Let's Be Honest with Kristin Cavallari - The Hills: Old Habits Die Hard (Season 5, Episode 14)

Episode Date: January 6, 2026

We’re back with another Hills rewatch, and this episode hit me harder than I expected. Going home to Laguna Beach and filming with my dad and step-mom is emotional to revisit now that he’s no longer in my life. It’s wild how one scene can basically sum up our entire relationship. Watching how a narcissist can turn “on” for the cameras, the drama with my step-mom, and why I was genuinely floored she even agreed to film. And yes — her dressing up as me for Halloween comes up.We also get into one of the few real, intense storylines of the show: Holly’s drinking. The moment that made me text Heidi, and how Holly went from that season of life to being 15 years sober and now running her own recovery center for women.Plus, the scene that reminded me of doing a wedding-dress photoshoot the day after calling off my engagement… and the dramatic twist that sent the Justin Bobby–Audrina–me love triangle straight into chaos.A word from my sponsors:ARMRA - Go to armra.com/HONEST or enter HONEST to get 30% off your first subscription orderSkims - Shop my favorite bras and underwear at SKIMS.comKa'Chava - Go to https://kachava.com and use code HONEST for 15% off your next order.Hiya - Receive 50% off your first order at hiyahealth.com/HONESTTonal - Tonal is offering our listeners $200 off your Tonal purchase with promocode HONEST at Tonal.com.Taylor Farms - Grab a Taylor Farms chopped salad kit and get your salad together!For more Let's Be Honest, follow along at:@kristincavallari on Instagram@kristincavallari and @dearmedia on TikTokLet's Be Honest with Kristin Cavallari on YouTubeProduced by Dear Media.This episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct, or indirect financial interest in products, or services referred to in this episode.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The following podcast is a dear media production. This is Let's Be Honest with Kristen Cavalery, a podcast all about getting real and open on everything from sex, relationships, reality TV, wellness, family, and so much more. And just a fair warning, there will probably be some oversharing. Happy New Year. I can't believe I am saying that, but it is officially 2020. six. So yes, happy New Year. I hope everybody had a great holiday season and did something fun on New Year's Eve or just got a great night's sleep. And I hope everyone's feeling well rested and excited about the new year ahead. I also just celebrated a birthday. It is my last year in my 30s. I still feel 18 sometimes. So even though obviously a ton of life has happened, I think

I will probably always in some way feel like 18, 19 years old. I don't know. I don't know what that's about. But yeah, so I'm excited that it is a new year ahead, a fresh start. I always like to write out my goals every year and just kind of have a nice roadmap where I think the year is going to go. Of course, there's always twist and turns that are unexpected. But I'm just feeling really good about what's to come in 2006. So I hope you guys are all in the same boat. But today we're going to do another Hill's episode. And today's episode is from season five. And it's episode 14. It's titled Old Habits Die Hard. So we start the episode with Lo and I at lunch. And the very first sentence out of my mouth is I'm telling her that I'm going to go home to Laguna Beach for

the weekend and go see my dad and my stepmom. And a couple of things here. The first one being there's no real buildup or mention of my relationship with Lowe. I mean, the season started with essentially the girl is just talking a lot of shit on me. And, you know, Lowe and I have hung out a few times. But, like, Lowe was talking shit on me. And then she's just at lunch with me all the time. I think it's kind of bizarre that they didn't really, like, bridge that gap or address it at all. There's, like, zero mention of my relationship with Lowe really,

at all. And in this particular lunch scene, it actually did seem like we were the best that we had been. And again, obviously, a lot of it is editing. I don't think Lowe and I ever had ups and downs by any means. I think it was always pretty steady. And steady in that we always were friendly. We always had a good time together. Lo and I never had any issues until the Berkin incident, which is in the next season. But up until that point, there was never anything, like just easy. an easy friendship. But I just thought it was funny. There's like zero mention of it. Okay. And then, you know, okay, so I do go to Laguna in this episode and I do see my dad and my stepmom. And I had zero recollection of filming this scene, which I'm surprised about because between Laguna Beach and

the Hills, I filmed with my dad very few times. I definitely filmed with him, but it was not much. And I never really liked filming with him if I'm being completely honest. And so that That's why I thought I would maybe remember this because I have to imagine I was really nervous for this scene because they had me going to my dad's house, which by the way, it said my parents' house. Nicole, my stepmom was hardly a parent. I'm surprised they didn't just say my dad's house. But, okay, they said parents' house. And also, I never lived in this house.

So this was the house that my dad built right next to Lauren Conrad's parents' house. And so this house I never actually lived in. this is not me coming home to my my high school house or anything like that. I always had a pretty unstable relationship with my dad. A pretty weird relationship with my dad. I was always very uncomfortable around him. And I really did not like filming with my dad because my dad always sort of put on a show as a typical narcissist does. And so that's why when I watched this back, I was shocked that I didn't remember it. And right away, that scene is my dad and I in the kitchen.

And he's opening up a bottle of wine. And he's like, oh, do you want some cheese and some wine? And it's the middle of the day. I'm like, oh, he's calling me baby. He's being so sweet and caring. And I just watched it like, what? Wow. Okay, I don't know who that person is.

But okay. Also, the other thing is, and because I'm like, well, where's Nicole, my stepmom? And he's like, well, she's teaching a yoga class. She'll be home in a minute. I literally, as I'm watching this, I was like, oh, she must never come in. I, you guys, I was floored that my stepmom filmed the hills because let me explain something to you. So in high school, when MTV came, and when they first came, we filled out, we grabbed these 20-page packets, these huge packets. And, you know, I took mine away and I was really beefing mine. up. I've talked about this before. This is no new information, but I talked about my stepmom a lot

in my packet. And I talked about how I didn't like her. And she was closer to my age than she was my dad, which, okay, hi, I know I cannot judge that now. But at the time, I judged it. And I, I just really, I talked about how much I disliked her. Okay. And I remember Nicole grabbing my packet, literally grabbing it out of my hands in high school during the, you know, the whole casting of it all as I'm like in the process of filling it out, grabbed it out of my hands, you guys. Read it, obviously saw what I said about her and she was pissed. Rightfully so. I get it. But she always, because of that, had this weird, not weird. She always had this hate for MTV, this complete disdain. She actually threatened to leave when the second season of Laguna Beach was

happening. She told my dad that if I did the second season, she was going to move out. And my dad said, then get the fuck out. It was a bit more intense than that. There was some, it got physical. Let's just put it that way. It was a really nasty fight that I witnessed between them. Anyways, without getting into too much detail about that. So she always hated MTV and I think kind of hated me because of it. I maybe, I don't know if I've told you guys this. I want to say I have, but my dad and my stepmom, my senior year, so this is as the show was airing or maybe it had, no, yeah, it was airing because it was October. They had a Halloween party and I came home after being out with my friends all night. Alex Hoosier and I came to my house.

And she was me for Halloween. She had just gotten a nose job. Okay. So she's all bandaged up and her eyes are bruised and all that good stuff. But then she had on a jean skirt and ugs and, like, put in hair extensions. And I mean, she was me. She was me for Halloween. Like that just, I'm just telling you this to paint the picture for you.

So when I tell you that this scene was like, quite literally my jaw was on the floor. I mean, I was shocked that this scene actually happened. So I'm, but it did. And it was a decent scene. I mean, I think, you know, my dad on camera, I think comes across pretty well. And it's wild for me to watch it, especially now with what's happened with my relationship with my dad, how he's no longer in my life. And to see this, I was just like, I don't know. It was kind of hard for me to watch. Anyways, oh, and that's the other thing. I did not go home to Laguna very often. And when I tell you, I mean, when I, I lived in LA from age 18 until. 24. I'm not kidding. I went home probably. You could count him on two hands and some of those being holidays, like Thanksgiving and Christmas. I mean, I really, I was not going down to Laguna to go see my dad and hang out more than I really had to. So this was a shock for sure. But anyways, to go back to the scene with Lowe, Jade and Brody come up and she tells me that they break up every other day. And, you know, basically we're talking about what a tumultuous relationship they have. It's

toxic. Blah, blah, blah. And then Justin, of course, comes up. And I tell Lowe that, you know, he stood me up. And Lowe says, she warned me about Justin. He did this to Adrina for four years. Or sorry, Lowe warned me about Justin. And I say, you know, he did this to Adriana for four years. And I won't do this. You want to play this game. Let's go. And I know, I know for a fact that at this point, obviously Lowe knew that the whole Justin of it all was complete bullshit. I mean, this is us totally playing up the storyline and, you know, doing what we think we need to be doing for the show, obviously for the story that's going on on the show. But I liked watching this scene with Lowe and I. I don't know. To me, it seemed easy. It seemed like we really do

genuinely, you know, care about each other. There's, they're no longer trying to make it seem like there's this weird awkwardness between me and her that really, to me, felt so forced the last few episodes only because I knew my relationship with Lowe and Lowe and I never had a problem with each other. So then we go to Stephanie at Audrina's house and a large chunk of this scene is wild lines. But they're talking about how Audrina and Derek have been hanging out. So I think it was the last episode that we talked about. Audrina went on a date with Derek and they didn't actually show any of the date. So in my head, I was like, well, it must not have gone well because all they showed was like right when he picked her up in the car. But I guess it did go.

okay, because they've been hanging out again. And Adrina is just kind of comparing her, quote-unquote, relationship with Derek to her relationship with Justin. And she's saying that with Justin, she was very insecure and just that there's a huge difference there. She also says that Justin Bobby has been texting her and saying, is it really over? And she's saying, you're dating Kristen now. And I don't know.

I feel like MTV has from Laguna Beach, right? And obviously the first few seasons of the hills. They had this formula that they, well, that worked. Obviously, one of them being the love triangle with Stephen Lauren and I, I mean, that was, you know, they struck bold with that. And then I think with friend groups, friend drama, and I think having your main character be the victim in a lot of ways. And I've seen in this episode, it was really, starting to be obvious to me what they were doing is how, because this whole Justin Bobby's storyline with me, him and Audrina, has a hint of a love triangle to it, but also they are sort of making it seem like Justin Bobby is breaking my heart. And I'm upset about it, right? And

how I can't believe this is happening to me. And me watching it back, I really don't like that at all because it is so not who I am that, because to me, I'm like, I would never, I would never do this or I've never, what's there I would say? Because I think for the situation that they've handed me on this show, I think with who I am, I'm handling it in the way that I would if it were happening to me. And that's what's so interesting about these shows where I do, I do think it's a lot of improv in a lot of ways of like, you're improving yourself almost. It's a really weird dynamic. But I would never, back in the day, I never would have admitted that a boy was hurting my feelings. I think that's the difference is I know my mental state at that point

and time in my life. And I had a major fear of being vulnerable. I never would have admitted that someone was hurting my feelings. But also, if someone hurt my feelings and really did stand me up, I never, ever, ever would have kept it going. I was very good, and I still am very good at if someone is messing with me or not treating me the way that I needed to be treated, I have never had an issue with closing the door, walking away, telling someone to kick rocks. So I think I don't like that, but they have made me this kind of sad girl and like allowing him back into my life. I just, that's not me. It's not authentic. I get really uncomfortable. when something isn't authentic. But again, for the show, for entertainment purposes, sure,

it's great, you know. But my point is, they have this sort of formula that they think is going to work and they really, really run with it. The other thing I thought was really funny was at my dad's house when it's just my dad and I and we're in the kitchen. They, my dad asks me if I've seen Stephen or Lauren. Guys, if that's not an MTV line, I don't know what is. The fact that, that they told my dad to ask me that is so out of left field and ridiculous. I think it's so obvious now, but obviously at the time, I don't think people realize. But like, what? It's, you guys, I'm 22 years old. It's been four years since I graduated high school. No, I don't talk to Stephen or Lauren or I don't see them. Like, they weren't even a part of my, my world at that point.

It's so funny to me. Actually, I shouldn't say that. Stephen and I kept up. a friendship. But it's not like we talked all the time. I think I maybe saw him twice after I graduated high school. I mean, it wasn't, it wasn't often. Like, my point is, we didn't run in the same circles. My dad obviously knew that. And I don't know. I just thought that was like such an MTV line. My dad also, God, he says, is Brody still kind of in love with himself? And I sort of, I felt like I was really awkward because I went like, aha, like, because I think I was shocked that that came out of his mouth. I just thought it was kind of mean.

And also, Brody is not that. You can say that about a lot of people, but Brody was never full of himself or like I actually think Brody had always had a big heart and was pretty humble. I mean, especially with where he came from. And to me, what my dad was saying about Brody was such a projection. It's not even funny. Like, not even funny. And, you know, that's the thing. That's a lot of times people's criticism about other people. That's really about them. And it was very apparent to me in that scene.

I was like, whoa, I just thought I was, I didn't like that. I wish, you know, it's funny, too, because at that age, I didn't know how to stand up to my dad. Not that I had to stand up to my dad, but I didn't know how to be like, hey, dad, that was pretty harsh. I think because you know what? I'm a big old fucking empath, and I didn't want to admit that until recently. But in that moment, I think part of the reason I didn't say anything was because I didn't want to call him out on camera and make him feel embarrassed about it on camera.

But also, there was that, another piece of it where I didn't learn until my late 20s, how to stand up to my dad and how to be myself and speak my mind and disagree with him, I never felt like I could ever, ever, ever. So in that situation, it was like, well, I just, I didn't really know what to say. And by the way, I did not have the kind of relationship with my dad where I would tell him about Justin Bobby. And I obviously, Justin Bobby, because it's a show thing. But like, let's say I was, I was dating someone sort of like I was Justin Bobby in real life.

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you know, very concerned. And I'll be honest with you, I didn't think she was that bad. I thought she was just having a good time and having fun. But then the next day, they have Stephanie and Heidi at lunch. And Stephanie is telling Heidi that she really thinks that Holly is completely out of control. And she was saying every time that they go out, she's basically that same way. She's getting after it. And she wants Heidi to talk to her. Which, by the way, with this storyline, So I was watching it. And I'm always very skeptical, of course, when I watch this show because I don't, you know, if I wasn't involved in the scene, I don't know for sure if something was real or not or if there

was a seed of truth to it. And then they just ran with it. So anyways, I'm always like, oh, I should text a friend. I did. I texted Heidi because I wanted to know if the Holly drinking storyline was real. And she told me, yes, it actually was very real. And that Holly now is sober, guys. So here, let me find my notes on this.

Holly is sober. I'm kind of jumping around. We're going to come back to some of this because I do want to talk about their sort of intervention that they had. But okay, so Holly has been sober since 2011. That's incredible. And not only that, you guys, she has a recovery center. So it's called Women's Recovery.

It's an outpatient treatment center for trauma, mental health, and substance abuse, or misuse with optional sober living. So I just want to give a shout out. to Holly, who is doing amazing things out there and helping people. And not only did she help herself by getting sober, but she's out there helping a ton of other people. And I just think it's really incredible. So shout out to her. And well, here, we'll just talk about her intervention that she had. So Heidi and Spencer, they do. They meet her at Spanish Kitchen, which used to be such a good restaurant in L.A. It's no longer there, but they used to have the best nachos.

Okay, side note. Well, actually, this is a crazy story. So I called off my engagement in 2000. Let me think about this for a second. When did I call off the engagement? We got engaged in 2011. Okay, so I met my ex-husband in 2010. We got engaged 2011. So I must have called it off the fall of 2011.

Okay, so called it off. Well, okay, this is crazy, guys. So I called off my engagement. This is really fucked up. And the next day, I was doing a photo shoot in wedding dresses. The next day. So what does my dumb ass do? Because I don't know. I go to the photo shoot. I went to the photo shoot and I shot, I don't know how many different wedding dresses. Let's call it five or six. God, I want to say it was for Life and Style magazine, one of those tabloids. I don't even, I don't think that's around anymore.

But I, and I didn't, I don't think I had my ring. you guys. Oh, I'd have to fact check that. I want to say, though, I gave my ex-husband the ring and and he left. He was out in L.A. with me and then he left. But I went through with this photo shoot, like a real dumbass. And then afterwards, I met up with one of my really good friends, Pip, who if you've watched Barry Cavalry, you definitely know who Pip is. She's my, I call her my big sister. She was living in Australia now, but I've known her since I was 18. And she met me at the Spanish kitchen and we took so many shots of tequila. And what I loved about the Spanish kitchen was it was always empty. It was kind of dark. So you could just like get in a booth and you could haul up and

just slamming shots talking about how I called off my engagement and holy shit and eating these incredible nachos. And so that is my best memory of the Spanish kitchen. But like why would I do that? Why couldn't I just cancel the photo? Oh, well, I'll tell you why actually. I think I couldn't cancel the photo shoot because I didn't want it getting out that I had called off my engagement yet. So in my head, I'm like, I'll just go through the, I'll go through with the photo shoot and that, like, I don't know. I never thought five steps ahead. It was always very in the moment right the second. I didn't think about anything, not even long term, short term. It was just always in the moment. And it was, I think I was trying to prolong the information, the news coming out that I called

off my engagement. And obviously that ended up being, what? I mean, that must have come out. And I don't remember the timeline of events. If it came out that I had called off my engagement and then the wedding dress photo shoot came out or if the wedding dress photo shoot came out and then it got released that, I don't know. I don't know, but not one of my better decisions in life. Anyways, okay, so Heidi and Spencer have Holly come to the Spanish kitchen. And Holly orders a margarita. So it was during this scene that I texted Heidi, because in my head, I was like, there's no way. There's no way they're having an intervention and she orders a margarita in the middle of the day at lunch. I just thought it was like too perfect, but no, this was real.

So Holly is saying that her drinking is standard and that, and Heidi is saying, well, that's the issue is that you think this is normal. So Holly does come around to it. And she says it's time for her to break up with alcohol for good. And guys, I mean, this must have been, no, this was 2010. Is that right? No, this may have been 2009. So this was either 2009 or 2010. It must have been 2009.

So she obviously didn't give it up right then and there. But this was definitely the start of her becoming sober. And hey, I mean, hats off to Heidi and Spencer and Anne Stephanie because they obviously were concerned about her and for a good reason. And so she did get sober. So I love, I love knowing what happened and going back and seeing this and seeing how it all began. So anyways, okay, so let's jump back now. So then they have Justin and I at my Malibu house and he's making me dinner.

And watching it, he's in the kitchen making dinner. And then I come in and I seem kind of surprised that he's there. And then later in the episode, I do say that he stalked me down and found me. and like basically implying that he just showed up at my Malibu house and was making me dinner. Obviously, we all know by now, right, this is complete bullshit. This was production led. We knew when to be there. We had call times.

Again, I never stayed at this house unless we were filming. So that's just funny. So he says he's been out of town for a little bit. And that's why, you know, he's been MIA. And he's basically saying that, you know, he's making me. dinner. This is his way of saying sorry. I tell him that, you know, he gets one meal to say sorry. And he asks me at one point, you having fun. And I say, I'm having the time of my life. Knowing myself, knowing the scene, knowing the situation, I know that I said that extremely

sarcastically. I think, to me, with the two of us, there is this underlying sarcastic tone to sort of everything. I pick up on that. Obviously, I know too much. I know. I, I know everything, but I don't know. I just, I wasn't buying it. And then later, so they have, so he makes me dinner and he says, he's never made a girl dinner before I say, no guy's ever made me dinner. And I tell him that I told my dad about him and I'm like, you're going to tell your mom about me. Because he's like, if I told my mom, I made a girl dinner, like, oh my gosh, she wouldn't believe it. And I don't know. It's all just a little like, such bullshit to me. And then when dinner is, over, well, okay, actually. So at one point, we're saying how tired we are. And I think I look

drunk, by the way, because I'm like melting into my chair. I remember this being a very long night. And again, I mean, filming was, it's a process. It was a very, it was a process. It wasn't like you just eat your meal and you get up and leave. Like, they're going to keep you there until they get everything that they need for this scene. And we were obviously drinking wine. So I think I was, I probably really was tired. And when we get up, I'm like, you know, he's like, going to clear the plates. I'm like, I'll do it later. Like, knowing damn well that like the whole crew is probably going to do it. Like, as soon as we get up from this table, we are wrapped. So I'm like, let's just fucking go. Like, let's go. Let's go. And they make it seem like he is spending the

night and we're probably going to go do the damn thing, which guys, never, again, never happened, never spent the night with Justin Bobby. And there was a part of me that was like, are we about to kiss? Are we about to kiss? Like walking up from eating. But we never did because again, I think, I think the only time we actually kissed was at the club when they had asked me to kiss him. When I say I told my dad about you, I think that was actually a wild line. But yeah, they have it seen like, like we've got like sexy eyes towards each other. He calls me a wild card. And I want to talk to you guys about Chava.

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is just mix it up and a delicious salad is served. If I can do it, you can too. Grab a Taylor Farms chopped salad kit and get your salad together. Okay, so then they cut to Audreyna's date with Derek. what really made these shows was the music. I mean, the music really was spot on. Because if you didn't know how to feel about a scene or a situation, the music was going to tell you. I mean, and that's true with movies, great movies and all great TV shows, the music really does help. To me, really good music in production is almost like a subliminal message where it's like, it's telling you how to feel. And these shows really, really nailed it with the music. So Adrina's on her date and she asks Derek if Justin Bobby knows that they've been hanging out.

And Derek says he called him, but he didn't pick up. And, you know, there's this whole back and forth about Justin Bobby. I even come up and Adrina is saying that I'm in for a real surprise with him, which then prompts Derek to be like, are you over him? And Adrina's like, yeah, but there's like when that infliction goes up, yeah, like a question work at the end. I don't think that was probably in response to Derek asking her that. I definitely think this scene is very heavily edited, but it plays perfectly. And it's really setting the stage for the last scene of the episode, which was shocking to me. But okay, we're saving it. So,

okay, then randomly they had me going to Brody's condo. Like, what the fuck? This is so random. But okay, here we are. So Brody answers the door. He calls me Mrs. Bobby. Okay, cute. By the way, loved filming with Brody. Brody got it. Brody was always a team player. Brody brought his A game. Like, there were certain people that I really enjoyed filming with because it was almost like some people battled with it still, which by the way, I fully understand because I felt like that more on Laguna Beach. But, you know, again, with the hills, it was like some of us were all in, like, 100% all in. Tell me what to do. Tell me what to say. And again, it just made it more fun for all of us. And Brody was one of those. And so, you know, like Brody understood the assignment. Let's put

it that way. Bentley is there. His dog. So a little backstory on Bentley. Brody bought me Bentley when we were dating. So again, Brody was my first boyfriend in L.A. when I was 18. I met him immediately out one night at a, was it a Maxim party? It was something like that. I think it was a Maxim party. at the Roosevelt Hotel. And he was there and he came up to me. And that's how we met. And then honestly, we met that night and we were inseparable ever since. I think we dated for about a year. I was 18. He was 22. So he bought me Bentley. And I just had no business having a dog at the tender age of 18. I don't think I realized how much responsibility dogs are. And that was in my party girl era. And it just did not work with my schedule. So anyways, he kept Bentley. Well,

his mom really kept Bentley, okay? As much as Brody wants to take credit for that, his mom, his mom kept Bentley. But Bentley, little Frenchy, little French bulldog, he was so cute. So anyways, he's there and it's cute to see him, of course. But I immediately launch into Jade, as one does. And he says that, well, I tell him,

I'm like, someone told me that you guys break up all the time. And by the way, I was proud of myself for saying someone instead of being, like, Lowe told me. Could have easily done that, you know? Just want to mention that. So he says that they never actually break up, but they essentially threaten each other with it. I ask him if Jay knows I'm there. And he says that he told her when I started coming, by the way, I love that he says, when you started coming around again, it's like everyone makes

it seem like I didn't hang out for years now of a sudden I'm coming around again. Like, I never was part of this friend group. I had always been around in L.A., but I love that like that's the storyline on the show. But he says that he told her when I started coming around again that he and I are really good friends, and that was it. I tell him how Justin just showed up at my house in Malibu and what's going on. I'm catching him up to speed. And he says, Adrina's going to be coming after me. And Brody's sort of like, you know, wondering if I have something at my sleeve with this

whole Justin Bobby of it all. Like, am I doing it to spite Adrina? Like, what's actually happening here? And I'm like, no, no, I really do like him. Like, yeah, okay. So then the last scene of the show, of the episode is the Thompson Hotel. and Justin and Audrina meet up. And they're playing it as though

Adrina texted Justin to chat. And in, you know, perfect MTV fashion. You know, if this was real life, well, I don't know, maybe you would meet up. But I would imagine this would actually be a phone call instead of like a, hey, let's go meet up and talk about this. But by the way, when I saw that they were meeting together, I was like, oh my God, what the fuck?

as a viewer and obviously as me being the other woman in this. I was like, the fuck. But I wish I could get Justin on to talk about all this. But here's what I'll tell you about this scene, you guys. Okay. So to me, it really did feel like there was a lot of real emotion here. And I think I think that because having filmed with Justin and And getting to know him to an extent, I, like, he and I were always kind of flirty and fun and playful. And to me, this scene felt very heavy in a lot of ways. And, like, there was still some wounds. And I also thought it was interesting because this whole time on camera, Justin has been saying to me that he and Audrina were basically nothing, right?

And then in this scene, he's telling her that he felt weird about putting someone else on the back of his motorcycle, kind of implying that Adriena was the only girl who's ever been on the back of his motorcycle. And I would call major bullshit on that. I would think there had been a ton of girls on the back of his motorcycle. So maybe that's him sort of playing it up for the show. I don't know. But then they get into Justin talking about how he would never date one of her really good friends, the way that she's dating Derek, who is, of course, one of Justin's really good friends. And you can tell Justin Bobby is pretty pissed about this. To me, that seemed like genuine, like he was genuinely mad about that. And by the way, though, because here's the thing, as much as Justin obviously did play it down with me about what they had, clearly they had something, right? Like, we all know that. And Derek was his real friend. And I think, because Adriena thought Justin and I were a real storyline, we were really dating that was really happening. She did go out with Derek, I think, to sort of spite Justin. I, that's my opinion. And so, like, those dynamics and those emotions and feelings are very real,

where for me, stepping in as the newcomer, me being like, cool, I'm going to play this up and do whatever the hell MTV wants me to do and have fun with this. I've got no skin in the game. Like, I'm not affected by any of this. And I didn't really put that in perspective back in the day. You know, I was just out for myself. But I also sort of thought everyone was kind of aligned with me and kind of game for everything, which, you know, again, I think that was, I think Adriena, it was probably harder for her because she really did like Justin. You know, she really is going on dates with Derek. I think trying to move on from Justin because she's upset that I'm, you know, in her mind dating him. Like, I think all of that was very real. Again, I know that because when I, and I've said it a thousand

times, but when I told her Justin I didn't actually date, she was shocked. Shocked. So I think this is very real. And obviously, Justin to have, you know, dated Audrina for four years, whether in his head they were boyfriend and girlfriend or not, but the fact that she was in his life for four years, there's obviously real emotion there. And he does tell her that, you know, he and I are not together, which is true. And he says a big part of him will always have feelings for her and that he would never be able to say anything was better than Audrina Patridge ever in my life. I mean, it's kind of fucking sweet, right? It's kind of sweet. And also, I'm watching it like you're a scumbag because you just told me that nothing ever really happened with you guys. But now you're

telling Adriena that no one better will ever come along. So yeah, you're kind of a piece of shit if that's how you're playing both girls. And then Adriena says that she won't talk to Derek anymore. And Justin says, well, don't let me stop you. And I mean, you can tell. They've got feelings for each other. Again, I say this every week, but I'm like, what is going to happen? Like, I'm really on the edge of my seat. You guys, I've got no recollection of this storyline and where this goes and what, I just, I don't remember any of it. I don't remember any of it.

So I don't know. But fuck, man, it is, it's a good show. It's a good show. It's a good show. I'm sucked in. I'm knee deep in the drama and I'm dying to see what happens. I can't wait to see how he breaks my heart. You know what?

The other thing I will say is. to me, what would have made the most sense was to have me filming with Heidi, to have Heidi be my, my girl, you know, my sounding board. But instead, it's Stacy the bartender and it's low, which is fine, you know, again, genuinely like both of them. But I didn't really know Stacy. I met Stacy at Heidi's wedding. I met her through the show. And well, yes, we of course developed a friendship. Heidi and I had real history together. I mean, Heidi was my girl. Like, Heidi and I were always really close and really good friends. But they couldn't do that because Heidi and Spencer were what they cut to when it wasn't our bullshit drama with boys or girls. Like, Heidi and Spencer

were always, you know, the, the B story or the comedic relief or, you know, whatever you want to call it. And so they couldn't overlap those, which I just thought was kind of a missed opportunity and kind of, I don't know, I think there would have been, I think Heidi and I would have had great scenes together, just out of my own personal wants and needs. I think it would have been really fun to film with Heidi. Anyways, that was my takeaway. So, as always, I have no idea what is to come. Like, zero, zero, zero, no clue. So we're going to figure it out together, guys. Anyways, all right, happy New Year. And I hope you guys are off to a great start. And I will see you next week. Please note that this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services.

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