Let's Be Honest with Kristin Cavallari - Sara Foster: Therapy, Breakups, and Building an Empire on Her Own Terms

Episode Date: June 30, 2026

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Okay, Sarah, welcome. Hi. Hi. Thank you. I am so excited that you're here. We've spoken on the phone. We have. But this is the first time we've ever actually met.

How have we never met? I don't understand it, honestly. And by the way, because I've known who you are for over 20 years because of our Brody connection. Mm-hmm. How funny is that? I saw him the other night. How is he? Well, first of all, his daughter, they always say they give the first born the dad's face so that the dad knows it's theirs.

I don't know. That's what they... Won't leave it. I don't know. And it's like she has Brody's face. And he's such a good dad. He's, I haven't seen Brody in years or talk to him, actually. But he does seem like such a good dad.

He seems so happy. You guys were serious, though, right? I mean, as serious as you could be for 18 and 22. Right. But it was real. But no, it was very real. He was my first boyfriend in L.A. I can't remember where in the timeline it was.

But, of course, your dad, David Foster, was married to his mom, Linda Thompson. Yes. I think they had split right before Brody and I met. But I met your dad numerous times back in the day. Okay. So this makes sense. So they had just broken up when you guys started dating. That's why we had met.

Right. So that would make sense. Yeah. I've known who you are for all these years. Same. I mean, obviously I watched every episode. Oh, my God. I love you.

And you know Justin. Justin did my hair for 10 years. And he loves you. And he loves for Nashville. And we were all, we were like, who do we go to now? I know. Who do you go to? I go to, you know who I go to?

I go to his name, Sergio Garcia. And he was my another colorist assistant forever. Okay. So now I'm great. Amazing. And it looks good. But I just deemed just in the other day because I'm obsessed with his relationship with his, no, with the niece. Oh. Also Scoot. No, I know what the, by the way, the two cutest nieces on the planet. They're supermodels. It's insane. They're so beautiful. And he's so good with them. He was so sweet. Yeah. He was just out here with them. He didn't respond. He didn't. He didn't. He's the worst. He's also the type that has like 300 unopened text messages. Like how do you funk? He's so sweet. Yeah. He was just out of him. He's just out of him. He's the same. He's Are you that type of person? I have, yeah, but I have, I've, I've diagnosed myself with ADD and anxiety. Okay. So I realized, I used to be like, what is missing in my brain that I don't respond to people? Like, I respond to my children.

I respond to their teachers. But I don't, I'm really bad at responding. And I've realized it's because I have full anxiety. It's because I want to show up and respond with something eloquent and witty and thoughtful. But it overwhelms me and gives me anxiety. So I just put it under the rug. And I'm like, I'll deal with it later. I'll write something nice later.

And then I don't. You never do. So are you opening them? And then you just sort of forget. Because like what I'll do is if I read it, then I'll put unopened. So I know to go back to it. No, I read everything. I just, we're just moving on.

Kristen, I have a lot of issues. Let's talk. I have a lot of issues. I started therapy late in my life. Someone was just saying to me, they were like, have you gone to Hoffman yet? I was like, added to the list, babe. I need to go to like seven places. want to do Hoffman. We have a mutual friend who's been to Hoffman has the best things to say about it.

Yeah. Who we were on a three-way call. We had a three-way. Yeah, our three-way that we had. When did you start therapy? I started therapy. My sister looked at me during COVID and she was like, something happened and she goes, it's time. Like it's time. Had she already been in therapy? Oh, yeah. Okay. So like basically her whole life. So Aaron has been working on herself for many, many, many years. And then my youngest sister Jordan started plant medicine therapy a few years ago. And she credits it to changing her life. What is she doing? Not ayahuasca. Bufo. She just did Bufo. Before that, psilocybin. Yes. Yep. Yep. Yes. And she is, she went from being this introverted, you know, kind of insecure, just not social at all to, I mean, the girl can't stay home now. She's

out to like 3 a.m. at, you know, dancing on tables. Is she doing anything when she's out or she's sober? She just is like... I don't know. I know. I think she's sober. I think she's amazing. Yeah. Would you ever do plant medicine? You know, I know that I should. Oh, I don't know. I don't think it's actually for everybody. I don't think it's for everybody. But I've seen the results. I mean, I truly am my mom. I mean, my mom is 73 years old. And she's done ayahuasca six times. This woman is from Dallas. She was a flight attendant for American Airlines. She is like a buttoned up.

She doesn't drink. She doesn't smoke. She does nothing. She's like a southern grandma. Yeah. She has done ayahuasca now six times. And it has opened up her entire world. It's made her release all the resentment.

I mean, I think she carried on to this. God, I'm really going deep. Let's talk about Botox. We'll get there. We'll get there. That's what I want to talk about. But it's like, it's amazing. I mean, I think it's made her release all the kind of, you know, pain and sadness around the demise of her marriage.

And I mean, it's, it's like, freed her. Yeah. Yeah. It has freed her. I have a girlfriend in Nashville who's been, she's done it twice now and it's completely changed her. Really? I mean, yeah, I've seen it firsthand what it can do. And a large part of me wants to do it, but I am kind of scared. I'm just such a control freak that I really think that I would have a full, I was saying to my sister. I was like, I think I'd be the first, like, I think I'd be the first. ayahuasca death. You know, I also said about, have you ever been to, what's the, not Coachella, the Burning Man. Burning Man. Yes. I literally was so my friend tried to give me to go, I go, I would 100% be the first Burning Man death because I would have, I'd have a full panic. I'd give myself a heart attack. Yeah. Like I wouldn't just like lean into the drugs. I would

overthink it, have a panic attack and die. No, I know. I get that. Yeah. That's funny man's like the one thing. I'm like, I wish I did that in my early 20s. But that should. is sailed. No, but it hasn't, Kristen. Everyone is fine. No, no, no. I'm not going to be a 40 yet. I'm turning 40 yet. I'm turning 40 in January. I'm not going to Burning Man and wearing these tiny little outfits as a mother doing drugs at Burning Man. You know you're 40s are the best, right? Tell me about it. The 20s and 30s are total dress rehearsals. Okay, I love this. How, you're what? Forty-five. 45. Okay, so what can I look forward to? You know, I, I feel like I'm, I'm kind of tired of hearing the whole, like, you just don't care and you're comfortable in your own skin, but it's really.

true. Like, you know how you hear that and people are like, say that. And you're like, okay, it's the same thing as people telling you, oh, I look good because I'm very hydrated. It's a lot of water. It's like, shut up. Tell me what you actually do. It's not just the water you're drinking. But it really is this thing that we put, all the things that I put so much importance on in my 20s and 30s, all the exterior validation that I needed to get me out of bed, to get me to, if I went out at night and didn't feel like I looked attractive or enough people talked to me. I would be like, that was a terrible night. Right. That is, that is how I judged my evenings. I mean, what a vapid sort of existence. And I realized it was because I was an unhealed woman. I was an

unheeled woman who put meaning on things that actually do not matter to me, really, or anyone else. I know. I know. It's true. So you really credit your healing journey. coupled with aging, maturing. Yeah. And I mean, look, could I have gotten to this place at 35 if I had had done the work? I for sure could have. I think I was afraid to do the work. I think work is really hard. You know what they say? It's hard. It is hard. It is scary. And nobody wants to face their lowest qualities. No, not at all. Like therapy kind of makes you go, wow, I kind of suck. You know, I kind of suck. And that is, and that is really hard. I think I've always had really low self-esteem. This is very depressing. But there's, there's, there's, I've always had really low self-esteem. And therapy has helped me with that. Therapy is really, really, I think there's not one human being who would not benefit from a trained professional who can kind of like tell you to stop telling yourself lies. We tell ourselves lies. Of course. All the time.

All the time. We are, you know, someone was saying recently, they were like, someone's opinion is not a fact. Yeah. And it's so true. Like, I think I based a lot of things on other people's opinion. It's like, well, that's just their opinion. That's not real. It's not a fact.

I know. That is a very green place to get to that to realize. Yeah, none of that matters. It's all noise. Where did your low self-esteem come from? I mean, look, I think that, and this is such a played out story. at least if you've ever listened to me on anyone's podcast. But I think when you come from like a broken home, your parents break up when you're young, you have one life with your mom, you have another life

with your dad. How old were you when your parents live? Five. Oh, you were little. I was little, but I remember everything. You do. I think that there's extra pressure on the oldest. Yeah. The oldest is, so it was like, it was three. It was me and then my two little sisters. I think the oldest carries just a different responsibility and a different burden. I was very aware of everything and my mom would talk to me about it. Oh, not when I was five, but like seven. Wow. Yeah, that's young. That's a lot to carry around. It's a lot. It's a lot. And look, in hindsight, I now see my parents. I now look at them as if they are seven years old. Oh, interesting. And I didn't come up with that technique. But it really, is when you start doing that and you realize that they're products of their childhood and their

unhealed stuff, it helps. Yeah. Empathy. You have empathy for your own parents. Totally. Totally. Totally. So what was your relationship with your dad growing up? Because how soon did he and Linda get together then after your parents split? They got together before my parents split. Oh, that's right. Oh, yeah. That's right. Oh, yeah. Now I remember that story. Right. Okay, right. So, okay, so your mom was also dealing with that. Okay. So were you still seeing your dad a lot? Yeah. I mean, look, my dad was an amazing dad. I mean, he was like he never missed a soccer game. He unconditionally loved us. I mean, look, now I can see because he was probably late 30s when they broke up. Now, look, I'm trying to navigate living my life, my social life, my, my, my, my, my, my career life providing doing all the things I'm doing and parenting. I mean, I'm trying to sort of do it all and still find myself and still work on myself and still show up for myself.

But then also my main responsibility is being a parent. Right. And I think for my dad, he was also doing that. Right. He was building his career. He was in love with this woman who wasn't the mother of his children. And I now kind of look at it and I go, it wasn't perfect. It's not ideally how you, you know, would handle things, but it was his story. Right, right. He is David Foster, of course, I mean, one of the biggest music producers in the business. Yeah. As a kid, were you aware of his level, his magnitude, you know, the magnitude of what he was doing and who he was? It's so funny. because I've been asked that, obviously, before. And like, if you were to ask my sisters for them, they were like, they thought, yeah, he was Elvis.

Oh, funny. Okay. Yeah. Because they went to Malibu High. They went to the local public school. And they were kind of the ones that all the kids looked at like, oh, God, you know. Your dad. Your dad produced boys to men.

You've met color. me bad. Like, oh my God, you got, right? And it's not that I didn't think that all that was cool, but I went to Crossroads. Okay, yes. So my best friend whose parents were like Goldie Hawn and Kurt Russell. Yeah. And at the time, they were like the equivalent of, you know, Jacob Allorty. And I'm trying to speak to like, yeah, okay. Imagine like Jacob Allorty and Margot Robbie. Yep. Have children. Yes. It's like that, you know. Yeah. So for me, I was kind of like, oh, it's so sad that my parents are such losers. Literally, yeah.

Like literally. No one cares about David Foster. No, they were like, okay, what? Is it behind the scenes? Right. So it's just, and listen, it's a totally insane way to grow up. Thousand percent. Like, yeah.

You know, it's insane. But yes, of course, I knew. But, you know, we never went to, like, he never took us when he's nominated for the Grammy. I've never been to the Grammys in my life. It wasn't. So it's like, we weren't. fully involved in all of it. But yeah, I mean, look, it's not normal to walk into your house

and like Madonna is like sitting in the kitchen table. You know, so wild. Crazy. That is, I mean, it's cool. You know, it is. No, it's cool. Do you have, who are your godparents, by the way? Do you have like a Madonna godmother or something? That's so funny. Do you know that we do not even have no godparents? Godparents. But I, I remember I said, you know, kids, like they brag about shit or whatever. I remember I told I was in like fifth grade and I remember this girl was being mean to me and I come out something stupid. I can't remember of course I can't remember what and I remember being like well my godmother Celine Dion like I know like I fully lied that is not my godmother I've met her like three times I love that so much did it shut her up I remember yeah I feel like she

was like oh shit sorry I got to be nice to this girl yeah I love it exactly but no I have no godparents and I didn't interesting do your kids have godparents? They do. Is that not? I don't know. Do most people? No, I think it's normal. I think we're just forgot or weird. I don't know. The forgotten children hardly. Yeah. Were you close to Brody and Brandon and everybody? Yeah, I mean, Brandon and Brody were essentially our real brother. I mean, right. So our parents got married when I was five. Brandon was five. Brody was three. Like we were, you know, and they were together. Oh, they got married when you were five. Well, not married, but together. I think they got married when we were eight.

Okay, okay, yeah. But like our entire life. I mean, they broke up when I was maybe 24. Right, right. 23. Yeah. Like, it was our entire life. But you have to understand. I mean, you probably know, we didn't live there. Yeah. We lived with our mom. Yeah. So we, we spent a lot of time together, but we didn't live there. No, it's different. We didn't live with them. It's different. Would you ever go over there? Like for a weekend? Were you with your dad at all? Like every other weekend or anything like that? Yeah. We would go. Yeah, we would go weekend. We would go on vacations. We would go to Canada every summer for one month. Oh, fun. All of us. My dad had this little boat. I know what people are there going to be like, oh, it was a yacht. It was not a yacht. It was like 45 feet. It was very small. And it was, it was six kids, five kids, three adults. And we all just crammed into this for a month. Wow. But it was like, I look back now and I'm like, I think we all like to, or sometimes I like to catastrophize my childhood a little bit. And because sometimes I get comfortable in that narrative. But the truth is there was a lot of great times and a lot of great memories. And that was a really good memory that that summer. And that was just me, my two sisters and Brandon and Brody, you know, 24 hours a day. And we had great times. We had SpaghettiOs for lunch and dinner.

Love it. Like no one knew how to cook, I guess. Right. Right. And I was like, you know what I mean? We literally had SpaghettiOs. And we would wake up at like five in the morning and go fishing. And it was, you know, no divisive.

Yeah, pre all of that. Huge difference. Yeah. What's your relationship with your dad today? Are we talk every day. Aw. He, I mean, look, he's still, I still like, I still, it's that thing where you're like, you still want them to be proud of you.

Yeah, of course. You know what I mean? So I'll be like, oh, dad, did you see that we blah, blah, blah. He's like, you know. Is he proud of you? He must be so proud of you. Yeah, he must be. No, no.

He really is. And he's a really good grandpa to my kids. He's currently teaching my 15-year-old how to drive. Oh, my. gosh. Scary? He took her on Sunset Boulevard. No way. I was like, Dad, you would be arrested. Oh, my God. You would, you're not allowed to do that. You are literally not allowed to do that. Oh, that's so fun. Yeah. He's a great. He's a four year old, five year old. That's, yeah. So yeah, perfect grandparent. You have two kids. I have two kids. 15 and 10. But no, my dad has a five year old son. That's right. With Catherine McKeigh? Yeah. Yeah. Okay, what's your relationship like with her?

She's really amazing. I have to tell you, she really is, it's not easy coming into this family. Yeah, I can imagine. It's not easy. And I think, you know, they've gotten so much, not shit, but. But I mean, yeah. Yeah, like the age difference. What is the age difference?

Well, he's 75 and she's 42. I mean, listen, everyone's got an opinion about something. Everyone has an opinion about something. And you know what? They're like 12 years in and they are happy. Exactly. So there you go. And no one, you know, it's, yeah. I love it. She's a fully consenting lady. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. This is not, this is not like some child bride. This is, she is in her 40s. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. I love that you guys all have a great relationship. Yeah. That's awesome. Yeah. She's, you know what I like. I think it's hard being a step parent, obviously. Of course. I think you want to ride the line of wanting, you know, your partner's kids to like you and wanting to show up as a.

motherly figure, but you also have to have respect for the real mom. And you have, not the real mom, but the biological mom. And I think it's a tough balance. And I think she does it really well. But could she mother you at all? I was about to say, I was like, I am older than her. But is it, yeah, like, what did she be more of a, but I would almost look at her more as like a sister in a way? Well, you know, no, totally. I look at her as a sister. But like, she is my stepmom. She's my dad's wife. So I think it's, it's normal for her to, come in and kind of take over in certain. And she really doesn't do that. And she has, I think that if I was ever a step-parent, it's so important to, yes, want your partner to prioritize the

relationship. But it's the most important for your partner to, like, not make it only about them. So I think it's just, it's so important to be like to remind the partner, you know, No, we can go at any time. Go take your kids to dinner, you know? Because you're a mom. So you get it. So I get it. I mean, I can't imagine. I know, like for me with dating, I will not date someone that doesn't have kids because of what you just said. You have to understand that, of course, you'll be a priority. But my kids right now, while they're living at my house, are going to be first. Yeah. And you just don't get that unless you're a parent. No, you don't, you don't get that. And we have such a short window of time. where we have these kids under our roof and these, you know, formidable years where we have to, it's our responsibility to make sure they're not assholes and that they're not entitled and that they're kind and that they're respectful. And if we sort of lose focus on that for two seconds, it can really make a huge difference. Yeah. Yeah. No, exactly. It's really important. We all know.

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I, if I wrote it, it would be, it would be a real bad show. I produced it. We have a production company called Fatigue Sisters Productions. Love. And we have, we have an overall deal at Disney. So we produce and. And you have favorite daughter. Favorite daughter. My favorite jeans. I love hearing that. They're the best. They're the best. And we, we, we were opening in Nashville and Kristen's not going to be there. I'm so bummed that I'm missing out. I mean, it's with my kids. I feel like. Like, what if I pay you? You understand.

Yeah. Your kids will be like, just tell them, be like, guys, I know you want to go to Cabo. But like, don't you want to go to a favorite daughter store opening? Come on. They might want to reconsider. You guys are going to kill it, though. You're on 12th South, the best street in Nashville.

Yes, we're next to Cézon. It's going to kill. I hope so. How many stores do you guys have? Well, you know that Aaron has an apartment in Nashville. No. Okay. So Aaron, my sister has, her husband has a, he's big in country music.

He's got this company called The Corps and they manage like Bailey Zimmerman and all those people. Yeah. And so he's in Nashville. We used to joke. We're like, does he have a secret family in Nashville? Like, why is he? Always there? But so they got an apartment there.

Amazing. Does she love it? She really loved. They got married there. They got married in Nashville. Where? Do you remember? Yeah, like a farm.

Like outside of Nashville. Blackberry farm? No, no, no. Not that. Not that bougie. Like, but we did. go to Blackberry Farm for her 40. Did you like it? I mean, I think I'm still paying off my credit card from that trip. Absurd. How does everyone, how can everyone afford this place? But by the way,

the first two times I went, I didn't know it was all inclusive. And I was at dinner one night and I was like, you know, should I get like the duck or the chicken? And my waiter was like, I'm going to bring you both. And I was like, are you like, no, no, please. You're kidding me. I was like, no, this is absurd. And then later I found out all the food is included. So I was like, oh. It's like an all you can buffet at the Blackberry Farm. So you should be ordering every entree, by the way. Dang. No, no. I was shocked, but it is all that it's cracked up to be. I'd never been there before and I'll probably never go back. But I will, by the way, why would you? Like for me, it's easy because it's a three-hour drive from my house. But like, you're not going to fly to Nashville.

I got sung by a Hornet. Oh. There. Forget it. Yeah. The guides, the guides were like very, very, very seldom. But, you know, there are Hornets. But it never. happened, you know? And I'm on this hike and I'm like feeling myself in like my sports bra. And I fucking get stuck. No. When I tell you, I think getting stabbed in the neck would have hurt less. It was in the neck? In my neck. No. In my neck at Blackberry Farm. I reacted. I heard that the guides were talking about me for like a month later. I literally, I had friends that went back a month later. And they're like, I think the guide might have been talking. He was talking. Not some lady that went psychotic from the, but it's really painful.

Well, I'm stung by Hornet. I mean, and I got stung by Hornet in my hand and thought I was going to die. So I can only imagine the neck. Like, I'm sorry. No. No. And I literally was like, guys, do you have any Benadryl? I was like, for the, what I'm paying at this place, how do you not have a Benadryl?

No Benadryl. No, Benadryl, nothing. All right. We're never going back. No, we're not going back. No, we're not going. So, Erin, having a place there, is that why you guys chose Nashville for a spot? No.

I mean, we chose, we chose, we chose, we're really trying to. to open. We're trying to really invest in growth right now. And that means opening more stores. So we're in, we were in the Palisades, sadly. Yeah. The fires. Beverly Hills on Beverly Drive were in New York City, Upper East Side on Madison, which is great. And then we always knew that we wanted Nashville or Dallas to be next. I mean, Nashville has exploded. I don't need to tell you. That's crazy. So many people have realized that the quality of life there is just better than so many other places. So we've been kind of circling, waiting for the right opportunity, and it's competitive, you know, to get. I couldn't find a spot on 12th South. I'm like, what do you mean?

You got one. No, yeah, I know. This is, this is crazy. I know. I need your real estate agent, maybe out there. You guys can pass in my way. Yeah, no, I, yeah, no. You should have like an honorary. I'm like, I'm local. You started Nashville. Thank you. I know. It's bullshit. Like, who went there before you, like, okay, Reese went there first. Okay. Yeah. But no, I mean, I'm. I mean, because I've been there since 2012. So I've been there for a minute. No, you're, you started Nashville. Thank you.

I'm going to give you that credit. I appreciate you. So you belong on 12th. I'm going to see what I can do for you. If you can get me a spot, I mean, oh, my God. Can you imagine? And then we're going to go to Dallas next. So you know what?

I'm actually closing my Dallas store. Take it with a grain of salt. I think I'm in the worst. Well, I am in the worst location. Deep L.M. There are shootings all the time. It is like the worst. You would probably go like Highland Park or something.

No, Highland Park doesn't want us. Really? No. It's just like, it's like. What about Austin? It's like Lord of the Flies over here. You're trying to try to get stores space. No, I know.

It's really hard. Go to Austin. I'm about to open Austin. Well, we just, I don't know. We have to do Dallas. But Highland Park, so I guess their whole thing now is like luxury and we're not considered, we're not, we're not luxurious enough for Highland Park. But I love Highland Park.

We were looking at another Knox. Is Knox? Oh, I don't know. Oh, no. I did look at Knox. Yes. You did look at Knox. I did look at Knox.

Yeah, it's good. But they're not calling me back. So, so I know. So I don't, I don't know. And then we want to go to Greenwich. Amazing. Okay, these are great locations. But are you going to move to another place in Dallas or you're just done with Dallas?

We're just going to shut Dallas down. And then we're opening Austin. So we figured that'll be our Texas. See, I don't know the Austin market. It's similar to Nashville. And their South Congress, their main strip is exactly like 12 South. So I'm excited. Just put it in your back pocket.

Okay. You know where Elsa everyone's talking about? Where is Charleston, South Carolina. Yeah, I have a store there too. You guys should a thousand percent. have a store on King Street. I think you and I need to just be neighbors on every street. Yeah. Wait. Everyone is talking about Charleston. No, you a thousand percent. That's our girl. Yes. You need to be in Charleston. You're in Charleston. Yes. King Street. It's the best.

And do you do well there? Yes, it does well. Nashville's our number one. You guys are going to crush. And then I think Austin's ultimately going to be our top. And then Charleston, we also have Chicago. Chicago does well. Yeah. I love Chicago. Yeah. When did people start to take you seriously in Hollywood as a business woman? like a couple days ago. Yeah, I would imagine it probably wasn't easy. No, it really wasn't. I mean, look, for us, we've had, it's so funny, you know, we were at, obviously the show got nominated for an Emmy and we're at the Emmys and people are like, I mean, did this just happen out of nowhere? Like, what? The ride, the trajectory that has been our career, it's not pretty. You know, it is not pretty and it is not a straight line. I'll tell you that. I mean, we're. We're, we we have done, our dad always said to us, he was always like, when something is not working, retreat and attack from a different angle. I like that. And so we both started out our careers in entertainment. I was modeling. I was a VJ on MTV. Then I was hosting another show on MTV. And then all the sudden I got, I auditioned for this movie and I got it. And I was like, oh my God, I'm going to

be Cameron Diaz. And then like the movie was terrible and no one saw. And I was terrible in the movie. Everyone, I'll never forget, someone said, they're like, watching Sarah Foster act is like watching a contestant on a game show who doesn't know the answer. No. So then I was like, okay, well, I guess I should keep acting or maybe I should learn how to act. Oh, my God. And so, like, you know, but then I, I was on that show 90210 for like six years. Yes. Yes. And I was, I was just like really sort of not living up to my potential at all. I was, I needed to work. I needed to pay my bills. I needed to make a living. I needed to have purpose in life because I do believe that if somebody doesn't have purpose, if you do not have something to wake up for, you go into a depression. I mean, and it doesn't mean you have to wake up and go to the job of your dreams. You just have to wake up and do something. If you are a writer who is not currently writing for a show or, you know, something that you deem worthy,

it doesn't matter. Your job is your writer. You need to wake up every day and write. Yeah. Like, no matter what, you just have to be forward. moving. And so then I think things changed when Aaron and I created barely famous. Yeah, yeah. So we created this TV show, you know, like we were surrounded by reality TV. Like my dad and Brandon and Brody had that Princess of Malibu. And then Brandon and Brody's dad, Bruce Jenner and his family had their reality show. And people were always like, well, why aren't the foster girls on any of these shows? We never wanted to be. Yeah, it's interesting. You guys would have really killed it. We just never, not like, not like we thought we were too good for it. We just were like,

No, it's just not for us, you know? And so people were like, it's so weird. They're surrounded by reality TV, but they're not on reality TV. So we wrote a show about two girls who just have zero self-awareness, who like talk shit about reality TV, but who are who are trying to get onto a reality show. Right. Right. And it became this kind of like cult classic. And then all the sudden people started going, oh, wait, those foster girls are funny. Like, oh, wait, those foster girls, maybe they're not, you know, dumb. Maybe they are. Maybe they're talented. Maybe, you know, like, so that shifted things for us. But, but really the thing that shifted for us was in 2017 when we started working at Bumble. Oh, wow. Which was such a weird. Talk about pivots and all the podcast we listen to

and all the panels we listened to about pivoting. This was like a real crazy pivot. This was like, finally we were being taken seriously, his, you know, these actresses and comedy writers. And and we got offered this job to be the creative directors at a tech company. Wow. And it made zero sense. And everyone we look up to was like, you guys are finally getting taken seriously. Maybe stick with that. Don't go take some random, not random, because the company was a half a billion dollar company.

But you're not going to, Hollywood isn't, won't wait for you. Yeah. If you guys go and do this and you don't focus on writing your new show because barely famous had been canceled, it's not going to be good. And we were like, there's something about it that just if we say no to this, we're going to regret it. And if we say yes to this, it might send us down a path that would have never been possible. And it did. It opened up our, we started getting deal flow as investors. We saw how we moved the needle for this company. We learned how to work alongside founders. We learned, you know, marketing. We just, it changed our life. Yeah. That is so cool.

So random. And then when did you guys have the idea to do? Favorite daughter? What'd you say? Favorite daughter? Well, I want to hear about that too, but nobody wants this. Well, Aaron is, Aaron is a brilliant writer. That's not something. I don't believe that's something. Yes, you can like, hone your skills and you can, whatever. But that is, it is innately in her. Yeah. She is like an insanely brilliant writer. And she's always written. I mean, she's written pilot after pilot. and, you know, spec script and this and that. And it's so hard to get anything made.

Oh, I know. It's impossible. It's impossible. So nobody wants this was one of the like 10 shows that we had in development. Oh, wow. And everybody passed on it. Really? Everybody.

Oh, no way. Amazon, Hulu, Apple, FX. Isn't that so funny? Netflix was our last pitch. Wow. By the end of it, we were like, we don't even want Netflix to buy this. No, literally. No, literally, we were like, this is, let's be done. Let's be done and let's go do something else.

How funny. So were you guys so excited, though, when it got picked up? You know, you never know when to actually celebrate in this business. You never freaking know. Yeah. Because there are so many walls that you have to break down to even get to being on air. Well, Netflix can pick it up and then it could still never see the light of day. Or it could be in development forever. Or there's just. There's just so many things that can happen, as you know, that I think we were like, okay, they bought it, but that doesn't mean me. I don't know.

Right. Cool, but. Yeah, you don't go out for champagne, even though, but like, which is just so sad that we're so jaded. I know. And that we're so desensitized to achievements. I know. But I think when you get excited about something that doesn't then end up making

it to air or whatever. You start, I mean, it just, you naturally lose that. You're like, I'm not going to get excited about something because I don't know if it's going to actually cross the line. It's really hard to not constantly be questioning your value and your talent. I mean, I think that Aaron and I have basically spent 20 years going like, well, maybe we're not good. Maybe we're not talented. Maybe we're not funny. Maybe we're not smart. Maybe we're not this. I mean, it's like really sad. Yeah, all that rejection. It's me. It's so much rejection. But we stay on my podcast all the time. we're always like, and we did not come up with this, but it's so true is rejection is redirection. Yes. And if it were not for all the people, like I remember we pitched, we were

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So you recently split up with your 20-year paper. You guys were together for 20 years? 20 years. I mean, And it's so interesting because like we still live together. Right now you guys still live together? Yeah. How does that go? You know, it's it's such an interesting like I'm not dating. Yeah. I mean, I'm sure he is.

But how does that work when you live together? Like I mean, he's a Florida resident. Okay. He's German. He is always on the road. He's in the tennis world. Yeah. He was a professional tennis player for 25 years.

He's and that is I think that is his comfort level. being on the road. Yeah. That is where he hates L.A. So it's nice. Like we have breakfast. When he's in town, we have breakfast and dinner with our kids every day. And there's something to be said. It's not for everybody. Yeah. But there's something to be said about slowly transitioning. It's like if something, nothing crazy happened, I think just we, you know, you kind of grow differently. You kind of grow differently. And I think, I remember like, I feel like he looked at me once. And I was like, oh, he, he does not like respect me anymore.

You know what I mean? And it's sort of like once you, once you start, once you can see someone looking at you with a certain eye, you're kind of like, oh, God. Yeah. But look, it's not, it's not like he did something wrong. I did something wrong. It really, it's so collective. It really is a collective shift.

I love you guys are able to do that. I call it. Oh, I think. He is, this guy has got so much integrity. You will never meet anyone that has a bad thing to say about him. He's very, he has real integrity. He's not, he's not a social climber. Yeah.

He's not a user. He likes who he likes. He doesn't care who you are. Like, he really is, he's a great guy. I love that. I love that you have nice things to say about it. Oh, yeah. It's very sweet.

Oh, yeah. How did you guys tell your kids? You know, it's actually really fucked up. because it was in like page six before we even said anything, which, which I was like, okay, who cares? It's like page six. No one's, you know, but like Valentina's 15, you know, so and then it was like another, you know, once it's in page six, then it's in, not like anyone gives a shit about us. It's like anyone, if anyone who has like five followers breaks up, it's like a whole thing. But it became like a whole thing. Oh, shoot. And so we were like,

and before we had even fully said to, I don't know how. these things happen. I will never understand it. It's still to the day. It's really weird because we had never actually sat down and been like, this is how it's going to look. This is where I'm going to live. This is where you're going to live. This is what we're going to do it. It just, we both sort of like one day knew. Like, we're not. Yeah. This is not what it should be anymore. Like our kids don't look at us with, what's the word? We don't, our kids don't look at us with those eyes of. And, like, our kids don't look at us with those eyes of of this is what I hope to have one day, you know, and that is not good. Yeah, yeah.

It's not good when your kids are looking at other people's relationships going, that's what I want. You know, it's not good. So, but all that being said, we never actually, it just came out, like that, which is so crazy, right? I know. It's really crazy. So then it's just not the younger one.

The younger one is she's 10. It's still, she's like my little unicorn. I don't think she would even know how to Google any, you know. So, but yeah, so then, you know, yeah, like we talked. Yeah. But separately, which we should have done together. Look, we didn't handle it the way it should be handled. So I don't even want to tell people how we handled it because it's not how you should

handle it. But you know what? It's like, who knows what really the right way is and is there a right way? I don't know. I think everyone's situation is different. Yeah. There's been a real beauty. in like doing it slowly for us. Yeah, for sure. No, I think that's great for us. I feel like the rug

wasn't pulled out from them. But in a lot of cases, it has to be. And that's just is what it is. And kids are resilient. Yep. And kids are fine. Kids are fine. But the only thing is I, I really do think I had parents who I knew hated each other. Yeah. And we are creating our kids attachment styles. Yeah. It's on us. And I'm so aware of that because my attachment style is avoidant anxious, which is the worst attachment that you can literally be. I literally should wear a sign being like, don't come near me. Don't come near me. Trust me. You don't want to come near me. So I'm really like cognizant of that with with them. But no, I'm not like dating at all. You haven't been on one date? No. No. Just zero interest.

Yeah. What if you saw your perfect match? Man, your dream guy. But like, what does that even look like? I've never actually experienced that. Do you know, I've never in my life, in my 45 years, I've never experienced being out somewhere and seeing someone and being like, that's my. Like he's so hot. No. You've never been like that.

No, I thought people are hot, but there's a difference between thinking someone's hot and feeling energy, a connection. That is. I have been around so many hot people where I can look at them and go, how are you this hot and I feel nothing? Yeah, that's fair. I still am not trying to like continue the conversation. Yeah, fair, fair. You know? Okay, so you haven't had that like instant soulmate.

Never. Well, not even with Tommy. When I met Tommy, I was with someone else. I was, no, I met Tommy. I was single. Sorry, I met Tommy. I was single. And then that night after meeting him, I went out in New York City to a club called

Bunglo 8. Oh my God. I loved Bunglo, yeah. I met another guy and I started dating him for two years. No way. The night I met Tommy. How funny. Mm-hmm.

So then what happens to you and that guy broke? up and then how did you and Tommy reconnect? I was in Hawaii with my girlfriend and we were flipping the channels and he was playing in the quarterfinals of like the U.S. Open or Australian Open or something. And my girlfriend was like, wasn't that the tennis player you were talking to a couple years ago? He is so hot. I was like, he is so hot. And she was like, you should write him now that you and so and so, you know, aren't seeing

each other anymore. And I was like, no, no, I'm not doing that. That's crazy. And he probably won't even remember me, A. and be, I think I ghosted him. I was like, I can't. And she's like, and I was like, I don't think I have his number. She went in my phone and literally found his number or email and emailed him.

Hey, it's Sarah. So crazy, so random. I see you on TV. No. I go, are you, are you? What is wrong with you? Who? If you're going to do it, at least be like witty.

Right, right. funny, like, it's not that random. He's on NBC. Crazy. You know, like, this is like, yeah, yeah, it's like, not that random. It's like, and. What did he say back? He says to this day, he's like, he's like, I got that email. I got, and I thought to myself, oh, well, someone's single. Oh, my God. I know. I know. I know. And then we just became like pen pals and. Yeah. And, but like, look, I do think that it's great. If you can meet that person in high school or in your young 20s and you have that love story of we've been together 65 years, that's great. Yeah. That is fantastic.

But I think life can be beautiful chapters. Me too. You know, I really do. I think that it all is sort of where it's supposed to be. I completely agree with that. I love that. So are there deal breakers moving forward or we're not even there yet? Deal breakers. I am, you know, I am, I'm trying to figure out if I'm just a really selfish person or if I'm just in my selfish era because I'm so, I genuinely don't think that I have anything to add to a relationship right now.

Because I, I think relationship is about compromise and relationship is about being like, okay, I don't really want to do that, but you want to do that. So let's go do that. Yeah. I don't want to do that right now. You want to know why? Because you're maxed out. You've got so much going on. on with work. You've got your kids. Like, I get that. Yeah. And I'm like kind of living my dream in a lot of ways. Like I was saying outside to the, you're the guest you had on before me. I was like, she was like, how are you? She's like, I'm so tired. I'm like, yeah, I'm really tired. I said in my instinct is to be like, I'm so tired. But I have to stop myself. Because I dreamt about being this tired. Yeah. In my 20s and 30s. I would wake up some days and have nothing to do. And I have nothing to do. Like no one, no one, my phone wasn't ringing. I had no emails. No one was asking me to be anywhere or have a job,

you know, offer me jobs or whatever. When you're an actress or when you're trying to be an actress, you are at the mercy of someone else's opinion of you. Yeah. And that is a, that is an existence that is really tough to keep your self-esteem high and to think of yourself in the way that you should be viewing yourself. And so I stop myself now because, yeah, I'm tired. Of course I'm tired. Of course. Like, we're all tired, right? We're all tired. But I'm really grateful for, I'm really grateful for this life right now. I had like a medical, not a medical scare. But do you ever feel like every time you go to your pap appointment, you're like, oh, it's going to be bad? No. Okay, I, okay, I skipped a two year. I, or I skipped like almost three years. Yeah. Well, I think it's

actually more common now. I don't think, yeah, like I don't go every year anymore. Okay. Well, But still. Okay. I like went almost three years without it. Okay. And a couple months ago, I had this feeling. I was like, it's bad. I know.

And I spent a week just telling myself, like I only have. Yeah. Like get your affairs in order. You have like, like, because I started going like, well, I have this symptom. And then I'm on chat. Cheapit. And I'm doing all these things. This is really stupid.

But there's nothing like that to put your life into such a perspective. There you. And then also my daughter had a health. Anyways, it's all the things we know. Gratitude, gratitude, gratitude. And I'm so grateful as imperfect as it is. Like, this isn't, I didn't want to be single at 45. Like, who wants to be single and who wants to be, you know, it's like not ideal.

But I really do try to reframe. That's all you can do. Exactly. It's all you can do or you will be a depressed person. You just have to reframe. And it's the only thing, it's not the only thing, but it's something that really helps. Everything is perspective. Everything is perspective. And you know what shit, it's nice to have a night by yourself sometimes. Yeah. No. So yeah, I am, I'm okay being selfish right now. Like my kids get all of me.

My kids and my work. My friends don't get me anymore. Yeah. Like my friends, my friendships are suffering too. Yeah. Which. That's okay. Which is, yeah, it's okay. It's definitely, it's definitely okay. But my sort of default browser is like put your robe on at seven. And, get into bed and rot, as my 15-year-old likes to say. It is myself, rotting is my self-care. But by the way, and that's okay. I would rather rot and scroll Instagram than get a facial. A thousand percent. I get that. Literally. I get that. And again, it's a phase. I think when your kids are out of the house, life will look a little different. You'll have more time for your friends. Maybe you'll be dating. Like, I think it's all okay. Yeah. It's going to be okay. It's going to be okay.

By the way, I'm right there with you. I'm like, I don't want to do anything. I don't want to leave my house unless I have to. Yeah. I really don't you. Do you ever. feel like it's kind of exhausting being in a relationship. No, it is. It's work. It's work. And to me, where I'm at right now, it feels like one more thing that would just like need from me. And I'm like, I don't have that capacity. No. And I think like I was always, I was brought up thinking that, you know, your relationship is the thing that should define you. You know, I didn't grow up having female role models. You know, I just didn't have that. I mean, my mom now in hindsight is such a role model because she was a single mom with three kids and had no help and it was a total shit show

and I have so much respect for it. But we were always told that you were not complete unless you were in a relationship. And I just think that's a lie. We've been told. Agreed. I think that we are blowing that stigma right now. I think just collectively as a generation. But I think that's how it was when we were growing up. Everyone put so much emphasis on who your partner was. Yeah. It's funny. And if I'm out in the world, people are like, you're not like with any of it. And I'm like, No. And it's all people react to your energy. So if you're like, no, but do you have anyone for me? Then it's all of a sudden it's like, oh, sad Sarah. Or a little Sarah. Yeah, exactly. But if you're just like, if you just own it and you're just like, oh, no, no, no, I'm, this is the season I'm in. This is people then take that and they go, oh, she's great. Cool. Yeah, exactly. No, it's so true. It's so true. Growing up in Hollywood. Yeah. You know everybody. Who have you dated previously? that we don't know about. I know you probably have some good ones. Oh my. No, I think mine, mine are more

like the ones I didn't date that I think are more. Okay. Who did you want? Like there's, I'll tell you this. There's nobody that that I dated that is not on the internet for me. Like, you know what I mean? Like anyone I dated, it's on the internet. It's not. Leonardo DiCaprio. I need. David Spade. That's not true. I literally, I literally, we laugh about it all the time. Because every time I see him, he's like, please don't take that. Please don't. Please don't. get that removed. Of course. The greatest. It's actually an amazing story. And I'm actually, like, obsessed with David's. No, he's the best. He's like, he's the best. He's actually, any woman would be lucky to date him. He's great. He just, I just never have in the 90s or early

2000s. Do you remember there was this, he was the main guy in Aaron Brockovich, the movie, Aaron Eckhart. He played the guy. The motorcycle guy. Okay. He was the hot of mama bunker. Okay. He was so hot. One day, David's Bay. and Aaron Eckhart, who was the hottest actor at the time, we're having lunch, okay? I see them at Cafe Med. Oh, my God. And I'm literally thinking, I'm like, oh, my God. I'm going to go sit with Aaron Eckhart.

And I'm so excited. I'm like, he's going to ask me out. I could feel it, you know? I love it. I was like, this is going to be amazing, right? So we're all sitting there. And then he is like, oh, shit, he had to leave. Okay.

It's just David and I. And we walk out of the. We walk out a cafe bed and we're hugging and paparazzi. Oh, wow. And so, Aaron Eckhart, nowhere to be found in the picture. Nope, me gone. Aaron Eckhart. Oh, no.

That's how this. So that's how it's, that whole rumor came from those photos. And this is pre-social media. Oh, this was Us Weekly. So it's like whatever you saw in Us Weekly, that was the Bible. Oh, no, that's it. So those pictures run in Us Weekly were hugging outside of Cafe Men. Oh, my God.

And, but by the way, like, I probably should have dated David Spade. He would have treated me like a queen. He really, yeah. And made me laugh. I know. It's true. I just saw him at the Netflix as a joke thing. And I was like, you're the best.

He is. He's, I've known him forever, too. He's the best. And his podcast is amazing. I know. But we, I have never kissed David Spade. But maybe I should have. You should try, maybe.

I love it. I think our time has passed. That ship has failed. I think that ship has ill. What's next career-wise for you? You know, I talk about on our podcast a lot, World's First Podcasts. We don't have as many listeners as Kristen. No, but that name.

You guys have the best names. Like, your podcast name is so good. Well, the world's, we came up with it five years ago because we're like, we're the last people to have a podcast. Everyone, I was like, I think my dentist has a podcast. Everyone has a fucking podcast. I don't like telling people I have one if they don't know because I'm like, it's embarrassing to say.

No, literally. But this was five years ago. I was like, my dog groomer has a podcast. I was like I think we should maybe get a podcast. I don't know. So that's what we call it the world. The world's first. No, it's so good.

Podcasts. But I think that we, and I'm sure I don't know how you feel about this, but I think that we hustle culture has jumped the shark. So I think that hustle culture is different from being ambitious. Yes. Like I think women need to own their ambition. I think being ambitious, I don't know if it's like a male thing, but we've, we like to, it's almost say that like it's a negative.

Yeah. Being an ambitious woman. being an ambitious woman is everything. I think, and it doesn't mean all of our ambition looks differently. You know what I mean? It's like having just any kind of fire in you is, is mandatory. Like, we have to have it and it's good. And I always say there's a line that somebody said that is not my line, but it's follow your envy. Oh. Because I think we all find ourselves feeling jealous or feeling envious of other women. I do it all the time, right? And I used to instead, I would look at someone, you know, be writing a book and being like, oh, God, she has a book. That book's going to be bad. Why would she

have a? And what I realized is, oh, maybe I should actually look at that because maybe I want to write a book. And maybe I'm just afraid that I couldn't or whatever. So my point is, is that I think that now it's sort of like, I have a few female friends who they're really happy being stay at home moms. Like, I know they are. They love it. They thrive in it. They're the CEO of the home. And I think that that is such an incredible job and such a hard job. But I, they're now kind of going, well, I, are we like underachievers? Are we lame? Are we, should we feel bad about ourselves? I know. Okay. So maybe, all right, I'm going to go start a business. And I said to my girlfriend that I go, if you are not waking up at two in the morning going, I have to, I want to start this

business. If I don't start this business, I will never forgive myself. I, I, this is like something I'm desperate to do because I love it, then don't fucking do it. Yeah. Agreed. Too many women are now feeling this pressure. Everyone is not supposed to be an entrepreneur. Agreed. It is not for everyone. Yeah. And that is okay. Yeah, exactly. You know? And so I do think we have to sort of like, like recalibrate a little bit. Like we need to rewire because now it's like, it's just designed to make women feel bad about themselves. Of course. And, And then you sort of forget, like, who am I? What do I even want? Like, we all need to just sort of start from zero and write it out, write out what we want our life to look like, how we want our life to feel. And then put that on your fridge as your North Star. And if it doesn't align with starting a business, don't fucking start a business. Everyone doesn't need to start a business. Yes. I love that. That's great advice. Yeah. I agree. You're enough being the CEO of your house. I love the CEO of your house. The CEO of your house.

That's a lot of fucking work, by the way. I pay someone to be the CEO of my. It is a job. No, it's a lot of work. So I love that. It is a lot of freaking work. And I'm just so sick and tired of women now feeling bad about themselves if they don't have a brand, a podcast, a, you know, a this, a that.

It's like, that's too much. It's not for everyone. No, no, it's too much. That's, I love that. We're going to end on that, no, because it's so good. But I do want to play a game with you. Okay, it's play a game. Okay, it's hot or not.

Okay. So, and I don't know, maybe it's too soon to answer some of these, but I'm going to give you a scenario about a guy, and I just want you to tell me if you think it's hot or not. Okay. All right, he's an actor. Not hot. Not hot. He wants you to pick the restaurant on the first date. I mean, I think it's okay. Like take charge. I like an alpha. Yes. I don't want to be an alpha. Someone said to me recently like, you're an alpha. And I was like, but I don't want to be. Not in relationship. You want to, in your everyday life, sure. But in a relationship. I like Tarzan Jane. Call me old fashion. Call me anti-feminine. I don't give a shit. I am not attracted to a beta. Yeah.

You want to turn your brain off. It would really be nice to just like not have to deal with the passport. No, a thousand percent. I don't know. Send the passenger seat for once. Like, so I don't. And Tommy is an alpha. So I'm not saying he's not.

But I'm just saying in general, too many beta guys. Agreed. Not for me. I agree. For a lot of people. Not for me. Yes, agreed. Okay, he's California sober. Wait, is that...

So that's not drinking, but we'll smoke pot. We'll dabble with mushrooms. We'll do a little of this, a little of that. Well, I'm kind of, because I don't drink. Oh, okay. Well, you dabble with... But I'm not sober. Right, right. Right. So that's... So that's... So you're okay with it. Sure. Okay, I love that for you. Yeah. How long have you not drank for? You know, like, I've never been, like, wasted in my life. Love that for you. I'm allergic. Come get martinis with me tonight. I'm allergic to. I'm allergic to... I'm allergic to, like, I'm actually, I think, allergic to alcohol. No, that's good.

That's good. I know. Be happy about that. But I love beer. Okay. Yeah. I love a beer. Yeah.

I love a cold beer. Yeah. Yeah. It is good. Okay. I love this. Okay. He's worked with your dad.

Oh. Yeah. Fine. Hot? Yeah, sure. He's a trust fun baby. Okay. What I will say about that is that's fine.

I think if you're a trust fund baby, but I think as long as you, as you, you don't have a chip on your shoulder about that. As long as you are not trying to, because that cannot, that's hard, you know, especially for a guy. If you're a trust fund baby that has no work ethic and entitlement issues and is deeply insecure because of the fact that you are a trust fund baby, that's not. Great answer. But you can't like blame someone for having a trust fund. I wish I had a trust fund. No, literally. Please, I wish I had one. No, I know. I'd love one. That's a great answer. He does not have kids. Oh. I mean, you know, I really think that we have to be so careful because on paper, you and I are not desirable. Okay, on paper. Fair. Single 40. Multiple kids.

Yeah. Multiple kids. Career women. Ambitious. Fair. Most guys would be like, oh, that's a headache. True. Right? But they meet you. Where they meet. And they go like, just. Just kidding. Those steel breakers are out. Yeah. Yeah. Like, for, again. So, like, I just...

Good point. I don't know. So we're open. Sure. Okay. I like this. Yeah. He's not in entertainment at all.

He's just a normal Joe Schmo. Okay. Again. Right. Like, he's works at Starbucks. Like, is he happy working at Starbubon? Right, right. I don't know.

Like, what does that mean? I think it's all about... Look, I think it's a complicated dynamic if a woman makes a lot of... lot more money than the guy. I wish I, I know a lot of people are try to be say the thing that everybody wants to hear and but I do think that that is a complicated dynamic. I think it works for some people. But I think men innately are providers and want to be providers. And I do think that that's not fair to them. It's a lot of pressure and it shouldn't be like that. But it's like they're hardwired to be that. So if they're not that and the woman is, I think that that can add a layer of

complication, not for everybody. Yep. But it might be complicated for me. Yep. Agreed. Okay. It doesn't mean I need like a yacht and a plane. I don't care. I don't care about that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. He wants to introduce you to his kids after three dates. So he's moving quickly. That's weird. Weird. Not hot. That's weird. He's a musician. No, that's not hot. I know. He's best friends with his ex. If you have kids, I think that's great. Okay. Great answer. Okay. That's it. You are the best. I. I, I am so happy that you came and you did this. Wait, was I boring?

I feel like was I boring? No, I wouldn't, we can keep going. Oh, my God, good, good, God. I'll talk to you forever. Are you kidding me? No, you're actually one of my favorite guests I've ever had. Shut the fuck up. I swear to God, because I just feel like I just get you and I feel like I could just see her

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