Let's Be Honest with Kristin Cavallari - Stepping Into Your Power with Coach Margot Miller

Episode Date: July 14, 2026

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The following podcast is a dear media production. This is Let's Be Honest with Kristen Cavalry, a podcast all about getting real and open on everything from sex, relationships, reality TV, wellness, family, and so much more. And just a fair warning, there will probably be some oversharing. Joe Miller, welcome. Hi. I am so excited to finally meet you. I found you on social media, and I instantly became upset. with you. I find you so incredibly empowering. You speak my language and you've really made me feel like

I'm not alone out here in the world. And so we're going to get to all of that. But I want to start with your personal journey because it's a wild story. And it started from the moment you were born. So tell everybody about your childhood. Yeah. First of all, I'm so excited to be here. And I feel like people are either like, holy shit, you're speaking to my soul or they're like, what language is this woman saying? So it's one of the other. Yeah. Yeah. Well, the people who get you get you. And that's what matters. Yeah. So I started off on kind of like a weird note incarnating here onto planet Earth. So I was born with a port wine stain on like the whole left side of my face, which today it's super cool. Like birth marks are like everyone's like going viral for them. But growing up, I had never actually

seen anyone with one. And I underwent these really like crazy surgeries. My family kind of like hid me out, put makeup on me. They were sort of embarrassed by it. Yeah. Like they were like, my mom was like, I feel like people look at me like I'm hitting you. Oh, wow. Yeah. And I don't think that was like coming from a bad place.

Like they were probably trying to like protect me. But even like my neighbor was like, oh, this kid needs to get like treated. Like I was actually called like disfigured, deformed in the news. Wow. And then at one point they had to bring my entire school into an auditorium to like watch me getting these procedures to be like, don't pick on this kid. Whoa. Yeah.

Like, what age was that? Oh, like, I'm like a literal infant. Like, I started getting surgeries, I think, like, around the time I was four and, like, throughout my entire childhood. Also, mind you, like, it didn't do anything. Like, it didn't, like, make it any better. What kind of, like, what were they doing in the surgeries? Yeah. Because it's, it's a birthmark on your cheek. Right. And it's how big. Like, it's pretty big. Yeah. And after they treat it, it would look like, sometimes it would, like, I couldn't open my eye. They would shove, like, metal shields in my eyes. No. I don't think they knew what they were doing. Like, lasers today or. They're very, like, gentle and it's, like, not a big deal now. But that was kind of my experience. And I kind of was like, oh, is there, there's something like wrong with me. Like, why is this, like, happening? And so just at, like, an early age, I kind of was like, I need to hide my face. Like, I have to look a certain way. Like, I literally was wearing makeup as a child.

Wow. So that was kind of like my initial footing onto planet Earth. And what would your parents say to you? Like, what was going on? Yeah. I think our generation above, and you can tell me if this is true for you or not, but They didn't have, like, TikTok and social media. And, like, we've really normalized things to you, like, podcasts and things like that.

But they didn't say anything, actually. So there's no conversation going on. So I just kind of was, like, put a smile on my face. I actually didn't want the surgeons to know that they were hurting me. So I would be like, like, out while I'm getting, like, tortured. Yeah. Overcompensating. Exactly.

So you really just had to go through all of that alone. Yeah. All of that. As a young kid, that's a lot. It was. And then, like, later on in life, I started seeing. people with birth marks. And I was like, oh, I'm not the only. I thought I was like the only one. We didn't know. We didn't have like Instagram back in the day. Right. And so what about your birth

birth mark today? Because you still have it right. Yeah. It's just a lot lighter. I do. And I'm not wearing like full glam. Yeah. You can still see it. I kind of like feel like it's a little bit cool. Like, I look at it and I'm like kind of glad it didn't fully go away because I feel like it represents a part of me. I'm like that, that built my character. For sure. And so how did that then, how did your personality evolve and everything that you went through as you got a little bit older, like into your teens and your early 20s, paint that picture for me. Yeah. So I feel like everyone has the sort of like catalytic experience, usually early on or in their like teen years where it just like sets off a totally different trajectory. So obviously that didn't make me feel super confident like coming off the bat.

So I feel like it kind of opened up this like unworthiness, insecure visibility wound that just bled into like every area of my life, probably into like my life. Probably into like my life. late, you know, 30s, which is like relatively soon. Right. And so and you've talked about, because again, I mean, I follow you and I'm, I love all of your videos. You were really unhappy. You were a little out of control. Like you were a partier, right? Which I can relate to. I mean, I was sort of there too. But I mean, also like for me, I know I went through a really insecure phase. And it wasn't also until like my 30s that I kind of really started finding myself. And we're going to get into this too, but like really leaning.

into authenticity and finding your voice and owning your gifts, which you talk a lot about. Yeah. So how did you go from like being unhappy and being a little out of control to now getting where you are today? Because you're a coach. You call yourself a spiritual guide and coach. You say you help old souls become rich, famous and a household name, which I love. So how do you go from that to where you are today? Yeah. So I like you said, like I got sober at 20. It was like in rehabs in and out of like different like therapy the institutions in my early 20s. And then I had a neurological disease at like 25. So I was bedridden for like another 10 years. But even when I was going through this, I was still like coaching and supporting people. Even in my like corpse. I called my corpse. I like, you can make a joke about it at

place. Yeah. Like looking back, I'm like, okay, it all like played itself out in the moment I was like hanging on for like dear life. But then I kind of got to this like low point. I got out of like a bad relationship. And I was like so used to being at rock bottom that I was like, fuck it. Let me just like go all in on my brand. And that's kind of when everything kind of took off. And I was like, wow, every single experience that I've been through. And after working with like thousands of old souls, I realized a lot of like parallels, trajectories, patterns. And it kind of developed the brand that it is today. And that's why people are like, you are like, you are like, oh, I get it. Because you are like an advanced soul. Obviously, like what you're doing with your brand and your podcast and frontloading certain themes and challenges

early on. Like you said, addictions are like a big thing. Yeah. Front loading. I used to do a lot of hypnotherapy. And she used to talk about that too is same thing. Old Souls like you really front load your life. It's like trauma. I'm just like bullshit after bullshit. And you're like, I can't take any more. But then you do get over the hurdle and then you can help other people like what you're doing. And you can actually like settle into peace. And so I want to talk about your spiritual journey too. Because again, everything you say in the spiritual world, I am all in on with you. How did you, well, how did you start to get into spirituality? Yeah. Well, at. At. 20 years old when I got sober, I was like forced into believing that there was something greater. It's kind of like the remedy when you're like diagnosed with alcoholism at like 20. I was basically told I was going to die if I didn't stop drinking. Wow.

I was actually drugged against my will in a rehab. It was a really crazy story. Wait, I want to hear the story. So my ex-boyfriend's ex-girlfriend came into the rehab and she was like, let's run away. And at this point, I just thought, I thought rehab you just like go and you chill. And then you go back to drinking. And then everyone's like sober for life. And I was like, oh my God, I'm in the wrong place.

Like, I just want to go party. So she was like, do you want to go party? And I was like, of course. Like, let's get out of here. And then we ended up like in like the tenderloin in San Francisco with like a bunch of people like shooting up drugs. Oh my God. And then we like, she like brought some drugs back into the rehab. And I had like taken some pills or something that night because I wasn't trying to like do any hardcore drugs.

And then she ended up like drugging me against my will. And I was like screaming no in the rehab. Oh my gosh. With like a dirty needle. No. Yeah. And I'm such a people pleaser that I was like the next day. Like obviously they were like, these women are high. Like yeah. And then we had to end up like having my family and the whole rehab family come into a circle. And I just took the heat because I was such a people pleaser. I was like, oh yeah, I did drugs. Like I didn't throw her under the bus or anything. And then me and my parents were

sitting there like, you know, we like were like terrible parents where have we gone wrong. And then I had to like go get like testing with my mom every like six. months for a while to make sure it was just like so traumatizing that I've never had a legal drink since then. So that kind of like feared me into sobriety. So do you sort of look back at those moments in your life and be like actually it was a blessing? If it wasn't like so many moments in my life, like you said, like you get to the threshold where you're like it actually can't get any worse. And then it like does, but like it needs to to like get that lesson. It's almost like you can get lessons faster if you just like crash out sooner. It's like that was my life for a long time. That is so crazy. Yeah. Okay. Wait. And then you said what disease did you have that made you bedridden for 10 years?

It's called ME now. It's basically chronic fatigue. I also had like fibromyalgia, Hashimoto. I had like mold toxicity. I kind of have all the like gut problems. A bunch of things compiled. But it was mainly MECFS that like took me out. I had a very, very bad case of it. So how did you then get better that you were just giving you drugs or what or medicine, I should say? Yeah, so either people were like, you're going to dive like a brain cancer or you're going to like, or you're just making it up. And so they did some brain scans and they were like clearly something's wrong here. And then they kind of just, it just kept going to doctor a doctor. And finally I was like, there is no cure. So like I just went to L.A. And I was like, I'm going to live my best life and just like, start doing weird shit in public and like letting my like freak flag fly. And then I kind of crashed out and I started seeing like online programs for MECFS started like popping up. And I was like rewiring my. brain a lot, doing a lot of like reprogramming and healing. And then eventually I kind of like got myself out of bed. But yeah, I couldn't walk for like a couple years. That is crazy. Yeah, it was nuts. I bet you were really scared too. Oh, it was terrifying. You're like, am I going to be stuck like this for the rest of my life? Like I couldn't even drive home sometimes. I would just sit in my car for hours.

Wow. And my house would be like a block away. It was wild. That is. And you said you had a boyfriend at the time too. So I dated someone right like right as I got out of bed. I was like, cool, I'm out of bed. Like, I'm ready to do life. Yeah, like, back into the wild. And then it was like super dramatic. And I was like, okay, that was not the path to go. I was like, I'm so much better like blowing up my own brand.

Like, do not rely on a man. Like, that was a quick, hard lesson as well. Well, you talk a lot about that. So let's get into that because you say that old souls will be blocked in love, right, until they essentially find, like, what they're destined to do. Yeah. Okay. So just talk to me.

about that. And also, how do you know that? Like I, so that's my thing. I am all in on the spiritual stuff as like you are. But how do you know that's like, like is it just a knowing? It's like a gut feeling. So I worked with 2,000 people one to one directly in a year on top of all. And then I also had like group programs. I also did like a million other things. But I just kept seeing this repeated pattern over and over and over and over again. And I was like, wow, it's really evident that when you have like a message that you're meant to share, typically what happens is people will date like one of their most toxic twin flames or their most toxic twin flame right before they have this big catalytic event in their brands. And, you know, even like in your own life,

like I feel like you've actually been a voice for a lot of people going through certain breakups, relationships, narcissistic abuse. And I think that sometimes on a higher level, souls will volunteer for that and kind of trailblaze in your own way. So I've seen you do that in your own brand. And obviously having to do that publicly is a whole other level in and of itself. Yeah. Yeah. And so that's interesting. So it's the same pattern for everybody. Yeah. Not everybody. I would say for like, I would say like a small, small percent of the population. Or I mean, sorry, everyone that's sort of on this same trajectory. On, yeah, like sort of in this coming to their end of their incarnation.

cycle, there is a pattern and theme. Of course, there's going to be small outliers. And of course, there might be someone who actually meets a partner that helps their path. But for a lot of us, it's usually like we will date our most toxic person because it's actually sometimes this big catalyst. And it teaches us not to outsource something. Because for a lot of us, we'll just get comfortable. Like for a lot of old souls, like, if you didn't have this like calling or deep thing inside you, it's really easy to just hang out in someone else's a shadow. Right? So it's like, that's the easier path. But it's almost like, the universe will kind of block you until you become the person who's visible with your gift. And then from there,

it's actually easier to date. It's so interesting because I have thought so many times. Because I would say, essentially, I've been single for the last six years. Of course, I've dated. But I've thought, I'm like, if I was in a relationship, I can almost guarantee I wouldn't be doing half the shit I'm doing. That's how you know. But when am I going to meet someone? Because now I'm like, all right, it's been six years. I'm doing all the things. Yeah. You're like, a universe, we're ready. Well, you just recently said that, before you call in your soulmate, you'll have like your asexual era. Yeah. I'm like, yeah, that also resonates.

Have you entered it? I've been in it for a while. I'm like, what the hell? That's honestly how you know you're an advanced soul. It's like the periods are much. It's not like a normal. Like let's take a breather from like dating. It's like these long periods and you're like, but like any day now, you're like all the lessons

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So you're, are you 37? I'm 38 now. 38. Yeah. I know. I know as you get older. It's like you've It all blurs together. Oh, God. And so when was last time you were in a relationship? It's been a while, right? Yeah. So it was right before I blew up my brand, which I think I was like 35. Okay.

Yeah. So it was a couple years ago. But I have like long stints of like solitude. How do you, well, do you ever have those moments of being lonely and kind of sad about it? Yeah. I mean, I think it would be, I think anyone's lying if they say that they don't. But I think it's way more painful to feel lonely inside a relationship. 1,000% where you're just every day. It's also torture when you're going back and forth.

Like should I leave? Should I not? Like that's the pain that I would rather like not have that over the pain of like a little bit of loneliness. Without a doubt. Right. Once you've experienced loneliness in a relationship, you're like I would rather be alone for the rest of my life than experience that ever again. How do you get through those times though? Like, because you were so good about like I know with me when I watch your videos I feel so hyped. I feel jacked up. I'm like, yes, I can do this. I'm not a little. Do you have to take your own advice sometimes? Like, what do you do when you are feeling down about it? Yeah. I think that for me, I just bottomed out in so many relationships that you get to this point where you're just like, this pain is better than that pain. But for me, I also have like amazing guy friends. So sometimes just being in that like masculine energy kind of like, that's like a placeholder, but you're like, oh, this is like how I should be treated. This is like feels good. So I do have like, I call them like my. fake husbands. So I do have like male friends and sometimes I think that energy can kind of carry you through. But there was periods where I was just like literally isolated from like society. And it's hard. But I feel like sometimes we have to learn lessons in that to like pull back our

power or not like rely on someone to escape or validate us. Right. And I feel like once you kind of like majority of those programs are kind of not running anymore, I do think it's just like a matter of timing. And maybe it's not you. Maybe it's like your partner needs to get out of a relationship or they need to like finish up something before they're ready for you. So you could be ahead of them. And they're just like waiting to kind of either go through a breakup or relocate or something like that. I've thought about that. I'm like, he's still married. He's coming. He's all right. It just needs to get it, you know, go through the first round. Exactly. Well, also like, get a divorce.

Have a year or two. Get it all out of his system. And then he'll come find me. There's so men, divorce men are so good. Because they've had to work at something. Yeah. Yeah. And, but I do think they. need that period in between divorce and dating some people, getting some things out of their system before settling down again. I don't understand the people that go from relationship to relationship. I'm like, there's not even that many people to like. I know. I don't even like anybody. I know. That's my thing. I'm like, I'm ready to like someone. Like, that's fun to have a crush and to flirt. I haven't even had that, even had that. That's right. Okay, so I want to talk about

when your clients come to you and you're coaching them. Is it primarily women? Only women. Oh, it's Only women. Yeah. So don't work with men. Got it. Why is that? I feel like women have certain programming that men just don't have that level of conditioning. Like, women are very shamed in so many ways that men aren't. And so I just love getting women like unhinged. And that's just does something for my soul. Yeah. No, I get that. Well, to be able to help so many women has got to just fuel you and make you feel so good. What are you coaching with these women? When they come to you, like, what does that process look like? How does it start? And then what kind of tools are you giving them to use in their everyday life? Yeah. So a big part of what I help people with is like they're messaging around their brand and how to actually like scale their

brand and create content. But with that comes a lot of visibility. I think that you've been a trailblazer in the women's empowerment space and just being unapologetic and being a vessel to like hold misperceptions and judgment. And most people crumble in that. Yeah. That is most people's biggest fear in life. And so part of what I do is like rewire people to feel safe. And I use something called theta healing, which is actually muscle test and do kinesiology. I don't know if you've ever experienced it. I do know about that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's great. It's like the fastest way to clear block. So it's like internal. And then it's also like on a practical level. Like what's the strategy? What's like your brand offers? What do you want to like get out there? What's your message? Amazing. I love that so

much. So people's biggest fear is being seen. A hundred percent. That's interesting. Yeah. Well even like I know because I've been in the public eye for over 20 years and I would be lying if I said sometimes people opinions didn't still affect me. And I go through phases. Like sometimes I'm like, I don't give a shit. Like I know what that's about. And then other times I'm like, oh my God, they think that about me. I'm like, what do you say to someone like that? Yeah. Well, I'm curious with you. What was the hardest part or the hardest thing that people say? Because usually there's a particular thing that people can pinpoint that hurts a little bit more than others. You know what it's always been is when it's inaccurate information. Because I'm like, if you hate me for something I really did. I'm like, cool. I literally don't care. Because again, and I want to talk to you

about authenticity because I know that's your biggest thing. Like, you tell everyone to lean into their authenticity. And I do feel like I'm someone who's been really authentic. So when it's not authentic and you're judging me on something that didn't happen, that's where I get really, really mad. There's nothing I can do. Like, you can't control everyone's perception no matter what you do. So. Yeah. And it hasn't prevent, you went and built empires off of it and brands and not a lot of people can take that feeling of being judged and sometimes it paralyzes people and they're like, I never want to get out there again because this is like my worst fear happening. So what do you do to, so let's say someone puts themselves out there. They get judged and they crumble. What would you say to them? A lot of the

times that's activating, sometimes it's a past life program. Oh. Yeah. So sometimes we have to go a little bit deeper out of this lifetime. Sometimes it's ancestral. Past life programs. Yeah. And family programming. Right. So that might not even be their program. It might be like their lineage that like if we get out there and misperceive, we're going to, some people really think they're going to die. Like the body's saying we're going to die. Even if consciously they're like, I can handle this, the body might override that. Right. And so that's where we start creating more safety. And also like every single woman in particular has the gift of alchemy. So anytime you're misperceived, you can make a comeback. You can launch a podcast. Like there's so much more in our control than people realize. It's just about

getting creative with it. And you recently said, too, that the more you don't care about people's perceptions, the less hate you'll get. Why is that, you think? I think sometimes when we are these conscious beings and creators of our reality, sometimes we have to experience the thing that we fear the most to actually get beyond it. So when we're really hyper-focused on something and it materializes and then we're just like, okay, well, fuck it, it already happened. Like, I'm sure after that, like, sometimes it can relive itself in our mind. But sometimes we're kind of like, all, well, fuck it. The worst thing already happens. So I might as well go launch this thing or I might as well put myself out there in that way. Totally. And this is a little crazy in woo-woo, and I'm sure some people are like, you're nuts. But I really think, too, everything is energy. So if you're constantly focused on like, I don't want this to happen. I don't want this to happen. It's going to happen. We're like, like if it comes and you just let it go, it just goes and then it's gone. A hundred percent. I think about like one time, I think Sia, like a nude got leaked of her and then she just reposted it and it took all the power out of it. Right. Genius. Yeah. Right. So to your point, when you just defuse it, it just, it goes away.

It's like the law of energy. Yeah, exactly. I'm trying to explain that to my kids right now. And they're like, what are you talking about? Like a little young for all that. Start them early. Yeah, exactly. Okay, if you could equip everyone with three pieces of knowledge to help them live a more authentic life, what would they be? Yeah. I think number one, the darker nights of the soul that you go through, the more impact you're built for. Right. So if you're like going through a really hard period right now, you're being prepared for impact. And then number one, the darker nights of the soul that you go through, the more impact. So if you're like going through a really hard period right now, you're being prepared for impact. And then number of, two is to your point, I think the more we can like lean into vulnerability, authenticity, we get rewarded for that. And then lastly, I think the universe rewards persistency. Like when you have a dream or a vision, even if it feels so fucking far out of reach, if you commit to that, like your life depends on it, basically you can do anything. And everyone says that. Everyone's like, you know, right before they wanted to give up, they just kept going a little bit longer. And then that's when everything happened for them. So everyone who is successful always says that. Has that breaking point. We're like, I want to quit. And then.

And it like locks in. Yeah, exactly. No, it's so true. I love your messages on money. And I think, I don't know why, but for women, the conversation around money has always been a little off limits or like it's not okay for some reason for women to be chasing money. Of course, men can chase money all day long and we celebrate them for it. But a woman, you're like, oh my God, her priorities are in the wrong place. So why do you think that is, first of all? Yeah. Well, I think a lot of the programming on this planet's kind of fucked up. Yeah. So I think that is to keep us small and subservient.

And I think social media has actually changed that for so many women. Like the generation before us didn't have the opportunities that we do with personal branding. There's so much more power and control. And I think that's why women are actually not dating as much or pickier in their dating life because we actually have other shit that we can like do. Yeah. Exactly. We've got money now.

Yeah. So we don't have to rely on a guy for money. Literally. Yeah. If we're like making our own money, we're our own sugar daddy is the only. is the only thing a guy brings to the table ultimately is like how they treat up. Yeah, exactly. I've got a lot of quotes from you in this money section. And so, and you basically just said it, but you've said, money won't make you happy. Money is superficial that that is matrix programming to make you

think money is a bad thing, aka keep, keep you small and broke. You say money is power and when you have options, you're no longer a slave to the matrix. I wish every woman had this mentality. It's so good. How do you coach your women to think like this? Yeah, I think it's more of like an embodiment, right? So I think just being, that's why I created a brand called her unapologetic success is because I think so many women have this deep desire for more. But we've just been shamed to think that there's something wrong with that. Right. Like men are naturally rewarded for that. And then women are told like they're too masculine or like you have to be smaller to fit in. And I think like females in particular sometimes can like have this wounding where we like, bond over certain things. And if you, like, come out of that suffering, it almost makes you, likeable or not relatable. Right. And so I think that that's what we're kind of programmed to believe when in actuality, it like makes good people even better people. It makes us freer, happier. And it's like really like, it's actually very spiritual, especially when it's connected to your impact. Okay. So I love that you said that because I was another thing I was going to talk to you about

is you do say, yeah, money is spiritual. Money is energy. I believe that. And so it's like when you try to hold on to money and you're so tight about it, it won't flow to you. Like, money has to flow. You have to put money into the universe for it to come back to you. So explain that to me. Yeah. So just like old souls are typically like blocked in love until they get visible with their gift. It's often the same thing with money. So if like you tried to like when you are here to like launch these incredible brands and be in the spotlight, if you tried to like go, not that you would ever do this, but in the past, like if you tried to steer away from this, like you'd probably get traumatized if you went to go get a nine to five or like if you tried to go do something,

it's not going to unlock the level of abundance until it's the thing that you're really here to share or like a creative gift inside of you that you put out. And that's when the universe is going to reward you. So you have to become the person who's comfortable with visibility, who's comfortable with money. And so there's kind of this journey until you unlock your abundance when you're here for a very specific purpose. So how do you know what your purpose is for someone who's listening who feels like they're destined for more? They just don't know exactly. exactly like what their gifts are. Do you coach women to find their gifts to? Yeah. So your calling is going to call you and it's going to call you over and over and over again. So for me, like I didn't

actually know what it was. I just started saying I have gifts to myself. And I started walking around like when I was dead in bed with my neurological disease and I was walking around pretending like in my mind, this is very delusional. Like I was helping all these people. Yeah. That's great. And then people actually started showing up. Like while I was sick in bed, people started calling me. They're like, hey, like, I heard you did this clearing on your friend. Can you do me? And then like, people were like, hey, I want to be your first paid client. And then they paid me like astronomical amounts of money. And I was like, what the hell? And it just kind of, it came to me. But I had to step into this being like, I have a gift. Even though I didn't know what it was. I didn't know how it was going to come into

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they just told me to go cold turkey and that's actually when you can die. So it's like actually going in and out of like consciousness, about to have seizures for like 30 days. They actually had to put me in like a rehabilitation center because their brain was no longer responding to the drug and they're like you could like die. Yeah. So at one point I actually like left and then came back in. And you remember it? Yeah. And then after that I like it unlocked. Yeah. Like it started unlocking more gifts. So it kind of got easier to go between worlds. Whoa. That is so cool. Yeah. So do you feel like all of that was sort of like predestined? Like you had to go through that in order to get where you are today? I 100% believe that there are things pre-programmed in this reality that are predetermined before we we come here.

the soul. Yeah. So remember is it? If you get that deja vu feeling. Yeah. What for you in your life has been some of those like pre-programs? I just think like the overall journey that I've been on. Because, you know, if you think about it, like I was living in Chicago. Yeah. I was getting into a lot of trouble. So I got shipped shipped off to Laguna Beach, California. I got on TV that fell into my lap. I mean, literally right place, right time. Yep. And I think I was destined to end up with my ex-husband, you know, and it ultimately got me. of Franklin, Tennessee and launched my business. Like, there are so many things that when you get a little bit older, like us in our late 30s,

when you can look back, it is like building blocks and life starts to really make sense. Yep. I just think, I think it's so cool. And I think, too, like, when you're going through those hard times, you know, it just seems like so unfair. Totally. And you're like, when you can finally get to the other side, you're like, I get it. That's the path.

Yeah. And it's actually, I think it's so cool. Yeah. I think it's so cool. And I do think that we sort of like sign up for our journey before we come to Earth. And so yeah. And that's something I've talked about in my podcast before too is like when you are going through a hard time, how I've gotten through a lot of them is if I'm sitting here like, I signed myself up for this. So I know I can get through it. That's been like my biggest tool for getting through hard times. Wow. What do you say to yourself to get through hard times? Yeah. Similarly, I'll like ask my soul. I'm like, okay, if this if this was pre programmed, what am I trying to like? Like, what? I'm like, what? do I need to learn from this to speed this up. Right. Right. To your point, like for advanced souls, it's not just like a little hiccup, a little rough path.

It can be like years. You're like, when is this going to end? And that's what. And then all of a sudden, well, like the miracle drops in. It all makes sense. And that's kind of the pathway, right? Yeah. I know.

It's so funny. I've seen those memes on TikTok. They're like, a spiritual person reacts like this and a regular person like this. And the spiritual person, everything is like, what's the meaning behind this? My foot hurts. Like, oh, no, what's this trying to tell me? I'm like, so that person. We're like asking chat GPT. We're like, what's the spiritual meaning? Literally, oh my God, my chat GPT thinks I'm insane. Oh, my God. I love it. For women who are not used to making money, let's say, but they're on this journey now,

how can they learn to love money and to be comfortable with it? Most of the time, people who say, like, oh, I don't care about money. It's because we believe it's hard. Oh. So any of that kind of like shaming program is just, designed to keep us safe. So there's nothing wrong with that. It's just a survival program. So part of it is just being like, what do I actually believe about money? Like this probably money has like the most programming on the planet, right? So it's like when you actually think about it, it's actually like literally a piece of paper. Like it's like, it's like, it's not even real. It's not even real. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it's like if you were the creator, then how would you want to like express it or

how would you want it to come through you? And I think that that kind of takes the focus off at like the paper. And it's more about like, what do you want to bring to the world and like share. And that's usually how we can kind of flip it. Yeah. And energy. Yeah. I love that. You've also said like having this mentality like money's obsessed with me. And you've said, God wants you abundant. You've said that earlier. Like when you can lean into your gifts, that's when you become abundant. Yeah. And that you've also said, get some fucking money so you can change the planet. I love that. Yeah. I mean, if you think about the people in charge of the world, probably not, you know, the best people. So if you're not. You know, the best people. So if you're more empathic women who are very impact-driven, had money and had resources and had power, we can kind of shift some of that imbalance on this planet. Yes. Yes, exactly. Yeah, we need, we need more love and joy to outbalance some of the corruption. Corruption that's happening. Okay, I really want to talk to you about appearance and just beauty in general because I sort of struggle with this because I think I'm a pretty spiritual person and there's a large part of me that

cares about my appearance. But I'm like, but is that an unspiritual thing to do? So what's your stance on appearance and caring about the way that you look as a spiritual woman? Yeah, first of all, I just love the vulnerability around that because people would look at you and assume like, oh, she's no insecurity. It's like, doesn't know what an insecurity is, right? But just even the fact that you're like able to share that. And I, same thing with money. Like, I think having your vessel look the way you want it to is spiritual. If glam, instantly boost your vibe, glam it up. If a little Botox does it, if bleach does it, like, whatever gets you in the energy of like, I feel more at home here, I'm all for it.

Like, I'm, girl, I've, like, done everything. I'm like, all for it. Like, whatever makes you feel better. Obviously, there's an extent where it's like, you can only do so much. I'm not saying that's the only way, but I think you can work outside and inside out. I think it goes both ways. Okay. I love that because I've really gone back and forth on that. Because I'm like, you know, enlightened me, you know, super spiritual me, wouldn't care about the way that I look. But then I'm like, yeah, but I do. And it's like this push and pull and I go through phases. I feel like everything is a phase with me. But like, I don't know. I just was really excited to get your opinion on that because that is something that I sort of struggle with. So you're totally cool. Botox fillers. Oh, all the things.

All the things. Yeah. Because whatever makes you feel confident is going to help you get beyond yourself. And the more we're not thinking about our insecurities, I think the more impact we can make. So I actually I think it's very selfless to take care of yourself and look the way you want. Okay. I like that. Yeah. That's my opinion. Yeah.

I'm like all for the injections. So is that sort of another way that like the matrix tries to keep us small and that like, oh, it's, you know, silly to care about your appearance? Anything that's basically like good, we will be shamed for. Right. So we as like cycle breakers go against the program. So the program is like if you do something, don't tell anyone. Right.

Right. Like it's shamed. to want to change something about yourself. So, yeah, it's like the more you kind of just own whatever you want to do, the better. And of course, there's going to be some point where you're like, there's only so much you can do to make yourself feel you got to do like some of the internal work too. It's both. It's a good combination.

Yeah, it's a good combo. It's a good combo. But honestly, like, whatever is going to make you feel more confident to get out there in the world, like, thank God. Like beauty, I think it's actually healing. I think like plastic surgery is designed to be healing. I love that. Yeah.

Yeah, I can tell you, doing my boobs was the best thing I've ever done. Girl, same. Like literally. I, and I did it after I breastfed three kids, you know, I mean, but like, I still, I tell every woman that. And I was actually against plastic surgery for the longest time. And then I did my boobs. And I was like, no, I'm sorry. But what that just did from my confidence. Like, a thousand percent I would do it any day of the week. I do not promote. Like, I don't recommend anyone doing it. But if deep down, it's going to change your life, help you get out there, help you not feel insecure. And if that's what you want to do, like, I'm all for it. Shout out to like Dr. Diaz. Dodger-owner for me. Thank God. Saving us girls two boobs at a time. Okay, I have three things that you've said that I love so much and I just want you to expand on each one a little bit. Okay.

Okay, you've said, be unhinged, be a bitch, be crazy. I love it. I love it. So explain that to me. Well, let's start off with the bitch one because I feel like you got hit with a lot of misperceptions around that. Thank you. And everyone that I know that has like met you,

Even before I came on here, I was meeting with some friends and told them where I was coming today. And they were like, she is the sweetest person. Like, she is so kind. Like, I have heard the best things about you. I'm not just saying that because I'm on your podcast. But typically people who say what they think are actually like the kindest people. And oftentimes people who feel trapped in that like nice cage. Not that they're unkind, but it usually comes out sideways or it's not really like we can only be taught to like smile for so long.

Right. So I think that in this kind of day and age, women are actually like being more vocal and being more direct. And as a result, we're actually like kinder people. I love that. That's such. You just explain that perfectly. And also thank you. That's very sweet to hear. I did have when I was like 18 and I moved up to LA, I met with a producer and he said, my only advice to you is to meet as many people as possible. Because he was like, you're so different than you were on the show. I was like, is that a good thing or a bad thing. But thank you. No, it's working because people are like just like speusing it. And I think that at the end of the day, like it always comes out in the wash, right? A thousand percent. Karma is real. It's real.

It's all part of the journey too. Right. Like I don't know if you're big on like birth charts and astrological signs and all that. But like even according to my birth chart, it's like part of my journey. Wow. Of like being labeled the bitch and being misunderstood and then like finding my voice. So I just think it's so cool how it's all connected and there's a purpose for it all. I just think it's awesome.

Totally. Okay. The second one is being the bigger person 24-7 is not spiritual. Sort of kind of what you just said a little bit. But elaborate just a little bit more. Yeah. I feel like for old souls who grew up in narcissistic families or in families where it tips towards the narcissist, we are conditioned to always let things slide to be the bigger person, to let things go. So that becomes a way of being in the world. But for that archetype, our programming is to actually speak up to not let shit. slide to be like, that's actually not okay. And I'm, like, walking away. So for people who maybe, yeah, exactly. Boundary, literally, literally, that's the pathway. And so that requires us to, like, not be the bigger person to, like, speak up, have our backs. Like, that's usually the path. Which is so scary, right? When you first learning how to speak up and set boundaries, viscerally painful. Yeah, it is. But when you, but I had to do that with my dad. And I remember my My dad's a narcissist and I've come out of my life.

But when I first, I could never speak up. And when I first finally started to, like, I was in therapy about it. She gave me a book about setting boundaries. And it was, like, terrifying. But, like, once you do it then, it's, oh, my God, it's so much easier. You can't go back. Can't go back. It frees your soul.

Completely. What was, like, the first thing you had to say to him that you were scared of? So he used to trash my mom constantly, like, even into well into adulthood. Wow. And it would always piss me off. And I would, like, get this fire in me. Like, I literally felt it, like, in my. stomach. And finally, I just was like, no, I'm actually done with you. You don't get to trash

my mom like that. And I mean, I think it definitely caught him off guard, but needed to happen. That's so powerful. Yeah. And good for you because most of the times people like children don't see that and they can get like brainwashed. Well, I was for a little while. Yeah. I think that's why as an adult. I was like, oh, you're like, you see it later. Yeah, that's typically how it plays out. But the fact that you caught it sooner than later, sometimes people go their whole lives. I know. I also feel like it's interesting, like collectively, we're hyper aware now of narcissists, probably even like more so. Like I think the word gets thrown around a lot. But I also do feel like we're dealing with a lot of resources. Yeah, I'd rather have it be overused and underused. Yeah. And I do

feel like a lot of people are waking up to narcissistic abuse, which is great. Yeah. Thank God. Thank God. Thank God because they can't get away with it as much. And no one knew, like, especially when you're programmed to like, as women, like, not speak up, go with the flow. You're dealing with like a scary person who's narcissistic and they can like use shit against you. Like the fear is. real. It's not just like imagined. It's real. And so now that we can label it, it can like really save women from going into things longer than like knowing what to look out for. Yeah, exactly. Did you deal with a narcissist in your family? Yeah, we have narcissism in our family for sure. And I feel like the family system always kind of tips to that person. And so it's not usually just

one level of trauma. It's often like you, you know, multiple layers of it. It's the whole system. It's not always just that one person. Exactly. It affects everybody. Yeah. So deep. Okay. Then the third thing is, the bigger you grow, the more people you're going to let down. So true. Yeah. So explain that. It really is. It is. It's so true. Can't please everybody. You can't. If you want to grow a brand, if you want to be successful, if you want to get out there and make impact, you have to become a professional disappointer. Yeah. You just do because it's not humanly possible. Like your people pleaser has to die. Yeah. You know what I mean? Think about how precious your time is, you're going to have to cancel sometimes. You're going to have to be a little bit more

flaky. Like, it's just the way it is. And so I think it's actually an opportunity, especially in business, to be more selfish. Thousand percent. You got to make yourself the priority. You literally do. And just like let yourself be flaky if it means not abandoning yourself. And like you just have to stop doing shit out of like obligation, which can be really hard. Learn to say no. That's one of the most empowering things. Learning to say no. We are not taught that. Like we usually have to learn that after. are like severe narcissistic, psychopathic people. And then we're like, okay, now I got the hang of it. Oh, literally. It's so true. Well, okay, if people could only take away one message from you, what would you want that to be? What do you think your audience is struggling with the most right now?

Oh my gosh. That's such a good question. So I do get a lot of questions about confidence and how I have so much confidence and how people can have more confidence in their life. I believe we all have an alter ego. Like if you have that desire, it's your destiny. So like there's a confident version of you that already exists. Cool. And I feel like if you merge with her like every day, like even make like an alter ego name and like channel that bitch. Love that. Yeah. Yeah, because then in a way you're like separating so it's not as vulnerable. Literally. That's it. And you're just like channeling this character. And if you can do that like in your brand and in business or like anytime you get outside your comfort zone, you have this thing that you can just turn on and shift into. So it's like that's going to help you like build your confidence as well. By the way, I think I've always done that with the entertainment world. And I didn't like realize what I was doing. But I think in order for me to disconnect a little bit, I've always had to like click into someone that's not entirely me. Did you have like a cue or was there like a mental switch or were you just naturally doing it? I think I just sort of naturally did it. Maybe when I was younger it was more of a survival thing. You know, with being painted in this white that I didn't think was me.

But no, I just sort of like naturally did it. But it helps. It does. Because when there is a little bit of a disconnect, even the judgment then doesn't affect it. Because you're like, I'm just playing this character. Yeah, you're like, cool. That's not me. Yeah, yeah. I feel like they're talking shit about someone else. Yeah, exactly. That definitely helps me with reality shows for sure. Oh, I can only imagine. It's so outside your control. Yeah, exactly. You're amazing. You are such a badass. I appreciate you being here so much.

Keep doing all your videos because I'm watching and I'm like, hell yes. Tell everyone where they can find you and where they can. and potentially sign up with you too. Yeah. So you can find me at Margo Elise Miller on Instagram, TikTok and Facebook. The best follow. Oh my God. This is actually when you messaged me, I was like, oh, this like can't be real life. No, I literally DM'd you on TikTok. No, I was like, this has to be a fake account. And then I looked at it. I was like, oh, my jaw was like drop. I was like, I'm obsessed with you. But you never responded. And then I got on TikTok for like six months. I died. I was like, this was like, how did I miss this? And then I had my team

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