Let's Be Honest with Kristin Cavallari - Justin Meets Montana

Episode Date: April 2, 2024

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The following podcast is a Dear Media production. This is Let's Be Honest with Kristen Cavallari, a podcast all about getting real and open on everything from sex, relationships, reality TV, wellness, family, and so much more. And just a fair warning, there will probably be some oversharing. Welcome in to Let's Be Honest. I'm your host, Kristen Cavallari, and we have Justin Anderson back. Woo woo, hey! What's up, guys? What's up, guys?

What's up, guys? I hope you guys really liked the Montana boys last week. That was fun. Good timing on that, too, because actually, Justin just met Montana. So I know I called Montana his real name last week but that was an interview people love to point that out I know so even my kids asked me why I call him Montana on the podcast when I'll say it again I think it's cute because that's your podcast thing yeah because I've never referred to anyone as their real name and so I want to

keep in spirit with the podcast I mean and last week was different because it was an interview episode I treated that like an interview different because it was an interview episode. I treated that like an interview episode because it was. But now when I'm talking about other people, I'm going to go back to referring to him as Montana. I like that. Thank you. So Justin and Scoot just met Montana for the first time.

We did. We went to the Preds game. It's so funny because me, you and Scoot do so much together. Like we travel together we have we're like a little family like the three of us whatever and it was funny like scoot was nervous like before we were getting ready and we're going to the um the predators hockey game scoot was like i'm really nervous for some reason like what do you because scoot never says he's nervous i'm like about what and he's like what if we just don't like like him he's like because we

can tell that kristen like really really likes this guy anyways long story short we went wait but really quickly for years we've been saying we're like whoever the fourth is like they better be fucking awesome because it's a big deal because i would say we are very close to the three of us and we travel really well together like it's so easy like it was even like kristen do you need a boyfriend? I'm like, I don't know. Bringing someone else into the mix is going to really change things. It is. And I mean, anyone can relate to that. Like when you're, you have a little core group of friends or whatever, bringing in a new person is it's scary. It's, it's hard. So we have been nervous about it for a while. And then we met Mark the other day. So I want to know, and that's it bye thanks for listening

so I want to know okay so well here I'll tell you okay we'll get to that point so what happened was yeah so I've got Preds tickets which we've told you guys about many times and so the four of us went Mark came to my house first we hung out with my kids for a while he came over at like three so my kids came home from school

we all hung out and then we met you guys at the Preds game so we met like an hour before the game to eat. They have this lounge called Alexis Lounge, which is like this bar and there's food and you can go and hang out. So we met down there. I was nervous too. I think I texted you earlier in the day and I was like, I'm nervous just because obviously you want your friends, your best friend to like the guy that you're with. Were you actually nervous? I was a little nervous. Yeah, because Mark has met my kids, obviously, and my mom.

And he's met a lot of the girls that work for me. But I haven't started really introducing him to my friends necessarily. Right. So you're like, you know, and obviously your opinion is very important. So yeah, I was a little nervous. Okay, so we were there earlier than you. So we're waiting there or whatever. And he comes up. I'm not trying to build this up like it's such a big deal. Because I was a little nervous. Okay. So we were there earlier than you. So we're waiting there or whatever. And he comes up.

I'm not trying to build this up like it's such a big deal. Because I was excited. I mean, I thought it was so weird that I hadn't met him yet. And obviously, I know so much about him. Because you and I talk like crazy people with each other. So when he came up, I felt like I knew him right away. I immediately gave him a big hug or whatever. I feel like I've known you forever.

And he was like, same thing. Here's the thing, though. And I'm just going to be shallow for a second. The most gorgeous person I've ever seen in my life. Like scoots, unbelievably attractive, you know? Yes. So I'm not saying like whatever, but he's ridiculous. It's insane.

He's hotter in person, you guys, which I don't even know how that's possible. Everything is perfect on him. Everything. It's like he was sculpted. Like it's, he's chiseled. Like every little feature on him is it doesn't look real it looks like a cartoon when we were sitting there talking i was like looking i'm like it looks like his face is like painted like he's really beautiful and it's the kind of beautiful that like you have to

tell someone like you know what we're doing right now is so freaking shallow i really know that like not everything is about we're gonna get to like but when i there, when we first started talking to him, I'm like, you are so good looking. And I hate doing that with really good looking people because they don't want to hear it all the time. But it's like, you kind of have to say it when they're that good looking. You've got to acknowledge the elephant in the room. Yeah. When your mind is thinking about... I think about the first time I met a couple celebrities in my career, I was so excited for two women in particular, Jennifer Aniston and Kim Basinger. Because when I met a couple celebrities in my career like I was so excited for two women in particular Jennifer Aniston and Kim Basinger because when I was a kid Kim Basinger was the hottest woman in

the world when I first did her hair I was like stuttering and I was like nervous and I had to tell her like blah blah whatever but it feels like the same thing like Mark I was like you're so hot like you guys like he wakes up and I'm like how do you look like that when you just woke up like his little mullet is like a little messy and I'm just like it's it's insane not only is he like beautiful but the biggest standout to me is there's like such a sweetness to him like he has like this like twinkle in his eye like his little smile is like a really thoughtful smile like because there's hot people who you talk to him for three minutes you're like oh my god they're like a fucking douche and like or like you can tell they're kind of like like they know they're super hot like i don't think

mark realizes how hot no that's the thing like his little like grin and the way his eyes twinkle and like he's just a really really great guy and i'm not kidding i mean the four of us were like crazy that night by the way like we never left that table we went to like the last 10 minutes of the game literally we're like should we go watch the game for a few minutes? Probably sat down there for so long, but it really felt like immediately it was just like the four of us and him and Scoot are a really good combination. Well, I had a feeling I've told you Mark reminds me a lot of Scoot. I mean, obviously the age they're both younger, they're both gorgeous, but like they both have this incredibly calming energy where you just like, it's like a very grounding,

stabilizing feeling that I love so much. And I've said that to you. I'm like, Mark literally is scoot. It's crazy. And I'm smiling because it's like, in my own head, I've always thought that like, that would be so good for you. You've said it for you also said someone younger I was like there's no fucking way I would ever yeah and I had nothing to do with this I'm so afraid that like your followers are gonna be like Justin made this happen I had nothing to do with this and by the way I have nothing to like I can never steer you in any direction no Justin has literally tried to be like I think you should like give this guy another chance I'm like literally she'll never listen like I have no say so it's so interesting to me like

as your best friend to kind of just see this happen I was like I seriously always saw something like this happening so meeting him it felt so comfortable and natural like yeah it was just easy right away yeah and scooting him they really do have very similar energies and like a look and like a feel to them like immediately their conversations really i mean the fact that they're both like they both knew it they grew up with amish people oh yeah i forgot about that i mean anyone listening you should try to date a guy who's grew up around the amish because they really great people come from it but um they both kind of grew up in like small towns or whatever and there's like a calmness and a sweetness,

obviously an innocence. An innocence. But they also just like appreciate the right things in life. You know what I mean? They're just like good guys. Good guys. Yeah. And I want to say really quickly,

because we were just having this conversation where two, if I met, I think I actually called him Mark a minute ago. If I met Montana two years ago, I never would have called him Mark a minute ago. If I met Montana two years ago, I never would have given him a chance. In fact, there was another like 26 year old football player at the time. Remember this? Who asked me out and I was like, there's no way like you're so gorgeous. But I was like, but you're way too young for me. So I think it's just interesting. I really am a big believer in timing is everything because it took me having to date a lot of these like high status, like guys with a lot of money or well, all of that. But also I feel like I went on dates with all

different types of guys in the last few years. Like I really experienced every type of guy. I tried to give everyone an opportunity or you know what I mean? And everyone gets around. Actually, not at all. It was literally not at all. But so because of that and because I kept running up against walls being like, I don't like any of these guys. I think I finally, when Montana came into my life,

was at a place where I was like, fuck it. Like, I'll just see where this goes. And even when I first met him, we've talked about this. I really thought like, maybe he would just be like a fun flirt. Like maybe we would hook be like a fun flirt. Like maybe we would hook up kind of a thing.

But then and you said this with Scoot too. Like when you do meet them, you're like, whoa, wait, there's like something real here. And that's something to be said about when people always like people always say like, I want this, this and this or this is my type or whatever. And I've heard women like especially doing hair in my chair, saying those things like women who are like single in L.A. because L.A. is so hard for certain people to date or whatever. And I have heard women like, especially doing hair in my chair, saying those things like women who were like single in LA because LA is so hard for certain people to date or whatever. And I have these women in my chair complaining and they're like, I want this, this and this. I'm like, God, like, well, yeah, good luck with that, first of all. But I feel like we really don't know who we're going to connect with. And sometimes it's the complete opposite. I do know

for Scoot, you know, I've said this this before my ex right before Scoot was 15 years older than me and then Scoot's way younger than me so I wouldn't be a totally different and I never thought that it would happen I was like oh I was hooked up with him he's so hot like we're gonna go out like for a hot date because I was so over dating at that point I had been singing which is where I was too when I met Mark I was like I'm done dating yeah I'm done yeah and you get to that place where you're like I hate whatever and then I was I Scoot and I got matched up or whatever and I was like I'll just have fun with this. Like, I'll go like a hot young guy. Like, maybe we'll have like hot sex, like whatever. And I sat down with him. And I'm not kidding, not to be cheesy. But like, within minutes, I was like, I'm in love with this guy. Like, it was a feeling that I had never felt before. It was just like a calmness. I'm a crazy person. You are in your own sense. You know, we're big personalities. We get excited about everything. So sometimes we think that we're attracted to people who have similar vibes, you know, or who have big personalities. And Scoot was the first person

even like I didn't have any friends that were as calm as Scoot. Oh, yeah. Montana is easily the calmest person in my life. He has the same exact type of energy. And I just remember that feeling when I sat with Scoot and I was like, I've never felt something like this. And then it just kept going and kept getting better and better and better. Yeah, I think that's what it is. It's like it does just keep getting better and better. And like every time I hang out with him, it's like I like him more and more. And that's I mean, obviously, with everyone I've dated in the last few years, it was like I would hang out with someone for a weekend. I'd be so excited. And then I'd hang out with them again. I'd be like,

Oh, I hate them. That was really, always. That's how I never liked anyone for more than two weeks. I was just always waiting for like the text that was just like, I can't fucking stand it. Like he's driving.

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but a date in LA. Apparently it was. And then a date in New York. And I was like, I'm literally done. I can't do it anymore. I had gone on a bunch in the fall, as you guys know. But in the same time, while I did take off a couple of months of dating, I also I'm like a big believer in manifesting. But I had read that you have to like make space for someone new to come in. So, you know, you can pin people on your phone. Right. So I had I've always had an equal number of people

pinned, which has been nine people. And I decided to take someone out of my, out of my pinned people. So I had an empty space. I had one empty space for a pinned person and I cleared a drawer in my closet. And then literally he came into my life. You're a cuckoo bird. You didn't tell me that. Yeah. Cause I don't have anoo bird. You didn't tell me that. Because I don't have an assistant anymore. My assistant used to be pinned. She moved. So I took her off.

But did you think about that when you pulled the pin off? Yes. I said, I'm not going to put someone else in there because I want to save it for a minute. I actually think that's genius. And now it's, you know, Montana. Isn't that wild? So I am now like, oh, that shit works. Well, you're the queen of that stuff.

I am. You really are the queen of putting that energy out there. I mean, I've seen you do so many things. I've manifested some crazy shit for us. Crazy. No, but you are the queen of setting that stuff out. I mean, I think that's so interesting about setting the space though for it. Making space.

That makes sense to me. Wow. Especially like the pinned phone because you look at that every day and I always noticed this empty spot for it and I'm so like particular a little OCD

maybe we're like everything has to be perfect so that was like a big thing to see every time I open up my phone and now it's full so another thing I want to mention too

and then we can go back to the story of like actually hanging out with Montana but so again in the fall in December I dated someone. He was an actor, which we'll call him. I don't even fucking know. What can we call him? Gay boy? You can't say that. Wolverine. Wolverine. Okay. We'll call

him. That's a good one. Wolverine. And I had actually met him years and years ago. You liked him like you were a fan of his. Loved. On paper. On paper. So he came to Nashville once or twice. I went out with him once. You went out with him twice. Maybe it was another like two day stint with this guy. Yeah, it must have been. Okay. So he came to Nashville and well, actually let me back up. We had been talking for probably a week or a couple of weeks before he came and that was all great, but he would send me these pictures. It was like, everything was great. But then he would send me photos and the faces he was making. And just the, it was the weirdest thing. Like, like baby face. Like like you know what it was it was very needy it was it gave me the vibe of like tell me you love me like love me love me like mommy issue

type shit you guys one was also a little girly i mean i'll be a little girly or you say girly i say a little gay yeah it felt a little bit gay i mean i don't want to push a label onto anyone but it was definitely gay i mean i've never off man. Yeah, it definitely was. The weird thing about him though was in person. I thought he was fabulous. So that was you. I liked him in person. So that was the weird thing. Literally in person. I was also like, he's great. Like we had a couple really great dates. We, he and I went to dinner and then we all hung out. Do we went to our press game too, didn't we? Yeah. Oh my gosh.

Ew, that's like our thing. Wait, do you want to know something? There's a restaurant in Nashville. I'll just put it on blast. Husk. Where I take all my dates. You're taking all my dates. I've been on like four dates there.

No, five. I'm going to hang back. They all know you. They probably think I'm fucking crazy. There was a while where I would wear the same dress on a lot of dates. This like little. Did you really? Yeah, I would. This like, or I had a couple that I would go between,

but I would wear the same dress and I would go at all the same restaurants. Oh, multiple in a night? Yeah. At a 6 p.m. dinner and a 9 p.m. dinner. You're just rolling them out. People do that though. Look at me for a drink and then a dinner, a double header. I'm like, how do you do that? Yeah. Well, it gives you a them out. Wait. People do that though. Look at me for a drink and then a dinner. A double header. I'm like, how do you do that?

Yeah. Well, it gives you a good out. Yeah. I think there always should be like an out when you're going on a date that you're not sure how it's going to be. But then like what happens when you. When you actually like the person. Yeah, when you really have fun.

You got to cancel your next date. Which I kind of would always do on all of my dates. Even if I knew it wasn't going anywhere. I'm like, if I'm out, I'm dressed up, I'm drinking. Like it's going to. I'm going to have fun. I couldn't imagine being like, I got a 730. I got to check out.

No, I know. Cause we can have fun in any situation. Okay. But my point is, my point is, so he was here and we had a good time and then he left and we were going to see each other again. But then he started sending me these photos again. And I was like, I am so turned off. Like I can't unsee these photos.

Right. And like everything in my body, like I'm good at listening to my gut. My whole body is like telling me like, end it, end it, end it. And you didn't want me to end it. And you really pushed me to keep going out with this guy. And here's what I think about. Had I been in a place of like being really unhappy, being alone or like ignoring my gut and just like trying to make something work. I never would have met Montana because that was, you know, a couple of months, like two months before. And so I just think it's really important to be in a place of where you have to learn how to trust your body, like

specifically your gut. But also you can't be so like, I don't want to say desperate, but just like in a place of lack where you're going to put up with things, because then you could miss what's actually meant for you. Does that make sense? No, absolutely. I mean, I know what you're saying. You know, I think it's such a bummer when people go into dating situations where they feel any sort of like desperation, like, oh, I'm so sick of being alone. Or I've been going on so many bad dates that I kind of want to force this one, even though you know that it doesn't feel right. But that's something that a lot of people do. I think it also comes with age. That's why I always get nervous when people like get married really young. I mean, you did. I feel like a lot

of times like in your 30s, like you really know more what you're looking for, especially a woman. I really feel like it's like you just you pay attention to the red red flags and you don't waste your time with that stuff. But well, that's the thing. It's like if there is one thing that you're like, I don't know, it's going to get worse. Because by the way, those photos are I can guarantee a little picture into a much bigger issue of like the mommy issue shit. Like how much attention do you. OK, well, that's what we kind of needed to get to because you were telling that story and i know where you're going with it but i think for everybody

listening it really bothered you like a lot really bothered so you were sending me the photos or you were showing to me on the phone and you were like and i know as someone so close to you like that would never work for you it definitely was needy even for me as a gay man if someone was sending me those photos i'd be like can we stop or or and how about this too he says he like sent me a horrible photo and i was like and then he said he said something about like couldn't wait to kiss me or something and i didn't acknowledge it and then i'd be like kept the conversation going he was like oh you're not even gonna say if you want to kiss me or not and i was like i'm not playing i'm not playing this game well i know i don't i hate picture. Did you see what you said?

Also, do those people not have good friends? Like I'd be like, if I showed one of my friends, they'd be like, Justin, stop doing it. You can't do a kissy face to a grown woman. But he was like crying faces. He'd be like in the gym, like being like, or when Montana sends me a picture, I'm like, holy shit. That's the hottest guy I've ever seen. Like, I need that.

I need to be like, as opposed to like, oh my God, I'd never send me a photo ever again. You don't like that needy thing. I mean, that. I need to be like, as opposed to like, oh my God, I never send me a photo ever again. You don't like that needy thing. I mean, that would never work for you. No. Some girls might think those photos are adorable. Oh God. I don't know. Cause to me, it was a red flag and like, there's bigger issues going on here. But I think that's the point of this is like, if there is something that is not sitting well with you, you can't ignore that. You have to acknowledge it and be okay. Being alone where you're just like, I'm not going to force this. I'm not going to make it work because someone better is coming. I think, I think people are going to roll their eyes at you saying that I get what you're saying,

but I think that people, I think also what you're really trying to say is like, you can't you, cause you're so good at this. I watch you like you're really good at feeling your gut what you're really trying to say is like you can't you because you're so good at this I watch you like you're really good at feeling your gut and you're like, no, not doing that or whatever Yeah, a lot of people aren't I know i'm not putting you down I know what you're saying But I think like sometimes in like people don't even realize that like some people just put up with shit when they're dating And if you if things bother you in the first couple weeks of dating somebody they're really gonna bother you three months in Yeah, you know and I think a lot of us like I think about the shit that i put up with in my 20s

like i date someone i can't stand this stuff about him and like it's not gonna go away it's not gonna get better there are things you can work on like communication things of course you're gonna butt heads on certain things you see how the person reacts to you calling them out about things but i'm talking like personality things that are very different from what you're looking for. Like those ics and stuff. Yeah. Those ics are real thing. I mean, that's such like a TikTok thing. I was like, what's an ic? Like, let's name all the ics. Sending me gay photos is an ic. I also think in the beginning of our relationship, I don't think you really learn how someone is until you have those tough conversations. And that's when you can know, like, can we get through hard times

together? Like what's their communication style? Like, do they get nasty and get defensive and like want to attack me? Or like, can they hear my side? Are they empathetic? Like all of you think about that stuff in your twenties? Do you think that's important to me either? And I also got, which God damn it. If I did, man, it would have been, things would have been different. Yeah. But you can't change the password. But the thing is, could you admit to this? I kind of got turned on by drama in my 20s. I thought it was fun.

I thought I thought that meant I was in a serious relationship. I don't know why, because it was both what we were used to from our family dynamic. One hundred percent. Boom, girl. Toxic shit. Work through that. It's so true. I'll tell you what, though, Montana. I'm like, thank fucking God, man. I've done the through that. It's so true. I'll tell you what though, Montana,

I'm like, thank fucking God, man. I've done the work and now it's paying off. I finally have a good guy in my life. Such a good guy. And I was saying to you, you know, whatever ends up happening in this situation, I don't want to predict anything, but with Montana, but I think, yeah, but I think I really do. I don't want to say it right now, but with somebody like Montana, I think you specifically, and I've already told you this, I think he's going to change your life forever in the sense of like the way a guy like that can make you feel and feel calm. And you feel that different kind of energy. Like we were talking about this before.

I think that you and I are so used to thinking we're attracted to like big personalities or we need to be around that kind of stuff. And I know for me, like when I met Scoot, all of a sudden I was around someone who was like calm and they like, I don't know, it changed my life. I could never date the whack jobs that I dated before Scoot ever again. You know, it like changes something in you where you're like, oh, relationships can be easy and it can be calm and I can still be myself and this person will let me be myself. That was the biggest thing that I noticed about Montana the other night is I was really paying attention to how he reacted to you, you know, because people come up to you when we're out. You and I are really loud and we get into

like kind of crazy conversations or whatever. And I've seen in the past, like people that you've been on a date with or a guy that likes you kind of look at us like, what the hell are they talking about? Or like kind of like check out or he would try to match that energy other guys whatever mark was so calm and he kind of like giggled at everything and that was the thing that scoot called out in the car after when we got in the car after of course good and i were like two little gays like i don't know what you think or whatever two little gays and scoot is so good i love hearing how scoot thinks about people because he pays really close attention and scoot's such a person like energy and he's really thoughtful with his words so we got he's also always right

about people he's always if scoot doesn't like somebody i you have to run you have to run like that is a real thing like scoot is all about feeling moved on but when we got in the car scoot immediately was like justin like that makes so much sense to me. He was like, did you see how much like he like understands Kristen? Like he's not he was like he did. The biggest thing that he said that I thought was so interesting. He's like he didn't try to suck the air out of the room. And I think that every time we've been around you with a guy, it's like the guy tries to be a bigger personality than you or like try to compete with me.

Yeah, it's a competition thing or and it doesn't feel authentic because if they really were that personality it would feel natural or whatever but mark was so confident and just like calm yeah and also we are all so close and then scoot the three of us or whatever he could have kind of felt left out or whatever he was so just like in the mix and like really secure with who he was and he's fucking younger so say what you want about younger people it doesn't matter with the age it's a it's a confidence and like how comfortable they are in their own skin also how they're they're raised you know yeah that's i've totally let go of the age thing because it literally is just a number he is

way more mature way more like he we were. He's got that real confidence. We're like, I'm not kidding. Every man in their 40s that I've dated, it's all fake confidence. We've kind of talked about this on a podcast before, so I won't go into it again. But like it ages literally just a number. And I don't know if we've talked about this. I know we've talked about this. I can't remember if we talked about on the podcast or not, but I almost wonder if this generation now like these kids coming up because of social media and because of how like dating culture is such a real thing right now. And so I'm wondering if they are ahead of the time because they have access to this information that like we didn't have in our early twenties. I totally believe that's a real thing.

I think millennials, I'm technically still a millennial and you're definitely a millennial, right? We are totally different than the generation below us because they've had, they also, they talk about their feelings. Guys are way more comfortable. Like they're still masculine. Everyone's like, where are the masculine men? People are still very much masculine or whatever, but masculine men are comfortable talking about feelings. They're not weirded out by things. They know to treat a woman with respect, you know, cause they've heard all of these stories that have happened. And I'm like the worst person at talking about that kind of stuff, like being right with that kind of stuff. Let me tell you about masculine men. But I really think there is

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Oh, bro. Let's finish our story about the Preds. So we all were hanging out. The Preds game was great. And then you and Scoot went home and Montana and I hit Broadway. Which is literally so you. By the way, like, well, because by the way, I had a babysitter, which is far and few between now. Well, that's what I was telling you.

I was like, you go out, you have a babysitter, like go have a good night or whatever. I'm like, I can't go to Broadway. I know. I can't stand in the line and be like, can you get four in? Well, we did. We got a 20 for you. I could never do that.

Ew. When have we ever done that? That's what I think Broadway is now. Every time I see Broadway, it's just packed. There's lines everywhere. It gives me the worst anxiety. Well, I won't go unless I know I can get in right away. Sorry, I just won't. There's lines everywhere. It gives me the worst anxiety. Well, I won't go unless I know

I can get in right away. Sorry. I just won't. I've got contacts for the future. Don't worry. But it was like a random Tuesday night, so Broadway wasn't packed. But also because it was just Montana and I, we went into like some of the smaller little bars. Like we weren't like going to Jason Haldi's like at a table. Like it was

more just like us just getting a drink together or a few drinks. But I had a babysitter and the game ended at 930. So I was like, fuck that. I'm going to go get a drink. Like it was more just like us just getting a drink together or a few drinks. But I had a babysitter and the game ended at 930. So I was like, fuck that. I'm going to go get a drink. I'm having fun. Also, you know,

like in the beginning stages of our relationship, like it's fun. Oh my God. You drink a little more than you usually do. And by the way, man, I don't know

how the fuck I do this. But so we ended up going out really late, really late. And I live 40 minutes from downtown. So then I had to drive home. I didn't get go to bed probably till like two forty five. Woke up at six a.m., made my fucking kids breakfast, packed their goddamn lunches and took them to school. I was like,

how am I alive and awake right now? But I did it. But anyways, you got driven home. You didn't drive. I was not. I never drink and drive. Thank you very much. I got driven. So another time when Montana and I were out on Broadway, we went with like his crew of people. I was wearing heels because, you know, it's what I do. And I know better when I go on Broadway. But you're standing around typically the whole night. By the end of the night, my feet hurt so fucking bad. We're like, I literally couldn't walk. And he was like, take my shoes. I was like, I'm not going to take your shoes. I was was like what are you talking about he literally took his shoes off though and I was and he was walking around Broadway in socks so that I could wear his shoes so my feet didn't hurt and that that's the cutest thing ever but you know what my favorite thing about that is like

you have a shoe thing can you tell that story why is this a thing like with your feet, you have a shoe thing. Can you tell that story? Yeah, let's tell it. Why is this a thing like with your feet hurting you? Let's tell it. Do you have bunions? No. No, this story. Oh my God, you guys. This is one of my favorite stories.

This is a good story. Talk about fucking toxic. Okay, so in my early 20s, God, I was- I don't know why I always think about this story. I was actually probably 19. I can't 19 or 20. Okay. So I had been dating this hockey player at the time and I wish I could say who he just was dating somebody else famous. Like he got it. He was married to someone else and got a divorce and there was violence involved, which that we'll check out after I tell you guys this story. So,

okay. So he was staying at a hotel at the Four Seasons in LA and we had gone out all night and I had jeans tucked into boots, you know, it's like when I was very trendy. And so we go back to his, I was back to his hotel and we're making out and I laid down on the bed and I like stuck my foot out and I was like, can you pull my boot off? He fucking snapped on me and goes, the fuck do you think this is a power trip take off your own fucking boots and i was like what i get shocked every time you tell this story like what the fuck no that's like deep issues like what happened to you no he 100 is abusive 100 then thank god what does that trigger in someone does he think that you're bossing him around i

think yeah i think it's like a power thing but like you guys when i tell you but i was like so scared in the moment that i i honestly didn't say much i think i just and i didn't want to be like fuck you i'm out of here because like that i think then he probably would have actually like oh my gosh you have to be really careful in those situations so i just instead wanted to just be like, okay. But obviously, I never hung out with him ever again. But those are things where it's like, whoa. The fact that he thought that he could act like that with you, though.

Because you've always had that personality. But I guess like that. I'll beat you up. No, but really. I mean, I don't know what I would do in that situation, quite honestly. But yeah, what the fuck? Wait, that story went dark. It seemed more funny when I was thinking about it,

but it was like... No, it was pretty dark. Well, you want to talk about that? Okay. I just, every time you say it's the weirdest thing, but then also, there was also somebody,

a similar thing. There was somebody else here in town. Wait, I don't remember this one, say it. Oh. And remember, like, that you triggered this emotion in him. Oh, and remember hit like that.

You triggered this emotion in him. Oh, my God. OK, yeah. Oh, my God. But that was OK. That's a similar personality, though, to like let a girl like get you to that place. Like, you know, OK, so is that like mommy issues when guys act like that? OK, so let me explain the story.

And then I don't because I don't know. OK, so this other guy that I dated in Nashville a few years ago, he told me I was degrading. So we had gone out and we went back to his house and he told me I was degrading. And I was like degrading. I was like, no one in my life has ever said that to me. Like, am I sassy?

Sure. But like degrading? I've never, ever been accused of that. Because you were being like playful with him? Because I was being playful with him and calling him out for shit. But if you're insecure, you can't handle that. You don't got insecure guys do not like me, right? But he snapped on me.

Same thing. I remember sitting in his kitchen and I was like, whoa, I just have to like fucking calm him down right now. Because I'm actually, again, like kind of scared. What did you say? Like, how did you? Oh my God, you know what happened? So I was like, oh my God, I'm so sorry.

I literally, that's never my intention. Like, blah, blah, blah. And then, wait, what did I say like how did you oh my god you know what happened so i was like oh my god i'm so sorry like i literally that's never my intention like blah blah blah and then and then wait what did i say and then i was like fuck it and i said um i said do you think this has anything to do with your insecurity good for you though by the way fuck this guy and then i got the fuck out of there but like yeah these guys man that when you sense like some anger issues, that kind of like when they can snap on you, you gotta get the fuck out of there. That's so scary. It really is kind of scary.

And this, by the way, this guy is, I mean, he's well known. He, you know. Very well known. Very well known. Yeah. You gotta be, these guys are, so that's why I appreciate Montana.

Okay, yeah. So he could let you. These stories like this. We are so crazy.'s why I appreciate Montana. Okay, yeah. So he could let you... These stories like this. We are so crazy. This shit I've been through. Also, we're like all over the place. We were just on Montana on Broadway a few minutes ago. And then we just went through two other guys.

Oh my God. So you were wearing his boots walking through Broadway? He had on Nikes. I was wearing... I mean, we were leaving the bar, but yeah, I was wearing his Nikes. Did you go to a lesbian bar? That's cute. Lipstick lounge. You got your Nikes on? Yeah, my Nikes and my leather pants. But I just thought that was like so fucking cute. He's literally walking. We're trying to get a car, an Uber out of there. And

he was walking around in his socks. I'm like holding my heels, wearing his big ass Nikes. I just think it's funny that you're on Broadway. In huge Nikes. Yeah, like train wreck. So I was saying to you like this being somebody who is so different for you, like this is a totally different guy, situation, whatever. I was asking you earlier, I'm like, is there anything that kind of stands out to you that you're kind of like unsure about, you know, because it is so different. And you told me that there's really not like it just feels so natural and comfortable. Yeah. And I think sometimes that in itself can be a little

bit scary. Like, why does this feel like so like chill? Like, does that freak you out at all? No, I think because I've had so many shitty experiences. Yeah, I've had a lot of shitty experiences. I also like before I met Montana, like I knew exactly what I wanted. Yeah, I've had a lot of shitty experiences. I also like before I met Montana, like I knew exactly what I wanted, like obviously the age thing that, you know, wasn't what I was manifesting. But but he is everything that I've been wanting. And yeah, it's still say what that is. Speak up, girl. Don't hold back now. I want to hear about it again. All right. Like what are the things that are really important to you right now? Because I think that it's interesting when it changes for people.

Okay. So what's really important to me is, well, I've always said someone who takes accountability, right? For their actions, their whatever's going on. But someone who's just like really supportive and like lets me be me and doesn't want to like steal my shine. And he's quite literally said to me, like, I don't want anything to be about me. Like, I want it to be about you. And it's real i could see it it is we're together and no other guy has done that every other guy has tried to diminish my light and push

me down because everything else in my life has been a threat to them so again it goes back to like that real confidence he's manly obviously he's so fucking hot and i'm like so attracted to him but he's like really manly too he has that real like you really could see him working on a tractor you know and then he looks like that but it's like you know how some guys will do that thing like yeah bro like oh yeah I'll hold I'll lift that thing and it just seems so forced and fake where I'm like nobody does that anymore nobody talks like that like people don't try to make their voices lower or whatever like he's very like masculine and like I don't know there's something so confident about him and it's real.

And it sounds so stupid saying that out loud, but when you see it in person, it really stands out to you when something feels really authentic. I just feel like I've been around so many guys lately who do that whole thing. Yeah, like trying to,

like they try to be that masculine thing and they're so not. And then like talking from other, oh, you're actually really insecure. Yeah, exactly. Like they start saying things like he's just a solid really good guy easy to be around exactly he's a really good guy i think we're a good balance because he's very calm very grounding and he's really he's sweet to me like he's just so sweet to me he's so fucking sweet to my kids

you know like all of those things are really important to me. I think too, like for you, I think you haven't had like a buddy in a while. Like he's like a friend. Yeah. We have fun together. Yeah. It's like, it's fun. It feels like natural. Like, um, and I don't think you've had that for a while. And it's really supportive. Like on both ends, I think like we both really support each other. You know, the one thing that i'm not actively thinking about it but it's definitely like in the back of my mind is you know he wants to have a kid are you choking sorry why did i take a sip of water oh my god yeah oh you know i'm i'm mulling it over.

I see you have another kid. And my goodness, could you imagine that baby? That's why I might have to do it. Kristen, that would be our retirement. That baby would be famous. That baby would be so- Be modeling. Yeah, gorgeous. You know, it's interesting.

I've been actually talking to my kids too. Like, you know, what do you guys think about that? All of my kids are like, yes, do it. And I think, cause my biggest thing is like sailor and my daughter, my youngest is eight, right? Like the thought of going back and starting all over again is like, that's a lot, man. But my kids are old enough now where they can help. That would be nice. I think. Oh yeah. That's a good point. Yeah. yeah and so and i think to do it how do i say this i think like if if if he ends up really being the one that wouldn't like i would have a kid are you for real thinking about this yeah i have to i mean yes like we're yeah i think this is

it's become pretty serious, this relationship, I would say. Does he know? Just kidding. He very much knows. He has no idea we're even dating. Can you imagine? That hard launch, I didn't even ask him about it. I just threw up that picture.

He's like, wait, what? That is so wild that you're bringing that up, though. And that just makes me think even more that it's like, you feel something feels good and like you're open to the conversation and you know that it could be a possibility if this goes somewhere it would have if it's gonna last i would have to have a kid you're so good at making babies i'm gonna make them babies good baby maker also like yeah whatever well and I guess like if I had another one, obviously it would be my last. So I would really just take it all in and enjoy it.

And I did that with Sailor because I thought she'd be my last. But I think it would be different now to like, I don't know, go back. Because like I had all three of mine so close together that like it was pure chaos. Like I blacked out for those years. Like I don't even remember it.

Where now it would just be like, I would enjoy it. I have no idea what it's like to have a baby obviously but that actually makes a lot of sense to me like when you're at a slower part in your life and it's kind of like you could just really enjoy the whole process you're not trying to manage three kids going on yeah and then like the career stuff like right and I think he'd be so hands-on and would just like really help me a lot which would be nice but I mean that is a reality too I mean if you guys go the long run or the long haul whatever do you guys stay together that's very much a reality I'd have to have a kid I wouldn't like want to and by the way I wouldn't because I wouldn't want to like rob him of that like he should have kids in his life, you know? Yeah. I mean,

we'll see. Listen, like it's literally been a couple months, but when you know, you know, no, I love him so much. And my take on that night, you know, we were talking about the importance of like somebody coming into our life because we are so close. We travel and stuff. And it was like, it was so much better than I had imagined I for whatever reason I just had a good feeling about it just because I saw how excited you were and we've always been talking through this whole thing and there were things like I always am like afraid to seem annoying to you in this part of our friendship because when you were talking about I'm constantly saying like Kristen it makes sense like I get it I get it and I don't want to try to

take away from you telling the story but like it really as your friend it really makes sense. Like I get it. I get it. And I don't want to try to take away from you telling the story, but like it really, as your friend, it really makes sense to me, like what you're saying and what you're experiencing. And I'm like, fuck yeah, Kristen, just enjoy it. Like go with it. Like this is what it can and should feel like at times when you're just like when things make sense or whatever. And then seeing you guys together, it's really freaking cute like it's just it makes so much sense like it felt so natural and normal so i'm pumped i mean yeah can you like go back to like the crosby hotel in new york in december when i was like should i just fucking dm him you're like fuck it let's just do it to where we are now it's kind of wild yeah it is but everything in your life is wild that actually feels like the most tame thing anything that we've dealt with that feels pretty tame boring

because you like just sending that dm having no idea what it was going to turn into well and we were all being like so playful and funny that night like never in a million years did i think that you'd be dating a montana boy like, I didn't think it was going to be real. Because of the Z? Yeah, the Z threw me off when I found out it was a Z. I should never actually date a... No, that part is interesting because we were being so

funny that night and like whatever. But I'm telling you that's sometimes what happens when it's the one that you're like, oh, whatever. This is just going to be like a funny flirt or whatever. And then all of a sudden you're like, oh, whatever. This is just gonna be like a funny flirt or whatever. And then all of a sudden you're like, wait, why does this feel really normal? And why is this one making a lot of sense? Yeah. Well, especially because I was like, I'm never I'm never dating again.

That's it. And then here we are. I'm in a relationship. Well, I love that for you. I do, too. I'm happy. So if you're still hating on it, you can go fuck yourself. Go fuck yourself.

Go fuck yourself. OK yourself um okay what else we love montana we really do love him and i'm so excited for you i'm like so happy about it um i think it's so interesting too that like you i mean this is who you are you've always shared everything but like even as i'm sitting here we're talking about i'm like it's so funny to me that you're sharing this with your audience but I also think it's like so beautiful because people have grown up with you. People have been in situations like this. For whatever reason, your love life is really interesting. People have grown up with you. And I mean, I think it's because everyone feels like they are your friend. They know you, you know, you've shared so much.

So this only makes sense that you kind of talk about these things or whatever. Well, and I hope honestly, like if I can inspire any woman to just not settle and do what you ultimately want to do, because if I was thinking about what people's perceptions were, I wouldn't be dating him. Right. You have to like literally live your life for you and not not care what anyone else thinks, I think is ultimately what it is, too. So if me sharing my story can help one woman or man, then, you know, that makes me happy. Work, Oprah.

Love it, girl. Words of wisdom. Yeah. All right. I love you guys. Bye, you guys. We'll see you next week. Bye, guys. I got, I got, I got all the power.

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