:LMNT - Get your free LMNT Sample Pack with any purchase at drinklmnt.com/HONEST. SKIMS - Check out the SKIMS Ultimate Bra Collection and more at www.skims.com/honestNutrafol - For a limited time, Nutrafol is offering our listeners $10 off your first months subscription and free shipping when you go to Nutrafol.com and enter the promo code HONEST.Sonobello - Save big during their Spring Saving event - Schedule your free Consultation now at SONOBELLO.com/HONESTOPositiv - Take proactive care of your health and head to OPositiv.com/HONEST or enter code HONEST at checkout for 25% off your first purchase Timeline - Timeline is offering 10% off your order of Mitopure. Go to timeline.com/HONESTFor more Let's Be Honest, follow along at:@kristincavallari on Instagram@kristincavallari and @dearmedia on TikTokLet's Be Honest with Kristin Cavallari on YouTubeProduced by Dear Media.This episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct, or indirect financial interest in products, or services referred to in this episode.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The following podcast is a Dear Media production. This is Let's Be Honest with Kristin Cavallari, a podcast all about getting real and open on everything from sex, relationships, reality TV, wellness, family, and so much more. And just a fair warning, there will probably be some oversharing. How we doing, guys? Welcome. We, I am back at my house in my podcast studio. I've been on the road promoting Honestly Cavallari.

I was in New York and then I was in LA. I was gone for nine days total, which is the longest I've been gone in a while. And now I'm home and actually my kids have been in Australia so I don't have them for two weeks. And I've been home for the last few days by myself and it's been so weird. It was really nice for like 24 hours getting home, having a really quiet house,

not having to worry about feeding other humans, like just being able to eat whatever I wanted to eat and just unpack, do laundry, go to the grocery store, like just get acclimated without having to worry about anybody else. And that was really nice. And now I'm kind of like, I don't know what to do with myself.

I have all this time and I don't know, it's weird. It's been good because I've been really relaxing. I've been doing a lot of nothing, which I never get to do. So that's been really nice. But I'm also like, I'm getting like a little stir crazy. I don't know. But it's good for me because this doesn't happen often. So it's been kind of nice.

And then I'm going to Austin with three girlfriends. And a couple days here, by the time you hear this, I will just be getting home. and I'm really excited for that. I've had this group of girlfriends for about 20 years and instead of going to like Mexico or you know going somewhere amazing, the last couple of trips that we've gone on we've decided we just want to keep it really chill stay local meaning in the, and go to places that we would maybe not normally go to. So a couple years ago, we went and stayed on a lake house, this beautiful lake house in Idaho. And that was amazing, like one of the better trips that we've

had. And so we're going to go stay on a lake house in Austin. And I think lake life is the life for us now. We're lake girls and we love it. So I'm really excited for that. So anyways, that's what I'm up to right now. And today we are gonna be talking about episode four of Honestly Cavallari, little recap. And I just watched it again, actually, just to make sure it was fresh in my mind. You know what's so interesting about doing a reality show?

And one of the harder things about doing a reality show, I would say, is that when it airs, you have to sort of relive, well, not sort of, you have to relive what you went through months prior. So in this episode, I don't know, even just, well, maybe not so much this episode, but just overall, like the last couple episodes, you know, the Talon, the Johnny of it all, you know, and everyone in my life being like, you know, have you talked to Johnny?

Have you talked, and I was just like, oh my God, like I don't want to talk about it anymore. Like I haven't, you know, I dealt with this in March, which I guess isn't that long ago, but still that's just the hardest part. And then in this episode, Justin and I kind of get into it at dinner, which I'm really excited, really excited to talk about here with you guys.

But even that is like, I don't even want to live that out again. Like it just, it was a dinner and we all moved on after it and now I have to, you know, talk about it. And I've been doing a lot of interviews, obviously promoting the show. And that was a question I didn't interview today actually. That was one of the questions was what is the hardest part

about doing a reality show? And I said that, I was like, I think just having to, you know, live it out again is not hard, but I'd say it's the most annoying part. Anyways, okay, so today, or today, so this episode is about, it's with Camille Caustic and it's this WAG episode in Boston. It starts with us still being in Chicago,

but the show episode, or yeah, the show episode, it's hard for me to think like TV show podcast show I don't know it's just like it's a jumbled in my mind like how I speak about all of these things and I have referenced to the show I've called it very Cavallari a thousand times because I can't keep them all straight in my head. Honestly, Cavallari though. So here is, so okay, the overall consensus of this episode is, okay, so the WAGs episode for the podcast tour is not something that I would have done if there wasn't a TV show.

I said it before, and I do want to be careful about how I say this stuff because this show is very real. It's as real as you can get with a reality show, I would say. And the only thing, and I've told you guys before on the podcast, that in the very beginning when I decided to do this show, you know, there's a production company and the network

and there's a lot of people now involved. And I think at first everyone was really excited about the potential of guests and who we could get. And I don't know who came up with this idea of wag. And it's just not something that I ever would have been like, oh, I wanna do a wag show because of my own feelings of the word wag, which we do touch on on the show and we'll get to it today. But I would have had

Camille come out as Camille Caustic, period, end of story, that's it. Maybe, obviously, I probably would have asked her about Rob and I probably would have had a question about the wag world, but that would have been it. So what happened was I had Camille and I had another wag actually as well who pulled out last minute for a family emergency. And when I say last minute, like I was already on the road when she pulled out. So because I was already on the road and I was in the middle of shows, I didn't have the capacity, the mental capacity to then completely redo my show as far as interview goes. Like my interviews had been locked in. I'm on the road. I'm busy. I don't even have fucking time. I don't even have an hour where I could sit down and redo my interview questions for Camille. So I committed to the bit. I was like, hey, it's a WAGs episode.

This is just, this is what we're doing. Because yeah, the WAG thing made sense when there was multiple WAGs. But then when it was just Camille, I probably should have gone back for me. I think the podcast episode is actually really great. I think Camille was phenomenal and I do think it's an interesting world.

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kind of person, you guys, if something is not, like if I'm not 100% behind something, I feel it in my body. It just, it eats me alive. And you can tell, you can tell in the show because it was a great show. Camila was fucking amazing. And actually at this show, which it got cut from the TV show and it didn't make it into the podcast episode, but we had this little mini dating show game where Justin got these three guys and I was like, I couldn't see them.

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Let's start with the show and we start, we're in Chicago. And so I just want everyone to remember when they're watching the show. So Chicago was two days. I was in Chicago for two days, okay? And they made three episodes out of it because that's how much shit happened in two days. So I just want everyone to remember the two podcast shows happened back to back, okay? And then that night they had us go to a bar. None of that made it on the show. And then that night they had us go to a bar,

none of that made it on the show. And then the next day, which is where they pick up, well, the next day was the IVs, which you saw in last week's episode. And then this episode picks up with Beegs and I going to my Uncommon James store in Chicago. And it seems like it's a whole new day, and it's a whole new episode.

It's been a week since you guys have seen the last episode this was right after IVs I just want to just put that in everyone's back pocket so that you know mentally with where I'm at today because I was exhausted I haven't slept the two nights prior obviously the night before it was an emotional beating back-to-back mostly with Johnny and you know this morning I was crying at Ivy's, actually in this sweatsuit. And now, okay, it's like change, go to the Uncommon James store, nothing has happened.

And so Beaks and I do, we go to the store and they have me on the show saying that I wanna clear up that Uncommon James was solely funded by me and that I haven't gotten a penny from my ex. Those interview days are eight hours long. I'm sitting in a chair like this for the entire day with someone peppering me with questions. And then what they do obviously in the edit is they'll like piece them together. And I do say at one point in this episode, I'm just so sick of talking about my marriage because I did say that in the interview chair because they were asking me questions about

my marriage and my ex-husband and everything. And I'm like, I just don't want to talk about it anymore because I think one of the biggest misconceptions about me, or maybe it's not even a misconception, maybe it's just like some of the online bullshit, but you guys have to understand every single interview I do, I get asked about my ex-husband. Every single interview, even if we say, because we do say, before you do an interview, sometimes my publicist will say, hey, the only thing that's off limits is X, Y, and Z. The only thing we, for the most part, will ever say and have said for five years you guys is

I'm not talking about my ex-husband. We say it all the time but a lot of times people will still ask me and it's like one of those situations where I feel like I can't fucking win because I try so hard to never talk about him that is a deal-breaker for me and if I say one tiny, tiny little thing, then everyone goes, she never shuts the fuck up about her ex-husband. Oh, she's still talking about it. It's like, and I see that actually with a lot of other celebrities too. Because sometimes I'm curious, like on it's TikTok mostly, if I see an interview with a celebrity, I will sometimes go into the comments to see if it's a similar

message I guess of what people say. So I saw one with Miley Cyrus. I guess she had commented on her ex marriage and it was similar. Everyone going, she doesn't shut up about him. It's the same shit that people say about me. So it actually kind of made me feel better. But you guys have to understand, and I don't think it's actually anyone listening to this podcast. I can almost guarantee it. I'm sure there's a couple people that hate listen, but it's mostly these like online people who see a clip here or a clip there, read one little interview, you know, quote or whatever it is. But people get asked the same questions over and over and over and over. And I've been divorced for over five years and people still ask me about it.

And it's like I can't win. But it is also part of my story. So if periodically I do say one little thing, well because it's part of my journey. I mean it just, I don't know, that's just one of those situations that is frustrating. But anyways, all that to say is, in the interview chair, I did say I am so sick of talking about my marriage because it's like, I don't actually want to talk about my marriage on my new show. Like let's all move on. But why it's important for me to say I've never gotten a penny from my ex-husband is because I am really proud of everything I have built in my life and everything I am currently doing with my own money. I don't get a penny from my ex-husband. I never have through my divorce. And I think that

is important. It's important for me to clear up because that's why I work so hard is because I'm supporting three children. I have my kids most of the time. And there's another part in this episode where it's at dinner actually, where the edit is a little wonky because I say, you know, I got my kids full time and then it's like, so I only have every other weekend. So let me just clear this up. I did have my kids full time for a while and now I have them except for every other weekend. And I'm not gonna get into the reasoning, the legality around it,

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friends who I've been friends with for 20 years, all three of them. And I'm talking about how dating is kind of tough for me and how my life is planned out two months in advance because for a while there it was. Currently, it's actually not. This is the first time in a long time that my schedule has been kind of clear. It's kind of set through July but after that I'm really not planning anything. But when I filmed this in March my schedule for the next two months was completely planned out and it's because since I only have every other weekend because when I have my kids, I do not go out of town. I do not like, I'm just I'm home with my kids. And so I'm saying how really

I only have every other weekend to date, which is kind of true. Like if someone was in Nashville, of course I could go to dinner, you know, but I typically don't date people in Nashville, which is kind of hard. And I don't love getting a babysitter, to be honest with you, to go to dinner. Like I, because, and it really, maybe it's more of a selfish thing than anything, but well, I would rather just be home with my kids, but I'd rather also just be in bed still by like 9, 9.30 and just be in the routine. Like I'm such a homebody. I love being in the routine. And so I don't know. Maybe I use it as an excuse, but it is what it is. But so, you know, and I was saying the reason why my schedule is planned out two months in advance is because when I don't have my kids, that's when I will go to LA for an Uncommon

James photo shoot or I went to stage coach or got my boobs redone. Like I just, I always have things going on when I don't have my kids. So that's really where I was coming from about that. And so here's another challenging part about doing a reality show is these are 30 minute episodes, but when you take the ads out of them, they're really only about 20 minutes. And so even we can use this dinner as a really good example. We were at dinner for two, two and a half hours. And that whole dinner has to be edited down into a minute, a minute and a half. I mean, it's a very quick, quick dinner as far as the show goes.

So capturing the full essence of a conversation is quite difficult, I would say. The show was an hour long, maybe the dinner scene could have been five minutes. You know, I don't know. But what's hard for me is having lived this dinner and lived this conversation and then seeing it edited down to what it's edited down to

is frustrating because to me it seems like it just escalates so quickly and I don't know, it's like to me it's just like a lot of jumping around. This conversation in the middle of it really made sense to me and the emotions are very real because here's what happened is well also I wasn't drinking and everyone else was which I'm sorry that plays a role I was sober I was tired not only was I just physically tired but obviously I'm emotionally drained because the night before was the Johnny thing and the talent thing and I haven't had a minute to sit with it and really process it.

And by the way, I didn't fully understand why I was so upset until I got home a week later and had a minute to myself because I did not have a minute on the road. And so I'm just still, I'm like, I'm just still really emotional about it. So anyways, you know, we're talking about me dating and it cuts to me in an interview talking about how,

you know, a lot of my friends always ask me about dating and how I'm worth more than that. I'm not talking about these three friends, okay? I would talk about dating all fucking day with Justin Beigs and Shar. These are the people I talked to about it with the most. And I'm talking about more friends, but not my best friends. Friends that I see once in a while where if I haven't seen someone in a while and they're like, so who are you dating? And I'm like, oh okay, hi, good to see you too. Like I'm not literally not referencing my best friends at all. And only a single adult woman would understand what I mean by that. And actually, Beegs and I did a whole podcast

episode about what it's like to be single in your late 30s as a woman. Because unless you've been there, you don't understand it. And Biggs is so great because she didn't meet her now husband until her late 30s. And she was, you know, one of the last ones to be single. And I was always empathetic to it, but I didn't understand it in the way that I do now. And her and I have really bonded over what it's like to be a single woman in your late thirties and how the number one question people want to ask you is, so who are you dating?

And it's like, oh my God, it's like the only thing people ever want to ask me. And that is annoying. And I do think there's aspects to it where, you know, some of the women I'm thinking of specifically like, they're excited to know. Like, it's fun because I have had really good dating stories and I've gone out with, like, interesting people. So I totally get that part of it too.

But I just think when it's like your very first question to me and I haven't seen you in two months, it's like a little jarring. But as a single woman who has been in the dating world for over five years now, throwing the word easy my way is quite honestly the worst word to throw any single person's way. And that is a bit of a trigger for not a trigger but it's it you know what it is. I think for me in this dinner, Justin saying that it's so easy is throwing me because I've had this conversation with Justin 5,000 times and this is the only time he's ever worded it like this.

So I'm actually a little confused and not really understanding why he's saying what he's saying the way he is because every other time that we've talked about it it's not this and I think that's more why I'm kind of defensive at dinner because in my head I'm like you and I usually always see eye to eye on this so why are you battling me on it right now that was the the piece I really, I didn't understand. And I honestly kind of still don't. I think, well, we've talked about it,

but I think it, and he has said, and what we both have said, we were saying the same thing. It was just, it was coming out wrong on his end. And again, using words like easy and like, to me it felt like he was basically saying like, what's the issue? Like this shouldn't be an issue. Where I'm like, Justin, you've been there

every step of the way with me. Like you've seen every guy I've dated. Like, you know what the problems are. And I don't know, I was just, yeah, I was confused by the whole thing, but Justin really always does have my best intentions. And we literally were both so aligned on my dating history and where I'm at in dating,

that that's why it just was like, I'm so confused as to what's happening right now. And we talked about it after we left in the car together from dinner and there were no cameras. And we had a great conversation about it. And then in the car together from dinner and there were no cameras and we had a great conversation about it and then the next morning texted again and I say it on the show but again because I know how he thinks and feels and it just wasn't coming out right at dinner and so I don't think differently of him. I'm not, like I didn't take that personally. It was more just, I was confused

because we've never had an issue like that speaking about my dating life history, whatever. So now we're off to Boston and we traveled, this was Monday during this week, we traveled to Boston and we filmed on the way to Boston. But then once we got to Boston, they actually let us have that night off. This was the real only night that I had off while we're like, Sundays are my only day off in Chicago.

I was filming a TV show, so I wouldn't consider that to be a day off. So Monday night was the only real time I had off without any cameras. And Justin and I went to a sauna place and sweat our asses off and went to Cold Plunge. And that actually was so incredible. I needed that so bad. I got a good night's sleep. I went to bed early, had a good dinner, you know?

And that was what then made me feel re-energized. Like now I could take on the second half of the tour. So I was so thankful for the crew for giving me that night off. I think everyone just kind of knew like, it doesn't do anyone any good to just keep powering through and filming. So Justin and I like, we just needed that so bad.

So then the next day we get to Boston or get to the theater. The Wilbur Theater in Boston was my absolute favorite theater that I had been to on the whole tour. It was just, I don't know, it was like warm and cozy because it was, there were multiple levels of audience of people and it just felt really inviting and cozy. I don't know how else to describe it and also the audience in Boston both nights were just incredible. Super energetic. They were having fun. And Camille came out, who I just I really do. I absolutely adore her.

She's so fun. And I was laughing so hard because when we play the drinking game, Camille had ginger shots because she doesn't drink alcohol. And she calls me out for doing water shots. And I 1,000% had water shots at this show because I had a show the next day. I couldn't drink.

I think at this point I stopped really drinking. Like in Chicago, I did a real shot with my mom actually on stage, which they didn't show that, which is kind of a bummer. And then I had, like, I can't be taking shots. I've told you guys 500 times. But she called me out and I was like, no, Camille, it's not water, like, shut up.

And then at one point, oh, one of the questions that I get asked was, name the athletes that you're talking to or something. And I say, I can't because I'm talking to two. And then it cuts back to me with the kids and how I'm saying that when I get done with the tour, I'm probably going to go to Scottsdale to go meet this athlete that I've been talking to. And I never went actually. What happened was, so I got back on Raya a couple weeks before the tour and I reconnected or I connected

with a couple of these athletes. One of them is this guy that I thought I was gonna go see in Scottsdale. And actually what happened on tour was after the Talon and the Johnny thing, I had a really hard look in the mirror and I was just like, why am I entertaining guys that I know are not my future?

And I was just like, I need to get really serious about who I'm letting into my life and who I'm making time for. And I also was like, I can't get on another plane and go to fucking Scottsdale also after this tour. And I just knew this guy wasn't my forever so I actually just stopped responding I stopped responding to him on tour not proud of it I'm never proud of ghosting I think I talked about this last week but that's what I did so

I never ended up going to Scottsdale and then the other athlete that I started talking to on Raya I actually had met years prior, probably, I don't know, 12, 15, no, probably close to 15 years prior. And we reconnected and I would actually consider him a friend. So that's kind of where I'm at. I never, since I've been back on Raya this year, I have not gone on a date actually. I haven't been on a date this year, which I've said in every interview and everyone's like, what do you mean? I'm like, yeah, everyone thinks I have this like crazy love life and it couldn't be farther from the truth. But anyways, okay, so then we do audience questions in Boston and someone says truth or dare, I picked dare and she wanted me to call Steven or Spencer.

We picked Spencer. I didn't realize I don't even have Spencer's phone number, which I thought was kind of funny. So I call Heidi, and it immediately goes to voicemail, and then I called Talon, who also went to voicemail. What they don't show you is, Heidi called me right back. We talked to Heidi on FaceTime. Talon called me right back.

We also talked to Talon. These people called me back. The audience talked to Heidi on FaceTime. Talon called me right back. We also talked to Talon. These people called me back. The audience got to talk to both of them. And then Camille also came out with Gronk, which was awesome. But I don't know, I just laugh at stuff like that. The drama for the show. No one's picking up my calls.

But you gotta have a little drama for these TV shows. Gotta set the stakes. Gotta have some suspense. So anyways, that was the fourth episode of Honestly Cavallari and a good one at that. You know, listen, I will say guys, I think as far as a network goes, it was a risk, I think, doing a show about my podcast tour,

because in my head, pre-tour, I didn't expect all of this shit to happen. I didn't expect Justin and I to get in a little lovers' quarrel. I didn't expect, obviously, Johnny to come at me or to Talyn to be a drunk of meds. Like, I did not expect any of this stuff, you know? And I kind of thought maybe the show would be kind of boring. But I'll tell you, while this stuff was hard know? And I kind of thought maybe the show would be kind of boring, but I'll tell you, while this stuff was hard to deal with on tour, it has made for a good show. The

show is quick, the show is fast, there is drama, there is stakes, there is like holy shit moments. And so it was worth it in that sense. Like I can definitely look at my own personal life from a producer's lens and be like, well, it made for a good show. So I'm like, yeah, it was worth it. You know? So it's all good. And then, so next, next week is actually, no, sorry, when you're seeing this, tomorrow will be the last two episodes. So not only is it Austin and Craig tomorrow, which is my personal favorite TV episode,

it's also Nikki and Brie Garcia, aka the Bella Twins, which is also another great episode. It's in New York. It's the last one. I'm so jacked up about that. And that's it. So those are the last two episodes. So it's been a quick stint here on E, but it's been a fun one at that. And then next week for the podcast, I'll do a wrap up of those two episodes. So I will see you guys then for that. As always, thank you for listening and I love y'all. Please note that this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.