Let's Be Honest with Kristin Cavallari - Honestly Cavallari Episodes 5 + 6: Boston Pt 2 and NYC

Episode Date: July 1, 2025

Get ready for our final recap episode of Honestly Cavallari! It's time to break down the episode with Craig and Austen, why our headlines really rocked my world, why Craig was so pissed walki...ng off stage, and whether I think he lied to me or not. Then, I talk about the Honestly Cavallari finale with the Garcia twins, Nikki and Bella, and I really am so excited we ended on a high note with these two strong, independent women. Plus, I talk about my journey in the past few weeks being ok with being misunderstood. Then, I remember coming home on such a high from the tour and share why I really loved the ending of Honestly Cavallari. A word from my sponsors:Hiya - Go to hiyahealth.com/HONEST to receive 50% off their best selling children's vitamin. Foria - Get 20% off your first order by visiting foriawellness.com/HONEST or use code HONEST at checkout. Armra - Go to Tryarmra.com/HONEST or enter code HONEST to get 15% off your first order.  Cymbiotika - Go to cymbiotika.com/HONEST for 20% off your order + free shipping today Simply Pop - Go to cokeurl.com/simplyPOP to find out where you can try Simply Pop!Fora - So whether you're looking to plan a trip or build a buisness planning trips - visit foratravel.com/honest and let them know you came from HONEST to learn what it means to travel.For more Let's Be Honest, follow along at:@kristincavallari on Instagram@kristincavallari and @dearmedia on TikTokLet's Be Honest with Kristin Cavallari on YouTubeProduced by Dear Media.This episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct, or indirect financial interest in products, or services referred to in this episode.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 The following podcast is a Dear Media production. This is Let's Be Honest with Kristin Cavallari, a podcast all about getting real and open on everything from sex, relationships, reality TV, wellness, family, and so much more. And just a fair warning, there will probably be some oversharing. Okay, guys, this is it. Kind of bittersweet, but it is the last two episodes of Honestly Cavallari. Episodes five and six.
Starting point is 00:00:32 Today we are gonna recap them. And God, it flew by. I mean, I knew it was gonna fly by. It's only six episodes and it was only four weeks because they aired the first two together and the last two together. But God, it was over in the flash of an eye. So we're going to start with Boston Night Two, which is of course, Craig and Austin. This was actually my favorite live podcast show. I think it was my favorite episode. I don't know, it's hard to say,
Starting point is 00:01:06 but it's definitely up there. It was the most fun I had at a show. I felt like it was my personal best show. I think it's because I was just excited to talk about what happened with Craig Austin and I, because I had never really talked about it for the most part. And there's a real friendship there.
Starting point is 00:01:25 And I just, I, there's an ease, at least on my end. I felt like I had no idea until I watched this, how mad Craig was. I knew night of, you know, my producer told me that they took their microphones off, like you see on the show and that they were mad. But until you actually see it firsthand, I didn't understand the magnitude of it. And so we're going to get there. We're going to get to why he was really mad and I can understand it. But let's back up. Okay, so The episode starts with Justin and I walking around Seaport and I really did want to go and look for
Starting point is 00:02:09 well look at the area because we had been sort of looking at Seaport a couple specific locations for an uncommon James store and I'm kind of I'm happy that I went because Seaport was not what I had expected I don't know. It was super industrial to me and felt like a financial district, which I say on the show. If we open up a store in Boston, I don't think that's where I would do it. So I'm happy that we went and looked around. But this was like another one of the situations where had I not been filming a TV show, I 1000% would have been like, you know what? I know I'm in Boston, but I'm exhausted. So I'm actually
Starting point is 00:02:43 not going to go look at Seaport. Like I'll see it another time because I just would have been too tired and I would have just I wanted to preserve my energy and just probably kind of been in bed all day or like maybe work out or whatever. But I didn't really feel like I could do that. So we did go and look at Seaport and now looking back on it, I'm happy that we did because now we are not pursuing a store there. Also another thing that we did, I don't know if you guys saw me post about Fallon or maybe even saw me on Jimmy Fallon, but Justin and I did go to this workout class like Jump Boston or something to that effect. And we did this workout class in these ridiculous, but so fun, these like bouncy moon boot things.
Starting point is 00:03:23 They almost look like a roller blade. I think I told you guys on the podcast before. They kind of look like a roller blade that then has this like bouncy thing on the bottom. And it was so funny. I'm kind of bummed that got cut from the show because it would have been really great. And Jimmy Fallon and I did those on his show. And this is obviously before I knew what made it and what didn't make it. And so when I told the Fallon producer like you know this was on the show, this is going to, I think, be really funny. It made sense, not knowing that it wasn't actually going to make the show.
Starting point is 00:03:51 Anyways, that's neither here nor there. So let's talk about the Craig and Austin of it all. And I say some of this on the show, but the reason why these particular headlines and this media frenzy was such a big deal for me was because it was the first really big thing after my divorce and You know like the first guy that I dated this comedian after my divorce there were it was written about but it wasn't this like scandalous headline I hadn't dealt with Scandalous headlines other than my actual divorce, but those weren't even like that scandalous headline. I hadn't dealt with scandalous headlines other than my actual divorce, but those
Starting point is 00:04:26 weren't even like that scandalous I would say. I hadn't dealt with like a scandal in, you know, I mean if I was with my ex-husband for 10 years, this was probably a year after, like probably like 12 or 13 years. And so it was a lot for me and this was the first time I had dealt with a scandal as a mom. And so it was, it like really kind of rocked my world. I wanted to kind of like hide out. I remember I like went through this phase where I didn't really wanna leave my house,
Starting point is 00:04:56 which I know like, it sounds awful you guys. And I've gone through phases like that. That's just kind of what happens when you do go through something publicly that's like kind of a big deal and it's like something you're not too excited about. Like I went through moments like that living in LA too back in the day. But it also kind of like makes you question who's in your life if you can trust people. And at the time guys, I really felt like Craig and Austin were adding fuel to the fire and really
Starting point is 00:05:23 trying to capitalize on this. And that to the fire and really trying to capitalize on this. And that was the part that really upset me, like really, really upset me. And, you know, here's the thing with these 20 minute episodes, you could only explain so much. And so really, what was going through my head at the time was like how the love triangle with the three of us came about was because obviously there were rumors of Craig and I hanging out and then Austin like I'll never forget it he went on watch what happens live and Andy had asked him about it and Austin almost kind of like tried to make it seem like it was actually him that was hanging out with me so that's why then people started
Starting point is 00:05:59 getting really confused and that's where I I'm sorry but I'll just say it as a fucking veteran when it comes to this shit, I was like taking a step back and watching it from the outside being like, these motherfuckers are just adding fuel to the fire and it really, it really rubbed me the wrong way because I've always come from the camp of, if you want something to go away, you just don't talk about it. It's that simple because then it will blow over. I say all of this and listen. Where I've gotten to with my comfort level in the public is wild to me actually and it's because of this podcast because I'm talking into a camera by myself I feel
Starting point is 00:06:40 real comfortable and then shit goes everywhere. But even it's funny because I even look at them when I was doing the Back to the Beach podcast, Steven and I played Sip or Spill. This is how I even first heard about the game. And I remember one of the questions was, rank your boyfriends in order of best to worst. And I remember being like, oh my God, I could never do that.
Starting point is 00:06:59 Like I would get in so much trouble. Cut to what, three years later, I would answer that in a heartbeat, you know? I just, I don't know. I've gotten exceptionally comfortable answering things that I quite honestly probably shouldn't be answering even on my podcast or playing separate spill or answering questions from the audience. Like I probably answered more than I should have. You know? I don't know. I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing. It just sort of is what it is. This podcast has made me really comfortable sharing a lot. And I have said, if the Craig Austin and I stuff came out today, I probably wouldn't have cared. It was just where I
Starting point is 00:07:39 was at four years ago, I guess it was. I was in a much more vulnerable state. And listen, there are zero hard feelings there. I don't think they had bad intentions or like any ill will of trying to like capitalize on it. I think it was more just at the time that was my takeaway from it. That's all. But I look back on it and I don't feel that way. What's the what well? Is that true? I look back on it and I Think they were probably excited about the attention is what I would say I don't think they were trying to take advantage of it But I think they were excited about it and I think probably they didn't also know how to navigate it You don't know how to navigate something like that until you've been through it
Starting point is 00:08:20 I mean it took me a lot of trial and error of Living through a lot of bullshit in the press to realize, you know what, if I actually just don't comment, it goes away a lot faster. But that's learned with time. This one is for all of my parents out there. You guys have heard me talk about them a million times and for good reason, but I want to talk to you about Haya Typical children's vitamins are basically just candy in disguise filled with two teaspoons of sugar
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Starting point is 00:13:50 You guys, I didn't know that this was going on. Obviously, Peyton, my social media girl, came back and she said that the boys were giving me shade and then I think a producer was like, they're not happy that you're not saying hi to them. In hindsight, 1000%. They had every right to be like, why the hell is she not saying hi to me? I really just wanted the first time
Starting point is 00:14:12 that I saw them to be on stage. I mean, it was that pure of an intention. I just didn't want anything to come out before we got on stage. But yes, I realized it's not like we're gonna get into the nitty gritty and be like, whatever. Like I knew I could not ask them questions that I wanted to ask on stage So I'm glad I did end up going upstairs and saying hi to them in their green room and then having them come down to mine Because yeah, they were bitter
Starting point is 00:14:35 I mean, I didn't I didn't know they were so bitter and this is the first time I had seen Craig in years I mean since pre-page. Oh, actually, that's not true. I I had seen Craig in years. I mean since pre-Page. Oh actually that's not true. I saw Craig and Paige at the MTV Movie Awards a few years ago. But I mean okay that I saw them one time for five seconds. That was the only time I had seen Craig in years since you know I guess the last time we had hung out. Austin I had seen a few times. Austin came to Nashville. Actually he's come a few times and Justin and I have seen him I think on every occasion that he's come a few times and Justin and I have seen him, I think on every occasion that he's come.
Starting point is 00:15:06 So, and we've kept in touch. So, I've seen Austin, but it was definitely the first time I'd seen Craig in a long ass time. Austin getting makeup is so funny to me. It's so funny to me. I say this with the most love, but these boys watching this show came off like such divas, I think, I personally think, which is really funny to me. I just think they came off like little reality TV divas, but him getting his eyebrows darkened,
Starting point is 00:15:36 I just, I was laughing so hard. So night two in Boston, this crowd was the best crowd. If you were there in the audience, I fucking love you. You guys were awesome. Fucking awesome. This was a Thursday night. Was this a Thursday night? I want to say it was a Thursday night. Maybe a Wednesday. Maybe this was a Wednesday. But either way, the crowd was getting a little lit. They were having fun. They showed up. This theater, I said it last week, but this was my favorite theater on the whole tour So I go out I'm doing my little opening monologue the boys are right, you know to the the side of the stage listening and
Starting point is 00:16:13 You can tell they're like getting a little nervous because I my opening monologue. They don't show a lot of it in the show they'll show like little glimpse glimpses here and there but The gist of my opening monologue was that, you know, my life in the media, I've never felt like I had control over my voice. But you know, this is the one time in my life I want to give them something to write about like, let's, you know, let's give them some damn headlines. I do show that in the show. But and then I'm like, let I want to bring out I'm bringing out people who have been in the headlines with me to like basically talk about exactly what happened, like
Starting point is 00:16:48 pull back the curtain on it. So when I'm saying that, you can tell that they're like, oh shit, like we're going to talk about all of the headlines that we were in. Because I know this now, but I didn't know it at the time. I guess Craig's team had asked my producers to not bring up Paige, which by the way is totally reasonable. That is a very normal ask. I told you guys last week on the podcast, I think it was last week, that I typically go into interviews and say I don't want to talk about my ex-husband. Like there are definitely requests that you can make. That is not out of the ordinary. However, he never said anything to me, so I had no idea. He did not want me to ask about Paige. Also, of
Starting point is 00:17:34 course I'm gonna ask you about Paige. That's the last time you and I saw each other. I want to know if you lied to me about her. Like, what do you mean I'm not gonna bring up Paige? Of course I'm gonna bring up Paige. Are you kidding me? Imagine if Craig came out on my podcast tour and I said nothing about him being single or about what happened with him, me and Paige. Like no I'm sorry Craig come on. Come on buddy. We love you. Use your head, okay? But yeah so Craig is nervous. Oh yeah he says he shouldn't be here. I'm just gonna say is he feeling a little guilty because you know he lied. He knows he lied. I don't know. So like I said there was this love
Starting point is 00:18:11 triangle between Craig Austin and I but then a second love triangle came in when Paige entered the chat and you know listen, Craig did lie to me about Paige. I actually, sorry Craig, I love you. On the show, I went back and read our text messages and it didn't make the show. I think it didn't make it because you can't read someone else's text messages unless they sign a release for it. So, well, yeah, it's nice having my end of it.
Starting point is 00:18:43 Like you kinda needed his end too to really, really get the gist of it or not get the gist of it You get the gist of it from my end But to like really get like the full like meat and potatoes you needed his end to but he did lie to me about Paige He did He did he did he did let's just put that out there. And so I Think there's a little part of him that is just feeling kind of guilty and like caught red-handed. I think he has dug himself into a big old hole
Starting point is 00:19:11 in the press as a whole lately. And this was just one more thing adding to it. But that's all I'm gonna say, Craig. I will not read our text messages. I will not call you out any more than just saying, you did lie to me, you did, and I still love you. Okay, I asked the boys the worst rumor they've ever heard about themselves and Austin says his height online was shorter than he actually is and they're like it
Starting point is 00:19:35 was definitely Madison that changed it. That is so fucking funny to me. Also I hope it was Madison because that is such a genius move. I'm like, if a guy pisses me off, I'm a thousand percent going to go on Wikipedia and change their height to be really short. Okay. So then we play Sipper Spill and Justin comes out to read the questions because Justin did in fact come up with these questions. That was not a lie. And so I think the truth or dare was like a last minute thing because there was a question and then, I think Justin was actually like,
Starting point is 00:20:06 oh, that's stupid, like I don't wanna ask that. So then he said truth or dare. I picked dare because I'm not a little bitch. And he dares me to kiss Craig on the lips. And you know, I love that the boys are acting like, I wanted that, like I'm like, yeah. And you hear Craig say like my Raya date was more than a Raya date.
Starting point is 00:20:25 But can I just remind you guys, I already had my shot in my hand because I was already taking my shot. I wasn't like dying to kiss Craig. I wouldn't have done it even if he was completely single. I still wouldn't have kissed him. And then I get off stage and he's like, by the way, if I wasn't dating someone,
Starting point is 00:20:40 I would have kissed you. Like I'm out there like, aw, Craig wouldn't kiss me. Like bitch, I wasn't trying to kiss you either, what? But the boys get off stage and they're pissed. Craig says this is about the dumbest thing he's ever done. And I mean, I don't know. I just, I didn't know that they were pissed. Or I guess I should say that Craig was pissed.
Starting point is 00:21:03 I don't think Austin was pissed. And I get off stage and I'm so fucking hyped because I felt like that was a great show. Also on stage, I could not tell him the slightest that Craig was upset. I just, I couldn't. And I asked the boys if they had fun and they both said yes.
Starting point is 00:21:17 I'm like, well, okay, I mean, fuck. If you're gonna be bitching about it, at least just say something to me and be like, I just wish you didn't ask me about Paige or like say something. I don't like I don't do that two faced bullshit, man. Also, you can't be two faced or lie on camera. Like this is reality 101, people. You just can't.
Starting point is 00:21:39 You just can't because you will get called out. I mean, you would think they would know this shit by now. All right. So that's episode five. Great episode, my favorite episode. And then we go into episode six, which is the finale, of course. And this podcast episode is with the Garcia Twins, formerly known as the Bella Twins in New York City.
Starting point is 00:22:02 And it starts with Justin and I driving to the city. And I will say, again, if it wasn't for a show, we would have flown. But they did give us the option. Before we left for tour, when we were like booking travel and everything, production asked if we would want to drive. And Justin and I were like, yeah, actually we would, because it would be really fun for camera.
Starting point is 00:22:21 So we were all in on that. And actually, it was kind of fun. And we stopped at this really great cinnamon roll place too and got cinnamon rolls on the way, which I wish I could remember the name because they were fucking incredible. But so you realize very, very early on, I'm not a good co-pilot in the car.
Starting point is 00:22:37 I'm better in the driver's seat. So we switch and now I'm driving. And so I have the Bellas come out for the last show because I've known them for years. I have always from the moment I met them just loved them so much because they're real, they're fun, they're beautiful, they've been through it in the headlines like they get this world and so of course with my whole theme of the podcast tour I thought that they would be great and because you know again I just love them so much and I love strong independent women and I just especially to end the tour with them was so perfect.
Starting point is 00:23:13 So in the car they have us talking about where we should go out tonight. I think I told you guys this before. I wouldn't have gone out if it wasn't for the show and I hate to burst everyone's bubble. I just I'm too much of an old lady these days. This was an exhausting week for me. I wouldn't have gone out if it wasn't for the show and I hate to burst everyone's bubble. I just, I'm too much of an old lady these days. This was an exhausting week for me. It was nonstop. And I went out because I felt sort of like I had to,
Starting point is 00:23:35 you know, and again, I mean, Scoot was in town in New York. This is the first show that he was coming to. So there's also a personal part of me that felt like I needed to, you know, show up for Scoot too. And we went to the gay bars, we went to Flaming Saddles which is so so funny but okay but we'll get there. So they also have me talking about how Harry is also in New York and you know how like oh I basically could have made out with him but then he was on a date with Lucy Hale the night before,
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Starting point is 00:29:24 two little tiffs in our whole friendship. And then we got in two on two, I wouldn't even call them fights, two little TIFs in our whole friendship. And then we got in two on tour, which is crazy. And I think it just speaks to where we were both at emotionally and physically, because we were just exhausted all around. But we're in the car and we're talking about the Q&A that I did, I guess the night before at the show and how someone was basically like,
Starting point is 00:29:47 you do it all and you make it look easy. And I'm like, I know from the outside world I do make it look easy, but like I actually, I don't do as much as people think. And Justin is saying to me that he wishes I would give myself more credit on stage. And it's just not me. I will never ever, ever be able to get up in front of an
Starting point is 00:30:06 audience of people and be like, yeah, you know, I know I do a lot. I work really hard and I'm also a really good mom and I, you know, like I can't do that. And I think part of it is I don't know any different. Like for me, this is just my life. I am someone who just, I thrive on going. Like I don't sit down because once I sit down, I get tired. I crash. Like I don't like being bored. I've been like that my whole life. Or I am just like, go, go, go. That is just in my blood. That's just who I am. And so it feels weird for me to give myself credit for that. And so it feels weird for me to give myself credit for that. But, you know, I think for me it's hard because if I,
Starting point is 00:30:49 to me it felt like it was a criticism of what I could have done better on tour. And in my head I'm like, okay, it's already done. And also that is so out of character for me. And I just, like I'll never do that. And then he changes course and he's like, no, I'm just saying like, you know, I'm like giving you a compliment. And I'm like, no, but that's not how you started. Yeah. If you were like, I wish you would
Starting point is 00:31:14 give yourself more credit because you know, you do do a lot. I'd be like, thank you. I really do appreciate that. But like, I will just never do that. And to me at first, it just felt like he was saying, I should be getting up there and having a different answer. And I'm like, I won't, I can't do that. That was where my frustration was coming from. We actually had this really great moment in the car too because I was like, you know, the best thing I learned in therapy, and I've talked about this on the podcast, was if I'm talking and you're the listener, like here I'm going to tell
Starting point is 00:31:45 you how I feel and then you basically repeat back to me like, okay, I want to make sure this I'm understanding you correctly. So you feel like, you know, no matter what you could never get up in front of an audience and give yourself credit. And so this conversation sort of feels like, like you can't win. And I'd be like, yeah, that's exactly how I feel. And he'd be like, okay, I totally understand that. Okay, now Justin is the talker and I'm the listener. And he's like, you can't win. And I'd be like, yeah, that's exactly how I feel. And he'd be like, okay, I totally understand that. Okay, now Justin is the talker and I'm the listener. And he's like, totally hear you. And that makes complete sense to me.
Starting point is 00:32:12 I am just telling you as a friend of like, I see everything you're doing and I appreciate you. And I'm like, wow, okay, thank you so much. We had that moment in the car and we both actually felt so much better after. But of course, you know, I wish you could, well, in a lot of ways I wish the show was an hour because then we could use a lot more of these real moments.
Starting point is 00:32:32 But I also do think that it's great that the show was quick. So it is what it is, but we did have that really great therapy moment in the car. So we get to New York City and like I said, Scoot is here, which I'm so excited that Scoot's here. You know, he comes in for the last night and I love when the Bellas get to the theater. You know, you can just tell certain people are just made for camera, are made for TV because the Bellas come alive on camera like they've
Starting point is 00:33:06 got personality they've got like they're just so fucking good on camera and I think like you can kind of tell from the whole season like who really pops on camera and who doesn't and the Bellas to me really pop on camera so because it's the last show I'm fucking hyped man like it. Like it's surreal, it's bittersweet. I'm like, this week actually flew by. Like, holy shit, I can't believe I made it to the last show. But I'm like, I'm jacked because of it. And I will say, listen, the audience was kind of a bummer.
Starting point is 00:33:38 And I don't want anyone who was there to take that personally. I know that a lot of people were really excited and were energetic and were trying to interact with me. I'm not saying everybody in the audience. I'm saying as a whole, it was the weakest audience that I experienced on the whole tour. Maybe also because it was also the biggest audience. I also think there's an element because it's New York City and New York and LA are a bit jaded. I'll stand by that. I stand by that. It's just the truth. And so yeah, the audience wasn't
Starting point is 00:34:11 nearly as good as some of the other audiences and some things were not landing and I don't know. I just, it's not a knock because I know that was in the trailer and people were like really taking that personally. It's not a personal knock on anybody who was there and I love everyone who came. And actually, you see later when I'm doing the meet and greet, I mean, I literally was like, no one's gonna be excited to meet me. Cause that was the energy that I felt on stage.
Starting point is 00:34:34 And then actually that was probably my favorite meet and greet because everyone had a story. Everyone was really excited. I mean, like people fucking showed up and I do love meeting people for these moments because you guys, I film my podcast for the most part by myself talking into a camera at my house. And then it just goes out into the world.
Starting point is 00:34:56 I really don't know the impact that it has or how it's resonating for people. I do get DMs and you know, I'll occasionally see comments and stuff but overall like I don't know how much it's making an impact and doing this tour and getting to meet so many of you was the first time I was like wow it actually is really fucking resonating and you know you see because I came home from tour, I got really sick actually for
Starting point is 00:35:27 two days. I was laid out for two days. And then I filmed the podcast, my podcast tour wrap up that they use a little bit of in the finale here when I'm crying. And those emotions were so real. And I'm actually starting to get a little emotional now because getting to see firsthand that so many of you have a story about how my podcast or something that I've been through has helped you and that for me is like okay this is why I'm doing it you know because sometimes I don't know I'm just like you know spitting things against a wall and seeing what sticks and that's why I came home on such a high because of moments like that.
Starting point is 00:36:09 And so I don't want me saying that the audience was kind of a letdown to take that away at all because then the meet and greet like really jacked me up again and I was like, no, I mean, these people fucking care and that makes me care. That's why I'm doing this. And so just, I really don't want anyone to take that personally.
Starting point is 00:36:32 But okay, let's go back to the, to Nikki and Brie. You know, they are just, they're so real and talk about authentic. You guys know I really value authenticity and I really appreciated them coming out and especially Nikki coming off of a divorce and being so open and vulnerable and you know Nikki says because I asked them about you know in the press if there's anything that they've ever read that's actually true because you know most of the time it's not and Nikki
Starting point is 00:36:59 talks about how she's always sort of painted as the villain in the media and yeah I can relate to that. You know, it's just so interesting. I really do think it's like, if you're a woman and you have a really strong personality and you know, she was saying how like on the WWE, she's playing this character, she's like playing this character and like, yeah, she'll body slam a guy on the show. But like, that's not real. That's not her. And I have felt that coming from reality TV and playing a character. You know, it's hard. And I've realized actually during the past month with this show on TV and doing press and all these
Starting point is 00:37:36 things and you know because every time I'm on TV it's like this wave of like all this shit again. And what I've come to the realization of here in the last month is I will forever be misunderstood and I have to just get to a place of being okay with that. And I actually, guys, I really do feel like I'm okay with it now. I really do. I think the very beginning of this show and the press tour and everything, I was like, it was like making me uncomfortable. And I decided, I think it was two weeks into the show, I was like, who gives a flying fuck no matter what? And I've always known this, but no matter what I do or say, A, not everyone's going to agree with it. And B, people are always going to take a shot of context and
Starting point is 00:38:18 always put their own personal lens on what I said from their trauma, how they grew up, their beliefs, their insecurities. We all put a filter on everything in the world. And that's why actually you and I can have the same thing happen to us and have very different experiences. That's why a lot of times siblings have very different experiences of their parents or their aunts or their own sibling dynamic because we all have a different lens that we're looking at the world through. And so I think notoriety, fame, whatever the fuck you want to call it, I think what that means for me is forever being misunderstood and having to be okay with it.
Starting point is 00:39:07 And that's okay. And you know, because the people who get it, which is my podcast listeners, it's you guys. You guys get me. You guys know me. That's what matters to me. You know, it's nothing else matters. It really doesn't matter. So that's what I care about.
Starting point is 00:39:24 And so I really love how honestly Cavaleri ends. And you know, like I said, so we go to Flaming Saddles, this is a gay bar with these gay guys dancing on the bars. It's like the gay version of Coyote Ugly, sort of. And they get me up on the bar dancing. I literally was up there for five seconds because I was kind of uncomfortable being up there. I didn't really want to be up there, but I knew it would be a great shot for the end of the show and it was like all right I'll just I'll fucking do it for two seconds. So I got up there and I'm really happy I did because it was I love how they ended the
Starting point is 00:39:53 show with this moment up on the bar going out in New York City for the final night cutting it with my actual podcast that that emotion was so raw and so real because it was right off of my tour that you can we couldn't have captured that in the interview chair not to that level anyways and so I just it this show you guys has felt so real it was so authentic I'm so happy I did it look now I'm getting emotional again because I got to tell you like after 21 years of being in the entertainment world, this show did what I set out to do. More actually than the podcast tour itself did.
Starting point is 00:40:34 Because doing a show, you know, you got to see way more of the behind the scenes. You got to see me in my house with my kids. You got to see my real life. I mean, my real emotion. the real shit I'm going through. And finally, you got to see me for who I am rather than playing a character. And I'm so thankful to E and Bravo and Peacock and, well, NBC really. And Alex Baskin, who produced the show, and Ailey, my showrunrunner and everyone who worked on the show because My goal was to make it really authentic and everyone who worked on this show made that possible and
Starting point is 00:41:13 It was my favorite show to film as chaotic as this week was I loved it and I midway through tour I was like, I'll never fucking do this again. There's no way I would love to do it again. I'm ready. Let's do it again Let's go on another podcast tour. Let's do way. I would love to do it again. I'm ready. Let's do it again. Let's go on another podcast tour. Let's do a season two. You know, I just know where I was at coming off of this tour. I was on such a fucking high because I accomplished my biggest fear, which was public speaking. I've told you guys, and oh god that felt good. It really felt good. I walked away from this tour thinking if I can do this I can do fucking anything and I feel like I've actually kind of maintained that. And I
Starting point is 00:41:52 love then that the very last scene is with two of my three kids. Jackson was at a friend's house this day. I was like, Mosi you're gonna miss, you're not gonna be in the final scene. He's like, whatever. But I love that they ended with the kids and Camden taught, well both of them, but Camden talking into the camera. It's genius. That's called breaking the fourth wall in the production world where you, you know, like acknowledge the cameras and acknowledge what's going on. And I just, I love those moments because it doesn't get more real than that. And yeah, so thank you guys for watching the show. Thank you for listening to the podcast and just
Starting point is 00:42:30 for being on this journey with me. I really, you know, after the tour I felt really humbled and grateful and I feel that again with the show ending and I don't know. I've just been able to carry those emotions with me and again I'll say it till the day die it's because of you guys you guys have made my whole fucking career possible I'll never take that for granted so thank you as always I love you as always okay and then I am off next week guys so I will see you the following week for Patti Stanger millionaire matchmaker I am so excited about that one. Don't forget though, for the next few Thursdays,
Starting point is 00:43:08 we are gonna continue to have bonus episodes with the actual live podcast shows. And make sure if you're watching it on Peacock, the two final shows will are next week, tomorrow. I don't know guys. I can't keep it all straight. I love you though. I'll see you guys soon.
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