Let's Be Honest with Kristin Cavallari - Trapped Inside The Playboy Mansion with Holly Madison

Episode Date: May 5, 2026

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The following podcast is a dear media production. This is Let's Be Honest with Kristen Cavalery, a podcast all about getting real and open on everything from sex, relationships, reality TV, wellness, family, and so much more. And just a fair warning, there will probably be some oversharing. Welcome into Let's Be Honest. I love today's episode with Holly Madison. She is someone I have been dying to get on the pod. so she's finally here. And what I love about her is how unfiltered, raw, and real she is. I love

this woman. I love Vegas. I love a good Vegas trip. Do you go on the strip or? Because I know the time. I'm not one of those locals that say I never go to the strip. Like I am squatting on the strip. I love to hear that. I know most people are like, nah, when you live in Vegas, you never go to the strip. But so, okay, where are your places? Where are you going? Are you going out or are you just going to dinners. Mostly just dinners. Like I did go out recently because Tiana Mojo was in town and she was like back at the wind for a first time in a while. So we had to do like a sober excess night, which is not quite the same being sober. Yeah. But you know, the thing about being sober, though, is like watching, just the people watching. It's like elevated to the next level. So that's kind of fun.

Yeah, that is fun. So you just said you've been in Vegas for 18 years. I cannot believe that. What do you love so much about Vegas that you don't get in L.A. Well, I think everything's easier out there just because you don't have to drive like 30 miles to get from one thing to the next with all the traffic. Everything's a little bit easier. And I just really resonated with the community there when I moved there. Everybody was just so supportive and accepting when I came to do my show there. And I just like clicked with it.

It's like corny though because I feel even like more connected than just that. Like I always say I'm like connected with the land. I know. I believe that. Yeah. So almost like a past life thing. like maybe you live there before and so you do have this connection to Vegas. Yeah. Would you ever miss anything? I know you're in L.A. a lot. But do you miss anything about L.A.? I mean, there's like spots I love,

like a little polo lounge moment or a Disney moment or just like a Malibu moment. So there's so much to love about L.A. But I do get to come here so much, you know, when the kids are out here and things like that. So no. No, I know. It's probably good for my skin to be out here and not in the desert all the time. Dry skin. Yeah. I feel like I. I get the best of both worlds. When you're out here, so you get your little L.A. fix. That's how I feel, too. Have you taken your kids to Disney?

All the time. They're actually at a point. My daughter's 13 and my son is 9. So they're kind of at the point where they're like not as into it now because they're a little bit older. So I'm not going as much. But yeah. I'm actually about to do. I took my kids to Disney for spring break.

I guess it was two years ago. And my kids just said they want to come back out to L.A. And we're going to do Disney again this summer. I know. And my kids are actually 13, almost 12 and 10. but they're still into it, which makes me so happy. I love that. I know the Star Wars thing we all were like freaking out about. Have you seen that one yet? Yes. Yeah. It's the best. Well, okay, I'm sure in every interview you do, you're still asked about the girls next door, Hugh Hefner, you know,

all the things, that whole era in your life. Do you ever get annoyed in interviews when people ask you about it? Or do you feel like, you know what, that was such an interesting time in my life? I'm happy to talk about it. Share that with everybody. And I know obviously you've leaned into it with, you know, your podcast and your book and everything else that you've done with it. But are you ever kind of like, oh, I'm sick of talking about it? I've gone through all the phases. I went through a couple phases, one right after I left and then another right after I wrote my books where I was like, I'm completely done with it, never talking about it again,

never answering another question about it. But it's so hard to do. Like, I know that's the phase Kendra's in now where she wants nothing to do with it. And I have to hand it to her, like she's doing a great job, like being consistent with that because it's hard. Like, people don't want to let you forget about it anytime you're promoting anything else they want to ask about it. Yeah. So now I've just kind of leaned into it and learn to like it. And obviously I'm doing like the rewatch podcast now. So, you know, I mean, there's certain outlets. Like if I'm out doing a random press day with like people I don't know,

I'll flag certain topics off limits because I don't want them clipped in a certain way. But like, you know, sitting here like on a long form podcast, I'm like down to talk about anything. I know. I think that's the tricky part is like, you can be talking about a million other things. And they take that one little snippet that you said about Hugh Hefner, let's say. And then it seems like that's all you're ever talking about. Yeah. No.

There was so much more to that interview. Totally. But of course I do want to ask you about it. And I just said to you, I can't believe that we've never met our paths of never crossed, which is so wild to me. But I am fascinated, obviously, by that world. I think the same way that everybody else is and was. But you were so young.

When you moved into the mansion, you were 21, right? That was 22. Yeah. do what do you wish you knew back then that you know now? Oh my God. I don't know. I mean, I don't know if I would have gone there. If I would have known any different. But if I was going to put myself on the same path and be like, okay, you're going to be there. You're going to be on the show and you're going to be here now. If I could have changed my attitude a bit, I just would have been like, don't believe boys and just look at this as transactional as it's supposed to be, you know?

Because he was very like, you know, he always described himself as a romantic and whoever like his main girlfriend was, he would do this kind of like playing house thing that felt very real to me. So I ended up getting really attached. And, you know, it would have been nice to skip that. But, you know, it was also like my journey. And it's like what I learned from it. And I think that's helpful, hopefully to other people. No, yeah, definitely. I mean, absolutely. It's how you learn and how you grow from everything. Well, you've definitely been really vocal about the not so glamorous side of the mansion. You've said it was cult like. There was emotional abuse and that you actually had depression and you felt trapped. Was all of that coming from

half himself? Or was that the girls? Was that the staff? Was it everything collectively? Or where did you feel all of that from? Definitely not the staff. It was definitely coming mostly from half, also from the other girls. Because before it was just me, Bridget and Kendra, there were like a rotating cast of like six other slots and nobody got along. It was super competitive. He liked to kind of play two different teams against each other. So he always felt fond. over and he could always get his way and we couldn't like, you know, quote unquote unionize against him, you know? And I didn't realize that was going on. You know, I thought he was so great and I thought it was just the girls being awful. So that was kind of like my perspective at the time. So it was

coming from him, coming from the other girls, but also coming from myself and just like the fear and pressures I had and just the feeling of, you know, because I was just like this random girl from Oregon who felt like, okay, I made this decision. I thought it was going to be this crazy thing I did for a couple of years while I was in college and then I'd move on and everybody forget about it. But it became such a defining moment for me that it got to the point where like I was afraid to leave because I just felt like I was going to be judged so heavily for my choices that... Outside of the mansion. Exactly. So that created a huge cloud of fear for sure. Wow. And did you girls ever talk like, this is what's going on? Like so and so said this.

Like did you, you obviously knew there was like two different groups of women. And so were you guys all kind of like buddy-budied against the other group? Yeah. You kind of kind of. felt like you had to be because you couldn't trust anybody else. And there was a lot of like listening outside of doors too. Oh, wow. Yeah, like one time I was in Bridget's room and this other girl that we didn't get along with just came busting into a room screaming at us because she was sitting outside like listening. Oh my gosh. It was so immature. Would you ever go to Huff and be like, hey, here's what, you know, so-and-so was saying? I don't feel comfortable. Like, what would he do in those situations? I definitely went back to him because I felt so bonded with him from almost like the first

few months we were together. And I definitely felt like I could confide in him, but learned not really because he, A, didn't want to be bothered with that kind of stuff, but B, also like the drama at the same time. So he would, you know, shoot the messenger if you had something bad to tell him and he wasn't in the mood to hear it. Or, you know, he would come to me and say other girls were saying things about me to try and get me to fall in line. And it was just a lot. And I really didn't realize what a big part he played in that until I was ready to leave. And it was kind of like the final straw that broke the camel's back when I was like, oh shit, he's been like engineering this the whole time. Fuck that. Right. Like you finally start to see everything so clearly. Did you find that you were mad at yourself for believing all of it? I think I was too much in like survival mode to be mad at myself. But also even looking back on it, I'm like, how could I have known? Like I went into it. I mean, obviously it's a very transactional relationship. But I feel like in that setting, I went into it with the best intentions I could have. And I really liked him and wanted to be there for him and the best way I felt I could be. So I don't know. No, I'm not mad at

myself. No. And you shouldn't be. Yeah. What did you like so much about Huff in the beginning? Well, I love that he had this kind of dreamy lifestyle that he'd created. And he would have like these classic movie nights on the weekends. And I just loved old Hollywood and old movies. And I just felt like it was so fun to just live in his world. And, you know, I thought he seemed so smart and accomplished. And I really looked up to that. So I was very fascinated by him. And in the beginning, you know, he always would treat like the newest girl in the group really well because that's kind of like your indoctrination period. So if there ever was any conflict, he'd always take my side. And I thought, oh my God, he sees me. Like, we really click and we really get each other. And then like after

things became more enmeshed, then, you know, I wasn't. always in the right. And I was always the one who was causing a problem. And oh, my God, he might have a stroke if I bring this petty concern up again. And it was just like, wow. I mean, that's like, you know, playbook 101 with these guys. As you like, build them up just to then tear them down. It's so classic. It really is. There were a lot of rules, right, for you women. What were some of the rules that you thought were just so harsh? Well, the most famous one was the nine o'clock curfew. And I knew that existed before I moved in. But at the time, it didn't really bother me because I thought, well, I'm just going to live here for like a year max. And I was really interested in like just having the whole experience, enjoying being at the mansion, launching my career, doing things like that. I wasn't concerned about like going out late at night on my own or like dating other guys. So I didn't really care. But obviously, as I'm there for like seven years and haven't been allowed to earn any trust in the relationship, I'm still not allowed to like go. visit my family for a week or anything like that, then it started to get really ridiculous for me. I cannot

believe that. Yeah. You literally couldn't go and visit your family for two days. No. I mean, I could have like insisted on it, but I would have felt really scared that like he was going to move another girl into my spot or I was going to come back and see like my stuff in boxes at the back gate. Because I saw that happen to people when they would leave. Really? Yeah. In my very early days there, within the first couple months of me living there, there was a girl who like went home to visit her family. but he got word that she was like seeing another guy. I don't know what the true story was. But he had all her stuff packed in boxes and like put out the back gate. And that's scary when you're like young and you don't really have anything to fall back on. And this is, you feel like, you know, I moved in there because I thought that was going to be my safe harbor for a minute. But it was kind of anything but. Wow. And so when you first moved in, were you the number one girlfriend right away? No. It happened like maybe five or six months after. But it wasn't very long after I moved in, maybe like two or three months that the other girls kind of start. And started talking, like, because it was really obvious that, like, I enjoyed kind of being there more. Like, I like to sit at the dinners with him. I like to watch the movies with him, you know,

and we were really bonding. And the other girls didn't want that spot anyway. So they're like, oh, my God, everybody's been talking. I think when Tina moves out. You're going to be the next main girlfriend. And that was never like something I was after when I moved in. But at the time, when you're in something, you're like, whoa, I might as well have like the best spot. It wasn't the best spot. But it's kind of like that way. Right. Right. Little did you know. Yeah. So fascinating to me. And so when you first came in the mansion, how were the girls with you?

Were they warm and welcoming or were they kind of bratty? At first it felt like some of them were, but that only went so far. Like when they started to see that Heff would like play us against each other in certain ways, I always, you know, enjoyed being there and, you know, watching the movies and showing up for all the things they didn't want to show up for. So then if he wanted to like get them to do something, you be like, well, why can't you just do this like Holly does? And then that was the end of anybody liking me.

Like, forget. They were like, fuck this girl. Yeah, literally. And were Bridget and Kendra there when you got there or they came in later? No, they came after. How long after you got there did they come in? I think Bridget came in like a year after me and then Kendra came in like four years after I moved in.

And how was Heff finding all of these girls at the time? Like, how did he find you? I was invited to a mansion party. I had been in a Hawaiian Tropic contest and Hemp's doctor gone and said, I want to invite all these girls to a party. I was so excited to go. And then I started getting invited to like the Sunday pool parties, which were like smaller and more intimate. That's how we met.

And a lot of the other girls, he would either meet out at nightclubs or testing for playmate or other girls who would come to like the parties. And it was like the kind of thing where he didn't really have to do much because women, you know, wanted to come, be involved in that world in some way and wanted to meet him because he was this big celebrity. Or he would always have a girl in the group who was like a recruiter. Oh, gosh. Which is like so like Galane Maxwell-esque. Literally though. Yeah. Wow. So he didn't have to do the work because there would always be somebody who would be like, oh, here, have another drink, have this, have that. Oh, want to come hang out upstairs, you know. Was there ever a drink limit? No. No. So you guys could just do, yeah. Wasted. Wasted. He didn't care. No. He would hand out quailudes to people. Oh, that's right. I knew that. And at one point I said to him, I'm like, aren't you worried that you're going to meet some girl at a club and she's going to be, you don't know what. You don't know. what she's had all night and you give her this quailout. Because, like, have you ever seen Boogie Nights? Yes. You know that scene where the girl does too much coke?

Yes. And she starts convulsing and they like leave her outside the hotel. Yes. Not hotel. Outside the hospital. Like, that's what I pictured happening. I'm like, aren't you afraid that's going to happen? He goes, well, you know, that is a concern.

But he didn't stop passing out the quail list. Yeah, he's like, I've got a whole team of people to deal with it. Right. I don't have to deal with it. Were all of the girls in the house girlfriends or were some of them just, I guess, playmates or were. All the girls who lived in the house were girlfriends. Girls would stay in the guest house if they were, like, out testing for Playmate or shooting their pictorials or working for Playboy.

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of like porn going. And it would be just girls like talking shit with each other. And it was a really weird scene. And nobody liked it. And everybody tried to just get it done as fast as possible. So it's like literally like, okay, your turn. Yeah. For like two minutes with him. And then next girl. That is so wild to me. Yeah. And so as the main girlfriend, are you first or are you last? Like, what does that look like? There wasn't really a order necessarily. Like it was kind of of the same every night, but kind of not. Yeah. So it was just like, oh.

Just like, here we go. Yeah. Part of the job. How often were you guys required to have sex with him? Well, in the beginning, we would go out twice a week. And it would always be like after we would go out. But after we started filming the show, that just stopped, which was amazing. Because we stopped, not that we wouldn't ever go out if it was like a special occasion,

but we stopped those regular club nights where we're going out every Wednesday and Friday because we were so busy with the show. And he loved the show. He was like high off the show. It gave him like new relevance, like the ego boost. So he didn't really feel the need to like, oh, I have to do these compulsive sex nights to make myself feel wanted and relevant, I think. Oh, that makes sense. Yeah. So it just kind of. And we've talked about this on the podcast and then we'll have, you know, people like chime in and be like, so how did that happen? Was there like a discussion to stop having the sex? There was no discussion. It just kind of like, that's how it evolved. I think like me, Bridgett and Kevin. were so on the same page that we just didn't want to do that anymore. Nobody had to say anything. We were just like, okay, we're not going out anymore. So nobody's going to initiate. I thought they had you guys going out on the show.

I guess not really. No, we did every once in a while. But it was no longer that regular like, okay, every Wednesday and Friday, we're going out. And so normal nights just home at the mansion, he was just going to bed early. And it was just like. Yeah, more or less. Yeah. And so even as the main girlfriend, you didn't have to have sex with them on your own.

Very rarely. Yeah. It would just be like us watching a movie or he's doing a crossword puzzle and I'm reading. It was very suburban. I love it. Yeah. So when the show came, what did you initially think when E approached you guys to do this show? Terrified. Why? Well, I'd always wanted to be like in front of the camera in some way. Like I always wanted to like host a show or something. But I didn't want to be like on blast for my personal life. And I'd been at the mansion for almost four years by the time they started talking about this. And in some ways I was presenting as like very all in, but in so many ways I was like, I don't like this. I'm ashamed of this. This was in over my head. I didn't want to do like a detailed show about it. Like that was terrifying. But I also kind of felt like I had no choice, like, unless I want to move out and just be on the streets and not prepared. And I wasn't prepared. So, you know, the show came along and I'm like, okay, I'm going to like hope for the best. And it obviously turned out to be a positive in the grand scheme of things. But I didn't know because this is the era of like, remember the surreal life where it was like,

oh yeah. Oh yeah. Vern Troier was like drunk, naked, peeing in a corner, riding around on a scooter. They catch him in a bed masturbating. Like it was like humiliation ritual television. Yeah. So I was terrified. I was like, what are they going to try to catch us doing?

Yeah. But luckily it wasn't that. Like obviously the first couple of seasons of the show, I don't super love, you know, for different reasons. But it wasn't that. So that was a really thing. What don't you love about it? I felt like.

pigeonholes. And, you know, for me, I mean, a lot of it was my own fault, too, because in the very beginning, I didn't want to participate that much. And because I shared a room with Huff, I was kind of safe in that room because they're not going to, like, bust into Hiff's room because he doesn't have to be on camera all the time. Yeah. So I was very shy about it. And I just felt like they were always, like, cutting to me, like rolling my eyes when I wasn't and making it look like I was super jealous of all these people I wasn't. So it's not like really big deal stuff, but it felt like a big deal at the time. And, you know, also when you're seeing like all the negative shit people write about you online. And this was back before anybody really talked about

all the shit talking online. So I thought it was just me, Bridgett, and Kendra that everybody hated. I didn't know what happened to everybody. So I was like, oh my God, this is the worst thing ever. I know. Well, no. I mean, I relate to that too. Yeah, you'd go in the chat rooms and everyone is just ripping on you. It really takes a toll. It really does. Yeah, it does. It definitely does. Do you feel like Hef knew the power that he had over the women? Or do you feel like he really thought that he was empowering? No. Like empowering all of the women around him. No, I think he knew the power he had. I think he liked to make excuses. And if anybody like gained anything out of becoming a playmate or being on the show, he's like, well, look at this.

And it's like, okay, but also, you know, you're not straightforward with even the women who are closest to you. So what is that? So when you girls started getting a lot of attention. from the show. He never got weird or jealous because he looked at you guys sort of as an extension of himself. Yeah. And we were always told we were replaceable. Like if we asked for more money and anything like that. And because you guys had to do your deals through Playboy. It wasn't directly with E. Yeah. And we weren't even under contract until the last season of the show. Oh, no way. Yeah. That's crazy to me. Yeah. It's wild. I think we probably signed like a basic on-camera release.

I'm sure we must have. Even though I don't specifically. remember it, but we definitely weren't under contract until the last season of the show. And I think only then, because E finally assumed that Playboy had us under some kind of contract and they didn't, and they freaked out and they were like, you need to like lock this down now. Well, I'm sure E was paying Playboy a ton of money too. Yeah. That's so crazy. So he quite literally would be like, I'm going to replace you if you don't do whatever I want you to do. Yeah. And they tried to and it just bombed. Oh, they did? Yeah, there was a season six after we left. I did not. Well, there you go. Yeah, I was obsessed with that show and I don't remember that. You're like, told you.

Yeah. How interesting. I did not realize that. And you're talking about like editing with looks and stuff like that. Would you say that the show was real or were there manipulated storylines? Like, what did filming look like for you guys? Definitely manipulated storylines. It was definitely trying to clean the whole thing up and present it as like, oh, here's this cute little grandpa and these three girls. And maybe they're doing stuff. Maybe not. You can decide for yourself, but it's all very, like, happy and sparkly and perfect. So that was definitely not real. They did try to follow us doing stuff we would really do in our day-to-day lives. That part was real. And then there were layers of, like, trying to make it look like people are jealous of other people or being mean to other people when we weren't. So that was annoying. Would they ever try to pit you, Bridget and Kendra against each other and create drama with the girls?

Like, you three specifically? Well, specifically me and Kendra. Like, it would be like, oh, Kendra's late and it would cut to me making a look that I wasn't really making in the moment. And that was rough. Like she was like the young, wild one. And you're like, I can't deal with her. And then you and Bridget are still really close, right? Do you still talk to Kendra? Or did you guys, have you not spoken in a couple years?

We haven't spoken in like 10 years. What happened? Why? Well, this happened like during the spinoff era because those contracts we had to sign in the last season also included that if we did spinoffs with E that it had to be done, with like Playboy getting a cut and the same producers as girls next door because they wanted to build that in. They didn't want any of us like getting free and like profiting without them. So the same guy who did Girls Next Door was also producing my spinoff and Kendra's spinoff.

And just as the years went on, he was getting really crazy with us as far as like trying to get us to do certain things and motivate us by making us jealous of each other. Like he would come to me and be like, okay, that's cute, all that stuff you're doing in Vegas. but, you know, Kendra's on the cover of all these magazines that people see when they're not in a Vegas hotel room. Or he would go back to Kendra and be like, you know what? We need plotline for your show. You're not doing anything, but Holly's making all this money out here. So why doesn't she come over and you ask her about what she's doing?

And then I'd come over and Kendra would be weird and I'd be like, what's going on? And it was just all this kind of stuff. And then I felt like there was a lot of, you know, Kendra was really wrapped up in like the tabloid cycle. So if she needed like a feud to be mentioned that week, she would say she was never friends with me. And I called her out on that over text. And that didn't go well. Well, she would just be like, I was never friends with Holly and Bridget. And then she would like, and like I understand sometimes a headline can be untrue.

So I wouldn't have freaked out of the headline. But like she like retweeted it. So I reached out to her. I go, oh, hey, what's this about? She goes, oh, don't worry, girl. That's nothing. I go, no, it's not nothing. Like I think you're being really fucking fake right now.

And then she freaked out. And we never spoke again. Oh, wow. So that was it. And that was 10 years ago. Actually, over it. It was 2012. Yeah, it was like 14 years ago. Oh my God. I forget. It's like 2026 already. And like no, never wanting to reach out and be like, this is so dumb. Like, let's just clear the air. Not until recently. And I don't know if I would reach out because she really seems to be like happy, not having anything to do with anything from the past. And I think that's great. But like I would not continue. you to hold a grudge at this point. Yeah. Yeah. No, that makes sense. And also just like recognizing

how much the producer played a role in that too. Well, that's the part that I hear and it pisses me off, honestly. Yeah. I mean, he started that whole thing. I think so. And it's crazy too that you guys had to use the same producer and that Playboy got a cut of both of your shows. Yeah. And not only that, but Bridget did a season of a show on the travel channel with that same producer. And because it was travel channel, that wasn't under like the jurisdiction of that e-contract. But I guess hef threw a fit to the producer and it's like, how can you take one of my girls and not cut me in? So he got like allegedly like a low-key cut from that show too. That is crazy to me. Yeah. I cannot believe that. When you saw the show and, you know,

obviously you film a whole season and you think you have an idea of what they're trying to get and what you filmed. But once you see it, I think sometimes it's a completely different story. When you finally saw the first season back. Was there anything that stood out that you were just like, what? That is what they decided to do there that just shocked you? Nothing super shocking. It was just like all the petty, like, let's make her roll her eyes. Let's make her jealous. Like they would bring this woman Barbie Benton, who was heft's girlfriend in the 70s back and try to make it look like I was so jealous. So I really, really tried to turn that on because they would bring her back every season. So I would really try to like go out there and like try to undercut their agenda. And anyway,

I could, like just be really conscientious of everything I'm saying in my confessional interview and really, you know, go put my best foot forward with that woman. Yeah. And Bridget and I were rewatching that. We were rewatching like the season four of like Barbie coming back for like the third time. And I was like, you know what? My favorite thing about this episode is I'm really proud of how I handled this because I knew what they wanted. And I'm just, I can see in all my confessional cuts, like I'm not budging.

I'm not giving them anything they could even twist or do anything with. Yeah, you were smart. I know that's the thing as it goes on, you sort of wise up. And you're like, I'm going to pull a fast one on you actually. Yeah. And it's hard. Like you have to dig your heels in and not even give them the nuance that they could run with. Did you ever say no to filming anything? Probably. I can't think of off the top of my head what that would be. But you weren't afraid to kind of like stand up for yourself and put your foot down if you needed to. I would say in the later seasons, I got a little stronger about what I wouldn't, wouldn't say for sure. Yeah. But it took a long time for me to get there.

I know. How would you say your overall experience with the girls next door was? You happy you did it? Oh, yeah. I can complain about little things a lot with that show, or my relationship with the producer. But overall, like compared to my, when you look at my entire story with Playboy, like, the show saved my life. Like, that gave me an out. That gave me an excuse to do other things because he wouldn't let us travel. He wouldn't let us do jobs outside of Playboy. But once we needed storylines for the show, he started to let us do that because he was. love the show so much. So the things I was allowed to do because of the show were really empowering and gave me the confidence to finally move on. I love that. And yeah, you talked about how you were afraid to leave the mansion. Yeah. So how did that kind of start then coming into play? Because it was a

little bit of a buildup, right, for you to finally decide to leave. What was the beginning of that process like? It was a lot of things. I think the first thing was, Huff and I were actually doing in vitro and trying to have a baby. And then that, I was told that was not working. Like the sperm wasn't viable, not working. So that was a big thing to me because I'd always wanted to be a mom. And that kind of like overrode any other decision I could make. So I really had to start thinking about that. But it was hard because I was so like emotionally and mentally just in this place of like, I have to make this relationship work. I think, you know, the first night I ever went upstairs affected me so much. And it had such a effect on me that it almost made me like, almost like a Stockholm

type of like, I need to go all in on this and like make something positive out of this because it was so bad. And I can't believe I made that decision. So it was hard to like extricate myself out of that thinking. Yeah. But I started to feel more and more empowered because I had this job at the studio producing the playmate photo shoots and I was having so much fun with them and my girlfriends. And I wanted to be able to go out with my girlfriends and go on girls trips and do all the things that I could never do throughout all of my 20s. So I would say the in vitro thing was the first thing and just feeling more and more depressed. And then Heth started getting really weird and grumpy toward like our last year together and just getting like extra mean. And looking back, I mean,

I talk about this on the podcast. So people like write in and comment and say like he might have been starting to get dementia. Because I think that's a early symptom of dementia as you start getting really mean over nothing. So this was kind of like the straw that was breaking the camel's back. And then I finally decided I'd had enough. What kind of stuff would you say to you? Because, I mean, in addition to him being mean, I think you've said that he was emotionally abusive, too, right? For sure. What would he say to you? Well, in the end, I remember specifically there were some things like I was talking to him about a photographer at the studio, wanted to work more in the video department.

And we were kind of discussing that. And I was like, well, I could help a little bit here. And he just got really loud at the dinner table in front of everybody. He was like, you think you could do that? How stupid. And just, like, embarrassing me and like telling me how stupid I am. and how can I think I can do that? And that was super humiliating and embarrassing.

And then there was this time when I had to coordinate five different centerfold shoots in the same week, which is like not the pace we usually do things out at all. So I was like really proud of myself, like putting this all together because we were doing it for the show. We were doing a contest of like these five women are centerfolds and one is going to be picked to be like this special and this special issue. And then at the last minute after I had everything in place and we're like in the midst of it. And Huff walks in, he's like, well, we have to film this thing with Kendra, so you need to, like, switch all of that. And I was like, I just kind of rolled my eyes and was like, okay, we always have to switch stuff for her. And he flipped out on me, called me a cunt.

I was like, what the fuck? Like, I'm like running your shit at the studio over here and, like, doing a good job. And this is what I get. Wow. No, that's crazy. Yeah. And then you got demoted from girlfriend, number one, right before you moved out? No, I left.

But what I did was I broke up with him, but I moved down the hall just so I could finish, like, filming the scenes I needed to do for the show and pack up my stuff and kind of like buying myself a little bit of time because I was so ingrained there in every way. I didn't, I wasn't one of those girls who like had a secret apartment off to the side that I could go to. Like I really, some girls had some girls did. I really had to like get my shit together though. So I just like was like, okay, can I like stay in bedroom five? And he let you. Yeah, well, he wasn't really taking it seriously that I wanted to leave. He kept trying to get me back. He would like leave his will out on the bed on my side so I could see how much money was going to be left for me.

when, you know, if I stayed. Trying to entice you to stay. Yeah. Or after Kendra and I announced we were leaving, it was like a big trend for like tabloidy outlets to write like, oh, these girls just aren't going to be famous anymore. We talked to this photographer who said they'd never shoot them. So Huff would like get like all this stuff like printed out because he had like a clipping service every morning. He'd go down anything in the news about him or the girls he'd see. So anything derogatory about me leaving, he would like leave out.

So I would see. Like I think hoping I would change my mind like, oh my God. God, I can't be irrelevant. I must stay. Yeah, like your life is going to be over. Yeah, it was so weird. Was there any part of you that felt like, yeah, maybe if I do leave, like my career is over? Like, were you nervous at all? I was very nervous. I knew I was going to have to go into survival mode right away. I knew I wasn't going to be able to take a moment to breathe. I knew I could probably have a chance at not having anything. There were no guarantees outside of there. Because the whole time we were on the show, we weren't really allowed to work with any outside PR or agents or anything like that. So that was a huge possibility, but I just had to do it because when I'm done with something emotionally, I'm really done.

Yeah. Like once I decide I'm done, like there's nothing left. No turning back. So it's move out day. How is half? How are the girls? Are they seeing you off? Are they like, good luck out there in the real world?

Or were they kind of just like, bye, get out of here? Well, the three of us had all kind of like fallen apart at the same time. Like Kendred already met the man she would go on to Mary. and she was planning a spinoff. Everybody knew she was leaving. Bridget was leaving to shoot her travel show. I don't know if she'd, you know, we talk about it today and she still feels like she didn't really have a chance to like negotiate her exit.

It was just she was kind of swept up and everybody else leaving. But she at least had physically left to do the show. And yeah, it was really awkward. It was awkward, you know, going back to the dinners. Like for a while, I would still show up to dinner as I was living there. but I felt weird. I felt like all his friends were looking at me weird now. And I realized, you know what?

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How was he? Was he supportive at the end there then? No, it always was always trying to. to like get me to come back or guilt trip me into staying. And it just got to the point where I just didn't want to talk to him anymore. And I'm like, I just have to tiptoe out of here in the easiest way I can. Did he contact you after you left? Yeah, he would always stay in touch, which didn't seem weird because he was always very good about staying in touch with most of his exes. Like they would still come up to parties and things like that. And we were still involved via the show because like I said,

the producer of girls next door would produce my spinoff. So there would be like crossover moments that we film and he would send me letters if he was ever like approving or disapproving of anything I was doing. And we'd send it to the other girls too. In fact, like Bridget was going through her old scrapbook stuff for our podcast. And she found she's like, oh my God, this is so creepy. I have a letter from half I never opened. Oh, wow. Yeah.

So she opened it. And it said something about him being disapproving of like, oh, I would love to come to your housewarming party. But it's very difficult for me because you've been so derogatory toward my new girlfriends in the press. And I don't even think she really had been. I think it was just like, Girls Nextdoor season six had come out at the time. And instead of doing any unique ideas, they were just kind of like using old ideas that we'd given in pitch meetings but hadn't got around to. And I think we had said something in the media about that.

I don't know exactly what Bridget said, but like I know I had said something like, oh, somebody asked me about the season. I go, I think it would be better if they focused like on the new girls and like what made them unique rather than like rehashing our old plot lines. Yeah. But even something tiny like that, Huff would take such offense at that. because he was used to like the cult-like fawning that everybody in his community does so they can like stay on the party list and still get all this stuff. And so even like the tiniest things would be offensive to him. And it just was like, why am I even bothering? Yeah. And you just hold him over your head. So move out day, where did you go? What did you have your new place? How did you find your new place? What did

life look like those first couple of months? Before I had broken up with half, I had. had just put a down payment on an investment condo in Santa Monica. And it happened to be close to the studio. That was one of the reasons I picked it. I thought I was going to continue working at the Playboy Studio. And it's just kind of that pride of ownership of like, oh, I have that one down the street. But I was like, shit, I have to move into this place. But I didn't even end up staying there because I bounced straight into like a really toxic relationship in Vegas. Because I'd been going out to Vegas for months before because I was supposed to do a show at MGM. And I was interviewing for that and I met this guy out there. And he was really like insisting I move in with him right away,

which I knew wasn't a good idea, but I was like, well, I am moving to Vegas anyway. So kind of like rationalized it. So I went straight into that relationship, which was a nightmare. And it mirrored a lot of the similar dynamics from Heft's relationship. But luckily, I was in and out of that within four months. And then I got dancing with the stars right after that. And I'd wanted to do dancing with the stars so bad. And they'd always said no to me because they're like, I don't know. I don't know if middle America's going to love a girl who's dating an 80-year-old. But I was so persistent that they had somebody in season eight get injured. And they were like, who's desperate enough to come in last minute? I know. So they called me. I was so excited to do it. I was so excited. You did dancing with stars too, right? Oh, my God. Yeah. It's so fun. Yeah. It's so fun. Yeah. It's so fun. Yeah. I was so fun. It's so fun. That was one of the big reasons I wanted to do. It is a great reason. I wanted to do. I was only there a month, like four weeks. I was one of the big reasons I wanted to do. do it. I love the costumes. And as I was on the show, I booked a deal to do the show I ended up doing in Vegas. So I was able to like announce it on Dancing with the Stars, which is huge because

I had such a big audience back then. So it was just like this amazing chain of events. And I was able to get back on my feet and started doing my own spinoff show. And it was just such a great fun era for me. And I feel really lucky that I was able to do that and able to turn the exposure I had from girls next door into something because it was definitely not guaranteed. Like I had no support from that end. No. So that's amazing, honestly, how everything just started clicking for you. Yeah. And I know you said you met your ex that you dated for four months pretty immediately. Yeah. Was he the first guy that you dated? Or did you go on a few dates? Were you nervous to date right away? Were you excited? Were you like, finally someone my age that I'm attracted to?

Yeah. Well, he was, I didn't date between half and him. I went straight to him. And then when we broke up, I was a little bit nervous to like get back on the scene. Because I'm like, what if, you know, how are guys going to react to me, you know, being that I've had such a weird public relationship. But I didn't need to be scared. It was fine. Everything was like I had like three or four years. I was single before I met my ex-husband who I went on to be married to and was with for like seven years. And that's who you have your two kids with. Yes. Yeah. Yep. And you have a boy and girl. Yeah, a 13 year old girl and a nine-year-old boy. That's so fun. And so you guys are, you're both back and forth between L.A. and Vegas. Yeah. So it seems like you guys have a pretty good co-parenting.

relationship? Yes, it's very hectic, but he's an amazing dad. So it works out. People ask me for co-parenting advice all the time. And I'm like, sadly, I don't have any because I'm lucky enough to just have somebody else who wants what's best for the kids. And I feel so bad when people have to deal with somebody who doesn't want that or wants to use the kids as like a bargaining tool. Yeah. So sadly, I don't have any advice because I'm just lucky. But no, that's great. Yeah. And your kids know about your Playboy past, I'm assuming? They're a little bit older now. My daughter knows something, but she'll kind of tease me about it in a way that she thinks is funny. So that's very much a relief to me because I would hate for somebody to bring it up to her and have it be something that she needs to feel bad about.

Right. So so far, so good. I think they're too young to know any of the gritty details. But obviously I've been very public about everything. So I would always frame it in a way of like, what can they learn from this. Yeah, exactly. Well, you sit her down as she gets a little bit older and have a real conversation with her? Or do you feel like maybe her just sort of hearing rumblings of it out in the real world is okay? I think at some point there will probably be an in-depth conversation, but it's very much something I'm going to have to play by ear because I just feel like that's the way it is with parenting.

Like you can read all the books you want. Like people always ask me like, how are you going to tell your kids about this? I'm like, I don't know because every phase is like a new phase and you forget about the last phase. Like I couldn't tell you what the milestones of like a baby to a one-year-old are now. They were so important at the time, but then you're so in, all in on what the next phase is that you forget about it. And also like, as you know, I don't know. I kind of like expected my kids to be a certain way because of the way I am, which I don't know why because I'm nothing like my parents. But you're watching these souls just like emerge year after year and you're learning who they are.

And it's so interesting. So everything about parenting is play it by ear. matter how prepared you try to be. Totally. To be continued. And they're so different too, right? That like even if you think with your first, you're like, cool, I've got the parenting thing down. It's like, well, not for the second because they're completely different people. So different. Yeah, I know. Parenting is a wild ride. Well, after you got a divorce, you met Zach, who you dated on and off for five, six years? Six years. Six years. Six years. That was a nightmare. Well, right. And so you openly said that he cheated on you. Oh my God. It was so bad.

How did you find out? He cheated on me with 12 different. people at least those are the only ones I know of that had like solid receipts so I'm sure there's so many more but we had already broken up so I'm very grateful that I found all this out once I was no longer emotionally invested because I think it would have been a lot more devastating had I like found it out like in the midst of the relationship but I had broken up with him and then I'd gone out to dinner with my friends and I hopped in an Uber home and I have this amazing driver she was super chatty and she's like oh I recognize you you're the first person I've recognized in my car except I did have this girl in my car who was saying she was getting dropped off at the guy's house from

ghost hunters. And his show isn't called ghost hunters. It's called something else. But I knew who she meant. And I was like, oh, really? How long ago was this? And she goes, oh, it was da-da-da. She gave me the dates. And she's like, and here, like, his neighborhood was really nice. So I took a video of it. So she shows me like the video of like his street. So I know she's not lying. So I texted him and I'm like, fuck you. I found all this out. And then I was just in a mood. And there was a mood. And there was trend on TikTok at the time where it's like, I forget how it went, but it was like, my fantasy is this. And I was like, my fantasy is every girl, my most recent ex is cheated on me with just tells me what's up in the comments. Yes. And then they start weighing in. I start connecting

with these people. And the 12, I mean, there were more people than 12 that reached out, but the 12 I'm counting had very solid receipts. So this was just insanity. Like this guy has a dating app addiction. Like, it's a problem. So he was meeting these girls on dating apps. dating apps and in his DMs, just people who are like fans of his show and stuff. Or people, he has like a haunted museum in Vegas and people would come to the museum who are fans. He meets him there. So he's hooking up with fans. Yeah, he has like a house next door to the museum. He takes people to it. So no. So this was going on your whole relationship? Pretty much. Like I have yet to hear from somebody who was with him in like our first year and a half. So there might have been like a

monogamous stretch maybe, but nightmare. Oh. So what did you think when all these women were coming forward. It's very hurtful, but like I said, I was at least out of the relationship and not like emotionally attached. But I think the most hurtful part was not necessarily him cheating. Like, obviously, that's a deal breaker. But he would talk shit about me to some of these women. And I'm like, that's really disgusting. That's where like you lose all sympathy from me. I have no good memories of you ever. You're disgusting. Yeah, you're dead to me now. Yeah. Yeah. You're just an asshole at this point. Yeah. Oh, I hate that. What type of guys would you say you attracted in the past?

Was there a common theme with these men? The bad ones, and not all of them were bad, but like the bad ones were like super narcissistic. I think I'm attracted to people who are like really successful, creative, create their own worlds. But some of those guys can also be like so full of themselves. And when they create their own worlds, it's not necessarily about creativity or their business. It's about truly their whole world and they want to control everyone around them. Yeah. Did you find that they were controlling of you too, some of these guys?

like Zach, for example, was he controlling? He actually was not. See, I had gone through like all these guys and thought I had learned my lesson. And he was always like super supportive of like anything I wanted to do career wise. He was always very complimentary, never said anything negative to me. Because those were my deal breakers. Like I didn't want anybody who was verbally abusive. So like at the first sign of that, I'm out.

I didn't want anybody who like tried to control where I would go and who I would go with. Right. Like coming from the playboy mansion, those were deal breakers for you. Yeah. So first sign of that out. And it's almost like he magically knew what my deal breakers were and was the opposite of that, but then was like crazy cheating behind my back. So wild. Yeah. What do you have any other non-negotiables moving forward? Like, what do you look for now, the guy? I have like a short list of things I want. I want somebody who's a good person, obviously, and super in love with me. And even though that's the most important thing, it's the last thing we learn about somebody. Right. You know, because you really have to know somebody for a while to even know that.

I want somebody who lives in Vegas because I don't want to move. And he has to be. And he has to be. like really ambitious and motivated and successful and somebody who like inspires me because I'm that way. Yeah, I love that. And I think you've said that moving forward you want to keep your dating life private. Is that right? Not necessarily permanently, but I think in the beginning, like I just started seeing this guy like a couple like less than two months ago. And like I would not like blast him because it's just so nice to get to know somebody without the internet weighing in. I know. Is he in the public eye or is he a normal? Not really. Not really. Great. Is that, do you care about that? No, not at all. Yeah, either way. You're like, whatever. What's different about him maybe than some of the guys you've dated in the past? I'm still waiting for the other shoe to drop because so far everything's good. So I'm like, okay, what's the catch? So we'll see.

Maybe he's very like, that. That's true. So far, like, he's very respectful and very, like, cool around all my friends. They all like him. I think friends are always a good indication in the beginning. Yeah, they do. And hasn't met. Oh, my. my friends yet. And he's very good at like making plans and being clear about plans. If he needs to cancel for whatever reason, he does it a long time in advance. Like very like I love that. I hate, I hate not knowing, you know, somebody's schedule or not playing it by ear to the last minute. Like, fuck that. It means you're cheating. It means you're trying to see who can come over the fastest. Yeah, no. Literally. Yeah. We love communication. Yeah. We don't require a lot. That's not for that hard. What does happiness look like to you today? Oh my God. You know, I've been. I've been, you know, I've

been really happy lately. I was just telling one of my friends, like, I feel like I'm out of fight or flight for the first time in my adult life. I think part of it is, like, my new podcast I'm working on where I'm interviewing people. It's called You Wish and I love it. So much fun. And, you know, just where I'm at with like my family and friends and, you know. You got a new guy in your life. Yeah. Everything's clicking. Good. I love that. Okay. Tell me about the new podcast. So you just, you just launched it. Yeah. As we're recording, it came out a day ago. It's called You Wish. And I just interview people I'm fascinated with. And I try to bend the interview with a slant toward like manifestation, reinvention, pivoting, like anything from that person's life and creativity that the

viewer can have a takeaway from. Yeah. Will you ever do solo episodes or will it always be a guest? Probably always a guest. I don't know if I really have it in me to do a solo episode. Like I admire people like you and who can do it. I think if I didn't have a guest, it would probably be more like a regular co-host where you talk about like hot topics or something. I'm loving doing the guest things so far. I think you would kill a solo episode. Really? Yeah, I do.

I would listen to it. I think, yeah, no, I think you would be great at a solo. You know what? I think I run out of Steam because I have like the rewatch podcast with Bridget. Then we have a Patreon, which I have to funnel a lot of my personal step into. So I think it's like, oh, what do I talk about now that I haven't already like bled about on TikTok or whatever? What made you want to do another podcast?

Just because I knew like Girls Next Level was coming to an end because eventually we'll run out of episodes. We saw like another year and a half. But, and I do love podcasting so much. And then I just started thinking about how fun would it be to sit down with people that I'm inspired by or people I think are interesting. And so far, I'm loving it so much. Who's your dream guest? Oh, like Anne Margaret. I would love to interview her. Yeah. I love. I love it. Yeah. Oh, I'm sure he would come on, right? Well, he's like in Florida now and I probably have to like, I don't know. Got all lure him in somehow. Yeah. I'm excited for you.

Thank you so much. All right. I want to play a game with you. Yeah. Okay. It's hot or not, but it's the Playboy edition, of course. So I'm just going to give you something in the Playboy world. You just tell me if you think it's hot or not. Okay, the Playboy bunny costume. Hot. I love it so much. I have three of my own. I just think they're so iconic. And when I was there, it was like such an honor to get to wear one because they only had so many that were like official, like perfectly like custom made bunny costumes, not like the cheap ones you could buy online now. Right. And you weren't supposed to keep them. But, you know, because I had a little nepotism on my side, I got to. keep mine. So I love that. Definitely hot. Yeah. Oh, that's very cool. Okay, the midsummer night's dream party. Hot. It was the first party I ever went to and it was such a cool party at the time. Like, I know that was like a little bit before your time, but those were like, like in 2000 when I went to my first one, those were like the cool exclusive parties in L.A. to get to go to. Oh, I remember hearing about them. Yeah. They were a big deal. Very cool. Okay. The grotto. That could go either way. Like as a structure, I think it's so cool and creative and beautiful. But after a long night,

you probably want to avoid. So gross to me. Like, people literally are just in there having sex all night. Yeah, which I wouldn't really see too much of. I would hear about it because this would be going on mostly like after Huff and us were already done with the party. This would be like a late night thing. And I always tell this because people are surprised to hear it. But people would be very well behaved at the parties in front of HF because they always want to be invited back. So you wouldn't really see like the debauchery over by our table or early on in the night. You just hear about it later. Oh, that's interesting. That makes sense. Wow. Okay, have scrapbooks. Oh, I'm going to say not right now because there's a huge controversy where like he has all these nudes of like all kinds

of women who've gone upstairs and who's taking pictures on this digital camera. They don't know they're in there with their names and the caption. So there's like this whole battle going on right now to like not have those scrapbooks digitized and not have them put in the public library. You know, it's like a a lot of revenge porn on ice. So I would say not. Okay. Yeah, good answer. The Girls Next Door theme song. Do you remember it? Do I remember it? You're like it's a grain in my mind. Totally. Yeah. It's not like my favorite thing because it's kind of jarring when I hear it sometimes. It's like, but I mean, people seem to love it and it's kind of a cute take on a classic song applied to the show. So I'd give it a hot even though for me when I hear it, it's kind of like a knot. I don't know why because it's not like I hate the show.

But for some reason hearing that, I'm just like, eh. No, I know. Or they'll play, like, a different version of it on at Carbone. It's on their playlist. And I always get, like, a little bit embarrassed when it comes on. I'm like, I hope nobody's looking at me and thinking this is my song. Nobody is. But it puts you back to that time.

Yes. Yeah. Actors hitting on playmates and or girlfriends at the playboy parties. Did that happen a lot? It happened a lot. I would say, as long as it's not a creep, if it's somebody the girl likes back hot. Because it's exciting at the time when you're, like, young and you're new to hop. Hollywood and some like really good looking actor like once to like reach out and hold your hand or

whatever they want to do. And it's just like if you were a girlfriend, how would that go down with Huff? Like it obviously had to be kind of on the DL. Nobody would do it because we were all had to be like at his table or like dancing around him. So unless a girl was like sneaking off on the side and they weren't aware, nobody would do that. But yeah. But the playmates though. Oh yeah. They were meeting like cute actors all the time. Yeah. Okay, girls trips. Because you guys had to do them on girls next door. right. Obsessed. Like more than hot. Like hot times 100. Like I love a girl's trip. I love a girl's day. Like those are my favorite memories from girls next door is when we got to go on just a girl's trip. It's my favorite thing. That's so fun. You guys would go to Vegas a lot, right? Yeah. Yeah. We would go to Vegas or like the

Madonna Inn or like snowboarding or something. So fun. Yeah. That's so fun. Well, Holly, you're the best. This was so much fun. Thank you so much. You have to come on my pod. Like next time you're in Vegas. I will let you know when I'm in Vegas. And yeah, okay. So your pod comes out every Tuesday. No, Thursday. Thursday. Okay. You're a Thursday. Thursday. Girl. It's called You Wish. Yes. And then your podcast with Bridget, when can people listen to that? It's called Girls Next Level. Everywhere you get your podcast and it comes out Monday morning. Amazing. Please note that this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.