Let's Be Honest with Kristin Cavallari - Staying On Track This Holiday Season with Nutritionist Ivey Leidy

Episode Date: November 14, 2023

Integrative health coach and nutritionist Ivey Leidy and I discuss how to make smarter choices on Thanksgiving and all season long, eating disorders, the #1 thing everyone should eliminate from their bodies, how to get rid of toxins in your home, and why we think diet culture is bullsh*t.If you or a loved one is struggling with an eating disorder, help is available:National Eating Disorders Association (NEDA) ResourcesA word from our sponsors:Get 50% off your first order when you go to hiyahealth.com/HONESTGo to drinkAG1.com/HONEST to take ownership of your health, try AG1 and get a FREE 1-year supply of Vitamin D AND 5 free AG1 travel packs with your first purchaseSave 15% and get free shipping on your Starter Kit when you use code LETSBEHONEST at www.branchbasics.comIf you're looking for the perfect gifts for your whole family - SKIMS just launched their biggest Holiday Gift Shop ever at SKIMS.comGo to GetCanopy.co and use code HONEST at checkout to save an additional 10% off your purchaseVisit Regain.com/BEHONEST today to get 10% off your first monthProduced by Dear Media.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The following podcast is a Dear Media production. This is Let's Be Honest with Kristen Cavallari, a podcast all about getting real and open on everything from sex, relationships, reality TV, wellness, family, and so much more. And just a fair warning, there will probably be some oversharing. Welcome in to Let's Be Honest. I am your host, Kristen Cavallari, and I have a very good episode for you guys today. We're going to be talking all about holiday eating and how to get rid of toxins in your homes. And to do that with me, I'm talking to certified nutritionist coach, Ivy Lighty. Hi. Hi. Thank you for having me. I'm so excited to be here.

I'm so excited that you're here and you're glowing. I mean, true, like your skin. That's something I've always noticed about you. You are living your best life with how you eat and it shows through your skin. The way you glow is so amazing. So I'm so excited to talk about all the things you do to get that. Yeah, I think it's the diet. I ate a ridiculous amount of salmon and I think it's just salmon skin. It is. And it looks good. I also wish that we lived in the same city because I want to have a dinner party with you. I look at everything that you're making for dinner and my mouth is always just watering. Likewise, we should do it. I know we got to figure that out. All right. I want to start with a little bit about your personal story. I know that you've said that from a very young age,

you learned to associate thinness and beauty with happiness. And I think that this is really common and something that's been shoved down kids' throats. You've said that at the age of 11, you became bulimic, which is crazy for me to think about because my oldest is 11. And then at age 12, you started binging, purging and exercising religiously. And by 14, you were both bulimic and anorexic. For most of your adolescent and adult life, you went from binging to restricting to yo-yo dieting, which I can also relate to. And it wasn't until you gave birth to your first child that your perspective shifted, which I also went through. So I think your story is more common than we think. And I think what you overcame is absolutely

incredible. But I'm curious when you had your first kid, what shifted in you to have this new perspective? Well, I think when you become a mom, you're, you know, it's not just about you anymore. You're responsible, you know, for obviously for your child, but also you want to stay around and you want to be your best self for them. You want to set an example. So really it, it just changed my perspective on what really matters. Right. And really not that I think you can ever fix an eating disorder. I think it's, you know, you always got to work on it, but at least it, it made it so, you know, I've got much more to my life now. You know, there's much more of an impact now than just like this thing that is so exhausting, right? I mean, the whole eating thing, having a disorder, having any sort of disordered eating is

exhausting. So it's, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It gives you a real purpose. I think when you become a mom, you know, you have this new mission, which is what I found talking about the eating disorder thing. I remember in high school, I mean, it was really common, you know, and this is almost 20 years ago. I remember friends trying to teach me how to throw up with a toothbrush. And now as a mom, I mean, it just breaks my heart looking back on some of those memories. And, you know, those times were before social media. We only had TV and magazines to have this perfect image being thrown or shoved down our throats. And so now I think, you know, with social media and kids just being

flooded with these images constantly, I would imagine that the eating disorder rate has just completely skyrocketed. And talk about being honest. Like what we're seeing on social media, everyone's totally filtered and they're not eating what they're saying they're eating. And what I eat in a day is not really what she's eating in a day.

And, you know, if we were all just honest about it, then I don't think it would be so hyper-focused and we'd be so obsessed with, you know, the way that we look and how our bodies are, you know? I agree. I agree. And I talk about this a lot, but I think, you know, with all of the apps now and everything, I mean, you can change your face, your body. We have AI influencers, which blows my mind. Like nothing is real anymore. So we're chasing this image. It doesn't exist. It's, it's unattainable, but I'm curious what you tell your clients who are in this place of

being bulimic or anorexic, or maybe they honestly just have body dysmorphia because I think that's really common too. So where do you start on someone's journey who is in this place? What does that conversation look like? I mean, I'm not, I'm not a doctor. So I think that you really do have to seek treatment if you want to get better. But I really think that if we were all just mindful and if we could kind of think about food in a different way and, and really be conscious of, of how we use food, how we, you know, do we use it as relief? Do we use it as punishment? Do we use it as a reward? How do we abuse it? If we just start learning about ourselves and listening to ourselves, then, you know, we intuitively know what makes me feel my

best, what doesn't make me feel my best, you know, thinking about how you behave when you're stressed is important. So I think getting really listening to your body is the most important thing and listening to figure out your relationship with food and how to help your relationship with food. Yeah, absolutely. Because people do use it as a coping mechanism. And it's a lot of work too. I don't say this lightly. It's a lot of work too. You know, I don't say this lightly. It's, it's a lot of work that you have to do on yourself and constantly, you know, it's, it's, I'm in a really healthy place, but I still, I work at it a lot. And I think most women do. I do too. I really do. And you know, that brings me to my next conversation of, you know, I think the holidays can be a challenging time

for people who have issues surrounding food, because I think it can bring up anxiety or, you know, maybe some people don't necessarily have issues, but they just want to make sure that they can stay on track throughout the holiday season. I think it can be really easy to get derailed. So I want to talk about how to make some healthy choices or smart choices, I should say, during the holiday season. So I think, you know, holiday season, we're all faced with a lot of the same things like alcohol, for example. So I want to talk about some of the things that we're going to be faced with. And I think let's just start right away with alcohol. So I want to know. And what I love about you too, is, you know, I think your approach to health is very realistic. You're

not like, oh, you should never drink alcohol. Like you love your tequila. I see it. I love my tequila too. And so what are the do's and don'ts when it comes to alcohol this holiday season? My guess is eggnog, probably not the best choice. What are the drinks that we should be reaching for? So here's the thing about alcohol. There's always going to be today you'll read, you know, alcohol is the worst thing you can put in your body. Tomorrow you're going to read a different article that says, you know, actually in moderation, alcohol is good for you. So I think you really, again, have to listen to yourself and again, how you use alcohol and, or if you abuse alcohol, but if you are going to drink, the clearer alcohol is always the better. So it's the darker, the alcohol means the longer it's

aged, the longer it's fermented. And during that process, a compound is created called congeners. Those are really hard for your liver to metabolize. So you're metabolizing not only the ethanol and the alcohol, but also the congeners. That's why we have a terrible hangover. I did not know that. Yeah. So you're going to feel a lot better drinking a clearer alcohol. And again, as far as like the sugar, I think in an average margarita, there's like 35 grams of sugar and 700 calories. So yeah. So the drink I do is like tequila, fresh squeezed orange, lime, and then club soda. And then, you know, so good. That's my go-to also. Well, I do, I usually just do, I'll do tequila, soda,

lime juice and jalapenos, but you've turned me onto the orange juice too. That just gives it that little extra, right? It cuts it a little, it gives it a little sweetness, but you're not adding a bunch of sugar. Yeah. It's so good. And then what about any special hangover cures? I'm just so excited to always hear other people's ideas. I feel like I kind of have my tricks on lock, but I always am curious if people have other things I can be adding in. So a hangover is not only like dehydration and what I said about the congeners, but it also drops your blood sugar so much. So trying to keep your blood sugar stable, like prioritizing protein, you know, instead of reaching for greasy foods and sugar that you want when you're hungover, focusing on protein. But honestly, if you're really hungover, I don't think anything is going to help.

No, it's not. That's what I've learned, especially the older you get. Oh, I know. Okay. So eggs and bacon, not maybe the worst choice in the morning. Yeah. Eggs are good. You probably don't eat bacon, do you? No, I don't eat bacon. You don't. I know. I knew it. Okay. I want to talk about Thanksgiving dishes specifically. Thanksgiving is of course right around the corner. So I want to talk about Thanksgiving dishes specifically. Thanksgiving is, of course, right around the corner.

So I want to know what are some things that we can be doing so that the meal is still nutritious and keeps us on track. Like I know. Well, let me back up. I think sometimes it's okay to just give in. Like if you want to eat all the mashed potatoes and all the stuffing and have all the pies, like go for it. I think at the end of the day, we only live once, but I have in the past made like a mashed cauliflower

in place of mashed potatoes. They're amazing. I don't think anyone ever misses the mashed potatoes. So what other tips and tricks do you have for us? Yeah. I don't think anyone even notices. I made mashed cauliflower mash and nobody even noticed that it wasn't mashed potatoes. So I love that. Yeah. I think the, the traditional Thanksgiving dishes are super caloric, really high in sugar and really high in fat. So you can redo them like a sweet potato casserole. You do not need to add sugar to it. Sweet potatoes are really sweet roasting vegetables instead of doing like, what is that thing? The green bean casserole. The green bean casserole.

Where you add canned soup and fried onions and stuff, which I know we all, like you said, everyone enjoys those traditional Thanksgiving meals that they love, but you can put a spin on them. I did this years ago on my Instagram. I kind of remade a bunch of things that we like. I remade stuffing, but just using squash and quinoa instead of croutons or whatever it's usually made with. Yeah. And doing like, you know, I think pecan pie has a ridiculous amount of sugar and like 600 calories in a slice. So doing, you know, baked apples or something where you're still getting that sentiment, but you're not, you know, ingesting a ton of stuff that's going to make you feel terrible the next day. Let's chat about one of my favorite children's vitamins, you guys,

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options. What if that's not an option for people? They're going to their cousin's house, let's say, and it's going to be all of the traditional dishes. What are two dishes that you're like, you know, go for it, have fun with it. And what are two that you're like, I just would stay away. Okay. And this, this can be said too, if you're going to any sort of holiday party, the first thing you want to fill up on would be the veggies and anything fibrous. So any greens, anything that you can physically fill up on first is going to leave less room for, you know, the mashed potatoes, the stuffing, the pie, all of that. So anything that looks like a real vegetable, choose that first. And turkey is great if it's

just like herb roasted turkey, you know, protein and vegetables are your friend. Okay. So that should be the main part of our dish. And then maybe a little side of the stuffing. Exactly. Yeah. Just don't start in on that marshmallow covered sweet potato casserole. Start with, start with the healthier things first. Okay. That makes sense. And then I know, like, I look at my, my diet sort of as a bank account. So for example, if I know I'm going to be going hard on Thanksgiving, maybe a few days leading up to it, I'll eat salads or just definitely more protein and veggies, won't have any sugar. And a few days after, what does a week leading up to an event

like that look like for you and a few days after, if you know you are going to be eating more stuff that you don't normally eat? Right. Exactly what you just said. So really prioritizing protein and anything high in fiber. So what fiber actually does is slows down the absorption of any sugar. So if you add fiber, more fiber into your diet, you're not going to get those blood sugar spikes. And what happens when you get, when you're low in blood sugar, that's when you get cravings for all the stuff we're talking about. So really keeping that stable with, with protein and fibrous vegetables, you know, leading up and then water, like drinking a ton of water is really key. You know, 40% of the time we confuse thirst for hunger. So just being more mindful of like, even if you're getting ready

to go to your, your party or to Thanksgiving is drinking a full glass of water while you're doing your makeup, you know, things, little practices like that can really help. Yeah. So I was going to ask you about that because, you know, with all these holiday parties, yes, I think sometimes food's being passed around or there's a buffet, the drinks are flowing. It's a whole thing. And it's really easy to just kind of like get lost in all of that. I've heard people give tips of like, before you go to a holiday party, have a little snack. So you're not starving when you get there. So that you're not just like mindlessly grabbing at food. So drink, you think like drink a big glass of water before you go to a party, maybe have a little healthy nibble. That's

going to help keep you on track. And also I think a lot of us do this when we know we have a big party to do or to go to. We kind of starve ourselves all day, which is the worst thing you can do because then you get to the party and you inhale champagne and pigs in a blanket or whatever they're serving, right? Because you're starving and you're thirsty. So don't starve yourself. And now you have a little buzz going from the champagne. So then you're like, screw it. I'm going to eat whatever I want. Exactly, exactly.

But yeah, before you go, if you do find yourself really hungry and you're about to go out, yeah, a few olives or almonds or something that you know is going to tide you over and not add huge amount of calories. I'm just curious. Do you have a sweet tooth at all? Or are you someone that just completely stays away from sugar? It's going to sound crazy. I feel like you stay away.

You stay away, don't you? So, you know, years ago when I started really being conscious of my health, I stopped doing, like I said, the binging. So I think it all depends on the person, right? So for me, I really can't allow myself little cheat meals and little cheat days because it does the opposite. It almost nurtures a binge disorder or an eating disorder. So for me, I really did cut out all refined sugars. So I'll still do, I mean, fruit is my, I love fruit. I know that sounds crazy, but once you get super clean, fruit is your candy. Like I look forward to it and that's what I crave. I don't crave cake and ice cream and I really don't. And I know that's not easy.

It's not easy, but I agree with you. I, well, and it's, it's so crazy that we've almost been conditioned to think that fruit is bad for us too, right? That it's so much sugar, but I think fruit is one of the best things that you can eat. And I agree with you that when you are really healthy and clean, it tastes, it tastes like heaven. I love fruit. And you know, real fructose, real sugar, and it's got fiber in it. Like I said, fiber is going to slow down the absorption of sugar. Anyway, you're not getting a huge blood sugar spike as if you were eating like a bag of Twizzlers, you know, it's, it's just not apples to apples. It's just not. No, it's not at all. And I'm big on only reading ingredients on labels. Like I actually,

I probably should look at sugar, but I really kind of don't. I just, I'll stay away from it if it's not real. And that's kind of what I've always told people is my like food philosophy is just eating food as close to its natural state as possible. So staying away from, yeah, from all of these chemicals, these manmade foods that are just, they're horrible for us. And it's not even food. It's like a distant relative of food. And it's like 60% of the standard American diet is, is this by-product of food, you know? So like what you said is close to its natural state as it can be, if it's a real food, eat it and don't worry about the calories and the sugar, like that should be exactly. And you know, and that's not complicated. You know, we feel like it's so complicated to eat healthy and clean, but it's really not. It's just,

it's, it's just hard to do it in our society because everything's processed. Exactly. Exactly. Well, speaking of our society, I want to talk about diet culture. I hate diet culture. And I feel like you and I are probably aligned on this where it's more of a lifestyle, right? I don't think that there's like a quick fix. I don't really think that there's a diet that actually works. I kind of follow like an 80, 20 lifestyle where I eat really healthy 80% of the time. And the other 20, I indulge, I eat whatever I want.. I kind of follow like an 80, 20 lifestyle where I eat really healthy 80% of the time and the other 20, I indulge, I eat whatever I want. And that kind of like helps me stay sane. But I am curious, is there anything that you do or that you help your clients with?

If they're getting ready for a wedding or a big event, maybe even just a beach vacation where you can kind of like really keep it tight for like the two weeks leading up to something? Yeah. I mean, the biggest thing is to cut out refined sugar and processed foods. So like we just said, eat it really focusing on eating, on eating real foods, but it is a lifestyle. So, so it has to be realistic and attainable. I say this to all of my clients, like if you're not actually going to implement this into your life, it's never going to work. So like those, those yo-yo diets, those crash diets where it's, you know, you, your paleo or what, all of them, they work for the amount of time you're on the diet.

And then when you go back to living your life, it's a completely different story. So it's, it's, you know, the fact that we do these diets is really frustrating. So I agree with you. I did keto coupled with intermittent fasting for probably about a year. And I was tiny. I mean, honestly, probably the skinniest I've ever been. I actually think I was too skinny. But as soon as I stopped, I gained more weight. And it was really hard for me to actually stabilize.

And I mean, keto, I was afraid to eat a carrot or I was afraid to eat a banana, you know, because that's how they train you is to be afraid of this stuff. That's one where you can't eat, you can't eat beans. You can't eat like, yes. Can you eat anything? You basically can't eat anything except for some vegetables, not even all of them and fat and fat. Like you're just eating protein and fat, but it completely messed up my metabolism. It literally took me a year to like get everything back to normal. So I'm, I think diets are actually really scary and they can mess you up long-term. I agree. And I think your body, your body functions at its best when you have a variety of

plants and proteins, right? That's what your body wants. That's how we were designed to eat. You know, we were not designed to eat just whatever keto you were eating chicken and cheese, right? Like it's not sustainable, you know? And I think they're probably serious nutrient deficiencies that go along with a lot of these diets. I was just going to say, I mean, talking about eating, you know, the variety of fruits and vegetables, we need antioxidants. Like that's where our body thrives. We need fiber. We need fiber in order to process any nutrients. Like, yeah, exactly. Yeah. This episode of let's be honest is is sponsored by Regain Couples Therapy by BetterHelp. Whether you're in the honeymoon phase or partners for life, setting aside time to listen to each

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Yeah. And, and, and you don't really realize until you get down to the nitty gritty, what you're experiencing, any sort of ailments. Usually clients come to me because they're experiencing something like high inflammatory markers or their cholesterol is really high. It's usually a specific thing that they're trying to fix and they don't want to go the medical route. And then when they start to peel back the layers, they realize what food really does for you and how it can really be your medicine or your poison. So those are the great success stories is when you really learn so much about yourself and realize

everything else that improves, not just that one high cholesterol score that you had, you know? Exactly. So if you could only give someone five things to eliminate, whether that be five things in the diet or, you know, some things in your home, what would those five things to eliminate, whether that be five things in the diet or, you know, some things in your home, what would those five things be? Like other than dairy, fine sugar, corn, we corn, we, and soy. I love it. No, I know there's your five. I think the one thing that we have got to eliminate is processed foods. And I know I sound like a broken record, but it is what is killing us. It's what's making us sick and our kids sick. You know, I mean, we're one of the, yeah, we're one of the very few countries that has

adult diabetes in children. You know, it's, it's scary. And if we don't get a grip on it, it's, it's only going to get worse. And I will say there is a definite movement. You can feel it. You can see it of people wising up and wanting to change and really realizing that what is on the grocery store shelves is not like the right thing for you to be buying just because it's on the shelf doesn't mean that it's safe and that you should be feeding it to your kids. So people are really, you know, they're, they're educating themselves, which is great to see. I agree. And to your point, even like, I think whole foods specifically, people

think like, Oh, I got out whole foods. It must be good for you. And it is just not true at all. You have to read ingredient labels on everything. So I would say, cause people ask me this a lot of like, well, what are five ingredients to stay away from? Cause for a lot of people, this is foreign territory. This is completely new. And it's really hard. It's really hard to educate yourself on because there's so many different names for sugar and there's so many different names for artificial sugars. So going back to what we said before, if you don't recognize it, if it says maladextrose or something, your body is not going to recognize it. Right. So if you, if you're reading it and that's what it says, don't buy it. And I know that it's in everything, but like, yeah, if you, if you don't

know what it is, then you shouldn't be eating it. Right. Yeah. If you don't know what it is, your body's not going to know what it is. Exactly. And your body won't know what to do with it, you know, and a lot of these toxins that we, that we bring in, that we eat, that we have in our, in our environment, you know, they get stored in the body because our body doesn't know what to do with it. I know. I know. It makes me sick, actually. Also, food is, of course, a huge area. But I think we sometimes forget that our homes can be harboring a ton of toxins as well. So like, well, for example, a couple of years ago, I discovered that scented garbage bags are full of chemicals, which when you think about it, duh, obviously that makes sense,

but I just didn't think about it. And now of course I only buy unscented, but what are some areas in the home specifically that people can be doing or swapping things out to remove some of the toxins? Okay. So not to really geek out, but there, you could, you could read about this on my website, but there are some chemicals to really avoid. So chlorine bleach would be one of them in your household products, phthalates, parabens, which I'm sure you've heard of any heavy metals to take out of not just your cleaning supplies,

but everything that you put on your skin and anything you spray in your home, SLS, sodium lauryl sulfate. That's what gives us the foaming agent in cleaning products, which we don't need. But we've just been conditioned to think that that foaminess, you know, is synonymous with clean. And it's not. So I know that's a really hard thing to like read about these chemicals and try and identify them and, and eliminate them. But there's so many things that you can swap out. So there are a bunch of brands like Attitude is one brand that's really great for cleaning products, but you can also make your own, which sounds crazy to a lot of people, but like baking soda, vinegar, alcohol, those are

really good cleaning agents, hydrogen peroxide instead of bleach. And those are completely non-toxic. I mean, most of them, like you've posted, you post your recipe for that. I've actually, I screenshot it and I've made my own and you put essential oils in it. You can do whatever scent you want. It's great. I use it all the time. And they're like more effective than the stuff you're buying on the grocery store shop. But there are some brands that are really great. And there are more coming to market that are better and healthier for your home. I do think we live in a good time where now some of this stuff is way more accessible than it has been in the past, which makes me so happy.

Another thing is candles. I don't think people even realize how horrible candles can be for you. So not fragrance in general. So this is when I just touched on phthalates. So phthalates are, they're a plasticizer. They're used in plastics to make things pliable, but they're always used in fragrance to be a carrier for fragrance. And so even when you're putting it on your skin, you're, you're putting, you know, your skin is your biggest organ. You're putting that plastic right on your skin and it's, you know, really disrupting your endocrine system, which is a whole nother thing to geek out about, but yeah, we could do a whole other

podcast. But yeah, they really, you know, it affects everything from your hormones to, you know, your endocrine system kind of is your control tower that controls everything, hormones, your thyroid, your, you know, so really minimizing your toxic exposure is going to help with a whole, you know, all of your holistic health. Everything. Yeah. And I mean, you know, makeup, all beauty products as well. Are there any beauty brands that you love that you really stand by? Yes. I love RMS. I love Ilya is great. I love talk. Beauty is a new one that I really love. And same goes for skincare too. Like it's been, you know, it's in kind of everything. But now there's so many brands that are really great.

You know, alternative. Are there any websites that you, yeah, exactly. Are there any websites, like I know Credo is one that you can go to. Credo is great. Where they've kind of vetted these brands for you. Yeah. What other websites do you know of? Sephora has like a clean beauty section.

You can always go to my website and shop my e-commerce. There you go. Yeah. So yeah. And it's becoming more prevalent. Like you said, there, there are more companies that are, you know, it's, it's more accessible now to find them, but Credo is a great one. I love Credo. I love Credo too. I really do. I think they're doing a phenomenal job. And then I sort of think, you know, we've talked about toxins in the home. We've talked about food, you know, what you're putting in your body on your body. I think the last piece to the puzzle is your mental state. And something that I've really become mindful of in the last couple of years is the way that I talk to myself. And I really think that, you know, at first it's just becoming

aware of these negative thoughts. I think no matter what, we all have some sort of negative thought pattern and it's becoming aware of it. And then flipping that negative thought pattern with something positive. But so I'm really curious, what's the conversation that you have with yourself? What does that look like? So do you know what I think about a lot is when I, you know, when I look in the mirror and I'm not happy about what I look like or how my body looks, I think about what that would translate to if someone was saying that to my daughter, if my daughter was saying that to herself. I think about that a lot because what we say to ourselves is so powerful. It stays with us all day. you know, and it's, our bodies are these beautiful machines that perform so many functions for us that do amazing things like create children.

And, you know, just, I think if we were to just show ourselves a little more love, everything else might fall into place. Right. And that goes for, for food, for, yeah, for what you put on your body, what you put in your body, just respect your body and love it and be kind to it. You know, we need to be kind to ourselves for sure. I know a lot of people who use like a daily affirmation. I've had mantras in the past. Do you have any of that kind of stuff? Or it is more just like you wouldn't want your daughter talking to herself like this. Yeah. Or I wouldn't want anyone talking to someone I love. Right. And you do it. You have

to love yourself. Right. Like I wouldn't want to hear anyone speaking to anyone that I love in that way, putting them down because, right. I mean, cause we're all great and we all deserve to be living our best lives and that that's not helpful, putting ourselves down or putting anyone else down. That doesn't help anything. No, I agree. Nope. Completely agree. Well, Ivy, you are such an inspiration. You guys at home, if you do not follow her, trust me, you need to. Ivy, tell everybody where they can find you. Living with Ivy, Ivy E-Y. You can go to my website too, livingwithivy.com and read all about the geeky stuff that I tried to make you talk about.

I think it's all really amazing and important stuff. And you do, you post a lot of your recipes and your food is incredible. Yeah. And I will say like, you know, everything has to be like the recipes. Nobody wants to make a recipe that's got 72 ingredients and 90 steps. Like, I don't want to do that. And nobody wants to do that. And the same goes for like, you know, like we were just talking about, about reading all of our labels. Like if we can just simplify things, I hope that I am able to simplify things for people and help people that way in a realistic way that, you know, makes sense. Yeah. And you show people that eating healthy does not have to be boring, which I think is really important too. So

you guys definitely check out her website for sure. And thank you so much for being here. This was so much fun. Thank you so much.