Let's Be Honest with Kristin Cavallari - The Benefit of Staying Friends With Your Exes (And Getting Enough Protein) With Trainer Jason Walsh

Episode Date: September 24, 2024

My LA trainer Jason Walsh was actually the first guy I dated post-divorce. Find out how we've remained such good friends over the years and what he did that was the best thing a guy has ever done for me. Plus, how he gained Matt Damon's trust, the unique way Lady Gaga trained for one of her tours, what he tells all of his clients to do, why he doesn't like diets, and why we should all be focusing on protein.A word from my sponsors:ServPro - Visit SERVPRO.com or call 1-800-SERVPRO today. Ritual - Support a balanced gut microbiome with Ritual's Synbiotic+. Get 25% off your first month at Ritual.com/BEHONEST. Happy Squatting. Eharmony - Get who gets you, on eharmony. Sign up today.Bon Charge - Go to boncharge.com and use code HONEST to save 15% off my favorite Red Light Face Mask and other wellness products.Lume - Control Body Order ANYWHERE with @lumedeodorant and get 15% off with promo code HONEST at LumeDeodorant.com! #lumepod.Cotton - Discover the Fabric of Now at TheFabricOfOurLives.com. For more Let's Be Honest, follow along at:@kristincavallari on Instagram@kristincavallari and @dearmedia on TikTokLet's Be Honest with Kristin Cavallari on YouTubeProduced by Dear Media.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The following podcast is a Dear Media production. This is Let's Be Honest with Kristen Cavallari, a podcast all about getting real and open on everything from sex, relationships, reality TV, wellness, family, and so much more. And just a fair warning, there will probably be some oversharing. Welcome into Let's Be Honest, you guys. Today we have with me my trainer in LA. He's been my trainer for almost five years now, which is hard to believe. He's always someone I can always count on my corner. We've remained really good friends over the years, but he's also the first guy I dated post-divorce. So we're going to talk about how we've remained really good friends over the

years. How because how the fuck does that happen? But Jason, how are you? I'm great. It's hot in here. I know. Yeah. You guys just got to know I'm wearing a jacket because I have pit stains right now. And so the studio that we're in, the sun is beating down on us, but we're just going to, we're just going to make the most of it. We're both going to be sweating here in a few minutes, but you know, we talk all the time about how lucky and thankful we are that we've been able to remain such good friends even after dating. And so we just thought that that would be a good conversation because it's very rare that this happens. And we just want to share that with

you guys. So I want to start with you though. And I want to start with your background, how you got to where you are today, because you are one of the best trainers in the business. And so I just want to hear your story. I mean, I guess you could have to go. I, you know, I've been asked this question before and I kind of, I attribute it to my roots in Missouri and the way that I grew up because it was very unorthodox and it was more or less, I grew up feral. You know, I had a mother that was 17, you know, had sex in a barn, got pregnant, that kind of story, but it's in Missouri in 1975. So, you know, that's, that's a weird time for that kind of stuff. It was embarrassing.

And my grandmother tried to hide it and all that kind of stuff, but that's another story. So I had this young mother that I, you know, it was incredible. The bond that we had growing up, you know, it was incredible, the bond that we had growing up. You know, I saw her trials and tribulations and what she had to go through. She wasn't, you know, the best mother, I guess, definitively, you know, like the things that she was able to do. We grew up very poor, you know, had food stamps. I think that those things, though, are very humbling in a way. And if you can process it and use that to your advantage, you know, I think there's a lot of great stories out there.

You hear a lot of good stories of people coming from very humble backgrounds and using that to either keep them where they're at, accept what, you know, society and life has given you, or you use that to get the hell out and empower you. You know, like, this is not what I want. I don't want to see my mom struggle. And I've always seen my mom struggle. My father was like, he was MIA. He was like, not mine.

And that's hard. Yeah. So it must have done something, whatever that formula was, propelled her into deciding that she was gay. Right. You know, and I'm like, you know, but as odd as that was, it was also one of the most incredible experiences to, you know, have that.

It empowered me in so many ways because I feel like I got to see things that most kids didn't really get to see or understand. I didn't have that male influence saying, you're going to be this, you need to do this. You know, that's what I was saying. I'm kind of feral as in a way I didn't have a structure. I didn't have a male influence saying, you're going to be this, you need to do this. You know, that's what I was saying. I'm kind of feral as in a way I didn't have a structure. I didn't have a lot of structure growing up.

I just, my mom was like, how's school? Cool. All right. You know, it wasn't like, how are your grades? Or I'm going to go to parent teacher meetings and things like that. I just have a lot of respect for women. And, you know, look, I'm not going to sit here and be self-righteous about, you know, the way that I, you know, process here and be self-righteous about the way that I process

things with women and especially that. But I did have a very incredible insight and upbringing. My grandmother gave me that structure that my mom couldn't. I think that was her way of making up for being a shitty parent because she wasn't a great parent. But grandma was the shit. Bartending until she was 85 years old, cigarettes, coffee every day, had a raspy voice. She's just a badass, you know? And I just, I just had that strength and, and, and, and, you know, power, you know, from the women's side growing up, you know? So I have, I mean, it wasn't great for me with my relationship with men because I just didn't go along with them, you know? It actually, like, you know, it was tough. It was really tough. I could see that. Didn't you get in your car then and just drive out to L.A.?

No, I actually. So what happened was, I mean, you know, I'm in Springfield, Missouri and which is my hometown down the Ozarks. And I got jumped one night. I was out with a bunch of friends. I was 19 and we'd all gone out and we were at a 24-hour steak and shake bar after the clubs. And yeah, a bad situation arose. I walked outside and this guy hit me in the face with a crowbar blinds. I didn't even see it. Oh my, that's right. Oh, wow. I forgot about that. So I just think that that was the big crossroads of my life. I woke up the next day and I'm like, I'm better than this. I actually looked in the mirror and I saw my face.

It was broken. And, you know, it was a bad situation, but it was one of those situations that life slaps you in the fucking face and says, you know, this is your, you know, this is your chance. You want to get out of your hometown. You want to do something. And I decided that I set a goal. I just said, I'm getting the fuck out and I'm going to go and I'm going to get out of your hometown. You want to do something. And I decided that I set a goal. I just said, I'm getting the fuck out and I'm going to go. I'm going to get my education. I moved to, yeah, when it was six months later, I packed everything I owned in my Jeep and I

moved to North Carolina. I think it was two years in North Carolina. Leaving Missouri was a big step for me, but to find my way and find who I was and figure these things out, moved to Italy, stayed there, I don't know, a year and really I figured out who I was and what I wanted. And it became very clear. And I came back to North Carolina, got into school, tested into school, and I ended up getting an internship in the strength conditioning department there. I mean, that's really where things started to change for me is, you know, I love hard work. I was an intern. I got hired as a strength conditioning coach full time. I worked there for a few years. And then, you know, I realized that there wasn't a lot of opportunity

to move up the chain there. Overall, it was just kind of like I wanted more and I wanted more information. I was getting hungry for this. I worked out my whole life i started working out when i was 11 years old oh wow a coach that believed in me and gave me the keys to this like really shitty gym where you're gonna get you know need a technic shot because everything's rusted whatever told me to do these things and i just kept doing it and i you know through dumb math of going okay if i do this i'm really good at sports and then as you get older you do this you're really good at sports the girls like you you know there's kind of like one of those you're like okay so that's pretty simple yeah i just it's just been something that's been part of my life and i started like testing it and going okay

well i'm gonna you know pull the chain here and i'm going to go out to Arizona. And I, I found this guy, his name's Luke Richardson, who I considered, you know, I really, I really liked his tenure, his, his voice, his, what he was, what he stood for his knowledge. I just thought that this guy was incredible and I wanted to learn from him. So I moved out to Arizona, started working for him. He got a job. I was there for, I don't know, a few months and learned a lot. It literally took the foundation of strength conditioning, which I learned at North Carolina. And here comes life. And I go out to Las Vegas to see a friend of mine and we went to the clubs and we went to the after part, you know, late clubs and all that kind of stuff. And I ended up running into this girl and I was just enamored. I was just like, it was like love at first sight. And she lived in California. And so I went out to visit her and decided that, you know, I was also going to look

at, you know, what was going on in Los Angeles because Los Angeles has always been that mecca for fitness. And as a strength coach, you don't even consider doing anything in fitness because it's kind of beneath you. Oh, interesting. Oh, yeah. We kind of were always like, oh, fitness, just go away. Yeah, that makes sense.

And again, remember, this is back in the early 2000s. So things have changed dramatically. And so I don't know. I just, this is back in the early 2000s. So things have changed dramatically. And so I don't know. I just I looked around. I looked at what the top guys were doing out here. And it was kind of like, oh, my God, you know, these guys are OK. It's alarming, but it's also like it's an opportunity. You know, you're like, I think I can make some real change.

You know, I pride myself on integrity, you know, like, and it doesn't matter whatever company I'm starting, whatever I'm doing. My intentions are always to help people some way, shape or form, no matter what it is. That's my intention. It's not what's the business model that's going to make me a lot of money. You know, I don't care about that. If, if it's good, it's going to make it. It's going to pay the bills. You know, I had this mentality and I think I'm pretty sure I coined the phrase because I never heard it before, but now it's everywhere where it's, you know, train like an athlete, you know, it's like train them like an athlete, fix them. And it has served me so, so well. I mean, it's actually the reason why I'm at this point, you know, is that I've been able to identify issues.

One of the best stories I have, I don't have time for this, but I'm going to give it anyway, is and I absolutely fucking adore this guy. Matt Damon is a good friend and an old client of mine. And he brought me or not him, his agent, who's a client of mine for 20 years, said, hey, I want you to train my boy, Matt. And so I drove out to malibu he was shooting i think it's we bought a zoo or something like that a long time ago it was horrible nobody heard of it but he was and and i'm sit down and met with this guy and and he was like look here's what we're gonna do we're gonna make you know pat Patrick happy. You're here. Okay. It's great. But you guys have hurt me. I've had 20, I've had dozens of trainers, every single one of you, he's pissed. Every single

one of you guys have, have hurt me. The last guy threw my back out and told me to deadlift. I wasn't able, you know, I wasn't at that point when I said, dude, I go, I get it. I go, the problem is Matt, people want to impress you. You're Matt Damon at this time. I said, dude, I go, I get it. I go, the problem is Matt, people want to impress you. You're Matt Damon at this time. He, you know, he's a big deal. He still is a big deal. But people, you know, they feel like they have to impress. So they've got to go above and beyond and they got to make you sore. They got to make you sweat. And it's very, um, kind of lowbrow crap that, um, that people, um, think that they're going to impress these people. And so, yeah, he hurt his back and he said, listen, man, I can't play with my kids.

He's like, I can't pick them up. My back is out. I've had a bad shoulder for a long time. And I said, okay. I said, I get this. I totally understand. I need you to understand something, though, that this isn't the formula for me. This isn't what I do. So I'm not here to impress you. I'm here to help you. I said,

give me two weeks. And in my mind, I was like, God, you know, like, what am I going to do? I sat down. I was like, and this is what I do with all my clients. I was like, I've got to find a way to, to build confidence and, and trust with this guy. And so I went after his shoulder and not the back, wasn't first, because that's a bigger picture. That's a lot of stuff that's going on. And so two weeks into it, you know, cut to, I walk in and, you know, throw a ball at him or something like that.

I was like, all right, hit me deep like that. And he threw it. And it was the arm that was really bad. He couldn't even lift it above his head. And I had fixed his shoulder and he goes, you son of a bitch. Oh, wow. He was like, oh, it's like that little moment. And I said, that got my foot in the door.

Yeah. And I was like, does that buy me some more time? Let me fix your back. Wow. And then once I did that, it was on. Yeah. I mean, you've trained everybody in the business or have you currently do or you have in the past. You know what? It's an impressive track record. I have to stop sometime and look back. I'm I'm

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even though I'll name drop for you. I mean, Jake Gyllenhaal, Brie Larson, Jennifer Aniston. I mean, like literally Bradley Cooper, everybody. Yeah. And you. I just want to do good work. And I love what I do. I really do. I truly love. I don't want to lose that love. I'm sure you understand this. Listen, you know, like you came into my life and I have such admiration for you and what you've been able to build and accomplish. And, you know, we surround ourselves with these types of people that, you know, can give us some inspiration or some insight or perspective or whatever. And it's really important to me. And I really value, I really value our relationship, you know, so. Me too. Well, let's talk about that. Okay. Well, do you like that segue? I did. Good job, Jason. You should host the podcast.

I'll be back. Let's talk about how we met because I think people will want to know that. So let's see. So you, okay, you used to have Rise Nation. Quickly explain the difference between Rise Nation and Rise Movement. I was motivated to start something and change the industry, you know, because I think that it's, I do see the good. I like the community aspect. I

like that some of the, you know, there, you've got the ability to touch a lot of people at, at one time, you know, and, and it did what I've created. I created rise nation, which was the, you know, climbing machine, which is a climber, right. Which was, you know, like a relic at that time. But in the sports world it was very relevant and it was very useful they kick your ass it's it's tough right but that's not the point i didn't do it to go okay i got something that's going to really kick people's ass it's like it's there's also issues with that like it's so hard it's not fun there's zero impact it's the cross crawl motion that you know the cross crawl motion is something that they even use in rehabilitative state.

It's so important to work the both hemispheres of the brain. No other exercise does that, that cross-crawl motion. So it puts the, you know, puts the pieces back together on a neuromuscular level. Wow. I did not know that. So, yeah. So it's really, it's superior than anything else that was out there at the time. I started in 2014.

It became like a zeitgeist and like LeBron James was bringing his teammates and the LA Rams were coming and on a, on a regular, we even trained Lady Gaga there for one of her tours. And then COVID came in and just crushed us. Yeah. Crushed. It used to be two blocks from my old condo in LA. So I used to come out and I would do it all the time.

I mean, that was what I did. I think I took the 6 a.m. class. So I never actually met you because you would teach the later class. Right. My best friend, Justin Anderson, who you know very well. You guys were very good friends. Hey, we used to go out, you know, like I love Justin. He's the best.

He's the fucking riot. So he was like, you need to i love justin he's the best he's the fucking riot was like you need to take jason walsh's class he was like for two reasons one it's really hard because your class was always 45 minutes well so it's harder well yeah and he's like and i need to know if you think he's hot so i was like all right i'll take his class so i went and took your class so i went and took your class and I reported back to him that yes, I did in fact think you were good looking. And then he came out another trip and we both took your class together. That's when you and I officially met.

And then we decided I was going to take private lessons from you at your other private studio. This was a really pivotal moment in my life because this was what was supposed to be like a week or two before my divorce. And, you know, well, what happened was I came out here at the time I was doing a lot of hosting for all the big award shows. So I was out here for the Oscars and we worked out and you asked me if my ex-husband and I were going to have more kids. And I specifically said, we're in no place to have more kids. Knowing damn well in about a week or two after spring break, we're done. I'm moving out. Like, you know, I was surprised. I didn't know

that there was, I was like, I was like genuinely like, you know, you, you have, you know, kids and like, do you guys think you would have more? Yeah. No, just a normal conversation. Yeah. And you were like, I like planted that little seed. I was like, Oh God, no. So I go home, I go on spring break and that's exactly when COVID hit, you know? And so long story short, I ended up being in the Bahamas for almost a month, came home, figured out my shit, moved out all the things. And then because I had a condo in LA, I used to come out to LA a lot during COVID until I was able to move into my new house. And so you and I started hanging out shortly thereafter. And it was really like, it was, we were hanging out. It really started off, I think, genuinely

like pure admiration and friendship, you know? And then there was, yeah. You know what I'm saying? It was very respectful. It wasn't, it didn't feel weird or anything like that. It was like, we got along, we were like old friends or something like that. That's how it felt on my end. It really, I was just, you know, I think that, I think that you're an incredible person. And when I met you, I was like, wow, you know, like I was just blown away, you know, like your mother, you know, I started to get to know who you were and your story and what you're going through and that point in your life. But it was just like, I had nothing but admiration and respect for you. Well, and vice versa. I think when we were hanging out, it was such an

interesting time for both of us. It was COVID. Obviously, it was weird for everybody. I'm going through a divorce. You were going through a lot with your business. I was just going through. Yeah. I was, you know, it's a weird fucking time. And it, you know, I think that there was, for me, I think there are just different pivotal moments in your life. There's chapters in your life. There's, you know, we all go through our own maturation and evolution as a person. And, you know, I think at that point in time, it was, I had a lot of compassion and empathy and things like these kind of running through my mind. And I don't know, I really, we really got along and we were friends and it started off very organic. Remember I asked you, I will never forget it. Cause you

know, this was a big deal for me. Cause this was the first guy. And I knew that. I know. I know. So the first guy in over 10 years that I'm like in this new situation. So when did you get married? How old were you? Well, I met my ex-husband when I was 23. Yeah. So, you know, we were together for 10 years. Yeah. The first guy is an adult, you know, that I was hanging out with. And I remember Pache, we went to dinner and this was, I don't know, after know, that I was hanging out with. And I remember Pache, we went to dinner and this was, I don't know, after a couple of months of hanging out. And I was like, so, you know, like tiptoeing around the conversation, like, so what are we, are we dating? You know, and you're like, I will say you're the most mature guy I've ever, ever been with because,

and you know, you said, well, let's, you know, finalize your divorce and then we'll see what happens. You know, I wanted to think that at that point I wanted to be respectful and I wanted, it was an opportunity for, to me, to like be an adult, you know, like I think that at that point in time, you know, I've, I'm not going to be self-righteous about women and what I've gone through in these things. We all do things and make mistakes and I don't consider mistakes either. You know, like I, you know, like we, we have different phases of our lives and this was an opportunity. I'm, I'm 49 years old, you know, like at that time, I don't know, 40, whatever. And, and it was an opportunity to really be, you know, empathetic and, and think these things through

instead of just making a reaction or know and I I knew that you with your kids involved and the ex-husband and where you were at and you know I was really thinking about you during this point I didn't want to to to be anything other than a you know a good person in your life you know I was really worried about that like I had to like take a lot of things into consideration I'm proud of myself for doing that because I don't think that that was, I would have done that in the past. I just, I'm like, you know, it's almost like a selfish thing where you're just like, you know, I love this woman. And, and I think that that's, that's, that's another thing. It's like, how do you define love? You know? And sometimes,

sometimes it, it looks a lot different than what you realize or the stereotypical definition. And for me, it was knowing that I have to do the right thing here. And that to me was like, how can I show how you mean to me? And it felt very mature. And I felt I was kind of proud of myself for doing things the right way. I know because I, obviously older than you, I've gone through things and I wish somebody would have done these things for me. Yeah.

Remember? And I said to you, what did I say to you? I said, we were getting close and spending time together. And I genuinely, you know, had feelings for you and cared for you. But I wasn't going to be selfish enough to like keep you you know like in that space I knew what you needed and you got married and you lost a lot of that like time to grow and figure your shit out and figure out who you were I said Kristen you have got to like spread your wings you need to know what it feels like to be alone

you don't need to know what that feels like to be alone. You need to know what that feels like to be scared and like figure out who the fuck you are because you haven't had the chance. It was really stunted. And as much as I didn't want to do it, I did it. Well, and it really was the coolest thing any guy has ever done for me where you really were just thinking about me.

I had never experienced that before. Right. And you were right. That was exactly what I needed. You needed these things. I saw it and that before. Right. And you were right. That was exactly what I needed. You needed these things. I saw it and I wasn't going to be the guy that was like, you know, I just would have felt like a piece of shit. And I didn't want to feel that way. You know, and I want it. Look, we're still like great fucking friends. Right. And I do think and I'm curious what your thoughts are, too, about how we've been able to be good friends. I do think, and I'm curious what your thoughts are too about how we've been able to be good friends. I do think it's because we were always honest with each other. There was always mutual

respect. There was, we just, and we never let it get weird after either. There was a lot of admiration on both sides. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, you know, my story, where I came from, what my motives are in life, what I want to accomplish, you know, it's pretty simple stuff. And again, I look back at my humble beginnings and staying true to myself. I want to stay genuine and authentic and I don't want to be a hypocrite. So I just think that there's a lot of admiration and respect for one another. And it grew into something. I consider you one of my really close and best friends because I trust you implicitly. And I love seeing you go through

your maturation as a woman and being able to see and go and do things. And I've known you for a while now and you're about the happiest I've ever seen you. And it makes me really, really fucking happy. Thank you. Yeah. I mean, and vice versa. You know, I think that's what's so beautiful about us is that we just want the best for each other. Yeah. And I know no matter what, even if we didn't talk for two months and I got myself into

a situation, I could always call you. Yeah. And you would always be there. Always. Always. Yeah. Okay, guys, let's talk about Lume. While vacation season is kind of coming to an end here, I did absolutely love all of the trips that I took this summer. Of course, my favorite was Greece,

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to me, that doesn't count. So my real first experience on a motorcycle was with you. And we used to whip around the Hollywood Hills. And with where I was at in my life of getting out of this 10 year marriage and feeling that sense of freedom coupled with being on a motorcycle and having to just completely let go and leaning into it and going on these turns. It was the most incredible feeling I've ever experienced. Women need, I think that you just need someone that's going to put you first and make you feel good. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.

And, and. That's what you did. And on many levels, you know, like it's, it's, it's not being selfish and it's just being, you know, respectful and loving and, and putting that first. So, you know, I think it's incredible that that's how it went and what came out of it is this incredible friendship. And I just, again, I'm very happy to see you.

You know, I get to sit back and watch how things, you know, play out. And it's never been, and it's also never been weird. There's never been a weird moment. We never let it get weird. It was never, it was never. When I tell people I still work out with you, some people are like, how?

I'm like, that was never even, like, of course I was going to work out with Jason when I go to LA. That was never a thing. And again, I don't think that we had the, like, stereotypical kind of like, we're dating and then blah, blah, blah. It was like we were there for each other. I, you know, I needed you on certain levels. And I think that the biggest level for me was to do the right thing. And, you know, I needed to be able to to do the right thing and if you know I needed to be able to do that you know yeah it was crazy I know the motorcycle thing I love I've been

riding motorcycles for like oh I don't know since I was 14 or something like that and the other one I just thought of this was when we went to Malibu and saw the phytoplankton oh when it first yeah the first time that we heard about the blue water and we're like sitting there waiting, didn't see it, didn't see it. And then all of a sudden we saw it. Yeah. That was awesome. Yeah. We had a lot of fun for the middle of COVID. But okay. You are one of the best trainers in the business. So of course I have to ask you some training stuff. And so while you're great at getting men jacked for movies, you're also incredible with women's bodies as well. Most of my listeners are women. So I do want to focus on women's bodies. So I just want you to

break it down for us. How often should women be working out and should we be weight training? Should we be doing cardio? What is the formula there? Oh, well, it's complicated because, you know, everybody's different and complicated. And I do. that's why I still think that personal, the training that I do, the one-on-one training is still the best by far. And I don't think that'll ever change. And it's not because I'm biased towards it. It's just because every single person I get in

has something going on with their body. Down to nutrition, I don't think that the training and the science of training is, it's the easiest part, you know, it's really just staying active, moving. I don't know. Every day. Fuck more. I don't know. You know, like, I, you know, like, honestly, you know, it's like move and good cardio. It could be, it should be, but no, just the endorphins and the feel,

you know, the things that come with that, I think are really important, but no, I think that sleep is a big one that is kind of a new topic. That's a hot topic right now. I think nutrition is, is, is major for body composition things that, that to me, but just like in LA, you know how it is in LA it's you drive everywhere, right? When I'm in New York, I come back in New York from just walking and being out all day. And I'm exhausted. I'm exhausted. My joints hurt. I'm like, man, I just, and I was like 20,000 steps or something.

You know, I don't think there's any one formula, magic formula for everyone. I think everybody's got to figure that stuff out. For the most part, I tell people just to get outside, you know, and, you know, after COVID with the psychological aspects and things like that, it's just like being out and starting to like, remember, you know, what it's like to move and be happy. Sleep is a big problem with a lot of my clients, you know, it's a big issue. And again, nutrition is a big issue. Well, when you talk about nutrition, what I love about you is that you eat healthy normally, but you don't deprive yourself.

What is healthy though? Well, right. I mean. Let's define what healthy is, you know, because it's. Eating real food. Yeah. It's like, it doesn't have to be so complicated. Remember these people in the fitness industry want to keep things complicated.

They want to keep you confused. The biohackers, these, you know, it's, it's, it's money. They want to, it's greed and money. And I'm sorry. Now there is some good information. There's some good stuff out there. And, and, you know, I want to like state that everything that I'm saying from here, pretty much for the rest of the podcast is in my opinion. And, you know, I've got years under my belt to see and test these opinions or these theories on people, and I can see what the results are. But, you know, I always defer to like dieticians, not nutritionists, because everybody goes on and gets certified. I'm a nutritionist and you're going, okay, which is just a person with a lot of opinions. Dieticians are scientists. These people get

licensed, you know, like they, I don't want to take, I don't want to, you know, take from, from, from their expertise and start putting my opinion because then again i think i'm part of the problem i would always defer to these guys but i will tell you you know my opinions on things and i look my dad died at 42 of a heart attack dying of sleep and i have genetic disposition to like coronary artery disease. And so I started going in and get my blood test and I saw that my cholesterol was, you know, not good. I'm like, how? I don't eat poorly. And so I just started doing some deep dives into that stuff and getting my heart scanned and it got to a point where, you know, I just, I was, you know, I needed to take more steps and, and getting on a statin

and changing my diet. I'm, I'm pretty much like I pushed more into like plant-based. And what I mean by that is that I eat a hell of a lot more vegetables and beans, legumes, and things like that. I I'm just healthier at this point. And I do really, really enjoy it. It's new to me. It's just something I'm kind of discovering and understanding. And, you know, with that diet and my blood work has done. I mean, it's changed dramatically. And it's just a fun test, you know? Yeah, I love testing.

I do. Yeah. Like what works for you? And I think that's important that people kind of find that thing. I don't like diets. I don't think that there's one thing that fits all. You know, I don't think there's any cheat codes out there, the Ozempic stuff like that. I think it can be good.

I think it can be useful. But I also think that they're not telling you the whole truth right now. And there hasn't been enough tests for these things long term. And I think that there is always the piper has to be paid. You're going to pay the price if you want the cheat code. I agree. Strength training is important. Look, the muscle, the body responds to stress.

The problem I have with telling people to go out and do strength training is the majority of the time they're going to go to these boot camps or places like that, pick up some weights, do things wrong. And I've seen so many injuries. That's why I will never advocate that stuff. There's some apps out there. I just, you know, the problem with the fitness industry is that it's a default industry for a lot of people during COVID, especially people are like, I don't know what I'm going to do. I'm going to, I'm going to be, I like to work out. I'm a trainer. Yeah. It's not regulated. So people are very fraudulent in that they, you know, overstate their claims to what they are in the industry.

You know, if I hear someone tell me they're a celebrity trainer one more time, I'm going to just, who cares? Don't call yourself. I know you're trying to put yourself up on a pedestal. It gives a shit, you know? Like, I like training people. I train my clients like they're just normal people.

And that's all it is. But, you know, it's important that we start to like peel back the onion and start to do the right thing in this industry because it's going down a really bad, it's going down a really bad path. And I don't, you know, I don't know. I think we can save it. You know, you single handedly. No, I'm too tired.

I'm too old and too tired at this point. So I know personally, I've really upped my protein in the last year and I've noticed a difference with my body. And I'm curious, you know, you have a protein powder, which I'm so excited that you have right here, but what is your take on protein? How important is it? And how much should we be getting? Well, it is a macro protein is obviously important. So I brought some stuff too, because I'm not going to sit here and just promote my stuff. Look at you.

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No, I look, I was on a project with one of my clients and it was for Roadhouse. And there's a lot of issues out there in the supplement industry. It's bad. It's some big industries that want huge margins. There's a lot of money to be made. And I have a hard time with that. I don't feel like they really have people's, genuinely have people's health in mind. They just, it's a greedy, greedy industry and it's really bad sourcing and a lot of bad

ingredients. And that kind of just led me down this path because my client was having a lot of issues like GI issues and from the protein. And, you know, these things are really hard to digest and break down and your body can inevitably have issues with enzymes that it's not producing the protease to break down in these big proteins. I don't know. It was an opportunity. Again, it was like identifying, like I did when I moved to LA, that there's something missing. I think that there's something that can be, you know, better. I identified it.

And I decided to come up with this protein. Mostly, it wasn't to come up with a bag and a brand and all this kind of, it just started as we can formulate this protein that is broken down very easily. It's a full, perfect protein. And so we actually figured out the formula for this and it comes from plant-based proteins. That way everybody, we didn't do it plant-based to be like vegan or anything. It's like, how do we make something that everybody can take? So anyway, we came up with this formula and our client absolutely loved it. Was able to put on, you know, muscle.

You know, the media loves to talk about, you know, protein synthesis and hypertrophy and putting muscle on. But it actually helps with metabolism. Right. That makes sense. It helps with like cell, like turnover, like you want to stay youthful. Oh yeah. Right. It's not just the protein, the muscle thing.

So for women, it's even, you know, it's really important for collagen and elastin and these things that help with the, with the youthfulness of skin. Amazing. That's not reason enough. You know, like do your research, you know, like. Make sure it's good quality. Make sure it's in the sourcing. And so they're like, look, this is a high-end protein supplement that I came up with.

One of the main reasons why I like it is that it's like eight ounces of water. It mixes. You don't have to have a blender. It doesn't have to be this daunting thing where you have like a huge shake and you have to choke this thing down it's just like it's good it's like can i can i make you a quick one and then we'll you know so you know eight ounces of water get a little shaker cup okay i hope i don't get this on your on your couch here no you're fine but i wanted to you know make this work for you too And I had to tell people how much I love your candles and the face tint. I know.

I love it. Have you really been using it? Yeah. Do you have? This is what I got it on right now. And you have it on? I was like, I'm going to wear makeup. That's why you look so good.

Your skin is glowing. Is it? Yeah, the bronzer drops. All right. But look, no shaker ball, none of that. Oh, right. It mixes so well. I have a bag at my condo here i have a bag

that's the protein that's 30 grams of protein in a very small amount nice of volume it's really good it's good i'm not just saying that i do i drink it at home yeah i do kids try let the kids try my oldest my grandmother used to give me protein from shackley when i was a kid and i was like but I liked it. So I drank it. My oldest is doing protein shakes now. Look at me. Anyway.

All right. You're the best. Well, I really appreciate you sharing your story and being so honest and open. It's very sweet of you to be here. And, you know, I just adore you and I appreciate you.