Let's Be Honest with Kristin Cavallari - Secrets Of A Supermodel with Miranda Kerr

Episode Date: August 4, 2026

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The following podcast is a Dear Media production. This is Let's Be Honest with Kristen Cavalry, a podcast all about getting real and open on everything from sex, relationships, reality TV, wellness, family, and so much more. And just a fair warning, there will probably be some oversharing. Hi. You just energized the room for us. Smells amazing. Played it with the Palo Santa. Nice.

And peppermints. Peppermints are uplifting and invigorating. I love it. You're my lighting queen now. You just gave me a whole lesson on lighting. Lighting is everything. It's very important, I have to say. And also it helps with your mood and everything if you have the right lighting.

People don't realize, but been in the industry for way too long, like the lighting really affects. It makes a difference. Once you experience bad lighting, you're like, oh my God, I never want to do that over again. Makes a difference. So we've actually never met. This is the first time we've met, but we both had pop-ups at the Grove. Do you remember this a million years ago? Yes. You had Quora Organics. I had Uncommon James. And I remember all of the girls that worked for me at the time said how sweet you are.

I mean, everyone truly, your reputation is that you are the nicest woman on the planet. It's great. That's really nice to you. Yeah, it's sweet. I just like giving people their flowers. That's really nice. Yeah. Well, it comes from, I believe, like, being kind and I teach this to my children is the most important. thing you can do. It is. It all comes from your heart. So it's like it's really nice to be recognized for that. So thank you. Yeah, of course. Yeah. So you're 43. I am. And you literally haven't aged a day. You still look the same as you did when you were 25. It's the lighting. I don't know. I'm looking at you in the flesh and it's not the lighting. So I of course, we're going to get to all the beauty things, right? We have to. But I want to start because I think

you and I probably agree that a lot of it is regulating your nervous system. Oh, yes. That's my number one thing. Is it? Yeah. Okay, so tell me, I want to know how you start your day, your morning routine and what you're doing to regulate your nervous system. Okay. So I was very fortunate to be introduced to meditation when I was 17 and yoga actually around the same time. And so having that practice was really just something that I had in my toolkit to help me get through those moments of life that are inevitably chance. challenging that sometimes you're absolutely exhausted. And I also grew up with a family that believes in God. And the power of prayer and the power of gratitude is something that I turn to all the time. And integrating kind of like the meditation with my belief in God and connecting to God when I meditate is something that I find like really invigorating and grounding and no matter what's happening in my world, I feel like I can find peace within. And there is an interconnectedness there with everyone. Like we're all interconnected. And there's no separation.

And when you come from that space of love, so many wonderful things unfold in your life. And so I've been trying to teach my children that. Yeah. How's that going? Well, they're really sweet. They're really sweet. So four boys. The youngest one is two and he's all love. He's just coming from his heart. But, you know, all times. So he hasn't been taught meditation. But my other three boys were taught Vedic meditation. So they each have their own mantra, like an individual mantra. We had a ceremony. And my dear friend, Patty, from Uma mother, she came over to the house and we had, you know, a little ceremony where they, it's a ceremony. which, you know, got to do their mantra and then practice their mantra with their eyes closed. And for each child, it's how old they are is, you know, the amount of time that ideally they should be able to do that mantra with their eyes closed.

That's very cool. So for my six-year-old, ideally he would sit there six minutes with his eyes closed and just focus on his mantra, which is kind of like going down to the deepest part of himself. But in addition to that, like, that's one little thing I wanted them to have in their toolkit because I thought, how amazing to have that at such a young age. And my teenager, who's 15, actually really enjoys it so much that he introduced it to his girlfriend and his girlfriend introduced it to a group of her friends. And now they collectively meditate together.

What? Yeah. That's amazing. My kids would never. Well, they would if they understood how. how like energizing and magic it is. True. And you don't understand that until you try.

And there's no such thing as a bad meditation. And I've had many different types of meditation along the journey. And sometimes frustration will come up and they talk about the monkey mind. And that's okay. Like there's no judgment. There's just awareness. Right. And that is a way for your nervous system to de-stress.

And I think the world that we're living in today is so fast-paced. and there's so much coming at us. There's so much externally that people are kind of thinking, do I need to do this? Do I need to do that to be happy? But hey, like, honestly, I feel with my whole heart is like, happiness is an inside job. And it's something you have to cultivate and water daily,

like you're watering the flower. And that is when, you know, and so that's why a daily meditation practice for me has been essential because, and it's not easy, you know, there are days when I'm like, oh, I really want to do this. Like, of course, we're all human. We're like, I'd rather just like, do something else or just like, let's just get disconnected and like, you know, get on the email. Oh, I've got so much to do.

No, just take that 20 minutes for yourself. And you'll feel so much better and you will, it'll set the tone for the rest of your day. It's so true. So every morning, 20 minutes. As a minimum. Oh, wow. what's the longest you've gone? Well, like an hour, but.

It's amazing. Yeah, but here's the thing. Like, I've started with Vedic, but now I'm also, after doing Vedic, I'm leaning into some of Joe dispenses and meditations, which are like about opening the heart and then elevating that heart up to the mind and expanding the mind and then access in the pineal gland

and all the research behind that. And so I'm adding that on at the end of my Vedic meditation. So that can be, you know, as little as 16 minutes in addition to my other meditation. So oftentimes I might wake up at 5 or 4.30 and I'm like, and I feel good. I'm awake. I'm like, okay, I'm going to do my meditation and I have more time to meditate then. And that to me is like really instrumental for me to feel my best and give my best. So when I feel like my cup is full, I can give so much more. Exactly. I notice a huge difference when meditation is a practice of mine when I'm actively doing it. And then I can tell when I'm not. And now you're inspiring me to get back into it. It doesn't make a huge difference. Okay. So you're waking up. You're meditating. And then where does the morning take you? Yep. I like to open the blinds and the curtains and let that light in. And I get the boys, you know, to come in and we get all the light, you know, because I think that morning light is so good to kind of use circadian rhythm. Are you going outside and grounding?

Just getting the light in. The light just is coming in. I wish I had more time to go out and ground. We sometimes do. But to rally all of them at the same time, yeah, once here, once there is. In the morning when they all come running to my room, at least they get the light, you know, that way. And if we have time when we go downstairs, we'll go and put our feet in the grass. Amazing.

I love that you're raising your kids like that. It is important. Yeah, these little tools. And they know that this is just a way to kind of reboot, re-energize. Yeah. And oftentimes I'll be doing my meditation and, you know, one of the boys will join me and they'll sit and they'll do there. I'll be like, okay, I'll put the six minute timer on and then he'll sit with me like, do his little meditation. I love it. What about screens? When will you first pick up a screen in the morning? Well, here's the thing. I kind of like have it there as a clock, which I don't

think that doesn't count. I should, you know, but I don't really go dive into emails until after the kids are at school. That's great. So a few hours before you're active on a phone. Do your kids have phones? Only the teenager. He has his phone. And then that gets taken away at night. And then it comes back on again around seven. Perfect. Seven on seven 30. I need to check. Yeah. Yeah. Is that you take the phone from him or you have the parental controls on it? I do both. Okay. Yeah. So we've been doing both. And it depends on like how his attitude has been, how he's doing at school. So if he wants, you know, but like, lately, they've actually, he's actually been handing them in, but like 930, which is, I think, the most beneficial. But there was a point where there was pushback and I was like, well, they're all going to be turned off. So there's nothing that you can do to. Doesn't matter anyway. You know, it doesn't matter anyway. And he's like, well, I just like the idea of having them. So we've been through that and now we're back to like having them outside the room. So we'll see how long that lasts. But, you know, I told him, I was like,

this is my first time being a parent to a teenager. I'm trying to figure this out with you and, like, try and help you so that you become the best version of yourself and you're not like consumed by a device. Exactly. And unfortunately, you know, he needs the device for his school. So that's the thing. I mean, I kind of wish in a way that they didn't, but I guess this is the world where living in. And so it's necessary to be educated on. Yeah. I've struggled with that too. It is. Yeah. They would give the kids. I had an iPad, not an iPad, a laptop in like kindergarten. And I was like, this is outrageous. Yeah, no. I don't know. My kids having these. It only happened for Flynn, you know, after, like in

middle school. Yeah. And that's so much better. Yeah. And then your husband, of course, created Snapchat. Yes. Do you let Flynn have Snapchat? Yeah, Flynn has Snapchat. That's the only way him and his friends communicate. Yeah, that's what they do. I'll send a text and he doesn't respond. I'll send a snap. Yeah. I'll respond straight away. I know. I'm like, okay, buddy. I know. It's so funny. So, So you're on Snap? Yeah, yeah, of course. It's fun. It is fun. Will you and Evan? All day. You guys are snapping each other. Little photos, little videos of the kids. Like, I love it. That's how we communicate. Yeah, it's fun. And it's just, I don't know, there's so much more life and joy to communicate that way rather than just a text. Yeah, it makes it more fun. Yeah. They've done studies showing there was multiple different studies that were done showing how when people interact with Snapchat,

it does create like a lot of positive feelings. It doesn't do what the other apps do and create like negative feelings. Like they feel safe to be themselves. I like that. On Snap and to just, you know, communicate with their friends. And that's what it's made for. It's made as a communication tool for their friends. Right. Exactly. Well, yeah. And I do all the filters. I think it's funny. It's funny. Yeah. Yeah. I love that. Okay. Let's talk about ladder. Maybe you don't know what to do at the gym or. you're just tired of doing random workouts from YouTube or Instagram and not getting any results. Well, Latter gives you a real plan from an expert coach.

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I love microcurrent. That's something I've been into, I mean, I guess for a while, like with the new face. And then I've just started incorporating it again. I also have another thing called a V-roll, which kind of is like a microcurrent device. And then I have red lights that I don't necessarily use on my face, even though I do have them. For your body? I do the one for my body. I have the Weber laser mat, which is like really great for the body. And I don't know what this is. It has like low level laser and then infrared as well. So I have all that going on. But you know what the thing is?

I didn't realize you really meant to be in it like naked. You're not supposed to be in your pajamas. Right. And I was going in in my pajamas. And I'm like really all this time here I'm thinking I'm doing all this healing. So now we're getting. Now we're getting undressed. Yeah.

I love that for you. And then I have another mat that I sit on. It's a cell regulation mat. It helps with ATP production. And I really like that. There is an active setting, which is really great for giving you energy. There's a sleep setting and there's like a nature setting. So if you want to go out and put your feet in the grass and maybe it's raining outside

or maybe you're in a hotel and you can't go out and put your feet in the grass, you just put this mat on and it really is like supposedly generates those same kind of production as when you're putting your feet in the grass. Cool. Yeah, that's from cell optimizing and it's a company from Norway. I'll be buying that one. Yeah. Okay, great. Those are my like must-haves. And then I have a lima device as well that I keep next to the bed and do the lima light. I don't know what any of this stuff is. You don't? No, I'm missing out, but after this, I'm going to be taking notes and going and buying everything. Okay. Okay. What does that do? I'm very much into health and tech. Yeah, okay. That's my thing. I love that. Okay. So the lima. is supposed to help with, like, your skin.

It's like a type of light for your skin to help. And I, apparently if you use it regularly, it makes a big difference. So it's something that you do have to use regularly. But you're using it. I mean, whatever you're doing is working. So I'm all in on it. And I'm just like a little tired right now, but that's okay. You would never know.

Thank you. What about lasers, microneedling, PRF? Do you do any of that stuff? The one thing, so lasers for me, They don't really do well with my skin. Like they really don't. Like a long time ago, I had a fraxil, and it caused pigmentation. And then I had to develop products that helped, like, calm the inflammation and pigmentation.

And all the chimeric range is so good for that. Yeah. And now it's finally at bay. I'm scared to go near a laser. Yeah. So the one thing I did try the other day was what was called? Software. Oh, yeah.

The one thing I tried the other day was Softwave. I don't know. It's supposed to work over time. to help build collagen and lift. Yep. I've heard about that. Being 43, you know, I'm looking at all these things. But I think at the end of the day, having healthy skin is really, healthy skin is the most beautiful skin.

I agree. What about injectables? Injectibles, like, you know, one thing that I tried is the sculptra. No, what's it called the aquifer? No, not aquafore. The aquigold. And in the aqua gold, they mix in. in like a little bit of like haleronic acid.

Sometimes they put a little bit of Botox and it's like stamping on your face. Oh, I have heard about that. Yeah. Did you like that? So I tried that. Okay. I mean, I don't know if I really noticed much of a difference. Okay, so probably a waste of time. I don't know.

You just never know because you're doing all these things and you're like which one is actually moving the needle. Right. But there's so much out there. There is a lot out there. I know as you get older, you start to notice little things. What about plastic surgery? Would you ever get a facelift at some point?

point. What's your stance on all of that? I just, I've seen some people, even friends that have had facelifts and actually look amazing. I know. And I'm like, hmm. I know. Yeah, this is interesting. Good research. Good research. Yeah, right, right. Having everyone go before you. It's just like, hmm. But it's one of those things that I guess you don't really know until you really know. Yeah. You know, because you're like, you think like, okay, you want to be the best version of yourself and you want to, that I heard Chris Jenna say something like she wanted to feel like how she felt on the inside, you know, and that made a lot of sense. Like she was looking in the mirror and she was like, that's not how I feel on the inside. It wasn't matching. And so I get it like you just want to

help gravity. Yeah. Yeah. So time will tell. Time will tell because time's going to get to all of us. I know as it always does. And I think that the one thing that's important is to like to embrace whatever it is that you're doing, you know, and not not be afraid of sharing that and not be afraid or feel like guilty for doing something like that. It's important to be like, yeah, I did it and I feel good, you know, and I think that's really important. I agree. I agree. You've had your skincare line core at organics for 20 years. Yes. That's incredible. And we were just saying before we started taping, you were the first one to do clean beauty. Yeah. Before clean beauty was even a thing. I was doing certified organic beauty, which is so much more than clean beauty. Right, right. I mean, it's incredible.

Do you still love it today as much as you did when you launched it? I do. It's like my baby girl. It's just what I put my whole heart and soul into. And I just think, you know, I've obviously been in the industry for so long, but this is like my baby. You know, so this is what I built from the ground up. And I think that a lot of people still to this day don't realize that. Like, I invested all my money. I worked directly with the chemists, you know. I'm the founder. I was the CEO for the longest time. I literally just appointed a new CEO because I was like, you know what? I don't need to be Wonder Woman anymore. Like, it's okay. I'm still the founder. I'm still across everything. I'm across the day to day runnings of the business. And yeah, and it feels good to build something that you believe in and get inspired by every day because of the results. People are getting in a way that's good for them and good for the planet. Yes. Yes. I know. I love all the ingredients that you use. Everything is natural. Yeah, yeah, turmeric.

And what did you say was in the spray that you have right here? So this one is an active algae. So it has algae in there for your skin. It has blue daisy in there. It also has, so it's got the skin, you know, benefits and the mineral water in there. But it also has in there a palisanto to, like, clear your energy and the peppermint to help with semen production and also energize you. So all of our products are also filtered through crystals in the manufacturing process. Wow.

So they're bringing a little bit of that ethereal magic. And they've been like that since day one. Wow. And every product contains like a positive word on the back. So this one has revitalized. Another one has joy. Another one has bliss. Like because I love that.

Just because I wanted to, you know, something for myself that was A, certified organic, B, results driven. C, mind, body, spirit connection. Because we are doing our skincare routine daily. So instead of it being monotonous, why don't we. just give back to ourselves while we're doing it. Why don't we energetically receive not only great skincare, but good energy for ourselves. I love that. Yeah. That's incredible. Thanks. I don't talk about it as much because I don't want people to get confused, you know, and be like, well, I just want

results. Well, yeah, it gives you the results. I'm going to get that too. What's crazy is that our plant stem cell collection, the retinal plant stem cell alternative, we ask die hard fans that are die hard retinal fans, do you get better results using our plant stem cell retinal or traditional plant stem cell retinal? 85% said they got better results from using my products. Wow. And they're natural and they're non-interitating and they don't cause dryness. Yep. And they're, you know, I use them throughout my pregnancy. We're actually a Surret certified brand so that Surret certifies it's a pregnancy organization recognizes our products to be safe for pregnancy, which is important to me too. Because when you're pregnant, the doctor says, like, just be aware of what you're putting

on your skin. But we should always be aware of what we're putting on our skin, not just when we're pregnant. We should value ourselves enough to care. Exactly. And if you're not getting, not having to compromise results, then it's a no brainer. It's like you can get the results. Like, if you look at the results before and after of using our products, it's mind blowing. And you're like, okay, so why would I be using something else if I can get the same results, if not better, by using these products?

And it's good for you. Yeah. It's good for you. And we're a climate neutral brand. Like we literally, I've just put my whole love into it as I would a child. I love that. I love that you said it's your baby girl. It is. Yeah, that's so great. So you do have your baby girl. I do have a baby girl. It's Cora. There you go. It's a nice name too, Cora. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And actually, don't be limited because this baby girl is good for both men and T. Teenagers, my teenager, Flynn, uses all these products, the Chimric Foaming Cleanser, which we sell one every nine minutes. Amazing. He uses that. He uses the Chimric scrub, which is a cult favorite. I've used that. That chimerick scrub is like no other scrub, and it just is like an instant facial than a tube.

And my husband uses that daily. He has dry skin, so he likes to slot that off. Then he uses the nonyglofacer all mixed with the chimerick moisturizer. That's like a really good. So it's good for the whole family. And I use the body oil all over my babies, all over myself. my body lotion, my body wash. Yeah, and they've got peace of mind that these are good products for your whole family.

Yeah. What's been the biggest lesson that you've learned in business over the past 20 years? I think you really need to trust your own intuition. And, like, yes, there are people that might be like, oh, don't do it this way or don't do it that way. But, like, you know deep within what the right answer is. Yep. Like, of course, you need to be smart and look at, like, the numbers and the data and whatnot. But if you have like this feeling inside and it just keeps talking to you, you need to listen to that.

So so many times people have said like, you know, don't do this and I wouldn't do that. And I'm like, actually, that's what feels right. And then I've been, it's been the right choice in the end. Exactly. You always know. You know. And then if you try and convince yourself otherwise, you end up looking back going, why did I do that? I know.

It's so true. And why was I convincing myself? I know. Right. because you think these people know, these people have experience, but you know at the end of the day is the family. Yeah. Yeah. That's good advice. What is one of the better decisions you've made? What's something in business that you're just really proud of? I'm really proud of like when I, yeah, like kind of just like taking control. Like this year, I looked at everything and I looked at,

you know, like we were, we had plans every year for like new product development. But when I was looking at everything and the way, like, how many products we had and the lineup and what their uses were. And then, you know, our product development team was suggesting other things for new product development. I was like, do we actually really need that? How about we focus on our heroes? We've got incredible products.

And the more we try and create more, like more is not always more. Yep. And so you don't have to follow the kind of. the kind of, I don't know, what everyone else is doing. Just because everyone else is bringing out new products, it doesn't mean you have to. I'm just investing in our products and saying, I'm just going to take a pause for now until I intuitively feel like there's a need for another product. Exactly.

And I don't intuitively feel that right now. I feel like we have such a good selection for so many different skin types, so many different skin concerns for all ages. And I love each one of my products. like I've given over 100% to every single one. And that devotion is in every single product. And like, I don't want to just create a product for the sake of it. Yeah.

It has to have that same level of devotion that every other products that I've made has. And that energy behind a product, I think really makes a difference. Because if you were just to launch something, just to launch something, I guarantee it wouldn't do as well. Yeah. Yeah. And I've never followed trends. I'm like, people oh the trend is this the trend is that i'm like i'm following the beat of my own drum like yeah this is what i'm passionate about this is what i truly feel in my heart that the world needs yeah i believe people deserve better skin care and i want to provide that for them love it and to me it feels like a passion project and something that i'm doing to like really help people

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and the fashion show, it was just very, like, it was a lot of glamour. I guess you could say there was a lot of pressure, of course, to feel your best and look your best. But we did have a lot of fun. The music was always amazing, the musical artists that would come and perform. And the costumes were great. The hair and makeup teams were so much fun. We got all these big hair extensions and, you know, got the little spray tan going before we went on stage. Like just like the whole creative process of creating this kind of fantasy world was fun. It looked like a lot of fun. And that was, I mean, it was everything.

Yeah. Back in the day, the VS shows, like that was it. Yeah. Everyone was so excited. I mean, still, but I think it's different now. Like, you original girls were, you guys are icons. It's incredible. Yeah.

And I remember like meeting Heidi Klam and Giselle and just being like, wow. Yeah. And Adriana Lehman. And the Nogam. Yeah. You're in that same category. Well, from the outside, it did seem like all of you girls were so close, so supportive. It just seemed like one big happy family.

Yeah, yeah. Is that how it really was? It really was. It really was. Yes. Never any feuds that we didn't hear about. Nothing. Nothing.

I think each girl was so different and unique. Like, there wasn't really anything to. Like, no real competition because. Everyone was kind of doing the best they could and kind of, like, really grateful for the fact that they were, you know, chosen as a Victoria's Secret Angel. That's like, what's that opportunity? When does that come along? Yeah. Really grateful for the opportunity to be able to travel the world and fly to these most beautiful places. You know, we used to shoot in St. Barts. And I remember flying in the same baths and just being like, my whole heart was so full of gratitude. I was like,

wow, like, I really get this opportunity to be here and this beauty. And of course, we have to wake up and shoot at sunrise and then, you know, shoot throughout the day and the sunset. But it was all, it was all for the fun of it. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, and it was a great time in my life that I enjoyed. Yeah. I love that. Were you always sort of photo shoot ready or what would you do leading up to a shoot or the runway to get just in tip top shape? Well, before the runway, that's when I'd get a little more. My trainer, Justin Galbantz, was like really pushing me to like do boxing. And I was, always be like, I don't like that boss. He's like, come on. It gets you some mom definition. He's like, what are you angry about? I'm like, I'm not an angry person. Okay, let me just do yoga. He's like,

yoga's not going to get you there. I'm like, well, it's going to get me somewhere. Right. And then he'd be like, okay, let's go for a run. And I'd be like, I don't like running. Yeah, yeah. So how many days a week would you work out leading up to it? Uh, like five or six. Five or six. Yeah. What do you do normally? How many days a week? Yeah. Oh, now. It's very different. It's like a couple days a week maybe. Honestly, right now I'm just doing the Megan Rope like 10 minute quickie workouts. Really? How many days a week? Just like every other day.

So it's, I mean, I guess too, when you eat really well. But I eat really well. Yeah, then you've got a little more room to kind of. So here's the thing. Like I love food. But when I got sick, I had to learn even more that food is medicine. And so I love to have nutritious and delicious food. like that feed my soul.

Mm-hmm. But at the same time, I don't crave, like, unhealthy food anymore. Right. Because I know how detrimental that can be to my body on the inside, not even, not about what it looks like on the outside, but on the inside. Yep. And also to my vitality. So I want to have vitality and energy.

And that's kind of why I eat healthy. And I want to have, like, you know, be running around with my hopeful I'll have grandkids and be running around. around and be baking them cakes like my grandma did for me. Exactly. Yeah, you want to feel the best that you can. For as long as you can. Yeah.

Because I think that's more important than what you look like. It's so much more important that you feel that vitality. And that's why I say like my non-negotiables are meditation. Like I'm doing that instead of working out, I guess you could say. Yep. With the busy life that I have right now. But that's the choice that I make because that's what feeds me. Yes.

Other people might be really fed by going. for a run in the morning. I know some friends in mine that love that and that gives them the endorphin rush and they really love that and each to their own. Like, you have to find what, what elevates you, what de-stresses you, what picks you up and do it. I mean, I have dance parties with my kids. See, I love that. That's so fun. Oh, that's so cute. And then as far as what you're eating, so you're eating really healthy. So what does that look like for you? That means nourishing food. Yes. So that means in the morning, I start my day still to this day. So, I've been drinking Noni juice. I've heard about this. Since I was 13. What is Noni juice? I'm 43.

Long time. 30 years. Noni juice is a superfood super fruit. Okay. From where? It's from Tahiti. Okay. It originates from Tahiti, but you know, it can grow in other parts, you know, of the world. Like Australia, they have it too. And what I love about it is it's full of antioxidants and it has a lot of vitamins and minerals. I have a 30-mell shot. My little baby has. some as well. He's like, no knee? I'm like, yeah, I have some no-nie. My teenager is not into it. But anyway, that's being a teenager right now. And then I have, so then I have a marshmallow tea because that's good for the gut lining. Okay. So I get the, the marshmallow leaf like, and then I put it and brew it in with hot water. Oh. Have that. And then I have a few tablespoons of coconut yogurt. Yeah. I have a little honey. Yep. I do all this. Local honey.

Oh yeah, local honey is the best. I do all of this before I have my coffee and I have a bite of a banana and then I get to my coffee and my coffee is my moment where I'm in bliss. Pure heaven. How do you take your coffee? What's going in that coffee? Coconut milk and Fabula coffee. I don't know this. So Fabula is mold free and lead free and I had it tested personally to make sure because I don't always believe the labels. Yes, Mark. And your coconut milk. I'm assuming it's not the one with all the gums and crap in it. No, no, gums. It's the fresh, it's the fresh made coconut milk from my one. Yeah, it's the best. That's where I get my lotteys when I'm in L.A.

Is their homemade coconut milk is insane. It's kind of worth it. I'm so jealous that you have access to that every day. That's my number one love. It's the best. And so I love to watch like with the kids. That's when I'll be like having my coffee and the sun coming up. And I'm like, oh, it's going to be a good day.

It's going to be a good day. Any sweetener in that coffee? Maple syrup. That's what I do. Yeah. Love it. Okay. And then that's your breakfast.

That's your morning? Well, that's not necessarily my breakfast. It depends, you know, if I'm doing school drop off or my husband's doing school drop off. So if I'm doing school drop off, I get the baby ready because, you know, he sometimes likes to take his time. His babies, too. So I, like, have to run around after him. So I don't necessarily have time to eat until after school drop off. Because the baby comes with us to school drop off when I go.

Yeah. But if my husband's dropping them, then I'll sit and eat breakfast with the baby. Yep. And then if I'm dropping the boys, then we'll go to school drop off and then we'll sit and eat breakfast when we get back. Love it. And that's like, do we do eggs? Oh, I don't do eggs. Okay, so what's a breakfast for you?

I do protein. So I eat like all like meats like venison, bison, yeah. Bison. Yeah. All those nutrients. Turkey. Yeah. Okay.

I eat all the meats that aren't mass produced. Yeah. Okay, great. For the reasons that we all know. Exactly. So your meat, veggies, fruit, you said banana. Banana, yeah. Sometimes, I don't, we're not much of a fruit girl, to be honest.

But I will have a banana. Yeah. And I also think a banana's a great snack to go. Yeah. When you have to be on the run, then you need, you know, it's got good potassium and whatnot. I do love mangoes. I haven't had a mango in a while. Is it because of the sugar content or you just, no.

I just love mangoes. Yeah. Or the reason why you don't eat a lot of fruit. No, you just don't. Just, yeah, maybe no time to sit and cut the fruit. There you go. That's why banana is good. They just grab it. What things are you definitely staying away from? You said earlier dairy. You don't do any dairy. For me personally, no dairy, no wheat. Okay. And no eggs. And then I'm very specific about the oils. So, for only cooking with coconut oil or avocado oil. Yep. No seed. oil. No seed oils. Yeah, olive oil. Olive oil is okay on salads, but not to cook with. Yeah. Do you do tallow? Sometimes, mostly for the kids. Okay. And then what I like to do is get A2 milk for them,

and they don't notice the difference in A2 cheese. Yeah, okay. Just because I know that A1 lectin can aggravate and cause issues. So I'm like, why don't we just avoid that? Yeah. And I try to get like sourdough for them. Mm-hmm. They don't want gluten-free bread, but I've tried. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Will you eat sourdough? No.

No. So you're, okay, will you do rice? Do you do any carbs? I really eat a lot of squash. Okay. And carrots. Yeah. And parsnips.

Okay, yeah. So you really, I mean, you are super healthy. Mm-hmm. All right. I'm noted, noted. And I do have a little bit of salmon, but not too much because of the mercury that's in salmon. I know.

That's a problem now. Yeah. But I love a salmon. Oh, never. Never. Parasites. I know. I know.

I used to live on sushi when I lived in New York until I learned. I know. No, it's horrible. I've had to do parasite cleanses. My boys have. It's, yeah, no, it's bad news. It's not worth it. No, it's not.

I mean, I love sushi. I do. I do love caviar. I know, me too. Caviar is good. There's no parasites there. No, there's no parasites. It is good for you, isn't it?

Yeah, it's good for you. It's good for you. It's like good fat. Yeah, exactly. What about anything sweet? Do you do anything sweet? You know what? I found some carib that I like.

And so my little six-year-old, and actually baby, we have tea parties. So we'll do a lemon balm tea and then I'll get this carib. And the carib I also tested that it's lead-free. I love that you're doing this all on your. Australia. I love it. Yeah. But I do like, I do like chocolate.

And so I also will make like a carib hot chocolate with coconut milk. Maple syrup. Maple syrup. Carab, like, it's really... That's amazing. It's really good. Yeah, I love that. You seem so...

Prounded and chill. Do you ever yell? Do you ever get mad? Are you ever upset? Not really... I'm not really like a yeller. Mm-hmm. But I'll be frustrated.

Yeah. And then I'll catch myself and be like, okay, that's a waste of energy. Like, it's... You're only hurting yourself when you get into that space, but we're all human, right? Yeah, I love that. What triggers you?

If someone is, like, dismissive, or rude, because as I said, kindness is the most important thing. Yeah. So, like, the basic level of kindness, I believe, like, people should have. If someone doesn't have that with me, then I get, like, upset. Yes. Because I'm like, we should all treat each other with kindness. That's, like, the basic minimum.

I agree. Yeah. Yeah. What is different today besides being a mom, of course, in your 40s than, let's say in your 20s? What is different today? Don't wear high heels as much. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Isn't that the truth? I used to love wearing high heels when I was living in New York and put on my over-the-knee boots with a little skirt. Yeah. I know it. Not doing that anymore. No, not doing that. We're going for comfort now. Yeah, I'm normally in sneakers and baggy pants.

Mom mode. Mom mode. Yeah, it's what happens when you become a mom. Yeah, and plus I'm on the floor with my two-year-old, like running around with these little, trucks. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. What do you guys like to do together as a family? What's like a typical Saturday for you guys? We'd love to be together doing just like being outside, playing our little eight-year-old loves to play pickleball. Oh, cute. So he's just learned that. My grandpa, my parents, so my parents were just here and teaching him how to play. So he's really into that. And his little brother, not so much, he just scoot around on his scooter while we play pickleball. but just being outside going for walks together on Sunday we go to church together we have family brunch together with Evans family so oh nice so they live here yeah oh that's nice yeah I love it I know

family time is the family time so Sunday's like definitely always family time and then Saturday like there's always like a Lego that's being built yeah that's out yeah that we're all involved with helping make the Lego or putting the pieces of the colors aside so we can help. And then we play a lot of games like Uno or, oh my God, what's that game we have play all the time? We're a big Uno family. Monopoly, but it's the cards. Monopoly. Oh, with the, oh, Monopoly. Is it deal? Deal, deal. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so we play that all the time. So, yeah, that's fine. And they love playing Rooma Cube. Oh, how do you say Roomacob? Rumicube. Yeah, room a cube. Yeah, so we're a big game family. Yeah, I love it. Actually, I need to

Speaking of games, my little guy, Miles, just started getting into dominoes. And there's so many games you can play with dominoes. So I'm going to get him some domino so we can like start playing more with that. I love it. And then they're building all the time and playing. Oh, they also have Nerf guns. Yeah. That was a new thing.

Boy mom. Boy mom. Doing all the boy things. Yeah. So we run around and have Nerf gun fights. That's pretty funny. That's fun. But the baby is so sensitive.

He doesn't like it. Oh. I mean, he's obviously nowhere in the way. He's out of Palm's way. But he doesn't like seeing us run around after each other and go like, ah. He got me. Oh, that's actually kind of sweet, though. So we can't play Nerf guns in front of him. No. You guys should get the laser, it's like laser tag, but you like put on a little thing and you can shoot each other. We used to do that and run around the house. Yeah. That's fun too. Yeah. What about you and Evan? What do you guys like to do as a couple to connect when it's just the two of you? Date night. Yeah. We really do make sure that,

you know, we prioritize time together because we are so busy. like him with his business and me with my business and then the kids. It's important to make sure that you make time because otherwise it's just not going to happen. No, I know. It's so true. So having little date nights going to, you know, a restaurant so we can like get out of the house. I also like to have a movie night with him, which is not his favorite thing, but I like it. There you go.

Compromise. Compromise. We sometimes do like once a month, like we'll go away for a night, you know. Love. Just the two of us. Yeah. And I think that's really important to just like connecting with each other after the end of the day. Yeah, I know.

When you've got four kids, it can be hard sometimes to make time for each other. So it is important to make sure you do it. I'd say you guys are a relatively private couple. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Very private. And you've been part of both super public and now private. Yes.

Does it make a difference in just how you operate together as a unit when it's private? You know, it's funny. even though my life with Orlando was like publicly out there, he's also a very private guy. So it was kind of like, yes, of course, we were photographed more, but we still hadn't like our private life private. Right. So, I mean, I'm still having my private life private.

We're just being, we just really like to be, you know, we're home bodies, essentially. And then so we'll only go out to events, you know, if like one's in a blue moon kind of thing. Right. If it's really worth it. Yeah. If it's something that we're passionate about. Yeah. Yeah. I love that. And then so with Orlando, you do have Flynn, your oldest. Yes. You've talked about how you guys are great co-parents. Yeah. Was it always like that? Or did it from day one. How? I'm always so envious of people who just from the jump. To be honest, I just, it was like a decision that we made. Like it's obviously, it's not easy when you're separating. And there's always a level of hurt, even if you both know it's for the right reasons, right?

So there's always a level of hurt both ways, I would say, in any separation. And I would say the most important thing that I learned is just to put the needs of the child first. So, like, is this in the best interest of Flint? Is this in the best interest of Flynn? Like, get my knees out of the way, get his needs out of the way. What is in the best interest of Flynn? And that was really our guidepost for any decision. Yeah, smart. And then through that, like, we've known each other for a long time. We've developed such a good friendship that he's just like part of the family. Like, he's like a brother, you know, so we have that. It's so nice. Yeah. That's so great. Yeah. What is happiness mean for you today? Happiness. I think, as I was saying before,

happiness is an inside job. And it's something that we should rely on. And it's something that we should rely ourselves for we shouldn't look outside for it we shouldn't look to someone else we should look inside and you know and our relationship with god and helps to create that happiness yeah i love it's not something external exactly no one no thing no place can make you happy exactly you need to find that within you love it and you've done so much both personally and professionally is there anything left on your bucket list. So many things. I'm only just getting started. I love it. Watch out world. Yeah. Okay. You want to share one. One thing that I'm doing. I'm very excited about is I'm writing a book with Flynn. Oh, cute. A children's book. And he's doing all the illustrations. So he's a true artist.

That's where his passion is. Ever since he could hold a pencil, he would just, you know, pick up and start drawing. And I never understood it. I just thought it was normal. Like I just never understood. until he got a bit older and then I saw other children like and he's his attention to detail with all of his drawings and artwork is just so phenomenal. So to be able to do a project with him is really like rewarding and fun to see his vision come to life. And so we're working on that right now. How fun. Yeah. When's that going to come out? Do you know yet? No. Okay. I didn't want to put too much pressure on him. I wanted to, he's already got enough pressure with school. Yeah. So I just, I just want him. He told me this morning, he was actually like, I'm excited. I made more progress on the book. I can't wait to you to see it. So I was like, great. We need to have another meeting about it. I love it. Schedule a meeting with me. Exactly. That's so sweet. Yeah. It's very special. Okay. I want to play a game with you. It is hot or not. Okay. Of course, with you, we're going to do the model edition. So I'm just going to tell you something. And I just want you to tell me if you think it's hot or not. Fasting. Not. Not. Sona.

and cold plunge. Sona hot. Cold plunge not. Makes sense. Detoxes. Your body has a natural detoxing capability if you give it the right food. You don't necessarily have to. Yeah. Yeah. And the sauna's a good way to detox. Yeah. Exactly. Okay. Counting your protein, which is a huge trend at the moment. I'd say be aware of it. I wouldn't be so meticulous. Okay. Of the exact numbers. Yeah. But just make making sure you're getting protein. Yeah. Okay. Avoiding kale. Have you seen this? Yeah, I don't eat kale. You don't eat kale. Hey, you eat spinach? Mm-mm. Okay. Me either now. Guasha. Love my guasha. Yeah. I actually made one. It's in the shape of a heart. Cute. Rose quartz quashaw. I use it all the time. Yeah. Love a guasha. Yeah. Okay, a sweet treat.

Sort of answered this. Carab. Yeah, carib. That counts. Baby Botox. Hmm. What is that? Like, the aquigold? Sure. Sure. F blockers. Oh, yeah, yeah. Totally into that. You're all into that, right? I'm all into that. I have the Somnavitic.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I've got my phone and my house, like on absolutely everything. Okay, that was it. You're the best. Thank you so much for being here. Thanks for having me.

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