Let's Be Honest with Kristin Cavallari - The Hills: Mess With Me I Mess With You (Season 5, Episode 12)

Episode Date: November 18, 2025

It’s another wild ride down memory lane as our Hills rewatch continues! This week, I’m dishing on it all — from Audrina standing me up to making out with Justin Bobby, what really went down during those “wake-up” scenes, and the moment I’m still not proud of. I open up about how I managed to separate real life from show life, what I’d love to ask Justin Bobby today, the hardest part of filming reality TV, and the surreal moment I realized… my parents watched all of it.A word from my sponsors:Quince - Go to Quince.com/honest for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns.Nutrafol - See thicker, stronger, faster-growing hair with less shedding in just 3-6 months with Nutrafol. For a limited time, Nutrafol is offering our listeners ten dollars off your first month’s subscription and free shipping when you go to Nutrafol.com and enter the promo code HONEST.Wayfair - Don’t miss out on early Black Friday deals. Head to Wayfair.com now to shop Wayfair’s Black Friday deals for up to 70% off.Hero Bread - Hero Bread is offering 10% off your order. Go to hero.co and use code HONEST at checkout.Cymbiotika - Go to Cymbiotika.com/Honest for 20% off plus free shippingBon Charge - Go to boncharge.com/HONEST and use coupon code HONEST to save 15%.For more Let's Be Honest, follow along at:@kristincavallari on Instagram@kristincavallari and @dearmedia on TikTokLet's Be Honest with Kristin Cavallari on YouTubeProduced by Dear Media.This episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct, or indirect financial interest in products, or services referred to in this episode.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The following podcast is a dear media production. This is Let's Be Honest with Kristen Cavalry, a podcast all about getting real and open on everything from sex, relationships, reality TV, wellness, family, and so much more. And just a fair warning, there will probably be some oversharing. Okay, guys, here we go. We are back to do another Hills rewatch episode. the most fun I'm having. God, it's been such a trip for me to go and watch these episodes. I don't remember anything that happened. It's so weird. I feel like I'm watching it for the very first time. I'm not sure what that says. I blacked everything out of my memory. I don't know. But it's crazy. It's been crazy. Okay. So today's episode we are doing is titled,

Mess with me. I mess with you. A classic line from yours truly. Definitely sounds like something I would say back in the day. So this episode opens up with a scene with Stacey, the bartender and I. And it's funny to me because out of nowhere, I'm just really good friends with Stacy. I mean, there's no backstory whatsoever, no explanation as to how we even know each other. And to be fair, I don't even remember exactly the first time I met her. Obviously, I met her through the show. I did not know Stacey beforehand, but all of a sudden they have us at lunch together. I guess it's one. I don't know.

You never actually see us eating on the show. We're just always at a restaurant. But, and it's like we're best friends. And I will say, I really liked Stacey from the moment I met her. This is kind of a small, it just goes to show you how small the world is. So I actually ran into Stacey the bartender here in Franklin, Tennessee a few years ago at a jump place that I used to to bring my kids to all the time when they were a little bit younger. And she was there with Joel, her husband, who I knew back in the day. I think she met him right on the heels of us

filming the hills. And they've got two kids now. And she had moved here to Franklin, Tennessee. I mean, what are the chances so random? We just naturally ran into each other. It was really fun to see her. She's the exact same. And she no longer lives here anymore. But her brother, I don't know if you guys know this, this is kind of a fun reality fact for you. Her brother is Josh Hall, who was on all of those HG TV shows. He, I think, infamously got a divorce from Christina. I don't, I'm not super familiar with that world, but I think if you guys know this world, you know who I'm talking about. Anyways, that's her brother. And you guys, he owns the land next to me and is building a house next to me. Like, what? If you told me 15 years ago,

that I'd be living next to Stacey the bartender's brother at age 38. I'd be like, there's no way. Like, in Franklin, Tennessee, just so random. So, okay, that's just a random fun fact for you guys. So anyways, okay, Stacy and I are setting up that Adrina and I are going to talk, that I want to talk to Adrina. And I tell her that the only reason I went to drinks with Justin Bobby was to tell him that we should just be friends, that nothing was going to happen.

And obviously, that did not play at all in our quote-unquote date that the show tried to make it seem like. They never once showed me saying that, of course, and this drinks was from the last episode. And they definitely made it seem like we were flirting the whole time. So I feel like that was sort of like the storyline I wanted to run with where I was like, I want to make it very clear that nothing's going to happen with Justin and I. And obviously, the show had other plans. peruge. You know what I noticed, too, in all of these scenes is how raspy my voice was. It was like, I was always partying and like I was, because I probably was. But my voice was always so raspy. I always sounded like I was hung over. So there is a huge wild line. And I say the wild line portion is

Adrina, if you want to sit down and be adults and figure it out. And then they cut to my mouth and I say, I will. So I, who knows what I was talking? about, but I clearly did that wild line later and then they knew that they could splice it in. And basically, it's implying that I want to sit down. I want to talk about this. You know, I want to put everything out on the table, which, you know, hey, I appreciate from MTV because I do feel like, I do feel like that was probably how I really felt. And again, I want to remind you guys because Adrina and I did not talk this entire season. And she really thought this whole time that I was, in fact, dating Justin Bobby. I mean, she thought this

storyline was very real. And so I do think her emotion about Justin and I is very real. And I would imagine her feelings towards me were also very real. And so I can't blame her for anything that she says about me. I mean, honestly, I mean, yes and no, I guess I would still resort back to the fact that I thought we were going to be allies. And then the stint that she pulled at the London Hotel made me be like, okay, well, clearly, you know, this is the route we're taking. Hence why at the London Hotel, I say, if this is how it's going to be, if this is how it's going to be, it's all fucking on, bitch. Because I mean, that's just how I was back in the day. Like, if you fuck with me, I fuck with you. Mess with me. I mess with you. So anyways, Stacey and I are

talking about me going on a motorcycle ride with Justin and how he wants to take me out on his bike. and I say Audrina would be really pissed. I mean, yeah, no shit. And they cut to Adrina shopping with her sister. Okay, and Audrina says that I texted her wanting to go to lunch, saying maybe I want to apologize and that Justin's just doing it to piss off Adrina, which, by the way, I want to say, I could be wrong about this, but I want to say I did not actually text her.

I think what happened was MTV was trying to be. to orchestrate a lunch between the two of us. And I think I was also saying, like, I want to talk to Audrina. That's, I don't remember those conversations, but I just know how I am. And I would imagine that that's the stance I had taken. But she's saying, you know, you can't trust her, meaning me, the girls are saying, Lauren told her that you can't trust me, that I'm a boyfriend stealer. And so she's not going to go to lunch with me. And let me just go on record here and say that I can put, I would put money on the fact that I don't think Lauren ever told her that you can't trust me and that I'm a boyfriend stealer because I just want to acknowledge the fact that I never stole anyone's boyfriend. Okay. I don't think Lauren would say that when that's sort of like what she was accused of on Laguna Beach. I never stole anyone's boyfriend. That's just not my character. I never have. I never would. So I can't imagine someone saying that about me. But again, it's just amps up the drama for the show.

So, okay, so I'm wanting to go to lunch with Audrina. She's saying she's not going. Okay. Then we cut to the comedic relief, which is Heidi and Spencer. So they're in their new house. Their house is right by the Hollywood sign. Very cool. This was also a fake house.

We've established that my Malibu house was a fake house. Heidi and Spencer's sick house up in the hills is also fake. That was not their real house. and Heidi is really pushing the fact that she wants kids. Spencer does not want kids at all. I mean, this is like the meat of their storyline. Is Heidi really wanting to get Spencer on board to have kids? And Spencer really pushing back on that.

And again, I mean, I hate bursting people's bubbles, but that was all pretty much for the show. Heidi and Spencer are pros in the sense that, I'd say there was like a handful of us, right, filming these shows where we knew, okay, we need storylines, we need drama, we need to bring it because we're making a TV show. So there were a lot of people that fell into that bucket. And then there were some people that fell into the bucket of like just not knowing what was real and what was fake and just getting lost in the gray area. And I always felt like coming from Laguna Beach, that was a

scary place to be because you just, you know, you don't know what's real and what's fake. And it's, you can really lose yourself in that, I think. And so that's why when I joined the hills, I really made it a point to have a totally separate life. Like, I had my friends off camera. I dated off camera. And then there was show life. And it was really easy because we only filmed three days a week, three days a week. And three different scenes a day.

And it was very much like an acting job in the sense where, you know, you got your call time. And you knew what three scenes you were going to be shooting. And like, let's say I was in all three scenes on Wednesday. well, I had to have all three of my outfits planned out, and if they were going to be back to back, I would have to bring my change of clothes with me. Like, let's say I was filming a scene at Brody's house for the first scene, and then I would change and go to a lunch scene, and then I would potentially have to change again and then go to drinks. Or sometimes I wouldn't be in the second scene so I could go home and change or whatever, and that would come back for the third scene.

Like, it just all depended on what was going on. And we filmed wake up. scenes sometimes at three o'clock in the afternoon. I mean, it's so funny because I will kind of read some of the comments on these hills posts. I'm just kind of curious what you guys are saying. And I saw some people when I said that I didn't date Justin Brody, Justin Brody, oh my God, Justin Bobby. They were like, but you felt, but there was a wake-up scene with you guys. I was like, oh, guys, we've got so much to unpack still. A wake-up scene was never really a wake-up scene. Oh, actually, there was one. And that was in Miami. we will get to that, which I can't wait for. I was like the only real wake-up scene.

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that is supposed to be Adrina and I. I am sitting there and I'm in six inch heels, which I noticed immediately. Oh, my God. I can't even wear six inch heels ever anymore. I mean, I used to live in heels, the higher, the better. And now I don't know what happened. You know what it was? When I was pregnant for basically, I don't know, like three years straight, like it wasn't three years. But basically for three and a half years straight, I was either pregnant. under breastfeeding. But during that phase, I stopped wearing heels. And I was always wearing heels before that. And it made it so that I don't know what happened with my feet. I literally can no longer wear those really high heels anymore. I don't know. So it's just funny to me.

I was just going to a casual lunch and a six six inch heel. Okay. So what happened was Adrina stands me up at this lunch. And so low comes in. And what happened was, because I do vaguely remember this. Audrina really did stand me up. And I shouldn't say, yes, she stood me up, but also I didn't really have any communication with her. It was all through MTV. And same thing with Lowe. It wasn't like I texted Lowe and was like, can you come meet me? MTV orchestrated all of that. But I will say, because this was real, Lowe wasn't just on standby. And I was waiting there for a very long time. And I remember that. And so, listen, I mean, that is making a statement. by Adrina, for sure, especially because you guys have to understand from my perspective,

so far from my perspective, nothing has actually happened with Justin and I, because the London Hotel doesn't count. Nothing obviously happened with Justin and I, and the girls freaked out. So I was pissed. I did go and get drinks with Justin. Again, because you guys, I'm filming a TV show. And I'm, I looked at the hills as a job. So when they're like, hey, we're going to have you go get drinks with Justin Bobby. I'm like, okay. And in my head, I'm going, but I'm going to tell him, nothing is ever going to happen between the two of us. Obviously, they didn't air that. But that was my intention. And so in my head, I'm like, cool, I still want to talk to Audrina. And I wanted to tell Audrina that I had told Justin Bobby,

nothing was going to happen. But she blows me off. And so I'm also like, I'm still kind of confused. Because again, Audreyna and I had talked leading up to it. I thought we were going to be allies. I thought we were going to be buddies. The whole London hotel thing blew up. And now she's standing me up. And I just wanted to tell her where I was coming from. So I'm like, fuck this girl, essentially. So Lowe comes and she says she's surprised I called her. She asks if something is going on with Justin and I. And I tell her no, that we flirted at drinks, but it was just getting to know each other. And I tell Lowe that he told me that Audrina and Justin were never a couple, which, which, you know, she has this look on her face, like, oh, my God, I can't believe it. Which, by the way, we all know how guys are. I think there's two, kind of two parts to this when a guy says that nothing was really going on with them. I think, yes, I think sometimes guys definitely lie. And again, I never saw the hills prior to me joining the show.

So I don't know what was said on camera or not or even just between the two of them. But there's a strong chance that he told Adriena they were together and then he lied to me about it, thousand percent. There's also a strong chance that he never said, yes, Adrina, we are a couple, were exclusive, but they acted like it. And she took it like they were exclusive and they were a couple when in his head, they weren't. Those are two very real, very real scenarios that could have happened. And I, to this day, still don't know obviously what it was between them. But it's not like I'm sitting there going, oh, yeah, no, I mean, I definitely believe Justin. Like, I wasn't, you know, I wasn't coming from that stance. I was just saying, like, I think

because I hadn't actually talked to Adriena and I had only talked to Justin, in my head, I was thinking, okay, well, I think she probably thought they were more than they actually were. So just throwing that out there. I laughed at this because I say that I'm actually hurt because I put myself out there and she blew me off. Like, okay, fucking relax, Kristen. You're hurt that Adriena blew you off. I mean, I guess maybe hurt was probably the wrong word. I think it was fair that I was pretty disappointed and kind of bummed out because I was

trying to be a girl's girl consistently, right? Like, it wasn't like the London Hotel thing happened. And I was like, fuck her. Okay, I'm going to go, you know, date Justin. I still was trying to meet up with her and tell her that nothing was going on and she wouldn't listen to me. So anyways, I just think like, okay, relax. I'm trying to play the victim. Like, everyone just needs to calm down. So there's another wild line, which I say, I probably should just go for Justin. Complete wild line. And then that's when I do say,

you mess with me. I mess with you. Which fully thousand percent is something that would have come out of my mouth. And, I mean, it did come out of my mouth. I'm just saying, like, that was very much a me line back in the day. And then they have me laughing and Lowe looking absolutely terrified. So then they have Adrina shopping again. The girl loves to shop. And now she's with Lowe and Stephanie. And Lowe is downloading Adrina on the conversation that we had. And Lowe says that I seemed sincere, but I had such an attitude that it's hard to believe. So that statement is a bit of an oxymoron. And she told her that I already went out with him. It's just so funny because, like, again, to me, that wasn't a date. I met Justin for drinks because MTV asked me to.

Like, you guys, open up your eyes. That's not a date. And again, I told Lowe that I told Justin at drinks, nothing was going to happen between the two of us. And Adrina says it's girl code. You know, you just don't do that. But again, I would argue, Adriena, I'm sitting here trying to to do right by Girl Code. I mean, I thought I had Girl Code leading into the London Hotel, that went out the window. And then I try to meet up with you again to establish some sort of a connection between the two of us, some sort of line of communication so that she could understand nothing was actually going on. And so I would like to say, Hey, Adriena, Girl Code right back in your face, my little sweet thing. By the way, again, totally can appreciate that she

really thought Justin and I were dating. By the way, I love Audrina too. Adrina and I are friends. I'm not like talking shit on Adrina. And this is obviously so long ago in our early 20s. And it's very different now. So my point is, though, I can totally appreciate why she didn't come to lunch, why she's kind of upset with me? I mean, I get it. And by the way, like, why didn't I just text her and be like, hey, Adrina, nothing is going on with Justin and I? I don't know. I don't know. Well, I don't know. That's, who knows? I guess maybe because it was the biggest storyline on camera. So I felt like maybe I needed to save it for camera. I don't really know. But if you have that question, I also kind of have that question too. So I don't know. All right. So the ladies

are setting up that they are going to go see this band, which is so funny because the whole conversation is pretty much wild lines. And then now we're back at Heidi Spencer's and we are in meeting their neighbors. And their neighbors have a six-year-old nephew. And And I did remember Enzo. Enzo was like the only thing I really remember from the show. But I remember thinking Enzo was such a character. He's so funny. And I mean, he really is. He's so bubbly on camera. And he's just, I mean, he's hilarious. And like, I just think also what a funny storyline. The whole Heidi and Spencer, you know, Heidi wants kids. Spencer doesn't want kids. And now they have a neighbor with a six-year-old kid. Like, oh my gosh, what a coincidence. I also, oh, I should have texted Heidi. I really

need to just have Heidi on Speeddell for this stuff. But I want to say that was not their neighbor, you guys. I don't think that this couple in Enzo were their real neighbors. Could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure. So Heidi says she would love to babysit Enzo. And it's really cute. Enzo calls Spencer Spender. I just thought that was kind of genius. And God, Spencer says this line to Heidi, you guys. He says, Heidi, I'm trying to look at you and I'm not even seeing the girl I'm married. You're so crazy because he's pissed about Heidi offering to babysit. And while Spencer is playing it up and essentially playing this character, him and Heidi both, they're in on the joke. I can see why the audience, why he rubbed the audience the wrong way, because talking to your wife like that,

some of the things he says, I was also like, I don't like that. Even if, even if you guys are not being serious, I still was like, oh, it didn't sit well with me, Spender. Spender. We can't talk to our wife like that, even if, even if it's a storyline. I didn't like it. Now we're just randomly out at a clip. And it's Brody and Frankie. And then Justin and me, and they make it seem like Justin and I showed up together. Oh, also Stephanie is there. Thank God, because, you know, she's Audrina's eyes. And so they make it seem like we came together. Brody says that we came together. and they, like, cut to me and I'm like, do some, like, dumb face or whatever, which was obviously not my response to Brody. Who knows what that was my response to? We did not show up together.

Let me remind everybody again, I never saw Justin outside of filming. Not one time. Not one time. So I actually showed up with some of my girlfriends. I saw my friend Chelsea, like for two seconds and some of these clips throughout the episode or the next two episodes. and, but they don't show that. But, like, I showed up with my girlfriends. And so, but Brody says that I'm transforming Justin Bobby and that he looks really good. Which, like, I can't. I get, like, everyone just, like, really fueling the storyline. It's funny to me. You guys know, I love this brand. I always get excited to talk to you about it. And I say it every time, but it's symbiotica. You guys know I'm a bit of a nut when it comes to what I'm

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I told you guys, I had a whole separate group of friends that were not on the show. I was dating someone to, I'm trying to think when I was dating him. It might, you know what? It was around, I think it was around this time. And so the night before this club scene, I was out all night, you guys. Like, all fucking night. I don't think I really slept. And then I showed up to a club and was filming. I mean, I looked at the scene, because I'll never forget that, because I was, I would hope that was a big deal for me that I didn't really sleep. And then I showed up to film. Like, that's bad shit crazy.

And I remember being like, oh, but I like was totally fine. And I, you know, like brought my A game filming. And I'll never forget it too because this was the first time or was it the, it may have been the only time actually that Justin and I kissed on camera. Well, the only time we ever kissed. But the producers had asked me to kiss him. And I, you guys, I don't know if he knows that or not, actually. I was really trying to remember.

And, but wait, I feel like because, okay, so the whole night, they have us, they have Justin and I going to the bar. We're getting some tequila. And we're, you know, we're kind of flirting. We're dancing together at one point. And at the bar, he wants to know what I think about him. And, you know, I tell him that the girls had nothing nice to say about him, but that all the guys had really great things to say about him.

and that I think he's a good guy after getting drinks with him. And then, so then we're dancing. And you can tell, I mean, I'm hammered. And you can always tell that I'm hammered because back in the day, I never enunciated, but it got even worse, if you can believe it or not. I'm just, everything I say is like one long run-on sentence. And I tell him, let's not base our relationship off of what anyone else says. And then it cuts back to Adriena at this concert.

And it's got this sad music playing. and she looks depressed. And then they cut back to Justin and I at the club and we're flirting and, you know, having so much fun together. And then, okay, so that's when the kiss happens. So what happened was, so we're at this club and there was like this little area kind of off on your own. And that's where I think we were all kind of like hanging out there for a little while. And we stopped filming for a bit. And the producers were like, kiss him. Like we want you to kiss him. And I think every time they would ask me that. Well, I think they only asked me that. No, they asked me at, I think three times. I actually did it twice on the show.

But so this was the first time. And I think at first I was always like, no, oh my God, I'm not going to do that. And then I can easily be persuaded, especially again, because you guys, I looked at this really as like an acting job. And it made it more fun for me. I was sort of like playing up this character and having fun. And also with the adrina of it all, at this point, I'm like, the gloves are off. Like, I'm going to do whatever the hell I'm going to do to make a good show. And what's going to be fun for me? Because I'd be lying if I said that this wasn't fun. Like, my job was to go to a club and flirt with Justin Bobby. Like, yeah, okay, I'll go. I'll do that. Mm-hmm. No problem. And so, which by the way, you guys, Justin Bobby was so hot. So hot. Watching it back, I'm like,

damn, he really was hot. He really was hot. Also, I want to get Justin Bobby to come on the podcast to talk about an episode with me or just all of it as a whole. So I don't know if anyone has any way of getting a hold of him. Can you let him know that I want to have him on the podcast? I DMed him, but I haven't heard back. Whatever. He's really mad at me. So finally I'm like, fine, whatever, I'll kiss him. And by the way, I'm hammered. So really, I'm like, yeah, why not? A fun drunk makeout? Sure. So they have Justin kind of like off on his own. And then I like go up to him and kiss him. basically. And they make it seem like Stephanie is watching, which I don't know if she was. I feel like we were kind of off on our own, but who knows? I mean, honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if one of

the producers or someone was like, look, look over there. I would want to ask Justin if he knew that they had asked me to do that or not. Because I think when we kissed, I don't think he knew that was coming. Did he? Because I know it was like, it was a conference. not just with me and one producer. Like, it was a conversation. And so, no, he must have known. He must have known because also that kiss, I actually didn't really kiss him. Like, he kind of kissed me. Like, I leaned in, but he definitely kissed me. So maybe he was in on it, too, now that I really think about it. That would be my guess. Because I can't imagine. I'm like, surprise, kiss him. There's just no way. There's just no way. I definitely would have said something. I'm too much

of an open book. Like, I'm too much of a, of someone that just kind of like puts everything out there. So I, I must have been like, okay, Justin, we're doing this. Like, are you game? You know, kind of a thing. All right. So while that scandal is happening at the club, we cut back to Enzo now at Heidi and Spencer's house. Heidi is with him babysitting. And Spencer comes home. Like, what the fuck is going on? He is so pissed. Which, like, imagine, I imagine there's a six-year-old at your house and that's how your husband behaves when he comes home. He's like so mad that this little six-year-old is there. I mean, it's just it. I mean, I told you guys, my mom said it back in the day. Heidi and Spencer are the comedic relief. And if you can look at them through a comedic

lens, God, I think they are just so, they're just so funny. So the two of them are just pushing each other's buttons left and right. Spencer always has funny lines. But he says, I can barely be around adults. How am I supposed to be around kids? Okay, so we're back at the club. And so I had a couple of thoughts when I was watching this episode of, you know, me at the club and flirting and dancing and making out and all the things. And my two thoughts, polar opposite thoughts, are the first one being I forget that my mom and my dad and like cousins and aunts And everyone that I pretty much ever knew would watch this. And I sort of looked at it from this angle of like, God, I was like kind of embarrassed being like,

wow, my parents watched this. And I mean, as much as I could hide behind, you know, the idea that it was all staged and set up and everything. Like, yeah, sure. But in the same breath, I mean, I'm the one making out with someone on camera. And, I mean, they always show me in this negative light that it's like, I don't know. I could just, I don't know. I think it would be hard for me as a mom to watch like Sailor as the Kristen on a reality show.

I don't know. I don't know. That just didn't sit well with me thinking that, you know, I don't think my grandma ever watched it. I would really hope not. But like, I don't know, even family friends and stuff. That's kind of, oh, it's funny because I didn't have that feeling. from Laguna Beach. But I definitely had it watching the Hills. I think because the Hills, it was amped up. It was magnified again because I was like, cool, it's a job. What do you want me to do?

I'm game. Let's do it. Where there was more of an innocence to Laguna Beach. And now the Hills was like Kristen on Laguna Beach times a thousand. And I clearly just did not give a fuck. And the other thought that I had was I really looked at it thinking how. fun it was, which is interesting. Because at the time, while yes, I was having a lot of fun, it was kind of stressful too. And I think probably the more stressful part was living out this fake life in the tabloid world. And that was before social media. So I couldn't really get on and be like, hey, guys, let me clear this up. And so it just was like, that's just what people thought was real and what was going on. And they really thought that I was this way. I mean,

people really thought I was this girl. And yes, there was a side of my personality that was this girl. But that was not, this was not really who I was. And so that was more of the energy that I lived in during this time. But when I was watching it back, I really looked at it being like, this was so cool. This whole experience was really cool. And the fact that I did get to call this a job, I was so lucky because, I mean, really, it was fun. And, well, yes, there were annoying things about it, right? Like having to have the same conversation five times and, you know, being asked to do things that, okay, sure, maybe you wouldn't do or whatever.

But like, overall, it was really fun. And I had a lot of fun filming the hills and I don't know. It just, I think I was really lucky that that got to be the path I went down. And again, I'm not going to take away from the fact that it also brought a lot of a lot of stress and a lot of hard times. But overall, that moment and time in your life, your early 20s, like when I watch the hills, I just see so much freedom. Freedom and fun and just not really a lot of responsibility, even though at the time you think there's a ton of responsibility. And I mean, I don't want to take away from the fact that, you know, I was grinding. Like I was busting my

asked because the days we weren't filming, I was doing press for the show. I was, you know, I had a lot of photo shoots and stuff. Like, it was a machine. The Hills was sort of this machine. It was like constant. And for being, you know, 22, like, it was kind of, you know, it was a lot, but nothing compared to the responsibility that I have today. And so I think just from that point of view, it just was like, oh, it's kind of cool that I get to go back and look at this phase of my life. And I get little snapshots into it in this weird, wild way. I don't know. It's very cool. But with that, I do want to say that the hardest part about these shows, I think, is hearing what other people say about you behind your back. And again,

Audreyna had every right to say some not nice things about me. I think the part that was a little bit stickier for me was like Stephanie and Lowe because I never had issues with them. At least I thought. You know, and I think you can actually tell when Lowe comes to lunch with me. You can tell there's nothing weird between us. Obviously, I had known Lowe since I was a freshman in high school. We had history being on Laguna Beach, of course, together. And Lowe and I were never best friends, but we were definitely closer than Laguna Beach had made it seem. Lo and I used to hang out together at parties and stuff. And Lowe was actually really fun. And I know that we were hanging, even at the London in hotel. I remember talking to those girls and, you know, they just don't show it as much.

And so I think for me, it was hearing what those girls said about me that kind of stung. And again, even though I know, listen, they were team players too. I think everyone was amping it up for the show, but it still doesn't take away from the fact that that I think is definitely the hardest part. But so, Stephanie and Adriena now are catching up about the night before and, you know, Stephanie tells her that we were making out. And, you know, this just fuels everything that Audrina had already been thinking. Like, of course now she thinks that everything was real, you know, that we've been flirting and hanging out this whole time. And Adrina says, he's such a different person now, just like making out in a club

PDA. And this kind of, like, implying that he never was about PDA with her. And now all of a sudden he's making out with me to club. So this kind of goes of what we were saying earlier. This is an indicator to me that he actually wasn't as serious about her as she was kind of hoping or as she thought. Because if a guy will not show you any PDA in public, I think that's kind of weird. And listen, I think as you get older, I think people, I know some people just don't like PDA. But I think in your early 20s, when you're going out to clubs and you're drinking and you're having fun, if a guy will not show you any PDA, to me, that's a red flag.

I think it's a little different, obviously, now is like in our late 30s or whatnot. And obviously, if you've been in a relationship for a long time, this does not apply. This is like strictly for the early days, in your early 20s. I just think, I don't know. If a man won't make out with you in public, he's not your man. So the girls say that I'm just down for a good time, which is funny. because Adriena won't talk to me. So it's funny that they think they know anything about me.

And she says, if I do really like him, that Justin's just plain me, but that I can figure it out on my own. So let's cue the motorcycle ride. Of course, MTV you geniuses. So Justin and I are on his motorcycle. We're out in Malibu. It really is my first time on a motorcycle.

I had not been on a bike ever before. And so we go eat lunch. and Malaby really, it's just, it's so beautiful and it's hard to beat California. Our waitress, I say thank you or something. And she says, oh, for shizzle. Like, what? I thought that was really funny. I thought it was even funnier that MTV kept that in the episode.

This is actually when I really noticed that Justin looked good. I was like, damn. I was like, go Kristen. So I'm giving Justin shit for playing games, right? And he says, Yeah, I'm a game player and you're a liar. And I'm like, I'm not a liar. How did I lie? And he says that you said we're only going to be friends, which I say, I had to. It was the right thing to do. And I say, if Adriena and I met up that this never would have happened. And so I really stand by that, you guys. I, if Adrina and I had made peace and her and I were talking, I never would have. kept this storyline going. I never would have kissed Justin, which now has led to us going on a motorcycle. I never would have done any of that. But again, the gloves are off. Like this,

it is what it is. And so that is really genuine. But listen, there is a heavy flirt happening. I told you guys last time, the flirting is very real. It is very real. And I tell him that, you know, you love me. And so now there's this conversation of like, what happens now? Justin asks me, what happens now? And I'm like, I don't know. I kind of like it, though. And I tell him I just want to have a good time, which, why is this always coming out of my mouth and everyone else's mouth around me? I guess maybe I did just want to have a good time. But that for me, you guys, was because I liked Justin. And he's gorgeous, obviously, and we're very flirty. But I think in my head, that was kind of where it stopped. And I mean, unless something else happens that I don't remember. I am 99.9% sure. That was the only time I kissed him was on camera. Unless there was another time at the Malibu House.

But I don't think so. I think the only time I kissed him was on camera when they had asked me to at the club. And in my head, because I didn't really want to date him. Like, I liked him and I was flirting with him. Like, those were all very real things. But I didn't actually want to date him.

And no, I didn't hook up with him. I saw some people also in the comments being like, well, yeah, you didn't date him, but did you hook up with him? No, I never hooked up with him. And in fact, I think I say that. Oh, I say that in the next episode. So I think for me being like, I just want to have a good time is me trying to be like, this is kind of all it's going to be in a nice way. I'm trying to like let him down kind of easy. But I did find myself smiling again, you guys, watching this scene with Justin and I. I'm like, it's like, I'm literally rooting for him and I.

I was like, I don't know. It's really funny. It's because I really, I don't know, I guess because so much. much time has passed. I really do feel like I'm watching it as a viewer instead of like watching myself. And also, again, because I wasn't like, I wasn't like trying to date Justin. For me, there was like no emotion that I'm not like connected to the emotion that I felt back in the day. I'm really just able to watch it as a viewer. Like, okay, here's the differences. Watching scenes back with Stephen and I, it was like, ugh, like everything in me tensed up. And it would still kind of affect me in a because my emotions were so real.

Like everything I felt on Laguna Beach was so real because that was my real boyfriend. We're like with Justin, there was like, there was no real emotion there. So I can just kind of watch it as a viewer, which makes it really fun. So I hope that makes sense anyways. So I don't know. I guess here we are. I'm a viewer as well. And I'm rooting for Justin and I.

So let's see what happens, guys. I have no idea. So the next time is Brody's birthday. and some drama happens with Justin. So you guys will have to tune in for that one. So I will see you guys in two weeks for hills, but I'll see you guys next week for a regular pod. Love ya.

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